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Post by Tater on Sept 15, 2020 11:26:56 GMT -6
you get a thumb just for the positivity. : ) What do I get.....LOL! DON'T answer that!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:46:54 GMT -6
Strome and D-Cat will both be back as long as Strome is ready to play lets make a deal. I foresee that Seabrook will be a legitimate top four. If Smith comes back healthy after back surgery he will not disappoint. Kubalik gotta play lets make a deal too? I hope you're right about Seabs and also admire you optimism! Smith has been the epitome of disappointment the last several years. I was gonna post his stats but the Hawks site has him on neither their regular season stats or roster page for some reason.......wishful thinking? 3.2M for a 4th line wing? I know it's not 'ray-o sunshine-like' but how do you fit these suggestions under the team's cap? Smith's stats are on Cap Friendly. I copy/pasted last 5 years (I added the GP, G, A, TP,+/-, and Pen but it won't stay lined up with the stats below it once I save):
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2015-16 Ottawa Senators NHL 81 25 11 36 16 80 |
2016-17 Ottawa Senators NHL 74 16 16 32 6 61 | PLAYOFFS 19 1 5 6 -5 12
2017-18 Ottawa Senators NHL 68 5 14 19 -32 54 |
2018-19 Ottawa Senators NHL 70 9 19 28 -6 81 |
2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 50 4 7 11 2 29 |
NHL TOTAL NHL 662 98 106 204 -46 722 | PLAYOFFS 45 2 7 9 -14 58
Wow, a career -46 on the plus/minus chart. No wonder Stan wanted him so bad.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 15, 2020 12:57:41 GMT -6
Strome and D-Cat will both be back as long as Strome is ready to play lets make a deal. I foresee that Seabrook will be a legitimate top four. If Smith comes back healthy after back surgery he will not disappoint. I’m not disagreeing. Can you please enlighten us where the cap space is coming from? We’ve all provided numbers here, and they don’t look good. It looks like the Hawks have about 10 million to shed just to get Kubalik, Crawford, Strome and a couple other positions filled. You can’t just say “they’ll be back and better than ever”, because math said so. If you want to be taken serious, please provide a path to this enlightenment!!! You think our cap space sucks, look at the Jets, 15.5 mil and over half their roster unsigned. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 15, 2020 15:31:40 GMT -6
I’m not disagreeing. Can you please enlighten us where the cap space is coming from? We’ve all provided numbers here, and they don’t look good. It looks like the Hawks have about 10 million to shed just to get Kubalik, Crawford, Strome and a couple other positions filled. You can’t just say “they’ll be back and better than ever”, because math said so. If you want to be taken serious, please provide a path to this enlightenment!!! You think our cap space sucks, look at the Jets, 15.5 mil and over half their roster unsigned. However, they got a lot coming down the pipeline as far as talent goes. They have a few guys they can move out. Laine may be on the move because Connor and Ehlers and they’ll get a wicked return for him. Rumour has the Habs willing to part with 2-3 of their good young players for him. So they’ll save over 6+ million there!!! |
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Post by Tater on Sept 16, 2020 0:27:47 GMT -6
Smith's stats are on Cap Friendly. I copy/pasted last 5 years (I added the GP, G, A, TP,+/-, and Pen but it won't stay lined up with the stats below it once I save):
GP G A TP +/- Pen
2015-16 Ottawa Senators NHL 81 25 11 36 16 80 |
2016-17 Ottawa Senators NHL 74 16 16 32 6 61 | PLAYOFFS 19 1 5 6 -5 12
2017-18 Ottawa Senators NHL 68 5 14 19 -32 54 |
2018-19 Ottawa Senators NHL 70 9 19 28 -6 81 |
2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 50 4 7 11 2 29 |
NHL TOTAL NHL 662 98 106 204 -46 722 | PLAYOFFS 45 2 7 9 -14 58
Wow, a career -46 on the plus/minus chart. No wonder Stan wanted him so bad.
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Post by doogiew on Sept 16, 2020 5:41:59 GMT -6
This is simply poor management and if the young Danny Wirtz doesn't make a move in firing Stan now the once long list of GM's that were available dwindles. There can be no more forgiveness and if a move isn't made to acquire a new GM now I fear even more of a house cleaning will need to take place. It doesn't matter who comes in as GM now the bleeding can't be stopped. Who ever comes in will need to make some very tough decisions. Trades that will make fans cringe and even cry must be made, and teams like Montreal with the cap space are goin to benefit. Montreal needs scoring and don't mind smaller forwards so I would look to see DCat go there. If Stan is at the helm it won't benefit the Hawks in any way.
Fire Stan right now, and get a guy in that can slow the bleeding. The bleeding however can not be stopped at this point.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Sept 16, 2020 18:02:59 GMT -6
This is simply poor management and if the young Danny Wirtz doesn't make a move in firing Stan now the once long list of GM's that were available dwindles. There can be no more forgiveness and if a move isn't made to acquire a new GM now I fear even more of a house cleaning will need to take place. It doesn't matter who comes in as GM now the bleeding can't be stopped. Who ever comes in will need to make some very tough decisions. Trades that will make fans cringe and even cry must be made, and teams like Montreal with the cap space are goin to benefit. Montreal needs scoring and don't mind smaller forwards so I would look to see DCat go there. If Stan is at the helm it won't benefit the Hawks in any way. Fire Stan right now, and get a guy in that can slow the bleeding. The bleeding however can not be stopped at this point. Funny you said Montreal, that’s exactly what they were talking about on the tsn690 Montreal today. Bergevin is taking nonstop calls from teams about acquiring players. They are one of the very few teams that has cap space. They will be signing Edmondston to a multi year contract, I heard they will part ways with Domi because of the abundance of players at there disposal due to the cap. With that in mind, no they will not be looking at dcat. They have there eyes on Laine, Killhorn, Tyler Johnson and a few others they have not been named. Tampa has 12 million to shed, Buffalo 10 million, Pitts 8 million and that just those teams. I can’t see the Hawks signing CC, and it’s even possible CC doesn’t even get a contract due to the cap and the situation of the league. Strome will be gone and unless Kubalik takes a small 3 year contract he will be gone to. As you referred to the Bleeding, well that won’t be stopped until Kane, Toews and Keith’s contracts are over, pardoned me and Seabs(how can I forget that). |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 17, 2020 10:39:34 GMT -6
This is simply poor management and if the young Danny Wirtz doesn't make a move in firing Stan now the once long list of GM's that were available dwindles. There can be no more forgiveness and if a move isn't made to acquire a new GM now I fear even more of a house cleaning will need to take place. It doesn't matter who comes in as GM now the bleeding can't be stopped. Who ever comes in will need to make some very tough decisions. Trades that will make fans cringe and even cry must be made, and teams like Montreal with the cap space are goin to benefit. Montreal needs scoring and don't mind smaller forwards so I would look to see DCat go there. If Stan is at the helm it won't benefit the Hawks in any way. Fire Stan right now, and get a guy in that can slow the bleeding. The bleeding however can not be stopped at this point. Funny you said Montreal, that’s exactly what they were talking about on the tsn690 Montreal today. Bergevin is taking nonstop calls from teams about acquiring players. They are one of the very few teams that has cap space. They will be signing Edmondston to a multi year contract, I heard they will part ways with Domi because of the abundance of players at there disposal due to the cap. With that in mind, no they will not be looking at dcat. They have there eyes on Laine, Killhorn, Tyler Johnson and a few others they have not been named. Tampa has 12 million to shed, Buffalo 10 million, Pitts 8 million and that just those teams. I can’t see the Hawks signing CC, and it’s even possible CC doesn’t even get a contract due to the cap and the situation of the league. Strome will be gone and unless Kubalik takes a small 3 year contract he will be gone to. As you referred to the Bleeding, well that won’t be stopped until Kane, Toews and Keith’s contracts are over, pardoned me and Seabs(how can I forget that). You really think there's a chance that CC goes unsigned? As far as the bleeding stopping once Kane,Toews,Keith and Seabs are gone.........it depends on how that money's spent and how many more first round picks are traded away. |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Sept 17, 2020 16:54:18 GMT -6
Funny you said Montreal, that’s exactly what they were talking about on the tsn690 Montreal today. Bergevin is taking nonstop calls from teams about acquiring players. They are one of the very few teams that has cap space. They will be signing Edmondston to a multi year contract, I heard they will part ways with Domi because of the abundance of players at there disposal due to the cap. With that in mind, no they will not be looking at dcat. They have there eyes on Laine, Killhorn, Tyler Johnson and a few others they have not been named. Tampa has 12 million to shed, Buffalo 10 million, Pitts 8 million and that just those teams. I can’t see the Hawks signing CC, and it’s even possible CC doesn’t even get a contract due to the cap and the situation of the league. Strome will be gone and unless Kubalik takes a small 3 year contract he will be gone to. As you referred to the Bleeding, well that won’t be stopped until Kane, Toews and Keith’s contracts are over, pardoned me and Seabs(how can I forget that). You really think there's a chance that CC goes unsigned? As far as the bleeding stopping once Kane,Toews,Keith and Seabs are gone.........it depends on how that money's spent and how many more first round picks are traded away. To be honest Bob, I am not sure. All I have been hearing is majority of NHL teams want to shed salary and then there are those teams that are having huge cap issues. If Stan says no to 3.5, CC may not be given another offer from anyone else. Teams are dropping players not adding especially when certain players have health problems in CC case in relation to his concussion history it would be a gamble, and who is willing to take that gamble in a year of uncertainty. I am just putting this out there, I think Stan offers him 2-2.5 due to the uncertainty and possibly adds some sort of bonus incentive. In terms of the bleeding I am just referring to the cap, because we both know the bleeding may stop but the major growing pains will begin. Everything is speculation right now, how long will Covid go on for, when will the borders reopen, when will sporting events allow for maximum capacity once again, will the cap drop again who knows what the future entails. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 17, 2020 17:10:04 GMT -6
You really think there's a chance that CC goes unsigned? As far as the bleeding stopping once Kane,Toews,Keith and Seabs are gone.........it depends on how that money's spent and how many more first round picks are traded away. I am just putting this out there, I think Stan offers him 2-2.5 due to the uncertainty and possibly adds some sort of bonus incentive. it's been widely reported that the hawks have already offered crow a 1 year deal at 3.5 mill. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 17, 2020 17:34:38 GMT -6
You really think there's a chance that CC goes unsigned? As far as the bleeding stopping once Kane,Toews,Keith and Seabs are gone.........it depends on how that money's spent and how many more first round picks are traded away. To be honest Bob, I am not sure. All I have been hearing is majority of NHL teams want to shed salary and then there are those teams that are having huge cap issues. If Stan says no to 3.5, CC may not be given another offer from anyone else. Teams are dropping players not adding especially when certain players have health problems in CC case in relation to his concussion history it would be a gamble, and who is willing to take that gamble in a year of uncertainty. I am just putting this out there, I think Stan offers him 2-2.5 due to the uncertainty and possibly adds some sort of bonus incentive. In terms of the bleeding I am just referring to the cap, because we both know the bleeding may stop but the major growing pains will begin. Everything is speculation right now, how long will Covid go on for, when will the borders reopen, when will sporting events allow for maximum capacity once again, will the cap drop again who knows what the future entails. You made me stop and think of how many decent players signed late and cheap the last few years like Maroon for 900K right before camp started so who knows with a cap that sounds like it'll be flat for the next three years. What the top group of GT's get will be important because it sounds like CC will take considerably less. I get the chatter about the younger GT's available who cost a bit more but what exactly goes into this decision for the FO? Are we a better GT away? Lehner was everything we hoped for yet last place beckoned none the less. If there is a 3.5M offer from the team CC sounded like he'd be in unless his idea of a discount vary from the team's. I'd like to go 3MX2 and save some money at the position for a change. CC gets hurt.....throw Delia or Lankenin ect to the wolves because the most of today's good young tenders went through it and you find out what ya got quicker. Both Delia and Lankenin are mid 20's......shit or get off our pot. CC's WELL liked and respected,keep him clean and he stays healthy but good luck with that. I hear talk of stability at times and CC at half price is cheap stability IMO,the guy looked good with no camp and Covid........he'd have to look better with a camp and no Covid! |
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Post by squishy24 on Sept 24, 2020 11:06:36 GMT -6
I am just putting this out there, I think Stan offers him 2-2.5 due to the uncertainty and possibly adds some sort of bonus incentive. it's been widely reported that the hawks have already offered crow a 1 year deal at 3.5 mill. i would bet that if the Hawks offered another year (2 x 3.5m or 3 x 3m) WITH full NMC, CC will sign, and that wouldnt be so bad. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 30, 2020 7:56:15 GMT -6
I was reading up on the new CBA. Here’s a link to the escrow and what will happen with the cap. It’s going to be flat for the next 2 years, more than likely a 3rd and very well could be 81.5 till this CBA ends in 2025. Here’s a link. I’d suggest everyone read this. It’s not too long!!! flamesnation.ca/2020/07/04/escrow/At first I thought this isn't the worst thing ever because it'll affect most teams as well as the Hawks but that's what I get for thinking. The flat cap affecting all the other teams affects their ability to take on a Saad or a Maata too and that could be a big problem. I'm holding out hope that the flat cap, should it affect larger cap-dump moves like we think it will, will leave the 'hawks mired where they are and actually hasten Bowman the Lesser's departure. At some point when COVID dissipates, the 'hawks are going to need ticket sales, and the way it looked before COVID his was that the 'hawks were struggling a bit on the ST front because of the recent play of the 'hawks. If the 'hawks are the same team they've been since 2018 that's not conducive to season ticket sales--corporate or otherwise, and the lack of asses in the seats directly due to a mediocre product on the ice because of a lame duck GM should hasten his departure. Should. As much as I'd hate to imagine it--it could lead to another $Bill/Pulford situation...and some could say we're in that now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:15:52 GMT -6
At first I thought this isn't the worst thing ever because it'll affect most teams as well as the Hawks but that's what I get for thinking. The flat cap affecting all the other teams affects their ability to take on a Saad or a Maata too and that could be a big problem. I'm holding out hope that the flat cap, should it affect larger cap-dump moves like we think it will, will leave the 'hawks mired where they are and actually hasten Bowman the Lesser's departure. At some point when COVID dissipates, the 'hawks are going to need ticket sales, and the way it looked before COVID his was that the 'hawks were struggling a bit on the ST front because of the recent play of the 'hawks. If the 'hawks are the same team they've been since 2018 that's not conducive to season ticket sales--corporate or otherwise, and the lack of asses in the seats directly due to a mediocre product on the ice because of a lame duck GM should hasten his departure. Should. As much as I'd hate to imagine it-- it could lead to another $Bill/Pulford situation...and some could say we're in that now.You mean the situation where Pulford came in with a 5 year plan that after 15 years still hadn't come to fruition? By the way, let's not mention Pulford too much, he still works for the family liquor business and could be in line to replace Bowman if Danny does decide to make a change. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 30, 2020 8:18:27 GMT -6
I'm holding out hope that the flat cap, should it affect larger cap-dump moves like we think it will, will leave the 'hawks mired where they are and actually hasten Bowman the Lesser's departure. At some point when COVID dissipates, the 'hawks are going to need ticket sales, and the way it looked before COVID his was that the 'hawks were struggling a bit on the ST front because of the recent play of the 'hawks. If the 'hawks are the same team they've been since 2018 that's not conducive to season ticket sales--corporate or otherwise, and the lack of asses in the seats directly due to a mediocre product on the ice because of a lame duck GM should hasten his departure. Should. As much as I'd hate to imagine it-- it could lead to another $Bill/Pulford situation...and some could say we're in that now.You mean the situation where Pulford came in with a 5 year plan that after 15 years still hadn't come to fruition? By the way, let's not mention Pulford too much, he still works for the family liquor business and could be in line to replace Bowman if Danny does decide to make a change. that was a 5 "dog year" plan. but the media never reports it. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 30, 2020 9:11:58 GMT -6
At first I thought this isn't the worst thing ever because it'll affect most teams as well as the Hawks but that's what I get for thinking. The flat cap affecting all the other teams affects their ability to take on a Saad or a Maata too and that could be a big problem. I'm holding out hope that the flat cap, should it affect larger cap-dump moves like we think it will, will leave the 'hawks mired where they are and actually hasten Bowman the Lesser's departure. At some point when COVID dissipates, the 'hawks are going to need ticket sales, and the way it looked before COVID his was that the 'hawks were struggling a bit on the ST front because of the recent play of the 'hawks. If the 'hawks are the same team they've been since 2018 that's not conducive to season ticket sales--corporate or otherwise, and the lack of asses in the seats directly due to a mediocre product on the ice because of a lame duck GM should hasten his departure. Should. As much as I'd hate to imagine it--it could lead to another $Bill/Pulford situation...and some could say we're in that now. I thought Saad could actually fetch something in return not long ago but Lanie's available for the same money,Domi's avaiable for less and the Preds might be on the verge of buying Turris out among the many other RFA forwards and we can't forget the UFA forwards available with no assets given up. I though Maata might also fetch something and his PO performance should at least give a decent GM a bit of a leg up......let's see how this works out because D spot have to be cleared along with cap space. We're five days into the buy-out window and other teams are bitin' the bullet.......I'm still not sure what we're biting! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 30, 2020 11:19:26 GMT -6
I'm holding out hope that the flat cap, should it affect larger cap-dump moves like we think it will, will leave the 'hawks mired where they are and actually hasten Bowman the Lesser's departure. At some point when COVID dissipates, the 'hawks are going to need ticket sales, and the way it looked before COVID his was that the 'hawks were struggling a bit on the ST front because of the recent play of the 'hawks. If the 'hawks are the same team they've been since 2018 that's not conducive to season ticket sales--corporate or otherwise, and the lack of asses in the seats directly due to a mediocre product on the ice because of a lame duck GM should hasten his departure. Should. As much as I'd hate to imagine it--it could lead to another $Bill/Pulford situation...and some could say we're in that now. I thought Saad could actually fetch something in return not long ago but Lanie's available for the same money,Domi's avaiable for less and the Preds might be on the verge of buying Turris out among the many other RFA forwards and we can't forget the UFA forwards available with no assets given up. I though Maata might also fetch something and his PO performance should at least give a decent GM a bit of a leg up......let's see how this works out because D spot have to be cleared along with cap space. We're five days into the buy-out window and other teams are bitin' the bullet.......I'm still not sure what we're biting! I don't know who we'd buy out though. Seabrook's buy out-cap would kill us next year and 2023. If he was bought out we'd have 6.3M in dead cap on the books both seasons. It'd be better to just LTIR him if we can find a plausible excuse. Shaw would hurt in 2022 with ~2.75M in dead cap, but would save us ~2M in cap this coming season. Keith could be an option for realistic cap savings this coming season and next, but then again he's useful when his time and deployment is managed even at his cap hit. Who else do we have? Murph, DeHaan, and Maata have varying levels of usefulness that could possible be traded out. Saad is quite useful. Debrincat could turn it around. I won't even entertain a Toews or Kane buyout. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 30, 2020 11:37:23 GMT -6
Zach Smith is the only player I can see the 'hawks buying out, personally. no one else would make any sense to do so.
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 30, 2020 16:22:49 GMT -6
Zach Smith is the only player I can see the 'hawks buying out, personally. no one else would make any sense to do so. That's basically how I'm thinking about this. In order for a buyout to make sense there has to be cap leverage that benefits the team. Very few of the players we got who could/should be bought out give the team enough cap leverage to make it worthwhile. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 1, 2020 7:57:11 GMT -6
I thought Saad could actually fetch something in return not long ago but Lanie's available for the same money,Domi's avaiable for less and the Preds might be on the verge of buying Turris out among the many other RFA forwards and we can't forget the UFA forwards available with no assets given up. I though Maata might also fetch something and his PO performance should at least give a decent GM a bit of a leg up......let's see how this works out because D spot have to be cleared along with cap space. We're five days into the buy-out window and other teams are bitin' the bullet.......I'm still not sure what we're biting! I don't know who we'd buy out though. Seabrook's buy out-cap would kill us next year and 2023. If he was bought out we'd have 6.3M in dead cap on the books both seasons. It'd be better to just LTIR him if we can find a plausible excuse. Shaw would hurt in 2022 with ~2.75M in dead cap, but would save us ~2M in cap this coming season. Keith could be an option for realistic cap savings this coming season and next, but then again he's useful when his time and deployment is managed even at his cap hit. Who else do we have? Murph, DeHaan, and Maata have varying levels of usefulness that could possible be traded out. Saad is quite useful. Debrincat could turn it around. I won't even entertain a Toews or Kane buyout. I go with Smith too,CF shows his buy-out saving 2M or a bit more next year and that'll be needed. Looking at Seabs' deal is hard but looking at the bonuses aspect of that deal proves Scambo might be a sadomasochist too..........you couldn't structure that deal any worse if you tried! Not sure Keith wants to waive and buying him out offers little in the way of relief due to those pesky bonuses on this deal too and a full NMC that runs the full length for some reason......even Seab's deal has a modified NMC the last two years. Chimps could have negotiated better! Something has to happen and fairly soon if they plan to keep Kubalik and Strome,one will HAVE to go to sign a GT unless space is made elsewhere. Most sources believe it's Strome with Dach moving into a 2LC role and I hope that's not rushing the kid. I don't see how one of Maata or de Hann don't go one way or the other to clear space and a spot for a group of young D-men who need to start proving their worth and soon. The Joker was eatin' big minutes for grumpy old Ralph Krueger at the end of the year and he did so @20! We're short of righties but Murphy might be the one to go too because he might be the easiest to move. |
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Post by hawks27 on Oct 1, 2020 10:31:23 GMT -6
Where could Lundquist figure in the Blackhawks' goal tender plans (now that NYR have bought him out), if Crawford would not return? How much $$ would it take?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 11:06:10 GMT -6
I don't know who we'd buy out though. Seabrook's buy out-cap would kill us next year and 2023. If he was bought out we'd have 6.3M in dead cap on the books both seasons. It'd be better to just LTIR him if we can find a plausible excuse. Shaw would hurt in 2022 with ~2.75M in dead cap, but would save us ~2M in cap this coming season. Keith could be an option for realistic cap savings this coming season and next, but then again he's useful when his time and deployment is managed even at his cap hit. Who else do we have? Murph, DeHaan, and Maata have varying levels of usefulness that could possible be traded out. Saad is quite useful. Debrincat could turn it around. I won't even entertain a Toews or Kane buyout. I go with Smith too,CF shows his buy-out saving 2M or a bit more next year and that'll be needed. Looking at Seabs' deal is hard but looking at the bonuses aspect of that deal proves Scambo might be a sadomasochist too..........you couldn't structure that deal any worse if you tried! Not sure Keith wants to waive and buying him out offers little in the way of relief due to those pesky bonuses on this deal too and a full NMC that runs the full length for some reason......even Seab's deal has a modified NMC the last two years. Chimps could have negotiated better! Something has to happen and fairly soon if they plan to keep Kubalik and Strome,one will HAVE to go to sign a GT unless space is made elsewhere. Most sources believe it's Strome with Dach moving into a 2LC role and I hope that's not rushing the kid. I don't see how one of Maata or de Hann don't go one way or the other to clear space and a spot for a group of young D-men who need to start proving their worth and soon. The Joker was eatin' big minutes for grumpy old Ralph Krueger at the end of the year and he did so @20! We're short of righties but Murphy might be the one to go too because he might be the easiest to move. Keith signed his contract under the old CBA where teams were circumventing the cap rules. So with the new CBA that was resolved, and any team that signed players to those types of contracts will be penalized if the contract is not fulfilled completely. That's why Hossa can not retire and remains on LTIR. If he were to retire, even though a member of Arizona, the Hawks will be penalized in cap restrictions for the duration of the years remaining on his deal. I'm not sure they can even waive Keith without league implemented cap penalties. |
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Post by nighbor on Oct 1, 2020 21:25:24 GMT -6
I go with Smith too,CF shows his buy-out saving 2M or a bit more next year and that'll be needed. Looking at Seabs' deal is hard but looking at the bonuses aspect of that deal proves Scambo might be a sadomasochist too..........you couldn't structure that deal any worse if you tried! Not sure Keith wants to waive and buying him out offers little in the way of relief due to those pesky bonuses on this deal too and a full NMC that runs the full length for some reason......even Seab's deal has a modified NMC the last two years. Chimps could have negotiated better! Something has to happen and fairly soon if they plan to keep Kubalik and Strome,one will HAVE to go to sign a GT unless space is made elsewhere. Most sources believe it's Strome with Dach moving into a 2LC role and I hope that's not rushing the kid. I don't see how one of Maata or de Hann don't go one way or the other to clear space and a spot for a group of young D-men who need to start proving their worth and soon. The Joker was eatin' big minutes for grumpy old Ralph Krueger at the end of the year and he did so @20! We're short of righties but Murphy might be the one to go too because he might be the easiest to move. Keith signed his contract under the old CBA where teams were circumventing the cap rules. So with the new CBA that was resolved, and any team that signed players to those types of contracts will be penalized if the contract is not fulfilled completely. That's why Hossa can not retire and remains on LTIR. If he were to retire, even though a member of Arizona, the Hawks will be penalized in cap restrictions for the duration of the years remaining on his deal. I'm not sure they can even waive Keith without league implemented cap penalties. The penalty only applies to retirement. If he waives and is picked up and retires Chicago is the team penalized. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 6:45:10 GMT -6
Keith signed his contract under the old CBA where teams were circumventing the cap rules. So with the new CBA that was resolved, and any team that signed players to those types of contracts will be penalized if the contract is not fulfilled completely. That's why Hossa can not retire and remains on LTIR. If he were to retire, even though a member of Arizona, the Hawks will be penalized in cap restrictions for the duration of the years remaining on his deal. I'm not sure they can even waive Keith without league implemented cap penalties. The penalty only applies to retirement. If he waives and is picked up and retires Chicago is the team penalized. Not sure only Chicago gets penalized though. When Luongo retired under the same contract circumvention, both Vancouver and Florida were hit with penalties. |
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Post by nighbor on Oct 2, 2020 7:08:25 GMT -6
The penalty only applies to retirement. If he waives and is picked up and retires Chicago is the team penalized. Not sure only Chicago gets penalized though. When Luongo retired under the same contract circumvention, both Vancouver and Florida were hit with penalties. Only the team who signed the contract is obligated to pay the penalty. Maybe Vancouver and Florida agreed to share the penalty as part of their original deal. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 2, 2020 7:16:59 GMT -6
Keith signed his contract under the old CBA where teams were circumventing the cap rules. So with the new CBA that was resolved, and any team that signed players to those types of contracts will be penalized if the contract is not fulfilled completely. That's why Hossa can not retire and remains on LTIR. If he were to retire, even though a member of Arizona, the Hawks will be penalized in cap restrictions for the duration of the years remaining on his deal. I'm not sure they can even waive Keith without league implemented cap penalties. The penalty only applies to retirement. If he waives and is picked up and retires Chicago is the team penalized. Does it matter if the retirement was his decision or a medically forced decision? |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:27 GMT -6
Not sure only Chicago gets penalized though. When Luongo retired under the same contract circumvention, both Vancouver and Florida were hit with penalties. Only the team who signed the contract is obligated to pay the penalty. Maybe Vancouver and Florida agreed to share the penalty as part of their original deal. they did, iirc |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 2, 2020 13:28:19 GMT -6
I don't know who we'd buy out though. Seabrook's buy out-cap would kill us next year and 2023. If he was bought out we'd have 6.3M in dead cap on the books both seasons. It'd be better to just LTIR him if we can find a plausible excuse. Shaw would hurt in 2022 with ~2.75M in dead cap, but would save us ~2M in cap this coming season. Keith could be an option for realistic cap savings this coming season and next, but then again he's useful when his time and deployment is managed even at his cap hit. Who else do we have? Murph, DeHaan, and Maata have varying levels of usefulness that could possible be traded out. Saad is quite useful. Debrincat could turn it around. I won't even entertain a Toews or Kane buyout. I go with Smith too,CF shows his buy-out saving 2M or a bit more next year and that'll be needed. Looking at Seabs' deal is hard but looking at the bonuses aspect of that deal proves Scambo might be a sadomasochist too..........you couldn't structure that deal any worse if you tried! Not sure Keith wants to waive and buying him out offers little in the way of relief due to those pesky bonuses on this deal too and a full NMC that runs the full length for some reason......even Seab's deal has a modified NMC the last two years. Chimps could have negotiated better! Something has to happen and fairly soon if they plan to keep Kubalik and Strome,one will HAVE to go to sign a GT unless space is made elsewhere. Most sources believe it's Strome with Dach moving into a 2LC role and I hope that's not rushing the kid. I don't see how one of Maata or de Hann don't go one way or the other to clear space and a spot for a group of young D-men who need to start proving their worth and soon. The Joker was eatin' big minutes for grumpy old Ralph Krueger at the end of the year and he did so @20! We're short of righties but Murphy might be the one to go too because he might be the easiest to move. I think by proxy Maata, deHaan, or Murph move. We have 1 too many mid-tier D-men. Unfortunately the 'hawks are in a situation where I fully expect San to be bent over in any deal. Honestly though, I'm okay with Strome walking. I don't think he's a #3C and Dach upped his game when it counted. I just REALLY don't want to lose Kubalik too soon. Sure, he may peter off but no one lucks into a rookie season like he had. I don't think Keith goes anywhere, and honestly, you manage his time and deployment (and make it so he doesn't have to babysit rookies too much) and his game is good. The recapture risk is a thing but I don't see us trading him. |
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