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Post by tincup on Apr 28, 2020 22:27:02 GMT -6
You guys oughta' see the length of my hair right now. Let's put it this way, Graham Nash comes to mind. Shhh, my wife wants to get hedge clippers and cup my locks while I sleep... ...the saga continues.... Damn, sad to say I’m starting to resemble David Crosby. If there is a Stephen Stills out there we can get the band back together. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 28, 2020 23:06:32 GMT -6
I don’t think I’d want either as GM as they’re both raw in that position. However, if they were the President, that’d be cool. i totally agree, but would prefer edzo over chelios but if it was chelios it'd be much better than a bean counter sports executive. (chelios may have counted a few beans in his restaurant so i have to use a different term). edit: upon further review, idk if chelios would be a good pick. too many people still hate the guy. |
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Post by gigecj on Apr 29, 2020 5:36:56 GMT -6
Would love to have Eddie O as GM as long he really would want to give it his all because he would love it however. If he's going through the motions because he feels he can't say no, then I'd say no. The Chili Man? I'd say no in any case. That said, I would be interested in how he would mold a team, but I think he'd be too much of a "throwback" GM kinda like that Milbury guy, only smarter. I don’t think I’d want either as GM as they’re both raw in that position. However, if they were the President, that’d be cool. I think they had to lop the head off the top guy before they went after the rest. Can’t be caught unaware and not ready. At least for now they got the other positions covered. Now they can replace the President and let the new guy make the decision on Stan. Either way, this is a grand start. McD was a Stan apologist, and that’s were the problems started. I hope all is well out on the west coast. Good to see ya back!!! Wasn't The Tallon raw when taking over the Hawks? Wasn't he also doing the same color commentary? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 6:02:00 GMT -6
I don’t think I’d want either as GM as they’re both raw in that position. However, if they were the President, that’d be cool. I think they had to lop the head off the top guy before they went after the rest. Can’t be caught unaware and not ready. At least for now they got the other positions covered. Now they can replace the President and let the new guy make the decision on Stan. Either way, this is a grand start. McD was a Stan apologist, and that’s were the problems started. I hope all is well out on the west coast. Good to see ya back!!! Wasn't The Tallon raw when taking over the Hawks? Wasn't he also doing the same color commentary? not really, gig. a quick wiki search says he retired from hockey in 79/80 and was in the broadcast game for 16 seasons after that. from '98 until 2002 he was director of player personnel, and then assistant g.m. until 2005, bumping out bob pulford. so, in 7 years he made his way to g.m. after joining the front office. i wouldn't say raw, maybe just blood rare. : ) |
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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2020 7:30:20 GMT -6
At least Edzo was a coach in the NHL and he understands roster moves and chemistry in a dressing room. Plus being a player sure helps.
Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. If either were named President, I’d be happy it was a hockey guy.
I am going to take Phil’s advice and email Rocky. I don’t know if he’ll ever read it. I’m not going to be rude at all, just tell him he needs this to be run by smart hockey people and that I appreciate that he will make a tough decision to better the team!!!
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Post by hsbob on Apr 29, 2020 7:39:39 GMT -6
I watched the boys win the '10'cup again, the '13'&'15' game sevens againgawd dammit!! i missed 2 games??!? edit: just hackin' you bobby boy. not much else to do here these days other than pick apart other people's posts. : ) LOFL is right my friend,my head is clearer on some things than it is on others here recently......IMO,one of the Hawks greatest accomplishments is never being extended in the SCF! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 7:48:20 GMT -6
gawd dammit!! i missed 2 games??!? edit: just hackin' you bobby boy. not much else to do here these days other than pick apart other people's posts. : ) LOFL is right my friend,my head is clearer on some things than it is on others here recently......IMO,one of the Hawks greatest accomplishments is never being extended in the SCF! bob. that's a GREAT reply. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 29, 2020 7:58:35 GMT -6
LOFL is right my friend,my head is clearer on some things than it is on others here recently......IMO,one of the Hawks greatest accomplishments is never being extended in the SCF! bob. that's a GREAT reply. Thanks buddy.....I thought I was just coverin' my ass! When I consider neither Phily,Boston or Tampa were even able to 'hold serve' in those final series,they're that much more impressive. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 8:02:39 GMT -6
bob. that's a GREAT reply. Thanks buddy.....I thought I was just coverin' my ass! When I consider neither Phily,Boston or Tampa were even able to 'hold serve' in those final series,they're that much more impressive. you covered it well. impressive on all accounts. : ) |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 29, 2020 8:17:33 GMT -6
At least Edzo was a coach in the NHL and he understands roster moves and chemistry in a dressing room. Plus being a player sure helps. Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. If either were named President, I’d be happy it was a hockey guy. I am going to take Phil’s advice and email Rocky. I don’t know if he’ll ever read it. I’m not going to be rude at all, just tell him he needs this to be run by smart hockey people and that I appreciate that he will make a tough decision to better the team!!! I've had a complicated relationship with Edzo,LOL! I remember poking fun at him when I saw him teary-eyed on his draft day(I was younger and dumber),I recall using the 'Eddie no check' mantra a few times during his playing days(that's just me I guess),I haven't always enjoyed the shits and giggles we hear during games but the truth remains.... Ed Olczyk was a good player and he knows the game inside out,upside down and right side up. I can tire of the "stop it right there's' and Edzo does have an ability to flaunt his hockey knowledge a bit but his hockey knowledge is undeniable and I think he'd be a good exec. Cheli's a tough call for so many reasons but his playing career,his on-ice toughness and some practical experience could prepare him well. The last 3 or 4 summers have all been crossroads for the Hawks,let's hope the right path is chosen THIS time! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 29, 2020 8:22:47 GMT -6
Just wondering how everyone's doing without ANY sports whatsoever. Please share. Me? I don't like it, but I'm sort of getting used to it and I wonder if this wouldn't be a semi-killer of sports as we know it. Many people may have reset their priorities during these times. Sports has had the upper hand in the minds of many. Yeah, it's been almost cult-like for a myriad of folk. Take away that aspect and there won't be the "Want to" to spend ridiculous amounts of coinage for season tickets, concessions, etc. Then, throw in the "life can be cut short just like that" perspective and it can really mess with priorities. Just my take... Honestly...fine. There's been a couple of video games I've been aching to play that came out, and the rest I've just been indulging more in my hobbies--like photography. Other than that working, just from home, so SSDD. No hair issues here since I already have long hair (contractually obligated to do the windmill whenever I hear Slayer's "Raining Blood"  ). I think when sports come back there will be some change overall for everyone but I don't feel I personally was that Cult-like to being with. I wasn't one of those who did fantasy sports--much less religiously and made/lost money off of them. It was a diversion not much different than a TV show or going to a movie. If anything my wife and I are itching to road-trip and get away from work for awhile. So that's probably the 1st thing we do when this blows over. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 8:24:45 GMT -6
Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. but will the fan base have patience with a guy like chelios ? you know he's not going to start winning on day 1. i gotta' be honest. i'm going to sound like a fool here, but somehow along the lines i somehow missed the "hate chelios" thing. i was 39 when he left the hawks....well into the age of internet and all that...somehow i must have missed the whole story about chris chelios at the time. now....in my later years i'm aware of what happened, but it doesn't carry much of a "bite" somehow, for me at least fan poll. is chelios hated here? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 8:27:35 GMT -6
The last 3 or 4 summers have all been crossroads for the Hawks,let's hope the right path is chosen THIS time! A - MEN. |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 29, 2020 9:05:16 GMT -6
Thanks T. It was kinda just everything we know and mention here though. I guess maybe making us to look like great hockey minds. All kidding aside. McD had to go because he was enabling some under him. The club certainly hasn't taken on what Wirtz believed he was building in Chicago I think. Rocky wants to win period. Making money is always the mandate. Let's face it though Rocky has always stood for a winning culture. His ego is likely as big if not bigger than other owners. I also don't believe Rocky can stand for the team continuing to slide into a bottom of the league slot. We all know that as of 2015 this was the best franchise in hockey. The other teams contesting that at the time Pittsburgh, Boston. Have gone on to be reputable contenders in the league. McD was a marketer. He had the ability to promote the team and did well. He likely however is no real hockey mind. Instead he likely left that solely to SB. What if the power struggle originated between Stan and Danny. McD thinking he smarter than he actually is decided to side against Danny in Stan's favor. It's as likely a scenario as any other Honestly I don't care that McD is gone as long as it doesn't stop there. I would like to go way out on a limb and suggest that the next president be someone like Mark Hunter. I know that he only owns a CHL franchise but lots of hockey experience there to draw from. I think it would be dangerous to simply bring in someone from the Chicago landscape if that's the only reason for hiring them. I know the fear that bringing Hunter in might cause some. Thoughts that he may put his family in positions of strength. That could happen to an extent as Dale Hunter is a proven coach and in a new job who would anyone trust other than family with proven credentials. Really like I said it doesn't matter as long as Stanley and crew get shown the door. Let's hope this is a sign of things to come. Not to simply have a team that can win enough to keep it interesting but to return to the winning culture that was once being built in Chicago BlackHawks history. I don't think Danny stays as most are assuming. He is already hands on in most every aspect of a Billion dollar business. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 9:11:42 GMT -6
If anything my wife and I are itching to road-trip and get away from work for awhile. So that's probably the 1st thing we do when this blows over. you're in the pacific NW right? just wondering where your road trip might take you? and to make it a challenge as well as keeping it on topic, try and keep your answer mcdonough related. : ) |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 29, 2020 9:19:10 GMT -6
Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. but will the fan base have patience with a guy like chelios ? you know he's not going to start winning on day 1. i gotta' be honest. i'm going to sound like a fool here, but somehow along the lines i somehow missed the "hate chelios" thing. i was 39 when he left the hawks....well into the age of internet and all that...somehow i must have missed the whole story about chris chelios at the time. now....in my later years i'm aware of what happened, but it doesn't carry much of a "bite" somehow, for me at least fan poll. is chelios hated here? Chelios could maybe slot in as a GM. I would be somewhat disappointed if they were to make him president. He is a divisive character in the organization and would simply piss almost as many off as you might please. Personally I still have my Chelios sweater as regardless of what happened in the past he was still a great hockey player who not like others found himself in a bad position. I don't think we need to rehash the whole thing lots was said on either side. Chelios turned on Chicago fans in some ways and that is the biggest reason for NOT giving him the president and CEO job. As far as how Eddie O. might do the job? Again I'm not sure I'd want him for president so another that I might see in the GM category. The whole thing is a lot of conjecture of course. I personally hope they look beyond Chicago so that the winning may start sooner than later. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 29, 2020 9:25:29 GMT -6
Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. but will the fan base have patience with a guy like chelios ? you know he's not going to start winning on day 1. i gotta' be honest. i'm going to sound like a fool here, but somehow along the lines i somehow missed the "hate chelios" thing. i was 39 when he left the hawks....well into the age of internet and all that...somehow i must have missed the whole story about chris chelios at the time. now....in my later years i'm aware of what happened, but it doesn't carry much of a "bite" somehow, for me at least fan poll. is chelios hated here? He said and did some things that really irked a lotta Hawks fans and I respect that but for me,he's still a player who took a team FRIENDLY deal to stay and was traded anyway. I'd accept him as a team exec and I'd understand if someone else didn't I guess. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2020 9:27:54 GMT -6
I personally hope they look beyond Chicago so that the winning may start sooner than later. i'd have no problem with that either. as long as it's the right guy and as long as it's a hockey guy. this is a big decision....they have to get this one right. heaps of ramifications down the line. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 29, 2020 9:33:17 GMT -6
If anything my wife and I are itching to road-trip and get away from work for awhile. So that's probably the 1st thing we do when this blows over. you're in the pacific NW right? just wondering where your road trip might take you? and to make it a challenge as well as keeping it on topic, try and keep your answer mcdonough related. : ) Not gonna happen.  Seriously though for our anniversary we were looking to drive down to the Grand Canyon/Flagstaff area for a week or more...but that got put on hold because of this. I don't know if that's the 1st thing we do--it might just be get a bed and breakfast on the coast. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 29, 2020 9:42:29 GMT -6
I personally hope they look beyond Chicago so that the winning may start sooner than later. i'd have no problem with that either. as long as it's the right guy and as long as it's a hockey guy. this is a big decision....they have to get this one right. heaps of ramifications down the line. Exactly, John totally changed how they operate and put them in the right direction but now they need an actual hockey guy and this is a big decision. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 29, 2020 9:45:35 GMT -6
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Post by doogiew on Apr 29, 2020 10:13:00 GMT -6
Pretty much as we have all said. The FO has to continue it's cleanse. There are several out there that can take these jobs over NOW and still make good choices come draft time so that is no excuse. Sure as was said someone has to come in and go to work. Sorry several someones but it has to be Stan Bowman being shown the door first and foremost. The hardest to replace will be Joel Quenneville. That's who they have to replace behind the bench. It was simply to soon for Colliton. He is a hockey mind I think but needs to mature. Regardless as to what went on they need to get back to what's going on and very quickly finish what is started meaning Bowman goes next. Why strap a new GM with even more of Bowman's hap hazard moves to contend with. Give the new GM the reins where as they have an opportunity to actually get something done.
Fire Bowman NOW!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2020 10:43:50 GMT -6
Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. but will the fan base have patience with a guy like chelios ? you know he's not going to start winning on day 1. i gotta' be honest. i'm going to sound like a fool here, but somehow along the lines i somehow missed the "hate chelios" thing. i was 39 when he left the hawks....well into the age of internet and all that...somehow i must have missed the whole story about chris chelios at the time. now....in my later years i'm aware of what happened, but it doesn't carry much of a "bite" somehow, for me at least fan poll. is chelios hated here? I don’t personally care. If Cheli did a good job, great. I think when he left, he was ever so pissed. He said things that in the grand scheme of things really don’t matter 22 years later. A lot of fans came down on him before his comments of the city due to him saying he’d never play for the wings. He only went there because he was forced out. There’s many later interviews with Cheli explaining this. It’s not like he purposely tried to financially or physically hurt the city or it’s residents. He’s sorry for that and he has said many times “ just let it go”, cuz he has. I think he’d be a great guy to overlook the org. I like his outlook on how a team should be run. He’s got a great interview on Spittin Chicklets. I highly suggest anyone to google it and down load it. He touches a bit on the Hawks subject. I think he’s a good guy and would do good work!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 29, 2020 10:52:55 GMT -6
Good read, Bowman needs to go and I liked Colliton in Rockford but he needed a couple more years, he needs to go as well. I know the Hunters love developing players in London but now would be a great time to make a call. They'd bring back Old Time Hawkey to Chicago. |
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Post by gigecj on Apr 29, 2020 11:10:31 GMT -6
You guys oughta' see the length of my hair right now. Let's put it this way, Graham Nash comes to mind. Shhh, my wife wants to get hedge clippers and cup my locks while I sleep... ...the saga continues.... Damn, sad to say I’m starting to resemble David Crosby. If there is a Stephen Stills out there we can get the band back together. I happen to adore CSN and that especially goes for DC! His touch of jazz infused into folk rock really grabbed me. Unfortunately, by his own admission and that of a myriad of others, he's quite the ...hole. |
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Post by gigecj on Apr 29, 2020 11:12:56 GMT -6
At least Edzo was a coach in the NHL and he understands roster moves and chemistry in a dressing room. Plus being a player sure helps. Cheli was assistant GM in Detroit for a couple years. I still find it weird he’d quit that to come here as an ambassador. I still feel the org may have more in store for him. As far as the hate goes, winning cures that..... fast. If either were named President, I’d be happy it was a hockey guy. I am going to take Phil’s advice and email Rocky. I don’t know if he’ll ever read it. I’m not going to be rude at all, just tell him he needs this to be run by smart hockey people and that I appreciate that he will make a tough decision to better the team!!! Well, this discussion begs the question "Will Big T become the next Hawks GM"? |
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Post by gigecj on Apr 29, 2020 11:17:58 GMT -6
The last 3 or 4 summers have all been crossroads for the Hawks,let's hope the right path is chosen THIS time! A - MEN. That's exactly what we need, A - MEN. Get rid of the B - MEN! |
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Post by gigecj on Apr 29, 2020 11:19:37 GMT -6
you're in the pacific NW right? just wondering where your road trip might take you? and to make it a challenge as well as keeping it on topic, try and keep your answer mcdonough related. : ) Not gonna happen. Seriously though for our anniversary we were looking to drive down to the Grand Canyon/Flagstaff area for a week or more...but that got put on hold because of this. I don't know if that's the 1st thing we do--it might just be get a bed and breakfast on the coast. Ah, brings back personal memories of chaperoning 14-year-olds in the same environs while the Hawks were winning the '13 Cup! -- By the way Lord, don't forget Sedona. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 29, 2020 11:34:41 GMT -6
Not gonna happen. Seriously though for our anniversary we were looking to drive down to the Grand Canyon/Flagstaff area for a week or more...but that got put on hold because of this. I don't know if that's the 1st thing we do--it might just be get a bed and breakfast on the coast. Ah, brings back personal memories of chaperoning 14-year in the same environs while the Hawks were winning the '13 Cup! By the way Lord, don't forget Sedona. Not sure if we'll hit Sedona this trip. We'll see when we're able to do it. The big ones are Grand Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Petrified Forest/Painted Desert, and Barringer Crater. |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 29, 2020 11:42:01 GMT -6
I gave it a little thought and if Rocky thinks Chelios could be president do it. He or Eddie O being hometown would be likely a good start. That however is what an interview process does. Make a list and like Santa check it twice. Just get the right guy. Bring a good GM under them like Mark Hunter maybe? The reason I like Hunter is he is a hockey guy. He has experienced everything hockey oriented about a 50\50 split between the OHL and the NHL. The coaching spot would be the toughest to fill I think. Maybe Colliton could be afforded some time with the right GM pushing him.
As long as Stan goes right away I'm happy because if asked many see him as the problem. More than coaching, or scouting, any other aspect really. All of the Hawks biggest issues are GM related and there can be no progression leaving SB in his position.
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