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Post by Tater on Mar 18, 2021 1:18:32 GMT -6
Maybe it's a combination of things, the direction of the team and losing two more great friends in Crawford and for the second time, Saad, plus his relationship with his long time girlfriend has ended and maybe concussion symptoms, all that could lead to depression. Hopefully seeing Kane and the kids playing above expectations has helped with his mood and he's training too return. It would sure be nice to hear he's at least training. No matter what the issues or injury, it's gonna be a long road to get into game shape. I don't feel confident about his return, but I really hope he plays again. Especially this year.
But if he doesn't play again, I hope he can get healthy.
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 18, 2021 9:55:30 GMT -6
A lot of this makes no sense to me. I will not dispute he had a blowup with Blowman for a multitude of reasons.
But he did play in the bubble and was our best player and led as a leader should. He may not be happy with the
make-up of this team, but he has to see now what Kane has meant to the team and how the kids have worked and played hard.
Imagine how much better some of the new kids would be at center with JT there. So what happened between the bubble and start
of the new season?
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Post by BigT on Mar 18, 2021 13:08:53 GMT -6
A lot of this makes no sense to me. I will not dispute he had a blowup with Blowman for a multitude of reasons. But he did play in the bubble and was our best player and led as a leader should. He may not be happy with the make-up of this team, but he has to see now what Kane has meant to the team and how the kids have worked and played hard. Imagine how much better some of the new kids would be at center with JT there. So what happened between the bubble and start of the new season? I agree. He was at his best during the bubble. Then in 3 months something happened. I’ve heard that he had a blowup with Stan and the org basically told him to take some time and clear your head. Also, Toews was fine until Stan released that letter. Then Toews actually called media outlets to complain about it. They were talking on TSN about how Toews must be very pissed because he never ever comments on things like that. You could see his demeanour changing at last years TDL. Then the off-season in October/November and December were very weird with him calling the media to discuss the Hawks matters etc. Even if that is the case, I’d rather it be that he snapped instead of having a debilitating disease. I’m sure he can get back to normal if he was just going through some stuff. He seems like a person that can overcome anything!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 18, 2021 13:20:49 GMT -6
A lot of this makes no sense to me. I will not dispute he had a blowup with Blowman for a multitude of reasons. But he did play in the bubble and was our best player and led as a leader should. He may not be happy with the make-up of this team, but he has to see now what Kane has meant to the team and how the kids have worked and played hard. Imagine how much better some of the new kids would be at center with JT there. So what happened between the bubble and start of the new season? I agree. He was at his best during the bubble. Then in 3 months something happened. I’ve heard that he had a blowup with Stan and the org basically told him to take some time and clear your head. Also, Toews was fine until Stan released that letter. Then Toews actually called media outlets to complain about it. They were talking on TSN about how Toews must be very pissed because he never ever comments on things like that. You could see his demeanour changing at last years TDL. Then the off-season in October/November and December were very weird with him calling the media to discuss the Hawks matters etc. Even if that is the case, I’d rather it be that he snapped instead of having a debilitating disease. I’m sure he can get back to normal if he was just going through some stuff. He seems like a person that can overcome anything!!! We don't seem to talk about JT maybe like you said "snapped" has been caused by several concussions he's had. Seems like that topic is taboo from the ORG. just saying he was "fine" after each one. Have they horribly caught up to him? I hope not as that is quite serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:52:39 GMT -6
Lyme Disease
has had it for a while, it's something there is no cure for but can be treated to make it manageable but apparently no longer manageable to the point he can play at a high level.
That's the most recent update I got.
Which, considering other things floating around out there, is MUCH better than those.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 19, 2021 7:15:45 GMT -6
Lyme Disease has had it for a while, it's something there is no cure for but can be treated to make it manageable but apparently no longer manageable to the point he can play at a high level. That's the most recent update I got. Which, considering other things floating around out there, is MUCH better than those. I'm just curious Merp,was this info released by Toews medical people or anyone else on his side or was it leaked which is a major HIPPA violation? I know SB can be a spin doctor but he said it was "nothing scary" a while back and he's in "good spirits" and "I don't think he's quite there yet,but hopefully he will be soon". I don't have a clue at this point and I hope SB is leveling with us. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 18:27:55 GMT -6
Lyme Disease has had it for a while, it's something there is no cure for but can be treated to make it manageable but apparently no longer manageable to the point he can play at a high level. That's the most recent update I got. Which, considering other things floating around out there, is MUCH better than those. I'm just curious Merp,was this info released by Toews medical people or anyone else on his side or was it leaked which is a major HIPPA violation? I know SB can be a spin doctor but he said it was "nothing scary" a while back and he's in "good spirits" and "I don't think he's quite there yet,but hopefully he will be soon". I don't have a clue at this point and I hope SB is leveling with us. I think he’s had it for a while and everyone in the franchise knows. So it’s kind of a leak but not sure HIPPA comes into play here. The hope is he can return and other treatments can continue to help as they had for years. But the fact they’ve exceeded expectations and are kinda in the playoff hunt and he still hasn’t hinted at a return is telling. When bowman says it’s “nothing scary” I think that’s his way of tempering down the chatter of a life-threatening disease. Lyme disease people can live with for a long time and have a relatively normal life. Just probably can’t continue to play hockey at an elite NHL level. Which compared to some alternatives out there is definitely ok by me. (Not that I want him to retire but if it’s that or that combined with death at a young age I’ll take a retirement). |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 20, 2021 7:30:04 GMT -6
I'm just curious Merp,was this info released by Toews medical people or anyone else on his side or was it leaked which is a major HIPPA violation? I know SB can be a spin doctor but he said it was "nothing scary" a while back and he's in "good spirits" and "I don't think he's quite there yet,but hopefully he will be soon". I don't have a clue at this point and I hope SB is leveling with us. I think he’s had it for a while and everyone in the franchise knows. So it’s kind of a leak but not sure HIPPA comes into play here. The hope is he can return and other treatments can continue to help as they had for years. But the fact they’ve exceeded expectations and are kinda in the playoff hunt and he still hasn’t hinted at a return is telling. When bowman says it’s “nothing scary” I think that’s his way of tempering down the chatter of a life-threatening disease. Lyme disease people can live with for a long time and have a relatively normal life. Just probably can’t continue to play hockey at an elite NHL level. Which compared to some alternatives out there is definitely ok by me. (Not that I want him to retire but if it’s that or that combined with death at a young age I’ll take a retirement). What ever happened to the ALS rumor or the depression rumor or the concussion symptom rumor(even though he ain't had one in years) and I also heard losing his GF pushed him over the edge and he blew up at SB........we certainly have all the bases covered. If Toews health info is leaked without his permission, I have to think HIPPA laws would apply. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 20, 2021 8:27:33 GMT -6
I agree. He was at his best during the bubble. Then in 3 months something happened. I’ve heard that he had a blowup with Stan and the org basically told him to take some time and clear your head. Also, Toews was fine until Stan released that letter. Then Toews actually called media outlets to complain about it. They were talking on TSN about how Toews must be very pissed because he never ever comments on things like that. You could see his demeanour changing at last years TDL. Then the off-season in October/November and December were very weird with him calling the media to discuss the Hawks matters etc. Even if that is the case, I’d rather it be that he snapped instead of having a debilitating disease. I’m sure he can get back to normal if he was just going through some stuff. He seems like a person that can overcome anything!!! We don't seem to talk about JT maybe like you said "snapped" has been caused by several concussions he's had. Seems like that topic is taboo from the ORG. just saying he was "fine" after each one. Have they horribly caught up to him? I hope not as that is quite serious. Concussions can indeed have a delayed affect but JT hasn't has one we know of in years nor has he missed long stretches of games that would suggest a concussion. Can anyone say the JT we saw back in August when he bested the best player in the game looked the least bit unhealthy or unfit? I don't have a clue and I admit the mysterious nature of the issue will lead to speculation after so long a time. Crawford also looked to be on top of his game back in August and now he's retired so what do I know? My sources are you guys!LOFL! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Mar 20, 2021 11:08:39 GMT -6
Googling "Lyme disease" :
Most Lyme disease is curable with antibiotics, particularly when the infection is diagnosed and treated early. Later stages might require longer-term, intravenous antibiotics.
I haven't found anywhere that states Lyme disease is not curable. Not saying I know for sure - just that the Great Google isn't agreeing with the not-curable prognosis.
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Post by hawks27 on Mar 20, 2021 12:33:41 GMT -6
When I googled "Lyme desease" it listed symptoms, which included joint pain (esp. knees) and fatigue. That sort of matches what might be going on with Jonny. Hope he can get it fixed and return, even at less than HIS 100% would be ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 12:47:55 GMT -6
Googling "Lyme disease" : Most Lyme disease is curable with antibiotics, particularly when the infection is diagnosed and treated early. Later stages might require longer-term, intravenous antibiotics. I haven't found anywhere that states Lyme disease is not curable. Not saying I know for sure - just that the Great Google isn't agreeing with the not-curable prognosis. It's treatable, not 100% curable as in it completely goes away. It can also become resistant to antibiotics over time. Here's a good article about it: www.healthline.com/health-news/painful-debilitating-long-term-effects-of-lyme-disease |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 13:32:11 GMT -6
I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on TV but I became familiar with a Lyme disease back in 2009 when a girl I was dating back in Connecticut had it. She didn’t show a ton of side effects other than being tired like ALL the time. We were in our 20s and she couldn’t stay out past like 9:30-10 on a weekend if we were with a group of friends aren’t a loud bar. She’d start falling asleep standing up.
Anyway as I understand it part of truly treating it is catching it early before it has a chance to gain a strong hold inside your body.
My curiosity for Toews or any other pro athlete who gets it is if they have trouble with early detection because they are in such amazing physical condition. Ya know World-class athletes. Unfortunately I feel like that could make it more difficult to notice something is wrong and react quickly.
Just a thought.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 20, 2021 18:08:26 GMT -6
So Scotland Yard has determined a Lime disease diagnosis.......it's great to finally know what happened. I still suspect 'Industrial disease'...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3X3rKtruSg |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 20, 2021 18:13:15 GMT -6
So Scotland Yard has determined a Lime disease diagnosis.......it's great to finally know what happened. In still suspect 'Industrial disease'...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3X3rKtruSg |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 5, 2021 16:38:41 GMT -6
if i had to bet, i'd say it's covid related and it's affecting his heart. any other year than this one, i wouldn't even try to guess. it's just too big of a coincidence that an athletic health freak like our captain contracts a mystery ailment while a pandemic ravages the planet. been a while since anyone's come up with more baseless opinions about our captain so here's another. this is the kind of thing i was guessing he might be battling. or maybe not. anyways...to save you reading the whole article, here's a couple bullet points. it's about wild's prospect marco rossi. Last November, Rossi was diagnosed with COVID-19. Following his recovery, he captained Austria at the World Junior Championship in January but continued to feel fatigued. After Austria was eliminated from the tournament in just four games, Rossi traveled to Minnesota for the Wild's training camp.
During the NHL's mandatory COVID-19 quarantine protocol, doctors found some alarming numbers in his bloodwork during his pre-training camp physical. During that examination, doctors discovered Rossi had myocarditis, a broad term that essentially means an inflammation of the heart. After undergoing more tests, it was determined that he would not be cleared to play.
Despite his struggles, doctors are confident that Rossi’s on the mend. In mid-May, he will have more tests in Dornbirn, Austria, where Rossi said medical experts have examined several athletes who have returned to sports after being diagnosed with similar heart conditions. If cleared, he can begin working out again.theathletic.com/news/wilds-marco-rossi-opens-up-about-heart-condition-that-forced-him-off-the-ice/oYYjA2KvEaol |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2021 8:17:45 GMT -6
if i had to bet, i'd say it's covid related and it's affecting his heart. any other year than this one, i wouldn't even try to guess. it's just too big of a coincidence that an athletic health freak like our captain contracts a mystery ailment while a pandemic ravages the planet. been a while since anyone's come up with more baseless opinions about our captain so here's another. this is the kind of thing i was guessing he might be battling. or maybe not. anyways...to save you reading the whole article, here's a couple bullet points. it's about wild's prospect marco rossi. Last November, Rossi was diagnosed with COVID-19. Following his recovery, he captained Austria at the World Junior Championship in January but continued to feel fatigued. After Austria was eliminated from the tournament in just four games, Rossi traveled to Minnesota for the Wild's training camp.
During the NHL's mandatory COVID-19 quarantine protocol, doctors found some alarming numbers in his bloodwork during his pre-training camp physical. During that examination, doctors discovered Rossi had myocarditis, a broad term that essentially means an inflammation of the heart. After undergoing more tests, it was determined that he would not be cleared to play.
Despite his struggles, doctors are confident that Rossi’s on the mend. In mid-May, he will have more tests in Dornbirn, Austria, where Rossi said medical experts have examined several athletes who have returned to sports after being diagnosed with similar heart conditions. If cleared, he can begin working out again.theathletic.com/news/wilds-marco-rossi-opens-up-about-heart-condition-that-forced-him-off-the-ice/oYYjA2KvEaolIf it is a health issue as all sides have said and I give all involved their latitude,it could indeed be covid long haul symptoms. It would be extremely rare for an uber healthy 32yro to get severely I'll from the disease but it has happened. I've seen stories of 30 somethings who ran a marathon in '19' that were barely able to climb a flight of stairs eight months after their diagnosis. This is pure speculation of course. I don't remember much of the Vegas series last summer with the exception of CC's play.........anybody notice a high or questionable hit JT took in the last few games,I didn't. I don't think either of us are spreading rumors,just channeling out inner 'Holmes and Watson'.......LOL! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 6, 2021 8:31:16 GMT -6
been a while since anyone's come up with more baseless opinions about our captain so here's another. this is the kind of thing i was guessing he might be battling. or maybe not. anyways...to save you reading the whole article, here's a couple bullet points. it's about wild's prospect marco rossi. Last November, Rossi was diagnosed with COVID-19. Following his recovery, he captained Austria at the World Junior Championship in January but continued to feel fatigued. After Austria was eliminated from the tournament in just four games, Rossi traveled to Minnesota for the Wild's training camp.
During the NHL's mandatory COVID-19 quarantine protocol, doctors found some alarming numbers in his bloodwork during his pre-training camp physical. During that examination, doctors discovered Rossi had myocarditis, a broad term that essentially means an inflammation of the heart. After undergoing more tests, it was determined that he would not be cleared to play.
Despite his struggles, doctors are confident that Rossi’s on the mend. In mid-May, he will have more tests in Dornbirn, Austria, where Rossi said medical experts have examined several athletes who have returned to sports after being diagnosed with similar heart conditions. If cleared, he can begin working out again.theathletic.com/news/wilds-marco-rossi-opens-up-about-heart-condition-that-forced-him-off-the-ice/oYYjA2KvEaolI don't think either of us are spreading rumors,just channeling out inner 'Holmes and Watson'.......LOL! aye. that's why i wanted to make it clear it was just another baseless opinion to add to the heap. man, i hope when camp opens he's the first one banging at the door to get into their practice facility. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2021 8:49:00 GMT -6
I don't think either of us are spreading rumors,just channeling out inner 'Holmes and Watson'.......LOL! aye. that's why i wanted to make it clear it was just another baseless opinion to add to the heap. man, i hope when camp opens he's the first one banging at the door to get into their practice facility. I think we've both been respectful and so have most of us here but 'comes a time' in my opinion. I think an update of some kind would be appropriate after the PO's come to an end to be honest. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 6, 2021 8:58:26 GMT -6
aye. that's why i wanted to make it clear it was just another baseless opinion to add to the heap. man, i hope when camp opens he's the first one banging at the door to get into their practice facility. I think we've both been respectful and so have most of us here but 'comes a time' in my opinion. I think an update of some kind would be appropriate after the PO's come to an end to be honest. I've decided to just figure that JT won't be returning and the team moves on. If he returns that would be 50% improvement of the team. A true #1 center and superstar. Not to mention he alone would stabilize almost any combo of the top 6 players. I would have Strome as 2nd line center and give Dach 3rd line to really learn. But could swap them both if needed due to injury or slumping play. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2021 9:09:50 GMT -6
I think we've both been respectful and so have most of us here but 'comes a time' in my opinion. I think an update of some kind would be appropriate after the PO's come to an end to be honest. I've decided to just figure that JT won't be returning and the team moves on. If he returns that would be 50% improvement of the team. A true #1 center and superstar. Not to mention he alone would stabilize almost any combo of the top 6 players. I would have Strome as 2nd line center and give Dach 3rd line to really learn. But could swap them both if needed due to injury or slumping play. The team has some important decisions coming up over the next two months or so.......gotta think they know for sure by then. I agree with every word in your post and I admit to some fear he'll never play again myself,we've seen guys like Luck walk away from the NFL and Buff walk away from big $$$.....CC up and retired kinda out of nowhere too.........I hope like HELL this ain't the case with JT. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 6, 2021 9:12:31 GMT -6
aye. that's why i wanted to make it clear it was just another baseless opinion to add to the heap. man, i hope when camp opens he's the first one banging at the door to get into their practice facility. I think we've both been respectful and so have most of us here but 'comes a time' in my opinion. I think an update of some kind would be appropriate after the PO's come to an end to be honest. i don't pay his salary but there's a shitload of season ticket holder's who do, so yeah. the time for some real info should be approaching i think. don't get me wrong...i'm sincerely all in for a person's privacy but for an elite (and incredibly wealthy) athlete like JT it's a bit different. people pay big $$ to be entertained by stars like him and many like me and countless others who have never spent a penny at the UC still devote a sizeable chunk of our lives to support this team. so yeah. i agree. i hope something comes out sooner than later. i'm wondering. can anyone remember another nhl player who's injury or reason for absence has been so shrouded in mystery? |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2021 9:22:20 GMT -6
I think we've both been respectful and so have most of us here but 'comes a time' in my opinion. I think an update of some kind would be appropriate after the PO's come to an end to be honest. i don't pay his salary but there's a shitload of season ticket holder's who do, so yeah. the time for some real info should be approaching i think. don't get me wrong...i'm sincerely all in for a person's privacy but for an elite (and incredibly wealthy) athlete like JT it's a bit different. people pay big $$ to be entertained by stars like him and many like me and countless others who have never spent a penny at the UC still devote a sizeable chunk of our lives to support this team. so yeah. i agree. i hope something comes out sooner than later. i'm wondering. can anyone remember another nhl player who's injury or reason for absence has been so shrouded in mystery? The only thing that even comes close IMO,was Crawford's situation a few years ago. I don't think any reasonable person didn't realize it was concussion issues but there were rumors of drug re-hab and other goofy stuff floating around when he was out for so long. Let's hope Dreger was on to something when he said JT will play next year.....he usually doesn't blow smoke. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2021 16:54:43 GMT -6
this thread is fun to read through now... lol.
considering what he had happening, I can see where the lyme disease rumors came from, though.
glad he finally was able to come out and let everyone know he was good and on his way back. looking forward to seeing the Captain on the ice again come October!
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