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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 8, 2020 12:05:48 GMT -6
I don't consider $3.5 million a hometown discount. He's worth 3 max. Typical bowman overpaying and unwilling to move on from a Cup winner... Typical Bowman would've be a 2yr contract at 5mill per, 3.5 is almost half of his last Cap hit, I consider that a hometown discount considering he'd get more as a UFA. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 8, 2020 15:39:52 GMT -6
If one thinks that paying Crow as the #1 for 3.5 maybe we can think of him as also the coach/mentor for Lankinen and Tomkins with Delia in the wings. Not sure they are signing Subban.
They need to consider still having to sign Kubalik, decide if they need a gritty guy like Caligula and also Strome.
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Post by BigT on Sept 8, 2020 18:20:04 GMT -6
If one thinks that paying Crow as the #1 for 3.5 maybe we can think of him as also the coach/mentor for Lankinen and Tomkins with Delia in the wings. Not sure they are signing Subban. They need to consider still having to sign Kubalik, decide if they need a gritty guy like Caligula and also Strome. I still believe in Subban. Goalies don’t usually come around till their 26/27 ish. He’s 26 now, I think it’s be foolish to think he’s a bust at this point. He’s 6’2” 215. Good size and was picked in the first round. I could see him emerging very soon as a legit number one. Crawford didn’t get a real start till he was 24/25 and he was great by 26. So I think we should give Subban at least another year!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 23:36:05 GMT -6
I don't consider $3.5 million a hometown discount. He's worth 3 max. Typical bowman overpaying and unwilling to move on from a Cup winner... Maybe it's the "cup winner" part.......Ward got 3M for cryin' out loud. Pretty sure ever since 2010 that's been a key factor in his contracts. The length, NMC's, money and re-acquisitions. If they won one of the Cups, they were rewarded greatly in one way or another, or several ways |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 23:43:10 GMT -6
I don't consider $3.5 million a hometown discount. He's worth 3 max. Typical bowman overpaying and unwilling to move on from a Cup winner... Typical Bowman would've be a 2yr contract at 5mill per, 3.5 is almost half of his last Cap hit, I consider that a hometown discount considering he'd get more as a UFA. I honestly am not sure he'd get more than that as a UFA. It's a pretty strong goalie class. He'll turn 36 two months into the season (assuming they start on time). He hasn't been great in three years or so. He has had injury issues of various kinds the last three years. At this point... Holtby/Markstrom/Khudobin/Lehner will all get more than him and be sought after more. So after those top 4 are gone, Crow falls into a group with Howard/Greiss/Anderson/Talbot IMHO If he will take 2.5-3M per I might be ok with that. If not, I'd personally be fine going with a combo of Subban and Greiss/Howard/Talbot. Like Big-T, I still have high hopes for Subban. The guy was very highly regarded in his draft and has talent, he just has been very young his entire NHL career with minimal time in the minors. I also believe he's the kind that needs to play most games and get into a rhythm which is impossible to do behind Rask in Boston and Fleury in Vegas. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 9, 2020 8:06:28 GMT -6
Typical Bowman would've be a 2yr contract at 5mill per, 3.5 is almost half of his last Cap hit, I consider that a hometown discount considering he'd get more as a UFA. I honestly am not sure he'd get more than that as a UFA. It's a pretty strong goalie class. He'll turn 36 two months into the season (assuming they start on time). He hasn't been great in three years or so. He has had injury issues of various kinds the last three years. At this point... Holtby/Markstrom/Khudobin/Lehner will all get more than him and be sought after more. So after those top 4 are gone, Crow falls into a group with Howard/Greiss/Anderson/Talbot IMHO If he will take 2.5-3M per I might be ok with that. If not, I'd personally be fine going with a combo of Subban and Greiss/Howard/Talbot. Like Big-T, I still have high hopes for Subban. The guy was very highly regarded in his draft and has talent, he just has been very young his entire NHL career with minimal time in the minors. I also believe he's the kind that needs to play most games and get into a rhythm which is impossible to do behind Rask in Boston and Fleury in Vegas. Other than concussions from gettin blasted through the back of his net,name the other "various" injuries. Hint......there weren't any,if his pussified team could keep him clean,he woulda had three real good years IMO. Crawford is head and shoulders above the 2nd group of tenders you mentioned and of course you'd rather have Greiss because also like T....you've never liked Crawford. I remember. Suban has also shown next to nothing at this point of his career. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 9, 2020 8:53:10 GMT -6
If one thinks that paying Crow as the #1 for 3.5 maybe we can think of him as also the coach/mentor for Lankinen and Tomkins with Delia in the wings. Not sure they are signing Subban. They need to consider still having to sign Kubalik, decide if they need a gritty guy like Caligula and also Strome. The cap is what worries me at this point...I think we have something like 7M and change free at this point. Unless they jettison cap they might not have enough to keep Koob and the other pieces they need--and that's without Crawford: If we moved forward with Lankinen and Delia (which would be dumb), that's almost 2M right there and leave the 'hawks with about 5M free. How much would Koob command? I'd think ~4M (anything less and he's offersheeted in my opinion). That leaves ~1M for Strome if they decide to keep him. Maybe 1.5M max. I think that's a lowball. The "good" thing is that we have too many mid-tier D-men. We can jettison one of them. Plus there's Seabrook and Shaw. I'm hoping we can move someone for cap relief. Either way though, I think if they can add a year for Crawford and keep the cap hit down, do so. If 1y is 3.5M, see if we can't get 1.75-2M for 2y Plus, that gives us a little more breathing room. As it stands now Tomkins, Delia, Lankinen, and Subban have proved all of jack and shit. Getting them to the point of being proven will be more than a 1-year deal--especially with the team D that we are icing and will be icing for the foreseeable future. The NHL ice is paved with overhyped players with little NHL experience that fell flat when given the keys to the kingdom. If we can get Crawford (or a goalie like him) tucked in for 2-3 years at a cheap rate and the 'hawks can do an effective transition. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 12:08:19 GMT -6
I honestly am not sure he'd get more than that as a UFA. It's a pretty strong goalie class. He'll turn 36 two months into the season (assuming they start on time). He hasn't been great in three years or so. He has had injury issues of various kinds the last three years. At this point... Holtby/Markstrom/Khudobin/Lehner will all get more than him and be sought after more. So after those top 4 are gone, Crow falls into a group with Howard/Greiss/Anderson/Talbot IMHO If he will take 2.5-3M per I might be ok with that. If not, I'd personally be fine going with a combo of Subban and Greiss/Howard/Talbot. Like Big-T, I still have high hopes for Subban. The guy was very highly regarded in his draft and has talent, he just has been very young his entire NHL career with minimal time in the minors. I also believe he's the kind that needs to play most games and get into a rhythm which is impossible to do behind Rask in Boston and Fleury in Vegas. Other than concussions from gettin blasted through the back of his net,name the other "various" injuries. Hint......there weren't any,if his pussified team could keep him clean,he woulda had three real good years IMO. Crawford is head and shoulders above the 2nd group of tenders you mentioned and of course you'd rather have Greiss because also like T....you've never liked Crawford. I remember. Suban has also shown next to nothing at this point of his career. 1) there was the mysterious absence where the rumors were he fell down stairs at a concert and suffered an injury (whatever happened it was not concussion related or the team would have just said that, but instead they were overly mysterious and hid it from everyone) 2) the same pussified team is here only crawford is much older now... so we go back to the same debate we've had for years... do you spend decent/big on goaltending to cover up for the pussies in front of him or make the pussies in front stronger so they can help the goalies? In these playoffs alone I feel 2 of the 4 remaining teams have sub-par goalies (Dallas/Islanders) but are so good in front of them they are making those netminders look very good. I'd like to see the Blackhawks be like them 3) I'd rather have a Greiss if the money is less, absolutely. I am consistent in my stances of not wanting to pay much for goaltending. Don't think I have changed this in all the years you've known me. 4) Subban has shown next to nothing in limited opportunities, which is what you get being backup to 2 of the bes goalies in the league. Crawford also had shown nothing to this point. Through their age 26 seasons, Crawford had 4 more career wins but had one season as starter under his belt, Subban has had none so far. I stand by my belief he needs to play 50+ games and go with it. For as bad as people think he is, he still has a GAA under 3.00. And, again, Crawford's first full year he was playing behind a team that had just won the Cup. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 9, 2020 12:59:28 GMT -6
Other than concussions from gettin blasted through the back of his net,name the other "various" injuries. Hint......there weren't any,if his pussified team could keep him clean,he woulda had three real good years IMO. Crawford is head and shoulders above the 2nd group of tenders you mentioned and of course you'd rather have Greiss because also like T....you've never liked Crawford. I remember. Suban has also shown next to nothing at this point of his career. 1) there was the mysterious absence where the rumors were he fell down stairs at a concert and suffered an injury (whatever happened it was not concussion related or the team would have just said that, but instead they were overly mysterious and hid it from everyone) 2) the same pussified team is here only crawford is much older now... so we go back to the same debate we've had for years... do you spend decent/big on goaltending to cover up for the pussies in front of him or make the pussies in front stronger so they can help the goalies? In these playoffs alone I feel 2 of the 4 remaining teams have sub-par goalies (Dallas/Islanders) but are so good in front of them they are making those netminders look very good. I'd like to see the Blackhawks be like them 3) I'd rather have a Greiss if the money is less, absolutely. I am consistent in my stances of not wanting to pay much for goaltending. Don't think I have changed this in all the years you've known me. 4) Subban has shown next to nothing in limited opportunities, which is what you get being backup to 2 of the bes goalies in the league. Crawford also had shown nothing to this point. Through their age 26 seasons, Crawford had 4 more career wins but had one season as starter under his belt, Subban has had none so far. I stand by my belief he needs to play 50+ games and go with it. For as bad as people think he is, he still has a GAA under 3.00. And, again, Crawford's first full year he was playing behind a team that had just won the Cup. Fair enough merp but CC's fall at the house of blues was really the only other time he's missed games besides the concussions. Greiss had basically the same numbers as CC this year on a MUCH better defensive team,I'd personally take CC for the same money. The timid play of our D had me thinking CC would opt for a bigger,tougher team to protect him better but he seems to want to stay. Am I off base in recalling you never being much of a CC fan? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 22:28:14 GMT -6
1) there was the mysterious absence where the rumors were he fell down stairs at a concert and suffered an injury (whatever happened it was not concussion related or the team would have just said that, but instead they were overly mysterious and hid it from everyone) 2) the same pussified team is here only crawford is much older now... so we go back to the same debate we've had for years... do you spend decent/big on goaltending to cover up for the pussies in front of him or make the pussies in front stronger so they can help the goalies? In these playoffs alone I feel 2 of the 4 remaining teams have sub-par goalies (Dallas/Islanders) but are so good in front of them they are making those netminders look very good. I'd like to see the Blackhawks be like them 3) I'd rather have a Greiss if the money is less, absolutely. I am consistent in my stances of not wanting to pay much for goaltending. Don't think I have changed this in all the years you've known me. 4) Subban has shown next to nothing in limited opportunities, which is what you get being backup to 2 of the bes goalies in the league. Crawford also had shown nothing to this point. Through their age 26 seasons, Crawford had 4 more career wins but had one season as starter under his belt, Subban has had none so far. I stand by my belief he needs to play 50+ games and go with it. For as bad as people think he is, he still has a GAA under 3.00. And, again, Crawford's first full year he was playing behind a team that had just won the Cup. Am I off base in recalling you never being much of a CC fan? No you're not. Though let me say I respect him and appreciate what he has done for the franchise. He's the goalie on 2 Cup winning teams. I also have a lot of respect for Niemi. I don't have anything personally against Crawford, I did think he was a step down from the elite netminders over the last 6-7 years. I said numerous times on the last board that he was Chris Osgood to me which is more a compliment than a criticism. Osgood was a good-very good goalie who won big when it mattered most. Was he on Hasek's level? No. (maybe bad example, very few ever were) Again, most of my issues with Crawford simply stem from my goalie philosophy (and that can certainly be debated) that you don't need to pay big for goaltending to have success in today's NHL. You used to, no doubt, but this game is SOOOOO steered to goal-scoring that it doesn't pay to. Score more goals and put on the ice a strong defense that limits SOG and prime scoring chances and you can win. This is why rookies like Jordan Binnington and Matt Murray can win Cups, or Niemi... or a rookie like Cam Ward or journeyman like Tim Thomas (though he had a nice few years there for Boston). And why Price/Lundqvist and some other "elite" guys have not won one. After this postseason, Lehner is going to be considered among the 5-10 best G in the world and I was not very impressed by him in Chicago. That's how I view goalies lol. |
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Post by nighbor on Sept 9, 2020 23:45:59 GMT -6
If one thinks that paying Crow as the #1 for 3.5 maybe we can think of him as also the coach/mentor for Lankinen and Tomkins with Delia in the wings. Not sure they are signing Subban. They need to consider still having to sign Kubalik, decide if they need a gritty guy like Caligula and also Strome. The cap is what worries me at this point...I think we have something like 7M and change free at this point. Unless they jettison cap they might not have enough to keep Koob and the other pieces they need--and that's without Crawford: If we moved forward with Lankinen and Delia (which would be dumb), that's almost 2M right there and leave the 'hawks with about 5M free. How much would Koob command? I'd think ~4M (anything less and he's offersheeted in my opinion). That leaves ~1M for Strome if they decide to keep him. Maybe 1.5M max. I think that's a lowball. The "good" thing is that we have too many mid-tier D-men. We can jettison one of them. Plus there's Seabrook and Shaw. I'm hoping we can move someone for cap relief. Either way though, I think if they can add a year for Crawford and keep the cap hit down, do so. If 1y is 3.5M, see if we can't get 1.75-2M for 2y Plus, that gives us a little more breathing room. As it stands now Tomkins, Delia, Lankinen, and Subban have proved all of jack and shit. Getting them to the point of being proven will be more than a 1-year deal--especially with the team D that we are icing and will be icing for the foreseeable future. The NHL ice is paved with overhyped players with little NHL experience that fell flat when given the keys to the kingdom. If we can get Crawford (or a goalie like him) tucked in for 2-3 years at a cheap rate and the 'hawks can do an effective transition. Nalimov still belongs to the Hawks and may come to North America this season. Lankinen has no NHL experience but was having a good season until shoulder surgery ended it. He played and won back to back games against the best from Russia and Canada. Finland has a reputation for producing quality NHL goalies. Niemi and Crawford were nothing until they were given a chance. Tony O and Ken Dryden also came out of nowhere to have great seasons. I believe Seabrook will come back strong and end up being a 3 or 4 D. When he came back from the shutdown he looked great. He was the one who decided not to play in the qualifying round. After hearing Seabrook's story from a bad shoulder in juniors to hip injuries most men would have called it quits many seasons ago. I cannot imagine myself walking let alone play hockey. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 10, 2020 9:08:52 GMT -6
The cap is what worries me at this point...I think we have something like 7M and change free at this point. Unless they jettison cap they might not have enough to keep Koob and the other pieces they need--and that's without Crawford: If we moved forward with Lankinen and Delia (which would be dumb), that's almost 2M right there and leave the 'hawks with about 5M free. How much would Koob command? I'd think ~4M (anything less and he's offersheeted in my opinion). That leaves ~1M for Strome if they decide to keep him. Maybe 1.5M max. I think that's a lowball. The "good" thing is that we have too many mid-tier D-men. We can jettison one of them. Plus there's Seabrook and Shaw. I'm hoping we can move someone for cap relief. Either way though, I think if they can add a year for Crawford and keep the cap hit down, do so. If 1y is 3.5M, see if we can't get 1.75-2M for 2y Plus, that gives us a little more breathing room. As it stands now Tomkins, Delia, Lankinen, and Subban have proved all of jack and shit. Getting them to the point of being proven will be more than a 1-year deal--especially with the team D that we are icing and will be icing for the foreseeable future. The NHL ice is paved with overhyped players with little NHL experience that fell flat when given the keys to the kingdom. If we can get Crawford (or a goalie like him) tucked in for 2-3 years at a cheap rate and the 'hawks can do an effective transition. Nalimov still belongs to the Hawks and may come to North America this season. Lankinen has no NHL experience but was having a good season until shoulder surgery ended it. He played and won back to back games against the best from Russia and Canada. Finland has a reputation for producing quality NHL goalies. Niemi and Crawford were nothing until they were given a chance. Tony O and Ken Dryden also came out of nowhere to have great seasons. I believe Seabrook will come back strong and end up being a 3 or 4 D. When he came back from the shutdown he looked great. He was the one who decided not to play in the qualifying round. After hearing Seabrook's story from a bad shoulder in juniors to hip injuries most men would have called it quits many seasons ago. I cannot imagine myself walking let alone play hockey. Still, no one but Delia and Subban have seen NHL ice which is a whole different ballgame than other leagues. That's not to mean they suck or will be forgotten, they could be good, but they can also be bad. Hype can be a bad thing. Remember Runblad? Hell, just look at Nylander. Until they actually see NHL ice we simply won't know what they actually are. The difference with Crawford and Neimi is that they both had a seasoned vet behind them (or rather that they wrested the job from). Sure Huet wasn't that good and Turco was on the outs but there was the mentorship factor (as well as a Team D which didn't suck). As I've mentioned in many posts if the 'hawks are going to re-sign Crawford is has to be with the understanding that it is a changing of the guard--so-to-speak. Nalimov, Lankinen, Tomkins, or even Delia and Subban have to be fighting it out for the coveted backup slot, and that backup slot has to get starts. This coming season should be the one where we identify his successor, and then the following season or two that successor has to prove he could take over. In that respect the 'hawks are going to want someone in net for that transition and in that respect, Crawford has to be up there as one of the best options. If one of those young goalies takes over, that's awesome: Crawford can ride it out as backup for an extra year or two. If not then the can is kicked down the road but we still have Crawford who *knows* the system and is used to playing behind a very leaky D while we try to find someone. It seems like you're betting that one of the young netminders will take over in net, de facto, this coming season and be ready for starter duties the next without a sophomore slump. I don't think that is guaranteed at all. I'd rather have a little bit of insurance especially if it means we can keep Crawford's cap hit down for an extra year or two. Also, even if Seabrook "looks good", that doesn't mean much. The problems with the team D require much more than 1 man to fix--especially since the problems are not just confined to the blueliners. He's not going to fix the issues. At this point we'd need a prime Seabrook, Prime Keith, and a Prime Hjammer to even think about fixing the D issues. We don't have the cap to acquire that. |
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Post by nighbor on Sept 10, 2020 13:38:46 GMT -6
Nalimov still belongs to the Hawks and may come to North America this season. Lankinen has no NHL experience but was having a good season until shoulder surgery ended it. He played and won back to back games against the best from Russia and Canada. Finland has a reputation for producing quality NHL goalies. Niemi and Crawford were nothing until they were given a chance. Tony O and Ken Dryden also came out of nowhere to have great seasons. I believe Seabrook will come back strong and end up being a 3 or 4 D. When he came back from the shutdown he looked great. He was the one who decided not to play in the qualifying round. After hearing Seabrook's story from a bad shoulder in juniors to hip injuries most men would have called it quits many seasons ago. I cannot imagine myself walking let alone play hockey. Still, no one but Delia and Subban have seen NHL ice which is a whole different ballgame than other leagues. That's not to mean they suck or will be forgotten, they could be good, but they can also be bad. Hype can be a bad thing. Remember Runblad? Hell, just look at Nylander. Until they actually see NHL ice we simply won't know what they actually are. The difference with Crawford and Neimi is that they both had a seasoned vet behind them (or rather that they wrested the job from). Sure Huet wasn't that good and Turco was on the outs but there was the mentorship factor (as well as a Team D which didn't suck). As I've mentioned in many posts if the 'hawks are going to re-sign Crawford is has to be with the understanding that it is a changing of the guard--so-to-speak. Nalimov, Lankinen, Tomkins, or even Delia and Subban have to be fighting it out for the coveted backup slot, and that backup slot has to get starts. This coming season should be the one where we identify his successor, and then the following season or two that successor has to prove he could take over. In that respect the 'hawks are going to want someone in net for that transition and in that respect, Crawford has to be up there as one of the best options. If one of those young goalies takes over, that's awesome: Crawford can ride it out as backup for an extra year or two. If not then the can is kicked down the road but we still have Crawford who *knows* the system and is used to playing behind a very leaky D while we try to find someone. It seems like you're betting that one of the young netminders will take over in net, de facto, this coming season and be ready for starter duties the next without a sophomore slump. I don't think that is guaranteed at all. I'd rather have a little bit of insurance especially if it means we can keep Crawford's cap hit down for an extra year or two. Also, even if Seabrook "looks good", that doesn't mean much. The problems with the team D require much more than 1 man to fix--especially since the problems are not just confined to the blueliners. He's not going to fix the issues. At this point we'd need a prime Seabrook, Prime Keith, and a Prime Hjammer to even think about fixing the D issues. We don't have the cap to acquire that. You can continue to look through your doom and gloom glasses and I will look through my glasses of hopeful possibilities. Lankinen did defeat both the Russian and Canadians in back to back games in a top notch international tournament. That is not hype but reality. There are not many goalies can say the same. There is a seventeen year old Russian goalie in this year's draft and without seeing NHL ice is said to be the real thing. I am betting on there being Crawford's replacement in the system. Seabrook looking good means a lot. From not being able to tie his child's shoe to looking good means a lot. Team D means the forwards not only must come back deep but come back as fast as they went on O. With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh. Keep Mitchell up for a good look
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Sept 10, 2020 16:20:44 GMT -6
Still, no one but Delia and Subban have seen NHL ice which is a whole different ballgame than other leagues. That's not to mean they suck or will be forgotten, they could be good, but they can also be bad. Hype can be a bad thing. Remember Runblad? Hell, just look at Nylander. Until they actually see NHL ice we simply won't know what they actually are. The difference with Crawford and Neimi is that they both had a seasoned vet behind them (or rather that they wrested the job from). Sure Huet wasn't that good and Turco was on the outs but there was the mentorship factor (as well as a Team D which didn't suck). As I've mentioned in many posts if the 'hawks are going to re-sign Crawford is has to be with the understanding that it is a changing of the guard--so-to-speak. Nalimov, Lankinen, Tomkins, or even Delia and Subban have to be fighting it out for the coveted backup slot, and that backup slot has to get starts. This coming season should be the one where we identify his successor, and then the following season or two that successor has to prove he could take over. In that respect the 'hawks are going to want someone in net for that transition and in that respect, Crawford has to be up there as one of the best options. If one of those young goalies takes over, that's awesome: Crawford can ride it out as backup for an extra year or two. If not then the can is kicked down the road but we still have Crawford who *knows* the system and is used to playing behind a very leaky D while we try to find someone. It seems like you're betting that one of the young netminders will take over in net, de facto, this coming season and be ready for starter duties the next without a sophomore slump. I don't think that is guaranteed at all. I'd rather have a little bit of insurance especially if it means we can keep Crawford's cap hit down for an extra year or two. Also, even if Seabrook "looks good", that doesn't mean much. The problems with the team D require much more than 1 man to fix--especially since the problems are not just confined to the blueliners. He's not going to fix the issues. At this point we'd need a prime Seabrook, Prime Keith, and a Prime Hjammer to even think about fixing the D issues. We don't have the cap to acquire that. You can continue to look through your doom and gloom glasses and I will look through my glasses of hopeful possibilities. Lankinen did defeat both the Russian and Canadians in back to back games in a top notch international tournament. That is not hype but reality. There are not many goalies can say the same. There is a seventeen year old Russian goalie in this year's draft and without seeing NHL ice is said to be the real thing. I am betting on there being Crawford's replacement in the system. Seabrook looking good means a lot. From not being able to tie his child's shoe to looking good means a lot. Team D means the forwards not only must come back deep but come back as fast as they went on O. With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh. Keep Mitchell up for a good look
Mitchell will be playing full time minutes with the Hawks, it’s not as you put it, keep Mitchell up for a look. This is Stan’s new Nylander, Rundblad, hopefully the difference is Mitchell will be as good as they are making him out to be. Stan will not burry this kid in the minors, he went out of his way to sign him and has pretty much been begging for him to join the Hawks since his college days. |
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Post by nighbor on Sept 10, 2020 20:38:04 GMT -6
You can continue to look through your doom and gloom glasses and I will look through my glasses of hopeful possibilities. Lankinen did defeat both the Russian and Canadians in back to back games in a top notch international tournament. That is not hype but reality. There are not many goalies can say the same. There is a seventeen year old Russian goalie in this year's draft and without seeing NHL ice is said to be the real thing. I am betting on there being Crawford's replacement in the system. Seabrook looking good means a lot. From not being able to tie his child's shoe to looking good means a lot. Team D means the forwards not only must come back deep but come back as fast as they went on O. With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh. Keep Mitchell up for a good look
Mitchell will be playing full time minutes with the Hawks, it’s not as you put it, keep Mitchell up for a look. This is Stan’s new Nylander, Rundblad, hopefully the difference is Mitchell will be as good as they are making him out to be. Stan will not burry this kid in the minors, he went out of his way to sign him and has pretty much been begging for him to join the Hawks since his college days. I am hoping that Mitchell is as advertised by Stan. With six experienced and healthy defenders the HC will not be forced to push Mitchell or any other young d-man if they are not ready. |
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Post by Tater on Sept 10, 2020 23:34:40 GMT -6
With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 11, 2020 6:15:54 GMT -6
With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh.
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? Since they have Seeler signed already for the year at 725K, you have to let Coco-puffs walk. Besides Keith and Boqvist the rest of the defense is slow and slower. But first we need a goalie and have to decide what to do with Strome, Caligula and Kubi. With 10m in cap space. Crow for 3m, Kubi for 3m strome for 3m and let Cags walk? The bumps I see are Smiths contract, and D-cat's. I'm not convinced 6.4 for 3 years was right considering the year he just had. He regressed 1/2 of what he had. But SB signed him too early and should have waited to right now. If he had another great year as previous 2 the 6.4 was right. Now he should be at half that for 2 years. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 11, 2020 7:59:35 GMT -6
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? Since they have Seeler signed already for the year at 725K, you have to let Coco-puffs walk. Besides Keith and Boqvist the rest of the defense is slow and slower. But first we need a goalie and have to decide what to do with Strome, Caligula and Kubi. With 10m in cap space. Crow for 3m, Kubi for 3m strome for 3m and let Cags walk? The bumps I see are Smiths contract, and D-cat's. I'm not convinced 6.4 for 3 years was right considering the year he just had. He regressed 1/2 of what he had. But SB signed him too early and should have waited to right now. If he had another great year as previous 2 the 6.4 was right. Now he should be at half that for 2 years. A RFA with 87 goals in his 1st three years just ain't gonna sign for 3.2M and would be offer sheeted if that was the offer IMO. The kid potted 18 after being separated from his successful linemate and played in the bottom six a good part of the year to appease Nolander........what's the coach that did that worth? If D-Cat woulda had a 2nd straight 40 goal season,I doubt anything under 8M inks him. Smith's worthless and should be bought out. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 11, 2020 8:05:43 GMT -6
Mitchell will be playing full time minutes with the Hawks, it’s not as you put it, keep Mitchell up for a look. This is Stan’s new Nylander, Rundblad, hopefully the difference is Mitchell will be as good as they are making him out to be. Stan will not burry this kid in the minors, he went out of his way to sign him and has pretty much been begging for him to join the Hawks since his college days. I am hoping that Mitchell is as advertised by Stan. With six experienced and healthy defenders the HC will not be forced to push Mitchell or any other young d-man if they are not ready. All the little, young D-men who were supposed to be the next this guy or that guy and are also now 20 or over,if they're not ready this year....when. D-men turn from prospect to project at some point. Joker looked solid and reliable last year at 20 but he's not the next this guy or that guy,he's just Henry Jokiharju while we get to enjoy Nolander. |
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Post by acesandeights on Sept 11, 2020 11:01:52 GMT -6
Mitchell will be playing full time minutes with the Hawks, it’s not as you put it, keep Mitchell up for a look. This is Stan’s new Nylander, Rundblad, hopefully the difference is Mitchell will be as good as they are making him out to be. Stan will not burry this kid in the minors, he went out of his way to sign him and has pretty much been begging for him to join the Hawks since his college days. I am hoping that Mitchell is as advertised by Stan. With six experienced and healthy defenders the HC will not be forced to push Mitchell or any other young d-man if they are not ready.That's a good point. If the Hawks would have had better depth on D this past season, maybe Boqvist could have been left in Rockford instead of being brought up before he was ready. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 11, 2020 12:19:43 GMT -6
Since they have Seeler signed already for the year at 725K, you have to let Coco-puffs walk. Besides Keith and Boqvist the rest of the defense is slow and slower. But first we need a goalie and have to decide what to do with Strome, Caligula and Kubi. With 10m in cap space. Crow for 3m, Kubi for 3m strome for 3m and let Cags walk? The bumps I see are Smiths contract, and D-cat's. I'm not convinced 6.4 for 3 years was right considering the year he just had. He regressed 1/2 of what he had. But SB signed him too early and should have waited to right now. If he had another great year as previous 2 the 6.4 was right. Now he should be at half that for 2 years. A RFA with 87 goals in his 1st three years just ain't gonna sign for 3.2M and would be offer sheeted if that was the offer IMO. The kid potted 18 after being separated from his successful linemate and played in the bottom six a good part of the year to appease Nolander........what's the coach that did that worth? If D-Cat woulda had a 2nd straight 40 goal season,I doubt anything under 8M inks him. Smith's worthless and should be bought out. T&K got 6.3 on their 2nd contract, you really think that D-cat is worth the same at the same point in their careers? D-cat was struggling to hit the net the first 2 months of the season. He had all the opportunity to get right. But he started to squeeze the sawdust from his sticks. Had a handful of "he's back" games only to slip back. He was still on the PP with Kaner but couldn't hit the puck or net. Kubi stepped up and filled in where D-cat slipped. I still think D-cat will rebound but as usual SB jumps the gun on a contract. Also cap friendly doesn't show Smith's contract being able to be bought out. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 11, 2020 12:28:32 GMT -6
With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh.
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? One of Murph, Maata, DeHaan, or Seabrook have to walk to have a hope of fitting Koob in. The way it stands right now is we have to sign Koob, we have to re-sign Strome or another 2-3C, and even if the 'hawks went cheap with Lankinen and Delia that's 1.8M on the books in net out of ~7M and change. I don't see Strome and Koob fitting in for ~5M for the both. Koob will be at least 4M, and then the rest would have to be split between a 2-3C (even a risk), and if the 'hawks went with a vet transitional net-minder. Further, one of them should move unless Stan is going to be dumb and try to win now without bringing any more kids along. As hsbob said...now much more time will Mitchell need before we know he's ready. He does need to take the NHL ice sooner rather than later and we need to see what we have in him. Ditto with all the other D prospects. Same with the goalie prospects but you want both G and D to have some vet mentorship (which is why it would be dumb to run Lankinen and Delia--you want a vet presence for transition and if you can get it cheap enough that they can transition from starter, to 1a, to 1b, to backup, you do it. Crawford fits the mold very well but it doesn't have to be him). Right now the 'hawks have 5 D-men making over 3.5M: Keith, Seabs, Haata, DeHaan, and Murphy. In fact, they are all making ~24.9M together. That's a lot--especially with how bad the D is (not all the blueliner's fault but the blueliner's aren't that good right now, either. Getting old sucks.). That gives us a single slot for development that right now is taken by Boqvist. I think we need one more and that means someone has to go. Keith is recapture risk and an NMC--I think he stays. Seabs is an NMC and his contract is a major chunk of change--we don't lose him without taking salary back. That leaves the rest as a potential cap-dump. Since all of them are mid-pair defenders there should be somewhat of a market for them were we can take something back that doesn't hurt the cap too badly--so we can fit who we need to under the cap. |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Sept 12, 2020 16:13:33 GMT -6
With a healthy Keith, Maatta, deHaan, Seabrook, Murphy and Koekkoek the coach could then partner Seabrook with Keith. Keith's playing time could be cut to keep him fresh.
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? I read an article saying the Hawks were going to buy Matta and Smith out going into this season. There was also talk of trading KoKo for a draft pick. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 12, 2020 16:41:09 GMT -6
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? I read an article saying the Hawks were going to buy Matta and Smith out going into this season. There was also talk of trading KoKo for a draft pick. Wow, that would hurt for a while. I don’t think there’s much benefits in those buyouts. They’ll hurt the team from being any type of competitive for a few years. But, I think that’s coming regardless!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 12, 2020 18:33:11 GMT -6
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? I read an article saying the Hawks were going to buy Matta and Smith out going into this season. There was also talk of trading KoKo for a draft pick. I can understand the oft injured 4.6M de Haan being a buy out and Smith too but I still think Maata shouldn't be hard to move at all(maybe for SB)after coming back with a healthy,productive PO's. It'll be a BAD look if the team has to buy out multiple players acquired last summer for real assets going back the other way. Does anyone expect Ott to have to buy out AA after another solid season last year and only one more left......I doubt it. Can we NOT buy out the guy we got for him? |
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Post by BigT on Sept 12, 2020 20:32:51 GMT -6
I read an article saying the Hawks were going to buy Matta and Smith out going into this season. There was also talk of trading KoKo for a draft pick. I can understand the oft injured 4.6M de Haan being a buy out and Smith too but I still think Maata shouldn't be hard to move at all(maybe for SB)after coming back with a healthy,productive PO's. It'll be a BAD look if the team has to buy out multiple players acquired last summer for real assets going back the other way. Does anyone expect Ott to have to buy out AA after another solid season last year and only one more left......I doubt it. Can we NOT buy out the guy we got for him? That was an awful trade to save 1 million. He saves 1 million and wastes 3. Just a terrible trade again. And again, and again!!! |
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Post by Tater on Sept 12, 2020 23:16:12 GMT -6
What moves would they have to make with that set of D to be able to fit under the cap? I read an article saying the Hawks were going to buy Matta and Smith out going into this season. There was also talk of trading KoKo for a draft pick. Yeah, I was kinda being sarcastic with my question. There is no way to afford the D lines that were posted. Too bad it's Stan making the moves that need to happen.
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Post by BigT on Sept 13, 2020 4:34:35 GMT -6
A RFA with 87 goals in his 1st three years just ain't gonna sign for 3.2M and would be offer sheeted if that was the offer IMO. The kid potted 18 after being separated from his successful linemate and played in the bottom six a good part of the year to appease Nolander........what's the coach that did that worth? If D-Cat woulda had a 2nd straight 40 goal season,I doubt anything under 8M inks him. Smith's worthless and should be bought out. T&K got 6.3 on their 2nd contract, you really think that D-cat is worth the same at the same point in their careers? D-cat was struggling to hit the net the first 2 months of the season. He had all the opportunity to get right. But he started to squeeze the sawdust from his sticks. Had a handful of "he's back" games only to slip back. He was still on the PP with Kaner but couldn't hit the puck or net. Kubi stepped up and filled in where D-cat slipped. I still think D-cat will rebound but as usual SB jumps the gun on a contract. Also cap friendly doesn't show Smith's contract being able to be bought out. Remember Tman, we have to look at percentages. How much percent of the cap was 6.3 when Toews and Kane signed them? Let’s say the cap was 60 million ish when they signed. They each got 11.3% of the cap. The cap is 81.5 million and Dcat is getting 6.4 million or 7.8%. That’s how agents look at things. So if the cap went to 100 million let’s say. Toews and Kane’s deals would have been worth 11.3 million in 2010 if the cap was at 100 million. So always look at the cap hit percentages. Cap friendly has it as one of the 1st things right above their contract info. But with that said, I still think a smaller slice of the pie should have went to Dcat. I’d like to have seen roughly 6.5% of the cap allocated to him at this point. Once he’s totally established, and the ups and downs are ironed out, I’d like to see him get his 8-9% of the cap!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 13, 2020 8:04:02 GMT -6
A RFA with 87 goals in his 1st three years just ain't gonna sign for 3.2M and would be offer sheeted if that was the offer IMO. The kid potted 18 after being separated from his successful linemate and played in the bottom six a good part of the year to appease Nolander........what's the coach that did that worth? If D-Cat woulda had a 2nd straight 40 goal season,I doubt anything under 8M inks him. Smith's worthless and should be bought out. T&K got 6.3 on their 2nd contract, you really think that D-cat is worth the same at the same point in their careers? D-cat was struggling to hit the net the first 2 months of the season. He had all the opportunity to get right. But he started to squeeze the sawdust from his sticks. Had a handful of "he's back" games only to slip back. He was still on the PP with Kaner but couldn't hit the puck or net. Kubi stepped up and filled in where D-cat slipped. I still think D-cat will rebound but as usual SB jumps the gun on a contract. Also cap friendly doesn't show Smith's contract being able to be bought out. I thought the upward trajectory D-Cat showed goin from 28 to 41 as a sophomore was likely a sign of things to come and probably still is. The kid looked comfortable and confident after a year with his old Jr's partner but our HC broke that up in game one and played them together sparingly from then on. I know D-Cat's play was off but the bottom six didn't work for a pure sniper and probably never will. Kane and Toews also had career years together a year ago only to also be separated and both also had less productive years because of it. Putting the right line combos together is challenging at times but braking up the right line combos is as easy as pie as our young genius showed us. Will have to see how the 2nd time through works for Kubalik,he'll take no one by surprise next year and D-Cat could easily bounce back and have a better year than Kubalik unless Nolander stays in the top six.....  |
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