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Post by dbrau on Sept 9, 2020 9:02:55 GMT -6
just saw something that said they are going to extend him..
this nightmare will just never end it seems......
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Post by hsbob on Sept 9, 2020 12:06:36 GMT -6
just saw something that said they are going to extend him.. this nightmare will just never end it seems...... I haven't seen this anywhere so I'm holding my breath. |
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Post by hawks27 on Sept 9, 2020 16:57:12 GMT -6
Maybe extend him over the Chicago River, but not the Blackhawks hockey team, please.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Sept 9, 2020 18:09:54 GMT -6
That certainly would come as no surprise.Stan needs his fall guy when the team completely collapses.
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Post by BigT on Sept 9, 2020 20:57:39 GMT -6
I’m wondering if they both got extensions? And it’s just starting to leak out now!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 9, 2020 21:29:53 GMT -6
no chatter or speculation, not a peep, rumbling or rumor on twitter (at least from the people i follow) about a JC extension. of course that doesn't mean it's not true...it's just that something pertaining to that should have popped up by now.
and like most, i can't understand why there would be an extension.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 22:34:14 GMT -6
Pretty interesting that while the Hawks were winning cups, we always heard about contract extensions, including length. Now there's nothing but rumors about Bowman and now Colliton. Why the sudden secrecy?
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Post by Tater on Sept 9, 2020 23:45:26 GMT -6
I’m wondering if they both got extensions? And it’s just starting to leak out now!!!  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 10, 2020 1:59:11 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 10, 2020 8:27:08 GMT -6
I've said this before but I don't blame JC for the Hawks woes, that falls completely on SB and Hawks brass shoulders.
Now was JC thrust into this position of HC too soon? Of course he was. I compare it a pre-school teacher 1 year and
asked to teach a medical school grad class the next. A no win situation for him.
Ideal world would have been JC and Q work together for 3-5 years as to what is needed for the franchise's future.
They would instill a structure for the franchise similar to what the Pens and Bruins have with theirs.
Assuming Q would retire after those 5 years and then JC would step in and have an easier transition.
He would have better knowledge of what players can and cannot do. As well as learn from Q how to be a successful HC in the NHL.
NOTE: These view points are my own and have no facts to back them, just dreaming.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 10, 2020 8:57:09 GMT -6
Pretty interesting that while the Hawks were winning cups, we always heard about contract extensions, including length. Now there's nothing but rumors about Bowman and now Colliton. Why the sudden secrecy? Could be the way things are done at Wirtz beverage,let's not forget who's runnin' this thing these days. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 10, 2020 9:00:34 GMT -6
I've said this before but I don't blame JC for the Hawks woes, that falls completely on SB and Hawks brass shoulders. Now was JC thrust into this position of HC too soon? Of course he was. I compare it a pre-school teacher 1 year and asked to teach a medical school grad class the next. A no win situation for him. Ideal world would have been JC and Q work together for 3-5 years as to what is needed for the franchise's future. They would instill a structure for the franchise similar to what the Pens and Bruins have with theirs. Assuming Q would retire after those 5 years and then JC would step in and have an easier transition. He would have better knowledge of what players can and cannot do. As well as learn from Q how to be a successful HC in the NHL. NOTE: These view points are my own and have no facts to back them, just dreaming. Hey T-man,how ya feelin'? I think at least one year as an assistant under Q would have helped but two would helped more but SB couldn't wait to bounce Q once he was given the go ahead. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 10, 2020 9:55:45 GMT -6
I've said this before but I don't blame JC for the Hawks woes, that falls completely on SB and Hawks brass shoulders. Now was JC thrust into this position of HC too soon? Of course he was. I compare it a pre-school teacher 1 year and asked to teach a medical school grad class the next. A no win situation for him. Ideal world would have been JC and Q work together for 3-5 years as to what is needed for the franchise's future. They would instill a structure for the franchise similar to what the Pens and Bruins have with theirs. Assuming Q would retire after those 5 years and then JC would step in and have an easier transition. He would have better knowledge of what players can and cannot do. As well as learn from Q how to be a successful HC in the NHL. NOTE: These view points are my own and have no facts to back them, just dreaming. Hey T-man,how ya feelin'? I think at least one year as an assistant under Q would have helped but two would helped more but SB couldn't wait to bounce Q once he was given the go ahead. I'm feeling just about 100%, surgery went well and all. I have to be on a low calcium diet as I appear to make too much and clogs my kidneys to the bladder. This was the worse case I have had in my 40+ years of kidney stones. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 10, 2020 13:34:31 GMT -6
Hey T-man,how ya feelin'? I think at least one year as an assistant under Q would have helped but two would helped more but SB couldn't wait to bounce Q once he was given the go ahead. I'm feeling just about 100%, surgery went well and all. I have to be on a low calcium diet as I appear to make too much and clogs my kidneys to the bladder. This was the worse case I have had in my 40+ years of kidney stones. OUCH! Sounds awful. That’s cool you’re doing good. I hope it keeps up for ya!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 14:24:50 GMT -6
Hey T-man,how ya feelin'? I think at least one year as an assistant under Q would have helped but two would helped more but SB couldn't wait to bounce Q once he was given the go ahead. I'm feeling just about 100%, surgery went well and all. I have to be on a low calcium diet as I appear to make too much and clogs my kidneys to the bladder. This was the worse case I have had in my 40+ years of kidney stones. Great to see you on here again.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 10, 2020 16:32:42 GMT -6
Hey T-man,how ya feelin'? I think at least one year as an assistant under Q would have helped but two would helped more but SB couldn't wait to bounce Q once he was given the go ahead. I'm feeling just about 100%, surgery went well and all. I have to be on a low calcium diet as I appear to make too much and clogs my kidneys to the bladder. This was the worse case I have had in my 40+ years of kidney stones. you don't often hear "that was the best case of kidney stones i've ever had." glad the pee gravel is under control. and to keep it hockey related... |
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Post by BigT on Sept 10, 2020 18:21:02 GMT -6
I hope Colliton gets a half hour extension. I’m not sure he’s even worth that. Tough times ahead my friends!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 14, 2020 7:54:18 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Oct 23, 2020 10:06:41 GMT -6
There's not a bone in my body that WANTS to dislike the young HC and to be honest I don't but I do hear the same doublespeak in this interview that I heard from the GM...... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/qa-blackhawks-jeremy-colliton-rebuilding-core-four-meeting-goaltendingHe professes that "he doesn't want to be a bubble team" or a "bottom half team" but says the core wanting to win now is "short sighted",I agree that being a bubble team is no man's land but it'll take a few years of being less than that to get the proper picks required for a successful rebuild. There seems to be a denial that this team will have to be real bad before it has the chance to be real good again and you'll never be REAL bad with guys like Kane,Toews and Keith leading the way and they do lead the way still. Shouldn't Kane and Toews strive for great seasons with their salaries and past accomplishments and will great seasons from the two always keep the team around that .500,no man's land level? It seems like management will get their cake and eat it too with the cover of a rebuild for a few years to come but a true rebuilding team would realize asking one or more of the core to waive is a necessity.......but the liquor guys are still worried about "who'll drink our beer" like the curmudgeons of the past were. Is it disingenuous to keep Kane and Toews just to sell tickets when the team can no longer win WITH them? |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 23, 2020 11:26:59 GMT -6
Taking a step back from the "what have you done for me lately, and oh by the way, I don't care, because I don't like you anyway" mindset - harken back to yesteryear and recall Colliton's bona fides when he was brought in to replace Q - they were communication and teaching, specifically for young players. YES - "young players", that sub-group of players the Hawks have now hitched their wagon to.
The lament heard round the Hawk universe regarding the hiring of Colliton was that he had no NHL coaching experience, and not all that much head coaching experience at any level. The notion of communication and teaching skills was more or less dismissed out of hand because the focus was on veteran players who were trying to win another Cup - they didn't need what Colliton brought to the table - they needed a bench boss who could hold his own against the best NHL head coaches and there was nothing on Colliton's resume to indicate he could do that.
But now, with some of this fog of directional uncertainty having been lifted, I would offer that Colliton's skill set is a much better fit than it appeared back then, and in fact I would take that notion a step farther and add that communication and teaching is precisely the skill set most efficacious in going from A-->B in this process. I wouldn't be surprised if Colliton is replaced with a more experienced bench boss when it's time to go from B-->C, but we have to get to "B" before we cross that bridge.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 23, 2020 12:16:43 GMT -6
ER: I agree that if youth is the way now, it is possible that JC is a good option. however, as you said, when he brought in, that wasn't the way or at least it wasn't what we were being told was the way. they could've brought in a veteran then and let the old guys go for it a couple more years while JC worked in the Rock. instead, they rammed him down the vets throats and caused discord in the room.
yet another move that could've been handled better. it is what it is, now.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 23, 2020 12:18:28 GMT -6
as far as the interview goes, at one point he basically says that "everyone won't be around"......
a misstep I'm sure Stan will talk to him about.....
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Post by hsbob on Oct 23, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -6
Taking a step back from the "what have you done for me lately, and oh by the way, I don't care, because I don't like you anyway" mindset - harken back to yesteryear and recall Colliton's bona fides when he was brought in to replace Q - they were communication and teaching, specifically for young players. YES - "young players", that sub-group of players the Hawks have now hitched their wagon to. The lament heard round the Hawk universe regarding the hiring of Colliton was that he had no NHL coaching experience, and not all that much head coaching experience at any level. The notion that communication and teaching skills was more or less dismissed out of hand because the focus was on veteran players who were trying to win another Cup - they didn't need what Colliton brought to the table - they needed a bench boss who could hold his own against the best NHL head coaches and there was nothing on Colliton's resume to indicate he could do that. But now, with some of this fog of directional uncertainty having been lifted, I would offer that Colliton's skill set is a much better fit than it appeared back then, and in fact I would take that notion a step farther and add that communication and teaching is precisely the skill set most efficacious in going from A-->B in this process. I wouldn't be surprised if Colliton is replaced with a more experienced bench boss when it's time to go from B-->C, but we have to get to "B" before we cross that bridge. The young coach was thrown into a real tough spot er,a mediocre roster and big shoes to fill would be hard on an experienced HC. I hope you're right about the teaching part though because Strome and D-Cat's regressions concern me. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 23, 2020 13:48:58 GMT -6
Taking a step back from the "what have you done for me lately, and oh by the way, I don't care, because I don't like you anyway" mindset - harken back to yesteryear and recall Colliton's bona fides when he was brought in to replace Q - they were communication and teaching, specifically for young players. YES - "young players", that sub-group of players the Hawks have now hitched their wagon to. The lament heard round the Hawk universe regarding the hiring of Colliton was that he had no NHL coaching experience, and not all that much head coaching experience at any level. The notion that communication and teaching skills was more or less dismissed out of hand because the focus was on veteran players who were trying to win another Cup - they didn't need what Colliton brought to the table - they needed a bench boss who could hold his own against the best NHL head coaches and there was nothing on Colliton's resume to indicate he could do that. But now, with some of this fog of directional uncertainty having been lifted, I would offer that Colliton's skill set is a much better fit than it appeared back then, and in fact I would take that notion a step farther and add that communication and teaching is precisely the skill set most efficacious in going from A-->B in this process. I wouldn't be surprised if Colliton is replaced with a more experienced bench boss when it's time to go from B-->C, but we have to get to "B" before we cross that bridge. The young coach was thrown into a real tough spot er,a mediocre roster and big shoes to fill would be hard on an experienced HC. I hope you're right about the teaching part though because Strome and D-Cat's regressions concern me. I'm not sure what you call DCat's regression is necessary a net negative effect. Certainly his goal scoring was well below his first 2 seasons, but I think his overall game was markedly better. He still has his yips in the d-zone now and then but not nearly as bad this past season than before. He is positionally better in the d-zone to receive passes and relieve pressure - not perfect, but better. I also think he improved his skating from about average to average+. In short, his offense is worse but his overall game is better. The key for him is to keep improving defensively and hit more of those wristers and one-timers. |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Oct 23, 2020 15:21:39 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 23, 2020 16:06:40 GMT -6
If I were prone to reading between the lines of Stan's and Colliton's statements in that Tribune article, I might suspect they are subtly making it more attractive for the Core-4 players to request a trade. Maybe I'm reading something that isn't there. I don't know.
Trading the Core-4 would seem to have been unthinkable until fairly recently. Now it seems to be gaining more wide spread support from the fans, which shouldn't be the main factor, but it is a factor the Hawks management are aware of. Soften up the fans to be more amenable before actually doing it. Yes, it's pandering to some extend - welcome to the real world.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 23, 2020 17:14:37 GMT -6
This Blowman guy oughta be a politician for F's sake....he sure lies enough. He went from 'we've been on this path for a year and a half and have kept the players abreast' to "their job is play hockey and not so much manage a team" when asked how involved the players were just one sentence later. Blowman and boy wonder think lies will replace a plan and solid leadership......gettin' REAL hard to follow this shitshow! |
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Post by BigT on Oct 23, 2020 19:01:13 GMT -6
Thanks for that Jimmy. I thought last summer Stan said clearly “We wanted guys with term on their contracts”. He meant in the trade dept. and he got that, now he wants youth. We all have to remember, because they’re young, doesn’t mean they’re good!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 23, 2020 20:09:59 GMT -6
If I were prone to reading between the lines of Stan's and Colliton's statements in that Tribune article, I might suspect they are subtly making it more attractive for the Core-4 players to request a trade. Maybe I'm reading something that isn't there. I don't know. Trading the Core-4 would seem to have been unthinkable until fairly recently. Now it seems to be gaining more wide spread support from the fans, which shouldn't be the main factor, but it is a factor the Hawks management are aware of. Soften up the fans to be more amenable before actually doing it. Yes, it's pandering to some extend - welcome to the real world. you don't have to read between the lines. Colliton said in his podcast interview that "some guys won't be here". that is EXACTLY what they are hoping for and, better yet, a large swath of fans are jumping on board and are going to make it OK for this asshole to do exactly what he has wanted to do for years now..... |
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Post by Tater on Oct 24, 2020 0:40:49 GMT -6
If I were prone to reading between the lines of Stan's and Colliton's statements in that Tribune article, I might suspect they are subtly making it more attractive for the Core-4 players to request a trade. Maybe I'm reading something that isn't there. I don't know. Trading the Core-4 would seem to have been unthinkable until fairly recently. Now it seems to be gaining more wide spread support from the fans, which shouldn't be the main factor, but it is a factor the Hawks management are aware of. Soften up the fans to be more amenable before actually doing it. Yes, it's pandering to some extend - welcome to the real world. I think you are exactly right. That article makes me dislike Satan and JC more than I already did. They're becoming Mr. Burns and his lapdog Smithers.
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