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Post by galaxytrash on May 15, 2023 0:20:43 GMT -6
draisaitl not quite as bad as lucic. : )
not a good look for either one.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 15, 2023 0:53:34 GMT -6
crazy.
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Post by BigT on May 15, 2023 5:29:21 GMT -6
They got some serious issues there in Edmonton. If I were making decisions, I’d have to see if I could get rid of the following. Campbell, Nuge, Nurse, and a few others. I believe there would be a market for Nuge. And probably Nurse. But Campbell will be hard to get rid of. In back to back years they signed two from the leaves. Hyman and Campbell. That should be the last team you take from. I may even entertain trading Hyman.
I think the best thing to do may be try and recoup some picks and build from within. There’s just not enough out there to make this work. I’d sit down with McDavid and Draisaitl. Let them know my plan. I’d inject Holloway, and a couple other kids into the fold. Can’t really hurt anything. Bouchard looks to becoming a real force for them.
Plus I’d have to seriously look at coaching. Need a veteran in there. Enough of these rookie head coaches. Maybe they’ll look to Q? Trotz? They need a Cup winner there!!!
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Post by phill9 on May 15, 2023 6:57:41 GMT -6
They got some serious issues there in Edmonton. If I were making decisions, I’d have to see if I could get rid of the following. Campbell, Nuge, Nurse, and a few others. I believe there would be a market for Nuge. And probably Nurse. But Campbell will be hard to get rid of. In back to back years they signed two from the leaves. Hyman and Campbell. That should be the last team you take from. I may even entertain trading Hyman. I think the best thing to do may be try and recoup some picks and build from within. There’s just not enough out there to make this work. I’d sit down with McDavid and Draisaitl. Let them know my plan. I’d inject Holloway, and a couple other kids into the fold. Can’t really hurt anything. Bouchard looks to becoming a real force for them. Plus I’d have to seriously look at coaching. Need a veteran in there. Enough of these rookie head coaches. Maybe they’ll look to Q? Trotz? They need a Cup winner there!!! Trotz just becsme GM for Nashville, so he's out of the coaching carousel, at least for now. |
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Post by phill9 on May 15, 2023 7:02:08 GMT -6
So on Facebook, some Knight fans making comments like "maybe this year they'll finally win it".
Spoiled much? You were handed a playoff caliber team while all other expansion teams took years to be just competitive. So complaining about only making it to the conference finals for the 3rd time is a tad bit elitist for all you spoiled fans. Now definitely rooting for Dallas/Seattle to knock you out of the playoffs.
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Post by tincup on May 15, 2023 8:30:58 GMT -6
Oilers with the usual top heavy scorers, but little beyond that. Every player except for a couple all with negative +/- numbers for the playoffs. A coach over loyal to his struggling rookie tender. If it weren’t for that historical PP, where would they be and how far would they have gotten?
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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 9:11:18 GMT -6
Not sure when these teams like the Oilers think they can win with just offense will learn, playoffs just a completely different game, not as much room, tight check and subpar goaltending will just "kill" you. It is the same issue below NHL caliber goaltending for playoffs and defense suspect yet every year they think somehow it will be their year without addressing these deficiencies. The fans complain about this and that an yet management every year for the past 3-5 thinks it will be different. Sure, they got Ekholm and he seemed to help during the last part of the regular season when they finished strong, but not enough depth to win. If it wasn't for their 50% power play success, they most likely get swept here. Knights down to 3rd string goalie and still win, why? better defense, better overall team structure on how they play and better coaching.
Like the Leafs serious discussions on how these teams are currently constructed need to take place with honest admission about their rosters and very strong considerations to make bold moves. Both of teams do not need tweaks, their rosters are flawed.
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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 11:02:40 GMT -6
McDavid quoted: ‘Hope it’s the last time’ with the latest playoff disappointed exit. He further says that every team that experiences winning usually has to go through these painful exits. Seemed to work for the Bolts and the Caps most recently. The question becomes what changes need or will take place to get over the hump. They tried to solve the goaltending with Campbell signing last year and brought in Ekholm over Tyson Barrie. Campbell hardly played and Ekholm helped but not enough. Do they trade Draisaitl? That would have to be a hockey trade, star player coming back, maybe similar what the Hawks did when Mike Keenan traded Savard for Chelios, granted that was in pre-cap world.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 15, 2023 14:05:17 GMT -6
Gonna be a great day at work tomorrow, Friday a lot of Oiler fans were saying they'll wrap up the series after winning Friday and Sunday...nope. You're just a vindictive SOB? LOL |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 15, 2023 14:07:50 GMT -6
They got some serious issues there in Edmonton. If I were making decisions, I’d have to see if I could get rid of the following. Campbell, Nuge, Nurse, and a few others. I believe there would be a market for Nuge. And probably Nurse. But Campbell will be hard to get rid of. In back to back years they signed two from the leaves. Hyman and Campbell. That should be the last team you take from. I may even entertain trading Hyman. I think the best thing to do may be try and recoup some picks and build from within. There’s just not enough out there to make this work. I’d sit down with McDavid and Draisaitl. Let them know my plan. I’d inject Holloway, and a couple other kids into the fold. Can’t really hurt anything. Bouchard looks to becoming a real force for them. Plus I’d have to seriously look at coaching. Need a veteran in there. Enough of these rookie head coaches. Maybe they’ll look to Q? Trotz? They need a Cup winner there!!! Trotz is the Preds new GM. |
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Post by vadarx on May 15, 2023 15:12:07 GMT -6
McDavid quoted: ‘Hope it’s the last time’ with the latest playoff disappointed exit. He further says that every team that experiences winning usually has to go through these painful exits. Seemed to work for the Bolts and the Caps most recently. The question becomes what changes need or will take place to get over the hump. They tried to solve the goaltending with Campbell signing last year and brought in Ekholm over Tyson Barrie. Campbell hardly played and Ekholm helped but not enough. Do they trade Draisaitl? That would have to be a hockey trade, star player coming back, maybe similar what the Hawks did when Mike Keenan traded Savard for Chelios, granted that was in pre-cap world. they could get a lot of pieces for Draisaitl, but I doubt they'll do it. |
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Post by vadarx on May 15, 2023 15:16:19 GMT -6
They got some serious issues there in Edmonton. If I were making decisions, I’d have to see if I could get rid of the following. Campbell, Nuge, Nurse, and a few others. I believe there would be a market for Nuge. And probably Nurse. But Campbell will be hard to get rid of. In back to back years they signed two from the leaves. Hyman and Campbell. That should be the last team you take from. I may even entertain trading Hyman. I think the best thing to do may be try and recoup some picks and build from within. There’s just not enough out there to make this work. I’d sit down with McDavid and Draisaitl. Let them know my plan. I’d inject Holloway, and a couple other kids into the fold. Can’t really hurt anything. Bouchard looks to becoming a real force for them. Plus I’d have to seriously look at coaching. Need a veteran in there. Enough of these rookie head coaches. Maybe they’ll look to Q? Trotz? They need a Cup winner there!!! man, their situation is no bueno... looking at CF: RNH: 6 years left @ 5.25 NMC Kane: 3 years left @ 5.25, NMC Nurse: 7 years left @ 9.25, NMC Campbell: 4 years left @ 5, M-NTC |
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Post by BigT on May 15, 2023 15:58:02 GMT -6
McDavid quoted: ‘Hope it’s the last time’ with the latest playoff disappointed exit. He further says that every team that experiences winning usually has to go through these painful exits. Seemed to work for the Bolts and the Caps most recently. The question becomes what changes need or will take place to get over the hump. They tried to solve the goaltending with Campbell signing last year and brought in Ekholm over Tyson Barrie. Campbell hardly played and Ekholm helped but not enough. Do they trade Draisaitl? That would have to be a hockey trade, star player coming back, maybe similar what the Hawks did when Mike Keenan traded Savard for Chelios, granted that was in pre-cap world. They need a stud on D. Thought Ekholm helped. But Nurse seems to be horrible in big games. I wanna like the guy, he plays hard and fights. But he just isn’t worth his contract. He’s probably overpaid by 3 million. He’s in the 1st year of an 8 year 9.25 million deal. Not sure how to fix their D problems. But they may fix “organically” with Bouchard and Broberg. At this point that’s what I’d do. Turn to the kids. Bring in Holloway and a couple others. I’d seriously look into trading Nurse. I know it’s not very possible. But it is what it is. That NMC contract is gonna be an 8 year boat anchor. He’s just not good enough to warrant that type of deal. Maybe at 6 million. But 9.25 is just far too much!!! |
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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -6
McDavid quoted: ‘Hope it’s the last time’ with the latest playoff disappointed exit. He further says that every team that experiences winning usually has to go through these painful exits. Seemed to work for the Bolts and the Caps most recently. The question becomes what changes need or will take place to get over the hump. They tried to solve the goaltending with Campbell signing last year and brought in Ekholm over Tyson Barrie. Campbell hardly played and Ekholm helped but not enough. Do they trade Draisaitl? That would have to be a hockey trade, star player coming back, maybe similar what the Hawks did when Mike Keenan traded Savard for Chelios, granted that was in pre-cap world. they could get a lot of pieces for Draisaitl, but I doubt they'll do it. I agree they probably will not move Draisaitl, but likely have same outcome next year. In the West Anaheim and Hawks arrows pointing up. Seattle will be even better. Nashville is always competitive, same with Wild, Avs, Knights and Stars should be good, figure the Coyotes with all those picks and young players are on the upswing, Blues looking at some type of rebuild, not sure about the Jets, they might have to move Dubois (RFA), Scheifele could be traded and Hellebuyck in last year of contract, Kings a lit of a mystery team as some of their high end prospects have yet to make an impact, Vancouver is in cap hell, Flames with new GM and Coach so not sure of their direction and the Sharks well they are the still the "bite less" Sharks for now.  |
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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 17:07:07 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on May 15, 2023 19:17:37 GMT -6
Maybe if the Jets start a rebuild, Hellibyuck could be dealt to Edmonton. Trade Skinner and some good young assets for him. Oilers have no choice but to go all in now. So maybe they could do a blockbuster. Hellebuyck and Lowery for Skinner, Holloway Ann’s another good prospect. That would be a start.
Then I’d see if I could trade Nugent to a team like Carolina or Dallas etc. just a salary dump. Then I’d look to get some better defense in there to aid Hellebuyck. Probably wouldn’t need that much help with him in there. I think that would be a great start!!!
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Post by jacksalmon on May 15, 2023 22:13:09 GMT -6
Not sure when these teams like the Oilers think they can win with just offense will learn, playoffs just a completely different game, not as much room, tight check and subpar goaltending will just "kill" you. It is the same issue below NHL caliber goaltending for playoffs and defense suspect yet every year they think somehow it will be their year without addressing these deficiencies. The fans complain about this and that an yet management every year for the past 3-5 thinks it will be different. Sure, they got Ekholm and he seemed to help during the last part of the regular season when they finished strong, but not enough depth to win. If it wasn't for their 50% power play success, they most likely get swept here. Knights down to 3rd string goalie and still win, why? better defense, better overall team structure on how they play and better coaching. Like the Leafs serious discussions on how these teams are currently constructed need to take place with honest admission about their rosters and very strong considerations to make bold moves. Both of teams do not need tweaks, their rosters are flawed. I agree with you. I looked at the top scorers in the playoffs and there were several Oilers listed. But, when I watched the games between the Knights and Oilers, it was clear that the Oiler defense was lacking and that the Knights were able to take advantage of that. It is really hard to put it all together. One good thing about game 6 was that the two teams did not engage in any dirty plays, even though apparently, both sides had reason to "get even". Perhaps, the coaches made it clear that there was to be none of that, if game 6 was to be won. So, Vegas won it on pure hockey skills. |
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Post by vadarx on May 16, 2023 0:36:23 GMT -6
Not sure when these teams like the Oilers think they can win with just offense will learn, playoffs just a completely different game, not as much room, tight check and subpar goaltending will just "kill" you. It is the same issue below NHL caliber goaltending for playoffs and defense suspect yet every year they think somehow it will be their year without addressing these deficiencies. The fans complain about this and that an yet management every year for the past 3-5 thinks it will be different. Sure, they got Ekholm and he seemed to help during the last part of the regular season when they finished strong, but not enough depth to win. If it wasn't for their 50% power play success, they most likely get swept here. Knights down to 3rd string goalie and still win, why? better defense, better overall team structure on how they play and better coaching. Like the Leafs serious discussions on how these teams are currently constructed need to take place with honest admission about their rosters and very strong considerations to make bold moves. Both of teams do not need tweaks, their rosters are flawed. I agree with you. I looked at the top scorers in the playoffs and there were several Oilers listed. But, when I watched the games between the Knights and Oilers, it was clear that the Oiler defense was lacking and that the Knights were able to take advantage of that. It is really hard to put it all together. One good thing about game 6 was that the two teams did not engage in any dirty plays, even though apparently, both sides had reason to "get even". Perhaps, the coaches made it clear that there was to be none of that, if game 6 was to be won. So, Vegas won it on pure hockey skills. Vegas out worked em. |
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Post by Nikos on May 16, 2023 6:31:47 GMT -6
I agree with you. I looked at the top scorers in the playoffs and there were several Oilers listed. But, when I watched the games between the Knights and Oilers, it was clear that the Oiler defense was lacking and that the Knights were able to take advantage of that. It is really hard to put it all together. One good thing about game 6 was that the two teams did not engage in any dirty plays, even though apparently, both sides had reason to "get even". Perhaps, the coaches made it clear that there was to be none of that, if game 6 was to be won. So, Vegas won it on pure hockey skills. Vegas out worked em. I know sometimes we try to look deep at what went wrong, but you are right Knights just outworked the Oilers, particularly 5 on 5, not a lot of room. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 16, 2023 7:37:22 GMT -6
I know sometimes we try to look deep at what went wrong, but you are right Knights just outworked the Oilers, particularly 5 on 5, not a lot of room. That is a good point: no team lumbers into a cup; they have to put in the work ethic and I will give Vegas this: they have always seemed to go nose to the grindstone. As for the oil, call me a rat bastard but I am kinda hoping that McDavid never gets a cup. Best player in the league, but the management never is able to build the right team around him. |
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