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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 25, 2024 16:29:18 GMT -6
Looking at the d-core of the future - 2-3 years from now - we'll have plenty of size: Vlassic - 6'6" Jones - 6'4" Rinzel - 6'4" del Mastro - 6'3" Allan - 6'2" Korchinski - 6'1" Kaiser - 6'0" If we don't win the lottery and take Celebrini, maybe we get one of: Levshunov - 6'3" Parekh - 6'0" So I don't think acquiring more size for the backend is necessary. If not size, then a RHD stay-at-home-defenseman who is effective in the backend to compliment Korch. A Righty Vlassic or Hjammer--or a perfect Hjammer clone who can play the offhand. Just....not another Gustaffson or Runblad. I know things rarely go like clockwork as planned - but if they were - I think the timing of Murphy's deal ending after the 2025/26 season may match up well with Rinzel starting his NHL career after spending 2024/25 in college and 2025/26 in the AHL. There would still be 4 seasons remaining on Jones' and Vlassic's deals and KK would be just starting his post-ELC deal. Depending how quickly Rinzel adapts to the NHL - Jones-Vlassic and KK-Rinzel could be a pretty good top-4. All of them with size and good skating.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 25, 2024 17:55:43 GMT -6
vlasic has a 10 team no-trade list that kicks in the last 2 years of his contract. i'd be curious which 10 teams a young guy with 97 nhl games under his belt would chose? www.capfriendly.com/players/alex-vlasic
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Post by hsbob on Apr 25, 2024 18:56:11 GMT -6
Highly talented,large-framed players are either a veritable unicorn or a Scott/Bollig type? I have to disagree with you on this. Buffalo aqcuired both Thompson and Tuch through trade. Philly landed Tippett Vegas got Eichel,Stone and Hertl through trade The Oil got Hyman The Jets got Toffoli Nick Paul has played very well for TB These are current examples from just a few teams,there are others.....and they'll be others to come. Okay, so for the sake of the argument, with respect who is available on the trade market right now, what are the assets we can offer, realistically, for those larger players with a good enough talent and size? Also, when I was talking veritable unicorn, I was talking prime Hedman-type--for the record. That level of size+talent doesn't hit the trade market often, if at all. I've listed example after example of the bigger forwards I'd like to target and the assets we can offer are two surplus 1st round picks and five surplus 2nd rounders over the next three drafts and maybe a LS D-prospect or two since five of the six D-prospects under contract are LS. Of course Tampa ain't trading their #1 D-man but how many large-framed top pair D-men did the Preds trade? Weber,Suter,Jones,Suban and Ekholm were all moved and most of em were in the Norris conversation or actually won it. We'll add size later has been the mantra but later rarely comes........maybe they are unicorns.....for us. I think as far as the Hawks are concerned,we're talkin' forwards with size and skill........you know,guys like Eichel,Stone,M Tkachuk and Reinhart all acquired through trade. Later was 'now' for the Las Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers. Fla also added talented and tough as shit Sam Bennett through trade and he'll be available this summer along with Anton Lundell. Fla already gave Forsling a big raise but the one's due Reinhart and Montour will be more sizable,25yro center Luostaninen's new 3M deal starts next year too.....no room at the inn for Lundell or Bennet.......I assure you. Same'll go for Shane Pinto.
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Post by BigT on Apr 25, 2024 20:18:36 GMT -6
vlasic has a 10 team no-trade list that kicks in the last 2 years of his contract. i'd be curious which 10 teams a young guy with 97 nhl games under his belt would chose? www.capfriendly.com/players/alex-vlasicI never really understood the NMC in the NHL I asked a buddy last summer who plays in the NHL. He said something along the lines of you cannot get a NMC on your 2nd contract unleash is 5 years or more? Maybe I didn’t understand him. But I didn’t understand much that night. So basically if you sign for 4 years or less. It may have been 5 years or less. You cannot have a NMC. So it’s basically reserved for vets in the league. Maybe you could use your google magic and find the rule!!!
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Post by BigT on Apr 25, 2024 20:22:10 GMT -6
Ok. So I asked my biuddy and the rule is 7 years of NHL service or Age 27. I guess I was banged up that night!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2024 8:45:09 GMT -6
Okay, so for the sake of the argument, with respect who is available on the trade market right now, what are the assets we can offer, realistically, for those larger players with a good enough talent and size? Also, when I was talking veritable unicorn, I was talking prime Hedman-type--for the record. That level of size+talent doesn't hit the trade market often, if at all. I've listed example after example of the bigger forwards I'd like to target and the assets we can offer are two surplus 1st round picks and five surplus 2nd rounders over the next three drafts and maybe a LS D-prospect or two since five of the six D-prospects under contract are LS. Of course Tampa ain't trading their #1 D-man but how many large-framed top pair D-men did the Preds trade? Weber,Suter,Jones,Suban and Ekholm were all moved and most of em were in the Norris conversation or actually won it. We'll add size later has been the mantra but later rarely comes........maybe they are unicorns.....for us. I think as far as the Hawks are concerned,we're talkin' forwards with size and skill........you know,guys like Eichel,Stone,M Tkachuk and Reinhart all acquired through trade. Later was 'now' for the Las Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers. Fla also added talented and tough as shit Sam Bennett through trade and he'll be available this summer along with Anton Lundell. Fla already gave Forsling a big raise but the one's due Reinhart and Montour will be more sizable,25yro center Luostaninen's new 3M deal starts next year too.....no room at the inn for Lundell or Bennet.......I assure you. Same'll go for Shane Pinto. If that happens for us, great! I'm still leery on the idea that the right player at the right time falls to us. But, then again, we did get Bedard and I did watch the draft lottery in the entirety, and it didn't look like there way any funny business--as well as too many people involved the keep quiet if there was.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2024 8:48:05 GMT -6
If not size, then a RHD stay-at-home-defenseman who is effective in the backend to compliment Korch. A Righty Vlassic or Hjammer--or a perfect Hjammer clone who can play the offhand. Just....not another Gustaffson or Runblad. I know things rarely go like clockwork as planned - but if they were - I think the timing of Murphy's deal ending after the 2025/26 season may match up well with Rinzel starting his NHL career after spending 2024/25 in college and 2025/26 in the AHL. There would still be 4 seasons remaining on Jones' and Vlassic's deals and KK would be just starting his post-ELC deal. Depending how quickly Rinzel adapts to the NHL - Jones-Vlassic and KK-Rinzel could be a pretty good top-4. All of them with size and good skating. Assuming Rinzel pans out, of course. At one point everyone was high on Makarov breaking into the league for us. That worked about as well as a 1983 Daihatsu Charade missing a sparkplug.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 26, 2024 9:25:18 GMT -6
I've listed example after example of the bigger forwards I'd like to target and the assets we can offer are two surplus 1st round picks and five surplus 2nd rounders over the next three drafts and maybe a LS D-prospect or two since five of the six D-prospects under contract are LS. Of course Tampa ain't trading their #1 D-man but how many large-framed top pair D-men did the Preds trade? Weber,Suter,Jones,Suban and Ekholm were all moved and most of em were in the Norris conversation or actually won it. We'll add size later has been the mantra but later rarely comes........maybe they are unicorns.....for us. I think as far as the Hawks are concerned,we're talkin' forwards with size and skill........you know,guys like Eichel,Stone,M Tkachuk and Reinhart all acquired through trade. Later was 'now' for the Las Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers. Fla also added talented and tough as shit Sam Bennett through trade and he'll be available this summer along with Anton Lundell. Fla already gave Forsling a big raise but the one's due Reinhart and Montour will be more sizable,25yro center Luostaninen's new 3M deal starts next year too.....no room at the inn for Lundell or Bennet.......I assure you. Same'll go for Shane Pinto. If that happens for us, great! I'm still leery on the idea that the right player at the right time falls to us. But, then again, we did get Bedard and I did watch the draft lottery in the entirety, and it didn't look like there way any funny business--as well as too many people involved the keep quiet if there was. Good,young players never fall to ya,good GM's will scout,assess and pursue the one they figure fills a need and might be available with the right offer. TB went down 3-0 last night but not before Nick Paul pulled em within one with a little over 5mins to go. They nabbed the 6'3" 230lb forward from the Sens for Joeseph and a 4th back in '22' and never looked back. As far as winning the Bedard lottery,I see no funny business at all,as a matter of fact,I'd bet the league was rooting against the Hawks.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2024 9:51:36 GMT -6
If that happens for us, great! I'm still leery on the idea that the right player at the right time falls to us. But, then again, we did get Bedard and I did watch the draft lottery in the entirety, and it didn't look like there way any funny business--as well as too many people involved the keep quiet if there was. Good,young players never fall to ya,good GM's will scout,assess and pursue the one they figure fills a need and might be available with the right offer. TB went down 3-0 last night but not before Nick Paul pulled em within one with a little over 5mins to go. They nabbed the 6'3" 230lb forward from the Sens for Joeseph and a 4th back in '22' and never looked back. As far as winning the Bedard lottery,I see no funny business at all,as a matter of fact,I'd bet the league was rooting against the Hawks. I think it depends on who you ask. The "league rooting against the 'hawks" camp looked at the recent scandals and think that if the fix was in, it wouldn't go to Chicago. The "league rooting for the 'hawks" camp saw a very large market dwindling and want to bring a superstar back to boost league revenue. I saw it as a shit-tonne of lawyers in a room with Bettman, name and organization identified, do the lottery draw. Occam's Razor says that wasn't rigged because there were too many people to keep quiet if it was, and it that leaked out there would be legal repercussions. i.e. I agree with you there. As for the rest, all I can do is hope for the best and that KD & Co will do what they can with the hands they are dealt to build us a winner, even if I can be cynical about things falling into place at the right time for us.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 26, 2024 9:53:02 GMT -6
vlasic has a 10 team no-trade list that kicks in the last 2 years of his contract. i'd be curious which 10 teams a young guy with 97 nhl games under his belt would chose? www.capfriendly.com/players/alex-vlasicI may be wrong here, but I think that the team lists are either drawn up before the season or at the time of a movement request. So, in those last two years I wonder if it would be teams where he would be in the lineup or top-4, or a contender, or maybe even where he could be top dog.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 26, 2024 11:06:03 GMT -6
I know things rarely go like clockwork as planned - but if they were - I think the timing of Murphy's deal ending after the 2025/26 season may match up well with Rinzel starting his NHL career after spending 2024/25 in college and 2025/26 in the AHL. There would still be 4 seasons remaining on Jones' and Vlassic's deals and KK would be just starting his post-ELC deal. Depending how quickly Rinzel adapts to the NHL - Jones-Vlassic and KK-Rinzel could be a pretty good top-4. All of them with size and good skating. Assuming Rinzel pans out, of course. At one point everyone was high on Makarov breaking into the league for us. That worked about as well as a 1983 Daihatsu Charade missing a sparkplug. Oh the Mac attack guilty as charged. Had a good 5 min chat with Troy about him back when prospect camp was out in Bensenville. I dont underestimate the language and culture barrier anymore either.
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Post by Granada on Apr 29, 2024 8:34:15 GMT -6
Good move - shades of Hammer-type, that $4.6 could be an enormous bargain if his offense blossoms. Here’s hoping that we see one of the many young-D who’ve had cups of coffee claim a top 4, or top 6 at worst role in the 2024-2025 season. Nice to have him locked up at that price. There is always risk when locking up young players quickly (regression -- see Colin Dehlia), but in Vlasic's case, this feels like a no-brainer and a safe bet. Bit surprised it's for 6 and not 4 though, for both sides.
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Post by Granada on Apr 29, 2024 8:36:42 GMT -6
Wow gonna be a fun off-season. Enjoying the back and forth and all of you guys are right. I am a fan of Lards also I believe its harder to special talent on a team that could be Lard but also him 98 and Nascar are all gonna need a big body to play with them. I think its easier to get the big body later than the specialty skill player. Now if we could get a true top power forward that would be great also. we need the younger Tkachuk to decide he doesn't want to play in Canada either and then offer Ottawa whatever they want for him. Absolutely. I'd love either Tkachuk on this team of course, but Matthew isn't going anywhere. Hawks should do whatever they can to get Brady, if he's available.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 29, 2024 10:16:04 GMT -6
Good move - shades of Hammer-type, that $4.6 could be an enormous bargain if his offense blossoms. Here’s hoping that we see one of the many young-D who’ve had cups of coffee claim a top 4, or top 6 at worst role in the 2024-2025 season. Nice to have him locked up at that price. There is always risk when locking up young players quickly (regression -- see Colin Dehlia), but in Vlasic's case, this feels like a no-brainer and a safe bet. Bit surprised it's for 6 and not 4 though, for both sides. Delia? He was an undrafted goalie who's biggest contact in Chicago was 3yrs at 1 million per.
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Post by Granada on Apr 29, 2024 10:49:31 GMT -6
Nice to have him locked up at that price. There is always risk when locking up young players quickly (regression -- see Colin Dehlia), but in Vlasic's case, this feels like a no-brainer and a safe bet. Bit surprised it's for 6 and not 4 though, for both sides. Delia? He was an undrafted goalie who's biggest contact in Chicago was 3yrs at 1 million per. Right, but Bowman locking him up for 3 years after such a small sample size was risky. And even at 1 million per, it backfired, obviously.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 7, 2024 12:06:39 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit.
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Post by guest on May 7, 2024 12:18:18 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit. 1.2 per season......after last season I'm not sure he warranted a pay increase.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 7, 2024 12:24:51 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit. Meh. deal. Probably should have been 1yr to prove it. Could have been worse.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 7, 2024 12:26:07 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit. 1.2 per season......after last season I'm not sure he warranted a pay increase. Cap floor is the saving grace for it. I think it's still mostly buriable. I think it should have been 1 year.
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Post by Hockey is great on May 7, 2024 12:47:12 GMT -6
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Post by Hockey is great on May 7, 2024 12:47:54 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit. 1.2 per season......after last season I'm not sure he warranted a pay increase. two year deal would give a pay bump
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 7, 2024 14:18:07 GMT -6
I like the deal for Reichel - especially the 2-year term because for a guy who struggles with confidence it gives him that 1st year to have less pressure on him to make it or break it on a 1-year deal. He has the skills - he just needs confidence to lay it on the line every game.
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Post by BigT on May 7, 2024 14:45:01 GMT -6
It’s a good deal. He probably is overpaid at this point. But it won’t hurt at all.
Imagine failing and getting a raise? Nothing like failing up!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 7, 2024 16:37:06 GMT -6
No 5*5 for Lucas LOL
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Post by BigT on May 7, 2024 17:04:07 GMT -6
No one seen him hitting rock bottom this bad. That was an awful year. And in a contract year. He was on pace for 50+ points last year. And literally blew that all to hell, in a contract year to boot!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 7, 2024 17:46:35 GMT -6
Reichel signed for 2yrs, 1.2mill cap hit. I like it.
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Post by shooter61 on May 7, 2024 18:18:34 GMT -6
I was hopping another year longer, at say 1.5, not like we need the money, then I think we would know for sure, if not by then kick his ass to the curb lol
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Post by T-man2010 on May 7, 2024 18:28:10 GMT -6
I was hopping another year longer, at say 1.5, not like we need the money, then I think we would know for sure, if not by then kick his ass to the curb lol Then he can decide if he wants to be a career AHL'er or back to Germany.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 7, 2024 19:39:01 GMT -6
I was hopping another year longer, at say 1.5, not like we need the money, then I think we would know for sure, if not by then kick his ass to the curb lol Then he can decide if he wants to be a career AHL'er or back to Germany. Methinks that Reichel will be fine. But who knows, he may be taking over Dieter as the host of Sprockets in a couple of years.
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Post by BigT on May 8, 2024 7:13:13 GMT -6
A lot of rumours swirling over the past 24-48 hours of a Marner for Seth deal. I know it would be tough to get both to waive their NMC. But it’s picking up steam with even Friedman talking about it.
Now, if this were to happen. Is Marner even worth re-signing? Or would he play out his deal and limp back to Toronta?
In the end, it clears cap space for the Hawks if that were to happen. I’d suspect that if is did happen, that the Hawks would want a new deal in place. And it may be costly. Probably 12 million per year. Not sure if that’s worth it as Bedard will get pretty much the same thing. So it is worth discussing!!!
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