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Post by vadarx on Jun 26, 2020 17:49:30 GMT -6
I like Dach but when did the Hawks become the NHL 'draft kings' for F's sake? Dach looks good for his age but eight goals leaves me wanting and 33% at the dot suggests we might have a young winger on our hands. He looks very promising for his age and size but much development is necessary. I know this is a goalie thread, but this was my fear in regards to Dach before the last draft. there was a lot of rumbling that he might be better off at wing than at center. plus, Stan and Co decided to place their brains in quarantine well before the 'rona hit (what foresight!) and did not give the youngster another year in juniors to develop a little more and work more on being a center..... with his size, reach, and willingness to back check, perhaps we should have him strapped down, Clockwork style, watching the newly minted HOFer's game tapes. he could be a beast on that level, perhaps minus a bit of the scoring prowess. I'd take that all day long..... |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 26, 2020 23:28:34 GMT -6
Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, My comments were quite windy and touched on numerous peeves of mine. I believe Stan has done a good job of drafting so on this we have some agreement. |
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 27, 2020 9:12:44 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with that Kelly has done a great job drafting players, till Stan trades them for quick fixes, I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, |
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 27, 2020 9:14:53 GMT -6
I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, My comments were quite windy and touched on numerous peeves of mine. I believe Stan has done a good job of drafting so on this we have some agreement. Sorry Nighbor , that was more for T than you , I think he has done a fine job with drafting , I would like someone to go back and tell me who they would have taken instead of who we did take |
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2020 12:07:39 GMT -6
I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, Going back is pointless and a waste of time. Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? Or on the Sabres? The point is, we have to develop kids. Dach never should have been here this year. He wasn’t ready and it showed. It would have been nice if he played Jrs, had a shot at a WJC and dominate. Imagine if he ended up with 135 points for the Blades, and won a WJC, then looked like the best prospect in the sport? He had the chance to be that and come in at 19 and make an impact. Stan thought he’d be the smartest non hockey guy in a room full of hockey guys. That is how you ruin a kid. Same with Boqvist. He clearly wasn’t ready and should have been in the AHL for the whole year. If these kids don’t pan out, it’s all Bowman’s fault. Not the scouts etc. This is why you can never look back on a draft and say we should a taken this guy instead. It’s not going to change anything, and if your GM ruins a 3rd overall pick, it doesn’t matter who you take. The Sens took the best player to ever come out of Jrs. Alexandre Daigle. It doesn’t matter what team took him, he clearly didn’t want to play hockey and he was more into the rock n roll lifestyle. He was bangin Pam Anderson for a while and hockey just wasn’t part of his plans. If he was dedicated, he’d have been a hall of Famer. He had size, speed, Skill, he was the whole package. Unfortunately he was a man rocket and every lady wanted him. He ended up modelling amongst other things. It didn’t matter if he was a Blue, Hawk, King, Oiler etc. The same goes for other draft picks. If a GM is gonna ruin kids, they’re gonna do it. And I feel Stan has ruined the career of a lot of kids!!! |
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Post by hawks27 on Jun 27, 2020 17:46:36 GMT -6
I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, Going back is pointless and a waste of time. Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? Or on the Sabres? The point is, we have to develop kids. Dach never should have been here this year. He wasn’t ready and it showed. It would have been nice if he played Jrs, had a shot at a WJC and dominate. Imagine if he ended up with 135 points for the Blades, and won a WJC, then looked like the best prospect in the sport? He had the chance to be that and come in at 19 and make an impact. Stan thought he’d be the smartest non hockey guy in a room full of hockey guys. That is how you ruin a kid. Same with Boqvist. He clearly wasn’t ready and should have been in the AHL for the whole year. If these kids don’t pan out, it’s all Bowman’s fault. Not the scouts etc. This is why you can never look back on a draft and say we should a taken this guy instead. It’s not going to change anything, and if your GM ruins a 3rd overall pick, it doesn’t matter who you take. The Sens took the best player to ever come out of Jrs. Alexandre Daigle. It doesn’t matter what team took him, he clearly didn’t want to play hockey and he was more into the rock n roll lifestyle. He was bangin Pam Anderson for a while and hockey just wasn’t part of his plans. If he was dedicated, he’d have been a hall of Famer. He had size, speed, Skill, he was the whole package. Unfortunately he was a man rocket and every lady wanted him. He ended up modelling amongst other things. It didn’t matter if he was a Blue, Hawk, King, Oiler etc. The same goes for other draft picks. If a GM is gonna ruin kids, they’re gonna do it. And I feel Stan has ruined the career of a lot of kids!!! So T, you are saying that Daigle could have potentially led the NHL in scoring, both on and off the ice?  |
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2020 17:54:14 GMT -6
Going back is pointless and a waste of time. Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? Or on the Sabres? The point is, we have to develop kids. Dach never should have been here this year. He wasn’t ready and it showed. It would have been nice if he played Jrs, had a shot at a WJC and dominate. Imagine if he ended up with 135 points for the Blades, and won a WJC, then looked like the best prospect in the sport? He had the chance to be that and come in at 19 and make an impact. Stan thought he’d be the smartest non hockey guy in a room full of hockey guys. That is how you ruin a kid. Same with Boqvist. He clearly wasn’t ready and should have been in the AHL for the whole year. If these kids don’t pan out, it’s all Bowman’s fault. Not the scouts etc. This is why you can never look back on a draft and say we should a taken this guy instead. It’s not going to change anything, and if your GM ruins a 3rd overall pick, it doesn’t matter who you take. The Sens took the best player to ever come out of Jrs. Alexandre Daigle. It doesn’t matter what team took him, he clearly didn’t want to play hockey and he was more into the rock n roll lifestyle. He was bangin Pam Anderson for a while and hockey just wasn’t part of his plans. If he was dedicated, he’d have been a hall of Famer. He had size, speed, Skill, he was the whole package. Unfortunately he was a man rocket and every lady wanted him. He ended up modelling amongst other things. It didn’t matter if he was a Blue, Hawk, King, Oiler etc. The same goes for other draft picks. If a GM is gonna ruin kids, they’re gonna do it. And I feel Stan has ruined the career of a lot of kids!!! So T, you are saying that Daigle could have potentially led the NHL in scoring, both on and off the ice? He did off the ice! And I guess that’s all that counted for him!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2020 18:37:44 GMT -6
My comments were quite windy and touched on numerous peeves of mine. I believe Stan has done a good job of drafting so on this we have some agreement. Sorry Nighbor , that was more for T than you , I think he has done a fine job with drafting , I would like someone to go back and tell me who they would have taken instead of who we did take Mathew Highmore and Dylan Sikura were and still are the best forwards Rockford had/has to offer the big club...…...wonderful! We do have the next Duncan Keith and Eric Karlsson though so there's that. The Lil dudes. I point out realities with Dach but I DO believe he's a very good pick and a fortunate turn at the lotto. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2020 18:38:31 GMT -6
So T, you are saying that Daigle could have potentially led the NHL in scoring, both on and off the ice? He did off the ice! And I guess that’s all that counted for him!!! Man does not live by bread or hockey alone! |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 28, 2020 0:24:38 GMT -6
Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
I don’t know. Everything you say sounds great to Stan Bowman. I’d bet he’d say “EXACTLY, RIGHT?” Truth of the matter is, Stan Bowman has had more picks than you care to mention. He’s traded a lot of guys away for picks and prospects and he’s failed for a decade. At some point you have to concede to the fact that he just doesn’t land many, and he definitely doesn’t develop any decent players. The farm has been a disaster ever since he plucked the last few of his predecessors picks. At some point every GM has their own guys. It’s just the way she goes. Stan’s guys pretty much are a step or two lower than what we had. Even Pitt developed quite a few picks over the last 5-7 years. Stan Bowman? Not much. And before anyone says you need high picks to get good players is not paying attention. Yes the best come out of the top. But I’ve seen Dcat come out of a second round. I’ve seen Teravainen middle first round. But he either trades them or ruins them, like he is with Dcat. And yes, this year is proof positive that Dcat will be ruined if they keep pulling the stunts they did this past year. He’ll be requesting a trade soon if he keeps being played with 3/4 liners. He did what Q said and they won because of it. Then he started to flex some muscle he didn’t have and he thought he could trade away top players for next tier players and it crushed the team. He wanted his own team, so he got rid of the guy that was mainly in charge.... Q. Ever since Q was sacked, the team has been horrible to double horrible to triple horrible. Blaming it on draft position is nothing more than excuses. Stan has had a #8 pick and a #3. The team hasn’t gotten better. It’s gotten worse. He also had the luxury of picking early in the 2nd round now too. So the picks have been there, the money was there the past 2 summers, and now he’s out of excuses and so are his loyalists. It’s just time to shed the Bowman skin and start fresh. GMs rarely last as long as he does. I guess any of his fans can wear that as a badge. And I say take it and run. I warned everyone this would happen!!! Championship team are expensive and in the salary cap era we are required to move second tier players to fit under the cap. Teams are not going to do you any favours when they have you over a barrel therefore they give you squat in trades But a trade must be completed anyway. If Stan has been a failure for a decade why do we have three Stanley Cups this decade. More importantly why are our centers not named McDavid, Matthews and Toews.
Yes there are some good players in the middle of the first and early second round. Teravainen (18th), Schmaltz(20th), Saad (43), DeBrincat (39) and Stan was smart enough to draft them. DeBrincat in his third season had his sophomore slump a year late. Playing first or second line talent against 3-4 liners should create a mismatch resulting in extra scoring chances.
It became clear to Stan that the team needed new blood and it was time to do some housecleaning. Stan was embarrassed at how our team that was operating on all cylinders a week before the playoff came out flat and uninterested. Nashville owned us. The GM has always had the authority over the coach and Stan started exercising it. To say otherwise is like saying that BigT and I are sub servant to our children and they rule the roost. Stan made two trades, one for cost certainty and one Hjalmarsson who was getting older and through his career was a shot blocking machine possibly one block away from serious injury. There were many on this board mad at Stan for not trading Gus last summer when his value was highest and blaming Stan for doing so with Hjalmarsson.
The team was horrible before Q was fired and it carried on after. I was hoping JC would get one contract to fix things and that is not unreasonable. The first eight years of lousy draft positions is not an excuse it is a reality. Two good draft positions cannot wipe out eight years of bad positioning. Remember when Edmonton had a run on #1 overall picks. They finished this season just six seeds ahead of us. Stan drafted Adam Boqvist at #8 and Kirby Dach at #3 and both are playing in the NHL and are both contributing. Stan's picks are starting to work their way through the systems. The team has improved and headed in the right direction. There are some good prospects in juniors and colleges who will be here shortly fighting for jobs. Stan has made excellent picks lately with his better draft positioning. This past season Stan had brought in a #3 and #4 d-man. Calvin de Haan before his injury was leading the team in +/-. I am a Stan loyalist and proud of it. As I said before two years of early picks doesn't offset the previous eight years of late picks.
I hope that Stan gets to see the fruits of his labors. In the next two to three years the players drafted the last two years will be ready to fight for jobs and we get to properly evaluate his picks.
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Post by Tater on Jun 28, 2020 0:52:18 GMT -6
He did off the ice! And I guess that’s all that counted for him!!! Man does not live by bread or hockey alone! The hell you say!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 28, 2020 0:53:07 GMT -6
I hope that Stan gets to see the fruits of his labors. In the next two to three years the players drafted the last two years will be ready to fight for jobs and we get to properly evaluate his picks.
won't say i'm in full agreement but you made your points clear and you're taking an unfavorable side in this argument so you get a thumbs up for that at least. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 28, 2020 8:12:24 GMT -6
I don’t know. Everything you say sounds great to Stan Bowman. I’d bet he’d say “EXACTLY, RIGHT?” Truth of the matter is, Stan Bowman has had more picks than you care to mention. He’s traded a lot of guys away for picks and prospects and he’s failed for a decade. At some point you have to concede to the fact that he just doesn’t land many, and he definitely doesn’t develop any decent players. The farm has been a disaster ever since he plucked the last few of his predecessors picks. At some point every GM has their own guys. It’s just the way she goes. Stan’s guys pretty much are a step or two lower than what we had. Even Pitt developed quite a few picks over the last 5-7 years. Stan Bowman? Not much. And before anyone says you need high picks to get good players is not paying attention. Yes the best come out of the top. But I’ve seen Dcat come out of a second round. I’ve seen Teravainen middle first round. But he either trades them or ruins them, like he is with Dcat. And yes, this year is proof positive that Dcat will be ruined if they keep pulling the stunts they did this past year. He’ll be requesting a trade soon if he keeps being played with 3/4 liners. He did what Q said and they won because of it. Then he started to flex some muscle he didn’t have and he thought he could trade away top players for next tier players and it crushed the team. He wanted his own team, so he got rid of the guy that was mainly in charge.... Q. Ever since Q was sacked, the team has been horrible to double horrible to triple horrible. Blaming it on draft position is nothing more than excuses. Stan has had a #8 pick and a #3. The team hasn’t gotten better. It’s gotten worse. He also had the luxury of picking early in the 2nd round now too. So the picks have been there, the money was there the past 2 summers, and now he’s out of excuses and so are his loyalists. It’s just time to shed the Bowman skin and start fresh. GMs rarely last as long as he does. I guess any of his fans can wear that as a badge. And I say take it and run. I warned everyone this would happen!!! Championship team are expensive and in the salary cap era we are required to move second tier players to fit under the cap. Teams are not going to do you any favours when they have you over a barrel therefore they give you squat in trades But a trade must be completed anyway. If Stan has been a failure for a decade why do we have three Stanley Cups this decade. More importantly why are our centers not named McDavid, Matthews and Toews.
Yes there are some good players in the middle of the first and early second round. Teravainen (18th), Schmaltz(20th), Saad (43), DeBrincat (39) and Stan was smart enough to draft them. DeBrincat in his third season had his sophomore slump a year late. Playing first or second line talent against 3-4 liners should create a mismatch resulting in extra scoring chances.
It became clear to Stan that the team needed new blood and it was time to do some housecleaning. Stan was embarrassed at how our team that was operating on all cylinders a week before the playoff came out flat and uninterested. Nashville owned us. The GM has always had the authority over the coach and Stan started exercising it. To say otherwise is like saying that BigT and I are sub servant to our children and they rule the roost. Stan made two trades, one for cost certainty and one Hjalmarsson who was getting older and through his career was a shot blocking machine possibly one block away from serious injury. There were many on this board mad at Stan for not trading Gus last summer when his value was highest and blaming Stan for doing so with Hjalmarsson.
The team was horrible before Q was fired and it carried on after. I was hoping JC would get one contract to fix things and that is not unreasonable. The first eight years of lousy draft positions is not an excuse it is a reality. Two good draft positions cannot wipe out eight years of bad positioning. Remember when Edmonton had a run on #1 overall picks. They finished this season just six seeds ahead of us. Stan drafted Adam Boqvist at #8 and Kirby Dach at #3 and both are playing in the NHL and are both contributing. Stan's picks are starting to work their way through the systems. The team has improved and headed in the right direction. There are some good prospects in juniors and colleges who will be here shortly fighting for jobs. Stan has made excellent picks lately with his better draft positioning. This past season Stan had brought in a #3 and #4 d-man. Calvin de Haan before his injury was leading the team in +/-. I am a Stan loyalist and proud of it. As I said before two years of early picks doesn't offset the previous eight years of late picks.
I hope that Stan gets to see the fruits of his labors. In the next two to three years the players drafted the last two years will be ready to fight for jobs and we get to properly evaluate his picks.
Jon Cooper,who was OWNED by Q in the SCF(watched it again last night) got swept out in the 1st after putting up the best season ever......should he be fired? Q's a child? SB's an incompetent boob who squandered a massive amount of cap space,picks and prospects last summer and you oughta be able to point to a few good picks after 10 years! Who's the next forward up from Rockford and why has the team been basically a last place team since a boob was allowed to fire a HoF'r? Keeping in the spirit of fairness that gt exhibited above,I have to say your post is well written.....I just disagree. |
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Post by shooter 61 on Jun 28, 2020 9:11:06 GMT -6
I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, Going back is pointless and a waste of time. Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? Or on the Sabres? The point is, we have to develop kids. Dach never should have been here this year. He wasn’t ready and it showed. It would have been nice if he played Jrs, had a shot at a WJC and dominate. Imagine if he ended up with 135 points for the Blades, and won a WJC, He had the chance to be that and come in at 19 and make an impact. Stan thought he’d be the smartest non hockey guy in a room full of hockey guys. That is how you ruin a kid. Same with Boqvist. He clearly wasn’t ready and should have been in the AHL for the whole year. If these kids don’t pan out, it’s all Bowman’s fault. Not the scouts etc. This is why you can never look back on a draft and say we should a taken this guy instead. It’s not going to change anything, and if your GM ruins a 3rd overall pick, it doesn’t matter who you take. The Sens took the best player to ever come out of Jrs. Alexandre Daigle. It doesn’t matter what team took him, he clearly didn’t want to play hockey and he was more into the rock n roll lifestyle. He was bangin Pam Anderson for a while and hockey just wasn’t part of his plans. If he was dedicated, he’d have been a hall of Famer. He had size, speed, Skill, he was the whole package. Unfortunately he was a man rocket and every lady wanted him. He ended up modelling amongst other things. It didn’t matter if he was a Blue, Hawk, King, Oiler etc. The same goes for other draft picks. If a GM is gonna ruin kids, they’re gonna do it. And I feel (Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? ) who's to say he wouldn't , So your saying the team makes the player great , that means if crosby was on any other team he wouldn't be the player he is , or kane for that matter. Dach was ready and it showed , he played, didn't sit and learned alot, same as Boqvist, being on a team and watching pros prepare for games is not something you get domiating JR's, and what kids did Stan ruin ? |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 28, 2020 12:19:00 GMT -6
I hope that Stan gets to see the fruits of his labors. In the next two to three years the players drafted the last two years will be ready to fight for jobs and we get to properly evaluate his picks.
won't say i'm in full agreement but you made your points clear and you're taking an unfavorable side in this argument so you get a thumbs up for that at least. Thank you for the thumbs up. It was quite uplifting. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2020 13:52:42 GMT -6
Going back is pointless and a waste of time. Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? Or on the Sabres? The point is, we have to develop kids. Dach never should have been here this year. He wasn’t ready and it showed. It would have been nice if he played Jrs, had a shot at a WJC and dominate. Imagine if he ended up with 135 points for the Blades, and won a WJC, He had the chance to be that and come in at 19 and make an impact. Stan thought he’d be the smartest non hockey guy in a room full of hockey guys. That is how you ruin a kid. Same with Boqvist. He clearly wasn’t ready and should have been in the AHL for the whole year. If these kids don’t pan out, it’s all Bowman’s fault. Not the scouts etc. This is why you can never look back on a draft and say we should a taken this guy instead. It’s not going to change anything, and if your GM ruins a 3rd overall pick, it doesn’t matter who you take. The Sens took the best player to ever come out of Jrs. Alexandre Daigle. It doesn’t matter what team took him, he clearly didn’t want to play hockey and he was more into the rock n roll lifestyle. He was bangin Pam Anderson for a while and hockey just wasn’t part of his plans. If he was dedicated, he’d have been a hall of Famer. He had size, speed, Skill, he was the whole package. Unfortunately he was a man rocket and every lady wanted him. He ended up modelling amongst other things. It didn’t matter if he was a Blue, Hawk, King, Oiler etc. The same goes for other draft picks. If a GM is gonna ruin kids, they’re gonna do it. And I feel (Who’s to say that Pastrnak would be the player he is on the Wings? ) who's to say he wouldn't , So your saying the team makes the player great , that means if crosby was on any other team he wouldn't be the player he is , or kane for that matter. Dach was ready and it showed , he played, didn't sit and learned alot, same as Boqvist, being on a team and watching pros prepare for games is not something you get domiating JR's, and what kids did Stan ruin ? Stan admitted to bringing up Boqvist sooner than he wanted because the Hawks had very minimal options. Mainly due to his overspending and screwing up every other area of the team. The Hawks have been trending towards the basement for a while. The team was mismanaged, terrible. I’m not really into debating it much anymore. If you can honestly find solace in his failures, awesome. I’m happy for you. All the proof has been said ad nauseam, and it’s getting old talking about the same things all the time. Stan sucks at his job, I don’t have to prove anything, it’s all out there to see. The team is in the tank. That’s enough proof for any court of law to charge him with Franchicide! As for ruining players. It happens every year to a lot of players. There’s a lot more that goes on behind the scenes than most know. Booze, Drugs etc and a lot of teams don’t stop players from doing shit like that. So there’s a lot of factors involved. One main one is bringing in kids that are not ready, and they don’t get the hang of it and turn to booze and drugs etc. Look at Bobby Ryan. Very talented, but probably didn’t reach his potential and hit the bottle hard. No team helped him along the way, and his family finally told him to get help in rehab. Pastrnak was surrounded with great talent and good people, he was given the keys to success from a great franchise. This is why you don’t get rid of champions like Toews and Kane. They can help reinstate the winning culture, not just on the ice, but off the ice. All the guys like Toews and Kane need are talented players, something Stan doesn’t find very often!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 29, 2020 16:56:02 GMT -6
The virus came along at the perfect time for Ol' Stanbo or we're lookin' at last place with three consecutive misses(two since Q was booted) and that's a fact. Now he has a chance to advance against an ice cold team after a gift of a PO spot or he could strike gold in the draft after also being fortunate last year.....it is better to be lucky than good..... blackhawkup.com/2020/06/29/blackhawks-play-series-save-stan-bowman/ |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jul 14, 2020 18:05:24 GMT -6
Exactly Bob, that’s my point. JT already has his hands full. In some way, I also believe better coaching would also bring Strome to play at a higher level. Talent is certainly not the same as years past, but there are players that are very teachable and could be with the right motivation and mentoring very stable players for this team for years to come. I have read the arguments from many posters that Dach should of been in the minors this year, maybe yeah maybe no, but JC can’t coach his way out of a brown paper bag so I find it difficult to make any judgement on this kid and where he should of been. The one thing however that kinda scares me is the organization presently is going to ruin this kid and we won’t ever see what he is capable of. What’s the difference between JC and a bag of 💩? The Bag!!! T, I just can’t comprehend what Rocky sees in Stan, with all his failures in trades, his drafting has been mediocre at best, the salary cap situation is abysmal, he had two of the best players in the NHL in there prime and flushed it down the toilet. He hired a garbage coach and fired a legend, signed players for to long, handed out contracts like he was a brinks truck. Now because he is still in the fold we are watching our younger generation of players in Boqvist, Dach, Strome and Dcat Battle inconsistencies because they have no one to turn to or mentor them, and just wait until Kaner and or Toews let’s management know they don’t want to come back at the end of there contract because they want to win another cup. |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jul 14, 2020 18:05:43 GMT -6
Exactly Bob, that’s my point. JT already has his hands full. In some way, I also believe better coaching would also bring Strome to play at a higher level. Talent is certainly not the same as years past, but there are players that are very teachable and could be with the right motivation and mentoring very stable players for this team for years to come. I have read the arguments from many posters that Dach should of been in the minors this year, maybe yeah maybe no, but JC can’t coach his way out of a brown paper bag so I find it difficult to make any judgement on this kid and where he should of been. The one thing however that kinda scares me is the organization presently is going to ruin this kid and we won’t ever see what he is capable of. What’s the difference between JC and a bag of 💩? The Bag!!! T, I just can’t comprehend what Rocky sees in Stan, with all his failures in trades, his drafting has been mediocre at best, the salary cap situation is abysmal, he had two of the best players in the NHL in there prime and flushed it down the toilet. He hired a garbage coach and fired a legend, signed players for to long, handed out contracts like he was a brinks truck. Now because he is still in the fold we are watching our younger generation of players in Boqvist, Dach, Strome and Dcat Battle inconsistencies because they have no one to turn to or mentor them, and just wait until Kaner and or Toews let’s management know they don’t want to come back at the end of there contract because they want to win another cup. I know we have been down this road a thousand times about our GM, he is a cancer to the team and it has spread to our coaching staff. JC may be a great person, family man, father, who knows, but he ain’t a good coach and that falls on Stan. |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 20, 2020 23:38:24 GMT -6
What’s the difference between JC and a bag of 💩? The Bag!!! T, I just can’t comprehend what Rocky sees in Stan, with all his failures in trades, his drafting has been mediocre at best, the salary cap situation is abysmal, he had two of the best players in the NHL in there prime and flushed it down the toilet. He hired a garbage coach and fired a legend, signed players for to long, handed out contracts like he was a brinks truck. Now because he is still in the fold we are watching our younger generation of players in Boqvist, Dach, Strome and Dcat Battle inconsistencies because they have no one to turn to or mentor them, and just wait until Kaner and or Toews let’s management know they don’t want to come back at the end of there contract because they want to win another cup. Rocky knowing Stan's responsibilities did not see Stan as a failure. Stan handled contract negations including those of Keith and Hossa. Bickell was worth the $4m as a true power forward. Stan is or was not God so he had no way of knowing Bickell would have or develop MS . The $10.5m to Toews and Kane were reasonable and would have been okay if the yearly salary cap grew by the usual amounts. As a business man Rocky knows what happens when someone has you over a barrel. Stan did not want to trade Byfuglien or the others but desperately needed to. Stan was over a barrel and as the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. The problem with winning Stanley cups is a high first or low second round pick year after year where the pickings are slim. (Saad 43rd and Debrincat 39th) being exceptions. Look at how many perceived better GM's than Stan screwed up by passing on these two star players. Over the past few years Stan has picked a number of talented players who have promise and needs time to develop. The question I have to ask you is. Which available players would you have chosen between 2010 and 2017. Examples: In 2005 drafted Jack Skille at #7 -Anze Kopitar available. In 2008 at #11 Kyle Beach and Erik Karlsson available.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jul 24, 2020 15:45:12 GMT -6
T, I just can’t comprehend what Rocky sees in Stan, with all his failures in trades, his drafting has been mediocre at best, the salary cap situation is abysmal, he had two of the best players in the NHL in there prime and flushed it down the toilet. He hired a garbage coach and fired a legend, signed players for to long, handed out contracts like he was a brinks truck. Now because he is still in the fold we are watching our younger generation of players in Boqvist, Dach, Strome and Dcat Battle inconsistencies because they have no one to turn to or mentor them, and just wait until Kaner and or Toews let’s management know they don’t want to come back at the end of there contract because they want to win another cup. Rocky knowing Stan's responsibilities did not see Stan as a failure. Stan handled contract negations including those of Keith and Hossa. Bickell was worth the $4m as a true power forward. Stan is or was not God so he had no way of knowing Bickell would have or develop MS . The $10.5m to Toews and Kane were reasonable and would have been okay if the yearly salary cap grew by the usual amounts. As a business man Rocky knows what happens when someone has you over a barrel. Stan did not want to trade Byfuglien or the others but desperately needed to. Stan was over a barrel and as the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. The problem with winning Stanley cups is a high first or low second round pick year after year where the pickings are slim. (Saad 43rd and Debrincat 39th) being exceptions. Look at how many perceived better GM's than Stan screwed up by passing on these two star players. Over the past few years Stan has picked a number of talented players who have promise and needs time to develop. The question I have to ask you is. Which available players would you have chosen between 2010 and 2017. Examples: In 2005 drafted Jack Skille at #7 -Anze Kopitar available. In 2008 at #11 Kyle Beach and Erik Karlsson available.
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 25, 2020 8:02:08 GMT -6
Rocky knowing Stan's responsibilities did not see Stan as a failure. Stan handled contract negations including those of Keith and Hossa. Bickell was worth the $4m as a true power forward. Stan is or was not God so he had no way of knowing Bickell would have or develop MS . The $10.5m to Toews and Kane were reasonable and would have been okay if the yearly salary cap grew by the usual amounts. As a business man Rocky knows what happens when someone has you over a barrel. Stan did not want to trade Byfuglien or the others but desperately needed to. Stan was over a barrel and as the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. The problem with winning Stanley cups is a high first or low second round pick year after year where the pickings are slim. (Saad 43rd and Debrincat 39th) being exceptions. Look at how many perceived better GM's than Stan screwed up by passing on these two star players. Over the past few years Stan has picked a number of talented players who have promise and needs time to develop. The question I have to ask you is. Which available players would you have chosen between 2010 and 2017. Examples: In 2005 drafted Jack Skille at #7 -Anze Kopitar available. In 2008 at #11 Kyle Beach and Erik Karlsson available.
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. Not to mention, every trade seems to get worse and worse. Bob has touched on this a lot, and it’s a very valid point. The money Stan had last summer was totally pissed away. Getting deHaan and Maatta was stupid at best. Then getting Shaw back seemed like a great idea, but the insider world (including you, you’ve said many times about Shaw’s next concussion is his last) knew about his health. Yet Stan took a chance on Shaw, deHaan, Maatta who’ve all been injured in the past especially the last year or so. Yet he gave up assets to get these injured players. Where we should have gotten a sweetener to take all of them. Every team wanted to shed their bad contract. They did so to Stan and got some value for it. Yet Stan gives away good players to dump bad contracts. All we hear is the same old things, “gotta give a sweetener to dump a bad contract”. Why didn’t Pitt, Carolina and Montreal do that with us. Here’s the main problem. I will say that almost anyone who sticks up for Stan is just a Hawks fan and not an actual hockey fan. Like leaves fans. They don’t give a shyte what the rest of the league is doing, just more Leaves please! And their team has pulled the wool over their eyes time and time again. And this is exactly what Stan is doing to many many people. The only other reason would be, you’d really have to love to argue if you stuck up for Stan. He’s been atrocious for some time now!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 25, 2020 9:11:08 GMT -6
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. Not to mention, every trade seems to get worse and worse. Bob has touched on this a lot, and it’s a very valid point. The money Stan had last summer was totally pissed away. Getting deHaan and Maatta was stupid at best. Then getting Shaw back seemed like a great idea, but the insider world (including you, you’ve said many times about Shaw’s next concussion is his last) knew about his health. Yet Stan took a chance on Shaw, deHaan, Maatta who’ve all been injured in the past especially the last year or so. Yet he gave up assets to get these injured players. Where we should have gotten a sweetener to take all of them. Every team wanted to shed their bad contract. They did so to Stan and got some value for it. Yet Stan gives away good players to dump bad contracts. All we hear is the same old things, “gotta give a sweetener to dump a bad contract”. Why didn’t Pitt, Carolina and Montreal do that with us. Here’s the main problem. I will say that almost anyone who sticks up for Stan is just a Hawks fan and not an actual hockey fan. Like leaves fans. They don’t give a shyte what the rest of the league is doing, just more Leaves please! And their team has pulled the wool over their eyes time and time again. And this is exactly what Stan is doing to many many people. The only other reason would be, you’d really have to love to argue if you stuck up for Stan. He’s been atrocious for some time now!!! SB made a few decent trades in years past like Vermette and Handzus and I supported him when he did as you well know but the last few years were awful trade-wise and I sure as hell can't support that. Losing Shaw when we did was a mistake,JT and Q both lobbied their GM not to move him to no avail........the team hasn't won a single postseason game since. I welcomed him back due mostly to the team's OVERWHELMING lack of push back and pack mentality but I did so knowing what you pointed out. I posted that article on the old boards after the 17-18 season and it quoted Shaw himself discussing the severity of his last two concussions and how he hid the symptoms from his team. I was hoping an injury free,productive season would repeat itself but SB gambled on it and so far has lost. The ONLY way a team brings in Shaw is if they have a few heavies to handle the rough stuff and we'll never have a few heavies again as long as current management's in place. The Habs were on the hook for 3 more at 3.9M for a player they knew "his next concussion could be his last",as did nearly everone else and they still got a 2nd and a 3rd in return? I has some expectations of Smith coming in and offering what I also expected Shaw to but not at the cost of a legit,starting NHL center and Smith offered little but some PK ability and never once came to the aid of a team mate after doing so in the past with his last team.........THIS speaks volumes to what's required here! AA was a vastly superior player and a much needed center,other than D-Cat's shooting percentage,AA's net-front work was the one major piece missing from a PP that collapsed from the year before. I didn't overly criticize either de Haan or Maata and IMO,both are legit starters and not undersized when healthy but they're overpaid by 3-4M between em......what's 3-4M between friends? What frosted my ass about last summer was the amount of prospects,which he traded for Nolander,picks,which he traded for Shaw and cap space which he generally wasted on almost every acquisition. Could the 8.4M and a decent,young forward (Kahun) spent on de Haan and Maata acquired a real good D-man instead of two mediorcre,dinged-up D-men.........remembering the number of young guys close. Could the 7.4M spent on Shaw and Smith(saved 1M....big deal) have brought in one hell of a winger considering we added a 2nd and a 3rd for Shaw? Neither is available going into the Oil series and neither is AA........THANKS STANBO! EDIT: I disagree with you as far as SB's suporters,I consider them just as good a hockey and a Hawks fan as you or I my friend! |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 25, 2020 9:41:54 GMT -6
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. The Panarin trade was a no brainer. Bowman believed he would lose Panarin to free agency and get nothing in return. Panarin ended up signing for a little over $11.6m.which proved him right. Panarin may have taken a home team discount but not sign a bargain basement contract. Unfortunately Stan cannot see into the future and the loss of TT was the unfortunate cost of Bickell coming down with MS around the time of his contract extension. At a presser in the summer of 2018 Rocky put both Stan and Q on notice. Rocky was not prepared to place blame for the team failure. He made it known that he would wait until the 2018-2019 started but would not wait long to make changes. Q was fired on November 6, 2018. This is an excellent argument that Rocky fired Q and not Stan. If he was afraid of confrontation and it was up to Stan he would have fired Q years ago. We could possibly see if Subban is any good on Wednesday. Dach was not a no brainer. Among our posters Byram appeared to be the consensus pick along with the university bound Chicago native Turcotte and one or two others before Dach. I do not remember any buzz about Kirby Dach. Dach is still questionable in some minds. Your lucky pick up, Kubalik was actually a steal of a deal for Stan. He traded a 5th round junior for a man who was a former 7th rounder. Stan may have been hired because his last name was Bowman but he kept climbing from the special assistant to the GM all the way to GM through dedication and hard work. You along with others do not approve of his work but Rocky does and that is what matters. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 25, 2020 9:56:10 GMT -6
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. The Panarin trade was a no brainer. Bowman believed he would lose Panarin to free agency and get nothing in return. Panarin ended up signing for a little over $11.6m.which proved him right. Panarin may have taken a home team discount but not sign a bargain basement contract. Unfortunately Stan cannot see into the future and the loss of TT was the unfortunate cost of Bickell coming down with MS around the time of his contract extension. At a presser in the summer of 2018 Rocky put both Stan and Q on notice. Rocky was not prepared to place blame for the team failure. He made it known that he would wait until the 2018-2019 started but would not wait long to make changes. Q was fired on November 6, 2018. This is an excellent argument that Rocky fired Q and not Stan. If he was afraid of confrontation and it was up to Stan he would have fired Q years ago.We could possibly see if Subban is any good on Wednesday. Dach was not a no brainer. Among our posters Byram appeared to be the consensus pick along with the university bound Chicago native Turcotte and one or two others before Dach. I do not remember any buzz about Kirby Dach. Dach is still questionable in some minds. Your lucky pick up, Kubalik was actually a steal of a deal for Stan. He traded a 5th round junior for a man who was a former 7th rounder. Stan may have been hired because his last name was Bowman but he kept climbing from the special assistant to the GM all the way to GM through dedication and hard work. You along with others do not approve of his work but Rocky does and that is what matters. Why would he have done so? Would he have fired Q before he embarrassed Cooper in the '15' finals? Or embarrassed BB in the conference finals? Would he have been fired before the first round sweep? Why wasn't a cup-less Cooper fired for the most epic 1st round collapse in league history? I do agree with the bolded though and that's even more reason that SB's the guy who shoulda been fired years ago instead but Q ain't related to the 'Lucky sperm club'! |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jul 25, 2020 18:27:33 GMT -6
Your looking in the past, tell me what he has done since 2016 until now, including missing the playoffs three years straight. This year is a gimme, if not for covid the Hawks would miss out. Trading Panarin in itself should have had him fired, gave TT away for nothing and has made a slew of bad managerial decisions including tieing the Hawks hands with a mega contract that Seabs is holding With a NTC. Hiring a coach that is god awful, firing a legend and not replacing him with a suitable replacement for a team that had 2 of the best players in there prime. Signing a goalie for 5 million then trade him at the deadline For another brutal player in Subban who cant stop a beach ball. The verdict is still out on Boqvist, Dach was a no brainer and Kubalik was a lucky pickup up. Feel free to defend Stan, but the jury is out on him, he is only around because his father is around, he his past his time, the Hawks need a new GM with a real vision and direction, one who is not afraid to hire a decent coach because he is afraid of confrontation as it was with Q, that’s why he was fired. The Panarin trade was a no brainer. Bowman believed he would lose Panarin to free agency and get nothing in return. Panarin ended up signing for a little over $11.6m.which proved him right. Panarin may have taken a home team discount but not sign a bargain basement contract. Unfortunately Stan cannot see into the future and the loss of TT was the unfortunate cost of Bickell coming down with MS around the time of his contract extension. At a presser in the summer of 2018 Rocky put both Stan and Q on notice. Rocky was not prepared to place blame for the team failure. He made it known that he would wait until the 2018-2019 started but would not wait long to make changes. Q was fired on November 6, 2018. This is an excellent argument that Rocky fired Q and not Stan. If he was afraid of confrontation and it was up to Stan he would have fired Q years ago. We could possibly see if Subban is any good on Wednesday. Dach was not a no brainer. Among our posters Byram appeared to be the consensus pick along with the university bound Chicago native Turcotte and one or two others before Dach. I do not remember any buzz about Kirby Dach. Dach is still questionable in some minds. Your lucky pick up, Kubalik was actually a steal of a deal for Stan. He traded a 5th round junior for a man who was a former 7th rounder. Stan may have been hired because his last name was Bowman but he kept climbing from the special assistant to the GM all the way to GM through dedication and hard work. You along with others do not approve of his work but Rocky does and that is what matters. If you want to shake your poms poms about our GM that’s your prerogative, before this board was created we had over 400 pages of discussion on the old Blackhawks board, there were countless discussions and debates about this topic, everyone has there opinions and yours is Stan is a good GM, I won’t bother arguing with you about it, that’s your stance and we can leave it at that. |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 26, 2020 0:33:31 GMT -6
The Panarin trade was a no brainer. Bowman believed he would lose Panarin to free agency and get nothing in return. Panarin ended up signing for a little over $11.6m.which proved him right. Panarin may have taken a home team discount but not sign a bargain basement contract. Unfortunately Stan cannot see into the future and the loss of TT was the unfortunate cost of Bickell coming down with MS around the time of his contract extension. At a presser in the summer of 2018 Rocky put both Stan and Q on notice. Rocky was not prepared to place blame for the team failure. He made it known that he would wait until the 2018-2019 started but would not wait long to make changes. Q was fired on November 6, 2018. This is an excellent argument that Rocky fired Q and not Stan. If he was afraid of confrontation and it was up to Stan he would have fired Q years ago.We could possibly see if Subban is any good on Wednesday. Dach was not a no brainer. Among our posters Byram appeared to be the consensus pick along with the university bound Chicago native Turcotte and one or two others before Dach. I do not remember any buzz about Kirby Dach. Dach is still questionable in some minds. Your lucky pick up, Kubalik was actually a steal of a deal for Stan. He traded a 5th round junior for a man who was a former 7th rounder. Stan may have been hired because his last name was Bowman but he kept climbing from the special assistant to the GM all the way to GM through dedication and hard work. You along with others do not approve of his work but Rocky does and that is what matters. Why would he have done so? Would he have fired Q before he embarrassed Cooper in the '15' finals? Or embarrassed BB in the conference finals? Would he have been fired before the first round sweep? Why wasn't a cup-less Cooper fired for the most epic 1st round collapse in league history? I do agree with the bolded though and that's even more reason that SB's the guy who shoulda been fired years ago instead but Q ain't related to the 'Lucky sperm club'! hawkinmontreal said that Q was fired because Stan was afraid of confrontation. Confrontation was nothing new as they were often at odds. Stan would often recycle players because Q was fussy with who received playing time. Why would Rocky be afraid of firing Stan. Was daddy Bowman (86) going to take away Rocky's franchise or worse take Rocky over his knee and give him an old fashioned spanking. Speaking of an epic 1st round loss. What about ours in the 2016-2017 playoffs. We were the President Trophy winners. We took our foot off the gas with a week left and the pedal stuck in that position and we got swept by the eight place team. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 26, 2020 3:16:28 GMT -6
the Capitals won the President's Trophy in 16-17. we were the top seed in the West, though.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 26, 2020 6:43:53 GMT -6
Why would he have done so? Would he have fired Q before he embarrassed Cooper in the '15' finals? Or embarrassed BB in the conference finals? Would he have been fired before the first round sweep? Why wasn't a cup-less Cooper fired for the most epic 1st round collapse in league history? I do agree with the bolded though and that's even more reason that SB's the guy who shoulda been fired years ago instead but Q ain't related to the 'Lucky sperm club'! hawkinmontreal said that Q was fired because Stan was afraid of confrontation. Confrontation was nothing new as they were often at odds. Stan would often recycle players because Q was fussy with who received playing time. Why would Rocky be afraid of firing Stan. Was daddy Bowman (86) going to take away Rocky's franchise or worse take Rocky over his knee and give him an old fashioned spanking. Speaking of an epic 1st round loss. What about ours in the 2016-2017 playoffs. We were the President Trophy winners. We took our foot off the gas with a week left and the pedal stuck in that position and we got swept by the eight place team. You said "if it was up to Stan,he would have fired Q years ago".....this is what YOU said. The thought of a cum stain like Stan firing a man like Q is gut wrenching to many,many Hawk fans.......welcome to last place.....get used to it. Jon Cooper(who Q owned in the SCF)also got swept by an eight but it was after a historically great 128pt regular season and after winning ZERO cups! The 16-17 Hawks were NOT the Presidents Trophy winners with 109pts(Caps and Pens had more) a little homework might be in order before you attempt to demean the greatest coach in team history. Q's team was also one year removed from 2 cups in 3 years........cups are a pipedream at this point and will remain so for a LONG time. ROCKY KEEPS FIRING THE WRONG GUY AND NOW HE'S REPLACING THEM WITH FAMILY!...........LOFL! |
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Post by shooter61 on Jul 26, 2020 14:04:51 GMT -6
All this finger pointing, and chest pounding, ain't gona fix a thing, saying Q owned Cooper, is an opinion, as well as out coaching the Bb in the final, as I remember game 6, the bruins owned us , thank god for 17 sec,,,,, and Q being fired because of confrontation with Stan, all opinions, but that is what makes this board so great, always many with different opinions
All I know, is that for some reason we kept giving up good players for play off help , some tines it helped other times it blew up in our face, do we really know if they were Q's demands wanting this and that before the run ?
Seems when Stan does find a good player, it's called lucky, when they don't turn out, 'it's I told you so ", I agree last year's moves didn't make sense at the time, except for Lenier, and as far as JC as coach, not a lot of faith so far, We can't blame this solely on Stan, "The Man has won us 3 cups", Sounds terrible to say , but if your going to blame him for everything you have to give credit for that. He has done some very dumb things to this team , and I wish he was gone as well as JC, but can't sit here and blame him for every move that gets made, after trading away Danault in 2016, it went down hill after that. I'm ecstatic that I got to watch three Stanley cup winners, ,,,,,,and a dam good year in 2016, just hit a wall in the Preds, one could say that Q lost his team or was out coached, I prefer, the hit a wall version ,If you look around the league their are a lot of great teams every year, looking to have their name on Stanley , not an easy thing to do , takes lots more than talent,
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