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Post by 2old4this on Jul 9, 2022 8:40:07 GMT -6
Pretty fair draft. Not happy about the weak return for Debrincat. A top10 pick, early 2nd, and a 3rd in next year's draft isn't horrible, better than getting some later firsts at the trade deadline like the Tampa picks for Hagel, which was fair for him but not Debrincat. That top10 pick might be a future leader on D and he has good size, more coveted than an elite winger. I'm sure Luke likes the Hawks D prospects with Korchinski and Rinzel added to Vlasic, Regula, Mitchell, Allan, Phillips, Del Mastro, and Crevier, And who knows, 6'4" Roos might be a solid signing. The 3rd rounder is not in next years draft, but the year after, IIRC. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 8:41:35 GMT -6
We also had a desperate clueless GM who rushed his shiny new toys, nothing a development coach can do if the GM doesn't let them develop. And we now have big Luke, who I'm sure will have input on if they're ready. We also had a GM that rushed his shiny new Campbell into a roll that he just winged it. Pretty sad that hat it was better to look like a good guy than do the right things. How was Campbell even qualified? You gotta be able to know what you’re doing can’t just say “I played” and the rest is easy. Hopefully that gets fixed!!! So a four time all-star D-man who played over 1,000 regular and over 100 postseason games isn't qualified to teach teenagers? It's not like they handed him the HC job with almost no qualifications like they did Potter.......he started out teaching and coaching at the appropriate level IMO. Maybe a few more years of reading message boards woulda prepared him better.....LOFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 9, 2022 8:51:57 GMT -6
No, just no. He's a douche and should be nowhere near this team. Already have Campbell as "Advisor" and look at the wonderful job he's done with Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, etc, etc... You can't put it all on Soupy T-man,I'm not sayin' I'd lose a minute of sleep if he was replaced but he wasn't behind the bench in Chicago or Rockford to be fair and it certainly wasn't HIS decision to bring Boqvist up after only 15 AHL games. Campbell was on record saying the 19yro needed a full year in Rockford to work on his D-zone play after a very good first year offensively in the 'O' and he said he looked forward to working with him further but he didn't get it. Potter and his staff were the one's who threw him to the wolves and failed to teach and develop him further........you give Potter a pass? Again it's not the HC job to "develop" the player. That's the "development" coaches job. Or else why even have them in the first place. Soupy is also on record as saying he was going to personally work with Boq. Had 2+ years and the kid got worse. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 9:40:40 GMT -6
You can't put it all on Soupy T-man,I'm not sayin' I'd lose a minute of sleep if he was replaced but he wasn't behind the bench in Chicago or Rockford to be fair and it certainly wasn't HIS decision to bring Boqvist up after only 15 AHL games. Campbell was on record saying the 19yro needed a full year in Rockford to work on his D-zone play after a very good first year offensively in the 'O' and he said he looked forward to working with him further but he didn't get it. Potter and his staff were the one's who threw him to the wolves and failed to teach and develop him further........you give Potter a pass? Again it's not the HC job to "develop" the player. That's the "development" coaches job. Or else why even have them in the first place. Soupy is also on record as saying he was going to personally work with Boq. Had 2+ years and the kid got worse. It's all Campbell's fault!LOFL! Potter STUNK! Who you gonna blame for forwards like Dach and Kurashev going backwards? POTTER STUNK! He did NOT have two plus years to work with Boqvist,his ONLY year in the 'O' was his first year in NA,he had 15 games at Rockford the following year. He was on record saying the kid still needed work in his own end and looked forward to a full year at Rockford to continue to help him but he didn't get it. Are you saying Potter,Crawford and Brookbank had no responsibility to teach this kid once their got their useless hands on him? And maybe some turds just can't be polished. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 9, 2022 9:56:12 GMT -6
It was a collective clusterf*** led by DUMBASS. Hopefully there is a better group to handle this now. I can’t judge Campbell himself easily given the group coaching tank of the past few years.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 9, 2022 10:00:29 GMT -6
Again it's not the HC job to "develop" the player. That's the "development" coaches job. Or else why even have them in the first place. Soupy is also on record as saying he was going to personally work with Boq. Had 2+ years and the kid got worse. It's all Campbell's fault!LOFL! Potter STUNK! Who you gonna blame foe guys like Dach and Kurashev going backwards? POTTER STUNK! He did NOT have two plus years to work with Boqvist,his ONLY year in the 'O' was his first year in NA,he had 15 games at Rockford the following year. He was on record saying the kid still needed work in his own end and looked forward to a full year at Rockford to continue to help him but he didn't get it. Are you saying Potter,Crawford and Brookbank had no responsibility to teach this kid once their got their useless hands on him? And maybe some turds just can't be polished. Yeah Campbell didn't have 2yrs with him and he didn't pair him with Keith playing top2 minutes, that's on Bowman and JC. Adam should've played a full season in Rockford but Stan rushed him and JC miss used him. The BJs put him on the 3rd pair with time on the PP and he was scoring, still injured a lot put he wasn't against top lines. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 10:12:09 GMT -6
It's all Campbell's fault!LOFL! Potter STUNK! Who you gonna blame foe guys like Dach and Kurashev going backwards? POTTER STUNK! He did NOT have two plus years to work with Boqvist,his ONLY year in the 'O' was his first year in NA,he had 15 games at Rockford the following year. He was on record saying the kid still needed work in his own end and looked forward to a full year at Rockford to continue to help him but he didn't get it. Are you saying Potter,Crawford and Brookbank had no responsibility to teach this kid once their got their useless hands on him? And maybe some turds just can't be polished. Yeah Campbell didn't have 2yrs with him and he didn't pair him with Keith playing top2 minutes, that's on Bowman and JC. Adam should've played a full season in Rockford but Stan rushed him and JC miss used him. The BJs put him on the 3rd pair with time on the PP and he was scoring, still injured a lot put he wasn't against top lines. And I'm not saying Brian Campbell is or isn't qualified to do this or that but exactly what are the qualifications for a first time development coach at the JR and AHL level? Campbell publicly said the kid had loads of offensive talent and he showed it his first year in the 'O' BUT Campbell also said he wasn't ready yet and needed to work on his defensive play for a year in Rockford...........and DUMBASS figured what does a four time all-star D-man know about D! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 9, 2022 12:13:41 GMT -6
With the amount of forwards taken after the 1st round it shows they're confident in the amount of D prospects in the system but yeah, none are projected to be a #2 dman but Kosinski and Rinzel have that potential, especially Kos. He just turned 18 and might grow more than 6'2", almost looked as tall as Luke. I like that he's from Saskatchewan, like last years first rounder, because they're usually tough kids. I've watched a lot of Kosinskis highlights and the kid looks like the real deal. It's impressive what he did as a 17yr old in the WHL and got better in the playoffs helping his team win the Western conference final. He's got a high IQ and has great skills. Hope you a right OTH but what I have read the kid can’t play D and there’s a good chance he never gets to NHL level on that front. Game scouting was done by Mitchell Brown and David St-Louis mostly. High risk pick at 7 don’t think it was a smart pick. But I’ll start drinking tear down cool aid soon and my mood will change. OTH this was my.post NHL level on that front no where did I say he won’t make NHL again this is what I read |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 9, 2022 13:00:01 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks. Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years. I agree with you 100 percent it’s been a perfect storm last 3-4 years . I don’t think they worked hard enough each kid need to know what to work on what drills and exercises to do. Then when they get to Rockford the coaching staff need to be told what you want them to develop Rockford is there for them to get game practice to work on the week parts of there game. Perfect example is Lucas spent a year in Rockford and they put him in the best position to succeed not work on his game so the kid still has the same weaknesses. Shit I know the kids got a good transition game I need him to figure out best way to win board battles understand where to be better defensively and get work at it. After 3 years in Rockford there should be quite a file on Temply I bet there’s not much of one. I see for the most part the same player I saw 3 years ago. Get some young and hungry kids to start working in player development and lets outwork the rest of the league in this department!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 10, 2022 21:32:15 GMT -6
looks to me like the folks in charge saw two things: a lack of a top pairing guy in the current prospect group and the likelihood of next year's selection (post tank) being a top forward. so, we got what we got. two kicks at the can here, hoping one of the two (particularly the 7th OA) turns into that top d prospect/player. With the amount of forwards taken after the 1st round it shows they're confident in the amount of D prospects in the system but yeah, none are projected to be a #2 dman but Kosinski and Rinzel have that potential, especially Kos. He just turned 18 and might grow more than 6'2", almost looked as tall as Luke. I like that he's from Saskatchewan, like last years first rounder, because they're usually tough kids. I've watched a lot of Kosinskis highlights and the kid looks like the real deal. It's impressive what he did as a 17yr old in the WHL and got better in the playoffs helping his team win the Western conference final. He's got a high IQ and has great skills. Maybe for now. But, the D picks tended to go in the 1st round and the others went deeper. Deeper in the draft I think the 'hawks could afford to look at some depth FWDs. I still say that, for the 2023 draft, the focus has to be on blue chip defensemen until/unless we have our top-4 set and performing how they should or the best player at that pick is far-and-away a FWD/G. If we do get too many good young D-men, we can always move the superfluous ones out for needs at FWD (see also: Wisniewski). What I hear from those who see the Tbirds more than I do, he is pretty good. Plus, it's not uncommon for a player who had O-upside in the jr's to flip and be more defensively-minded at the pros: Joker was that type--and so was Hjammer. Not saying Kos will be another Hjammer, but I want him developed and working out the kinks on NHL ice before we declare him a boon or bust. looks to me like the folks in charge saw two things: a lack of a top pairing guy in the current prospect group and the likelihood of next year's selection (post tank) being a top forward. so, we got what we got. two kicks at the can here, hoping one of the two (particularly the 7th OA) turns into that top d prospect/player. KD said he’s gonna have the talk with them. Let them know that this is a tank job and make sure they’re on board. He’d love to have them, but next year is the real shit show. If they get Bedard, who isn’t gonna wanna pay to see him? So one year of absolute shit, then the climb uphill starts to take effect. Remember. If they want out. Cool. That will fill the cupboards even more. Also, I like how they dominantly took centers with most of their picks. Something good will happen with all of that!!! I agree: They have to start filling in from the longest development types 1st. I'm wondering if anybody here would consider Seth Jones a top d-man if he was only making 8 mil/year? Derek King called him a stud. He is, but he's not a Keith. He's a Brian Campbell in my estimation when he's on--so top-tier, but O-biased. A Hjammer-type would compliment him perfectly. He's not going to be the guy you want starting in the backend when we're down by 1 late in the 3rd on the PK. He will be the guy you want when were down by 1 late in the third on the PP though. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 12, 2022 17:30:13 GMT -6
Hope this is just good satire…
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 12, 2022 18:48:36 GMT -6
Hope this is just good satire… Looks like man on man D, keep chasing someone around the zone instead of setting something up. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 13, 2022 8:01:01 GMT -6
Hope this is just good satire… 1: Yakkety Sax makes everything better. 2: How is this different than every 'hawk D since 2016? |
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Post by tincup on Jul 15, 2022 10:58:34 GMT -6
From the scrimmage today. I'm loving how Allan is fighting and boxing out Dach in front. Gives me hope for the future.
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Post by steamer on Jul 15, 2022 11:13:07 GMT -6
Vlasic looked good as he should given a little more experience. In the admittedly short time I watched today, Korchinski is definitely a good skater - smooth and upright and fast when needed.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 15, 2022 11:15:50 GMT -6
From the scrimmage today. I'm loving how Allan is fighting and boxing out Dach in front. Gives me hope for the future. Allan with a huge hit at the blueline in the 2nd half. With his skating and snarl he might earn a spot next season but another year in P.A. won't hurt. Awesome seeing him battling with a guy who's 6'4" 200+lbs. This new defensive system is way better for him and all these young dmen. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 15, 2022 11:18:18 GMT -6
From the scrimmage today. I'm loving how Allan is fighting and boxing out Dach in front. Gives me hope for the future. Allan with a huge hit at the blueline in the 2nd half. With his skating and snarl he might earn a spot next season but another year in P.A. won't hurt. Awesome seeing him battling with a guy who's 6'4" 200+lbs. This new defensive system is way better for him and all these young dmen. Wasn't able to watch this today, just a lot of Twitter vids, hope it stays up so I can watch later. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 15, 2022 11:20:23 GMT -6
Vlasic looked good as he should given a little more experience. In the admittedly short time I watched today, Korchinski is definitely a good skater - smooth and upright and fast when needed. He really impressed me this week, plus guys like Nazar, Allan, and Del Mastro have talked about how great he's been on and off the ice. Nazar said he's the hardest dman to play against. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 15, 2022 11:24:08 GMT -6
OTH and tincup have more experience judging the young guys than I do but calling it as I saw it, Korchinski is way ahead of where Boquist was after he was first drafted and may already be ahead of him now in certain aspects of his game.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 15, 2022 11:25:43 GMT -6
Allan with a huge hit at the blueline in the 2nd half. With his skating and snarl he might earn a spot next season but another year in P.A. won't hurt. Awesome seeing him battling with a guy who's 6'4" 200+lbs. This new defensive system is way better for him and all these young dmen. Wasn't able to watch this today, just a lot of Twitter vids, hope it stays up so I can watch later. I missed the first half but from the second, ot, and shootout I'm excited for the future on D. Korchinski, Allan, Vlasic, Crevier, Del Mastro, and Rinzel looked really good. Roos, Krutil, Harding and Kelley look solid as well. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 15, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -6
OTH and tincup have more experience judging the young guys than I do but calling it as I saw it, Korchinski is way ahead of where Boquist was after he was first drafted and may already be ahead of him now in certain aspects of his game. I'm far more hopefully with Korchinski then I ever was with Boqvist, he's much bigger, stronger and just turned 18 last month. And never had a concussion in his draft year. At 18 Boqvist had a good season in the OHL, at 17 Korch had the most assists as a rookie dman since 83 then had 7 goals in the playoffs and was the playoff leader in points by a dman. And he looked good at both ends in this scrimmage, something Boqvist still struggles with. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 3, 2022 8:04:58 GMT -6
Most of us thought the young guys would be playing this season, Vlasic, Mitchell, Regula, but with C. Jones coming back and Johnson signed they'll have to wait, or one of them earns a spot.
Considering the Hawks wanna tank that's probably a good thing and once the 1yr contracts are moved, and hopefully Murphy and a long shot, Seth Jones, then the young guys can finish the season in Chicago.
Hopefully 2023 sees Bedard in Chicago, then the youth movement can begin.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 3, 2022 9:41:20 GMT -6
Most of us thought the young guys would be playing this season, Vlasic, Mitchell, Regula, but with C. Jones coming back and Johnson signed they'll have to wait, or one of them earns a spot. Considering the Hawks wanna tank that's probably a good thing and once the 1yr contracts are moved, and hopefully Murphy and a long shot, Seth Jones, then the young guys can finish the season in Chicago. Hopefully 2023 sees Bedard in Chicago, then the youth movement can begin. I think guys who earn spots under the new HC will get em or at least I hope so. I woulda thought 28yro Jones,29yro Murph and 29yro McCabe,all signed long-term and hard to trade to say the least woulda been enough vets on D but more are added once again.......and even older this time.......on a total tear-down? Mitchell turns 24 in January,Regula's 22(both have a full year plus in Rockford) and Vlasic's 21,all three could easily get passed up by an Org that now seems to have little use for players from the prior regime........we didn't even mention 1st round pick 22yro Beaudine or 23yro Galvas. Allen,Crevier,Del Mastro,Phillips and Korchinski will all be knocking on the door real soon with more to come. Maybe Mitchell looks decent around the TDL with solid minutes under LR and since 24's too old for our rebuild.......he's moved for a 2nd in a deep draft. Give him some useless games at the end of a last place season and kiss him good bye for nothing IMO. That'll mean the team has no interest and I'm sure the player will have even less because Mitchell knows that youth movement doesn't include him........the team will simply not qualify him as we've seen done with other RFA's. Probably no big loss anyway but what do Johnson and C Jones do,neither will have any trade value or at least no more than a #7 and you know what you have with both. If Mitchell or one of the bigger guys take advantage of a good shot early on,they also might have trade value with younger D prospects in the system. Not a vital issue as far as the team's long-term plan anyway........just somethin' to 'jawbone' about. |
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