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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 3, 2023 17:12:33 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 3, 2023 17:21:11 GMT -6
Very telling that King needs to go since it's been what, 4-5 years with him and nothing to show. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 3, 2023 17:34:54 GMT -6
Very telling that King needs to go since it's been what, 4-5 years with him and nothing to show. you get no argument from me. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 3, 2023 17:50:37 GMT -6
fingers crossed.
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Post by tincup on Dec 3, 2023 18:01:16 GMT -6
But last year when Rossi was getting his 1 point in 19 games Lukas was going 7+8 for 15 in 23. Taken over the entirety of both their short careers, Lukas has the advantage. Considering Rossi was taken 9th overall to Reichels 17th, not bad. Reichel has been disappointing this year but this team is so under talented and they were expecting the children to lead. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 3, 2023 18:14:22 GMT -6
When two teams who are about equal in the standings meet, it could be said that either team has an equal chance of winning. Well, in this one, the Hawks did not use their equal chance but instead lost another one. Altho, the first power play they had looked pretty good.
By the way, the Hawks are now tied with the Sharks for the fewest points in the league, altho the Hawks have a game in hand. They are right on track for getting the most ping pong balls in the drawing for first draft pick. Whether first, second or third pick this summer, who should they be chasing?
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 3, 2023 19:25:28 GMT -6
When two teams who are about equal in the standings meet, it could be said that either team has an equal chance of winning. Well, in this one, the Hawks did not use their equal chance but instead lost another one. Altho, the first power play they had looked pretty good. By the way, the Hawks are now tied with the Sharks for the fewest points in the league, altho the Hawks have a game in hand. They are right on track for getting the most ping pong balls in the drawing for first draft pick. Whether first, second or third pick this summer, who should they be chasing? I say they need to find some right handed D-men. Have plenty of lefties in the system to sift through. Maybe some large, fast skillful wingers. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 3, 2023 22:59:38 GMT -6
When two teams who are about equal in the standings meet, it could be said that either team has an equal chance of winning. Well, in this one, the Hawks did not use their equal chance but instead lost another one. Altho, the first power play they had looked pretty good. By the way, the Hawks are now tied with the Sharks for the fewest points in the league, altho the Hawks have a game in hand. They are right on track for getting the most ping pong balls in the drawing for first draft pick. Whether first, second or third pick this summer, who should they be chasing? I say they need to find some right handed D-men. Have plenty of lefties in the system to sift through. Maybe some large, fast skillful wingers. There's a lot the 'hawks need. The problem is how to get it. Some of the prospects could be used as assets, but no chance of sending out any of the vets. The good thing is: only Bedard, Chevy, Donatello, Murphy, Jones, Korch, Hall, AA, & Soder Popinski are signed beyond this season. We'll be going on 52M in cap space next year. That should give us quite a few players, especially under 30, that we can make a run at to help bolster the roster. The tough part is landing said players without losing the best of our propsect pool. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 3, 2023 23:16:40 GMT -6
I say they need to find some right handed D-men. Have plenty of lefties in the system to sift through. Maybe some large, fast skillful wingers. There's a lot the 'hawks need. The problem is how to get it. Some of the prospects could be used as assets, but no chance of sending out any of the vets. The good thing is: only Bedard, Chevy, Donatello, Murphy, Jones, Korch, Hall, AA, & Soder Popinski are signed beyond this season. We'll be going on 52M in cap space next year. That should give us quite a few players, especially under 30, that we can make a run at to help bolster the roster. The tough part is landing said players without losing the best of our propsect pool. Now, there's a crew on which to rebuild the franchise. They have nothing to trade except their good prospects, so they can't pick up vets without losing prospects. They'll have to acquire good free agents and hope that the prospects work out very well. Those are some chancy hopes. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 4, 2023 0:50:29 GMT -6
No way you guys. There're several good mid-price UFA signing every summer,we just ain't signed none of em the last few years or flipped em if we did.
The team's unique ability to take on a short-term contract or two in trade or dangle one of eight 2nd's or God forbid,one of FIVE 1st's the next three drafts should ensure a few quality young players with only surplus/lesser grade prospects going-out......if any.
The unprecedented amounts of cap-space and early round picks still coming should guarantee the team the luxury of not trading OR rushing any quality prospect while still improving roster quality by a good margin.
The team will HAVE to spend over 32 million just to reach the floor next year with 7 players signed and only Vlasic and Reichel due reasonable deals.
NOT improving next year would almost have to be intentional..........the potential to is huge!
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Post by hsbob on Dec 4, 2023 1:12:40 GMT -6
Very telling that King needs to go since it's been what, 4-5 years with him and nothing to show. LR brings a lot to the table IMO,but the hard-nosed,1,000 game plus,former NHL D-man is a defensive specialist as expected and a better AC running the O and the PP might be in order soon. What's Denny Savard doin'? They showed St-Louis working with Caufield after practice during the Wings/Habs game the day before on pulling the puck into his body before he shoots and he did exactly that in the 3rd.... www.nhl.com/video/recap-red-wings-at-canadiens-12-2-23-6342272898112Coaching matters with young players. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 4, 2023 9:33:31 GMT -6
No way you guys. There're several good mid-price UFA signing every summer,we just ain't signed none of em the last few years or flipped em if we did. The team's unique ability to take on a short-term contract or two in trade or dangle one of eight 2nd's or God forbid,one of FIVE 1st's the next three drafts should ensure a few quality young players with only surplus/lesser grade prospects going-out......if any. The unprecedented amounts of cap-space and early round picks still coming should guarantee the team the luxury of not trading OR rushing any quality prospect while still improving roster quality by a good margin. The team will HAVE to spend over 32 million just to reach the floor next year with 7 players signed and only Vlasic and Reichel due reasonable deals. NOT improving next year would almost have to be intentional..........the potential to is huge! Agreed. Except Reichel is playing his way out of a decent extension. Vlassic loss solid though and should get a decent, earned, raise. I think BigT was spitballing about picking up Nylander the Greater. That would be a hell of a move if KD could pull it off. Kills a couple of stones with one bird. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 4, 2023 11:11:54 GMT -6
Very telling that King needs to go since it's been what, 4-5 years with him and nothing to show. LR brings a lot to the table IMO,but the hard-nosed,1,000 game plus,former NHL D-man is a defensive specialist as expected and a better AC running the O and the PP might be in order soon. What's Denny Savard doin'? They showed St-Louis working with Caufield after practice during the Wings/Habs game the day before on pulling the puck into his body before he shoots and he did exactly that in the 3rd.... www.nhl.com/video/recap-red-wings-at-canadiens-12-2-23-6342272898112Coaching matters with young players. Bring Savard back to play center on the second line. He would make this team so much better. Incidentally, I really liked Savard back when he used to play for the Hawks. There was a guy who could bring excitement to the game. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 4, 2023 11:13:51 GMT -6
No way you guys. There're several good mid-price UFA signing every summer,we just ain't signed none of em the last few years or flipped em if we did. The team's unique ability to take on a short-term contract or two in trade or dangle one of eight 2nd's or God forbid,one of FIVE 1st's the next three drafts should ensure a few quality young players with only surplus/lesser grade prospects going-out......if any. The unprecedented amounts of cap-space and early round picks still coming should guarantee the team the luxury of not trading OR rushing any quality prospect while still improving roster quality by a good margin. The team will HAVE to spend over 32 million just to reach the floor next year with 7 players signed and only Vlasic and Reichel due reasonable deals. NOT improving next year would almost have to be intentional..........the potential to is huge! Agreed. Except Reichel is playing his way out of a decent extension. Vlassic loss solid though and should get a decent, earned, raise. I think BigT was spitballing about picking up Nylander the Greater. That would be a hell of a move if KD could pull it off. Kills a couple of stones with one bird. I have seen several articles about how Nylander the Greater is paid way more than he puts out. Of course, I realize that it is easy, these days. to find articles are critical and that are favorable. But, there is a reason why that team continually chokes, including losing twice this year to the second worst team in the league. Personally, I think there is some something toxic about players who wear the Toronto sweater. All that talent and they still suck. There has got to be a lot of bad attitudes on that squad. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 4, 2023 11:21:08 GMT -6
No way you guys. There're several good mid-price UFA signing every summer,we just ain't signed none of em the last few years or flipped em if we did. The team's unique ability to take on a short-term contract or two in trade or dangle one of eight 2nd's or God forbid,one of FIVE 1st's the next three drafts should ensure a few quality young players with only surplus/lesser grade prospects going-out......if any. The unprecedented amounts of cap-space and early round picks still coming should guarantee the team the luxury of not trading OR rushing any quality prospect while still improving roster quality by a good margin. The team will HAVE to spend over 32 million just to reach the floor next year with 7 players signed and only Vlasic and Reichel due reasonable deals. NOT improving next year would almost have to be intentional..........the potential to is huge! I totally agree that, at some point, the Hawks will have to bring on some guys who have proven they can succeed in the NHL, even if they aren't Ross candidates. The price will be giving up some of the prospects. The trick will be not trading the prospects who are going to succeed. Unfortunately, that involves bringing out the old crystal ball, which doesn't always give the best vision. Of course, they can also go only with the free agent scene, but that involves still having a bunch of prospects that won't be playing, or, worse yet, won't cut it. It might be better to roll the dice and trade them now to get some players they know can cut it in the NHL. Then, get the free agents, as money will allow, and shove off for the promised land. To me, it will take trades to reduce the prospect pool and signing free agents to complete the "rebuild". |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 4, 2023 12:30:37 GMT -6
No way you guys. There're several good mid-price UFA signing every summer,we just ain't signed none of em the last few years or flipped em if we did. The team's unique ability to take on a short-term contract or two in trade or dangle one of eight 2nd's or God forbid,one of FIVE 1st's the next three drafts should ensure a few quality young players with only surplus/lesser grade prospects going-out......if any. The unprecedented amounts of cap-space and early round picks still coming should guarantee the team the luxury of not trading OR rushing any quality prospect while still improving roster quality by a good margin. The team will HAVE to spend over 32 million just to reach the floor next year with 7 players signed and only Vlasic and Reichel due reasonable deals. NOT improving next year would almost have to be intentional..........the potential to is huge! I totally agree that, at some point, the Hawks will have to bring on some guys who have proven they can succeed in the NHL, even if they aren't Ross candidates. The price will be giving up some of the prospects. The trick will be not trading the prospects who are going to succeed. Unfortunately, that involves bringing out the old crystal ball, which doesn't always give the best vision. Of course, they can also go only with the free agent scene, but that involves still having a bunch of prospects that won't be playing, or, worse yet, won't cut it. It might be better to roll the dice and trade them now to get some players they know can cut it in the NHL. Then, get the free agents, as money will allow, and shove off for the promised land. To me, it will take trades to reduce the prospect pool and signing free agents to complete the "rebuild". I've pointed out the ways the team can improve without losing any prospects jack, but some redundancies occur in every system and the less valuable prospect CAN be traded but don't need to be. They can't rely on a crystal ball when deciding a prospect's value either,nobody has one of those. They'll have to rely on solid player assessment. The team has the ability to take-on a few short-term contracts to help teams out and these always bring a return,as do players who've been signed and flipped as we've seen but the returns can be young,ready players instead of picks only as we've also seen. The team ate money and got picks back for two useful,fairly young players,Dickinson and 'Beau'.........include picks or eat a bit more money and those acquisitions are higher quality players.....guaranteed. Many teams are right against the cap with empty draft cupboards and will HAVE to shed quality,young players because of it and no team in the league is better positioned than the Hawks to take advantage of it! Not even close! Trading prospects now would be 'rolling the dice' and it's a gamble the team shouldn't and doesn't have to take to just become competitive. Some good trades and FA signings will be necessary at some point to reach a level beyond just being competitive but a top-rated system with three more hauls coming WILL produce useful,young players. We won't know how useful for a while yet though.......I'll give you that. I've also pointed out the team HAS to spend over 31M just to reach the floor next year,you can improve a team by spending 31M correctly........would you agree? Look at the UFA signings last year,many late in the summer and tell me the 14M plus spent on Hall,AA and Perry couldn't have improved the team this year if that was the intention......I HOPE it wasn't. T Johnson's 5M will be gone and can be spent much more usefully......I'm sure you'd agree. Zaitsev and Tinordi clear another 6.75M and can be replaced by cheap ELC kids.........6.75M still fetches a 'JIM DANDY' of an UFA D-man my friend. Players don't have to be old to become UFA's either,many reach UFA status at 26-27. The team has the ability to become competitive whenever they decide to w/o hindering their future one bit and they'll have to at some point soon IMO. Bedard's a smart enough kid to know what's going on with the team and I'm sure he sees the same ability to improve that I do but he does look frustrated after only two months of irrelevance.......how frustrated will he look after two more years of it? Eichel level? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2023 8:45:51 GMT -6
Agreed. Except Reichel is playing his way out of a decent extension. Vlassic loss solid though and should get a decent, earned, raise. I think BigT was spitballing about picking up Nylander the Greater. That would be a hell of a move if KD could pull it off. Kills a couple of stones with one bird. Of course, I realize that it is easy, these days. to find articles are critical and that are favorable. But, there is a reason why that team continually chokes, including losing twice this year to the second worst team in the league. Personally, I think there is some something toxic about players who wear the Toronto sweater. All that talent and they still suck. There has got to be a lot of bad attitudes on that squad. And that is different than Jones how? For that matter, it describes most of the team. In all seriousness, for rebuilding squads you have to pay a bit more for some high-end player... Just like we did for Brian Campbell 1st go-around. I am okay with that; we got the cap to do so. Even so, it doesn't have to be Nylander proper; just someone who can play closer to Bedard's level than what we got. Plus, sometimes the whole change of scenery works. I wouldn't discount a player from a perennial choking team; they may want out. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 5, 2023 12:39:55 GMT -6
I have seen several articles about how Nylander the Greater is paid way more than he puts out. Of course, I realize that it is easy, these days. to find articles are critical and that are favorable. But, there is a reason why that team continually chokes, including losing twice this year to the second worst team in the league. Personally, I think there is some something toxic about players who wear the Toronto sweater. All that talent and they still suck. There has got to be a lot of bad attitudes on that squad. And that is different than Jones how? For that matter, it describes most of the team. In all seriousness, for rebuilding squads you have to pay a bit more for some high-end player... Just like we did for Brian Campbell 1st go-around. I am okay with that; we got the cap to do so. Even so, it doesn't have to be Nylander proper; just someone who can play closer to Bedard's level than what we got. Plus, sometimes the whole change of scenery works. I wouldn't discount a player from a perennial choking team; they may want out. Toronto will have to chose this summer and if they re-do 'Willy',is the one year younger,better two-way and PK capable forward Marner available? He'll have one left @10.9M but he's coming off consecutive 30+/90+ seasons to go along with that two-way game. I doubt the FO sees the team at the 'big splash' point yet though and they're probably right. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2023 19:45:03 GMT -6
And that is different than Jones how? For that matter, it describes most of the team. In all seriousness, for rebuilding squads you have to pay a bit more for some high-end player... Just like we did for Brian Campbell 1st go-around. I am okay with that; we got the cap to do so. Even so, it doesn't have to be Nylander proper; just someone who can play closer to Bedard's level than what we got. Plus, sometimes the whole change of scenery works. I wouldn't discount a player from a perennial choking team; they may want out. Toronto will have to chose this summer and if they re-do 'Willy',is the one year younger,better two-way and PK capable forward Marner available? He'll have one left @10.9M but he's coming off consecutive 30+/90+ seasons to go along with that two-way game. I doubt the FO sees the team at the 'big splash' point yet though and they're probably right. Maybe they don't, but like you and others have said, we can't build everything from prospects and the draft. So I'm hoping Kyle from Chicago realistically assesses the team and stats thinking, "Okay, it's less likely that xxx position can be filled in from the prospect pool; let's sign a proven player... We have the cap." |
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