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Post by T-man2010 on May 20, 2021 16:46:33 GMT -6
I don't care who the coach is, any coach would look like crap with any "system" when you have this to work with.  Beaudin was one of the top defenders in Jr. on both ends of the ice. Dach was one of the top ranked kids in the world. So there’s some serious talent here. When they underperform, the coaching isn’t getting the most out of them. Plain and simple!!! Lots of players were world talent in JR's, but never pan out in the NHL. |
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Post by BigT on May 20, 2021 17:24:19 GMT -6
Beaudin was one of the top defenders in Jr. on both ends of the ice. Dach was one of the top ranked kids in the world. So there’s some serious talent here. When they underperform, the coaching isn’t getting the most out of them. Plain and simple!!! Lots of players were world talent in JR's, but never pan out in the NHL. I can’t argue that. But it seems most are on the Hawks. And I find that hard to believe. I’m not absolving Scam Bowman here. Not at all. But if is in charge and all he’s good at is drafting role players in the 2-5 rounds. Then he should be destroyed. But Dach is a very talented player. Boqvist has a ton of talent. Beaudin, Mitchell etc. But none of them really have lived up to being more than future AHL stars. If this continues, which we’ve not seen any reason why it wouldn’t. So the coach sucks and the idiot who hired him sucks just as much. Scam cannot hire anyone worth a damn because they won’t put up with his shit. He’s a fraud and it’s showing!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 20, 2021 20:31:20 GMT -6
I don't care who the coach is, any coach would look like crap with any "system" when you have this to work with. If anyone thinks the Hawks are about to spend 5M on a HC after losing money the last two years....they need their head examined. The urgency I've read in articles lately will stay in those articles because SB and JC are safe with the cover of the rebuild letter and the 'Lucky Sperm club' will need JC to blame next year after another shit season. How much better is this team with a top HC? How much better does a pig look with a little lipstick? |
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Post by BigT on May 21, 2021 10:37:30 GMT -6
I don't care who the coach is, any coach would look like crap with any "system" when you have this to work with. If anyone thinks the Hawks are about to spend 5M on a HC after losing money the last two years....they need their head examined. The urgency I've read in articles lately will stay in those articles because SB and JC are safe with the cover of the rebuild letter and the 'Lucky Sperm club' will need JC to blame next year after another shit season. How much better is this team with a top HC? How much better does a pig look with a little lipstick? I think the issue here is the kids aren’t and haven’t been developing. And they won’t. But I understand the business side of things too. But why were both given extensions when they clearly did nothing to warrant them. The issue now is more aimed at ownership for allowing this coop d’état to take place and now the losing will begin, and go on for another 5 decades!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 21, 2021 17:28:59 GMT -6
If anyone thinks the Hawks are about to spend 5M on a HC after losing money the last two years....they need their head examined. The urgency I've read in articles lately will stay in those articles because SB and JC are safe with the cover of the rebuild letter and the 'Lucky Sperm club' will need JC to blame next year after another shit season. How much better is this team with a top HC? How much better does a pig look with a little lipstick? I think the issue here is the kids aren’t and haven’t been developing. And they won’t. But I understand the business side of things too. But why were both given extensions when they clearly did nothing to warrant them. The issue now is more aimed at ownership for allowing this coop d’état to take place and now the losing will begin, and go on for another 5 decades!!! IMO,both were given extensions because the Hawks are run by the board of Wirtz Beverage Inc. and Rocky and Scotty are both beaming with pride at the job their sons have done. JC will be a sacrificial lamb(doesn't he look the part?)at some point depending how bad things are next year....cause he ain't blood....he ain't good either. If the team is to turn around,then Borgstrom and Third Riechel will have to be big and immediate impacts,Suter and Kurashev have to get a lot better,at least two young D-men will need massive breakthroughs and Lankinen will have to prove to be a solid starter.......GOOD LUCK with all of that. I dunno if even these things get the team to a PO level with so little in Rockford....again and we saw what SB did with over TWENTY MILLION in cap space two summers ago so there's that. If JT returns and IF the Org has an ounce of sense,they skate JT,Kane and D-Cat together. The results would be worth the price of admission and all three would put up huge numbers......they'll be little else worth the price of a ticket. |
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Post by BigT on May 21, 2021 17:34:49 GMT -6
I think the issue here is the kids aren’t and haven’t been developing. And they won’t. But I understand the business side of things too. But why were both given extensions when they clearly did nothing to warrant them. The issue now is more aimed at ownership for allowing this coop d’état to take place and now the losing will begin, and go on for another 5 decades!!! IMO,both were given extensions because the Hawks are run by the board of Wirtz Beverage Inc. and Rocky and Scotty are both beaming with pride at the job their sons have done. JC will be a sacrificial lamb(doesn't he look the part?)at some point depending how bad things are next year....cause he ain't blood....he ain't good either. If the team is to turn around,then Borgstrom and Third Riechel will have to be big and immediate impacts,Suter and Kurashev have to get a lot better,at least two young D-men will need massive breakthroughs and Lankinen will have to prove to be a solid starter.......GOOD LUCK with all of that. I dunno if even these things get the team to a PO level with so little in Rockford....again and we saw what SB did with over TWENTY MILLION in cap space two summers ago so there's that. If JT returns and IF the Org has an ounce of sense,they skate JT,Kane and D-Cat together. The results would be worth the price of admission and all three would put up huge numbers......they'll be little else worth the price of a ticket. Hahahahaha. Third Reichel!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 21, 2021 17:50:50 GMT -6
IMO,both were given extensions because the Hawks are run by the board of Wirtz Beverage Inc. and Rocky and Scotty are both beaming with pride at the job their sons have done. JC will be a sacrificial lamb(doesn't he look the part?)at some point depending how bad things are next year....cause he ain't blood....he ain't good either. If the team is to turn around,then Borgstrom and Third Riechel will have to be big and immediate impacts,Suter and Kurashev have to get a lot better,at least two young D-men will need massive breakthroughs and Lankinen will have to prove to be a solid starter.......GOOD LUCK with all of that. I dunno if even these things get the team to a PO level with so little in Rockford....again and we saw what SB did with over TWENTY MILLION in cap space two summers ago so there's that. If JT returns and IF the Org has an ounce of sense,they skate JT,Kane and D-Cat together. The results would be worth the price of admission and all three would put up huge numbers......they'll be little else worth the price of a ticket. Hahahahaha. Third Reichel!!! We do have Mein Kampf already. |
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Post by BigT on May 21, 2021 18:20:43 GMT -6
Hahahahaha. Third Reichel!!! We do have Mein Kampf already. Alrighty. I’m starting to get a wee bit nervous here. Who’s our next coach? Uncle Adolf Eichmann? Jeez. I never thought Stan was part of the SS!!! |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 23, 2021 8:33:28 GMT -6
We do have Mein Kampf already. Alrighty. I’m starting to get a wee bit nervous here. Who’s our next coach? Uncle Adolf Eichmann? Jeez. I never thought Stan was part of the SS!!! Soon, the UC is quietly going to be renamed "The Bunker." "Alex, I'll Uncomfortable Nazi Puns for $800." |
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Post by BigT on May 23, 2021 19:16:20 GMT -6
Alrighty. I’m starting to get a wee bit nervous here. Who’s our next coach? Uncle Adolf Eichmann? Jeez. I never thought Stan was part of the SS!!! Soon, the UC is quietly going to be renamed "The Bunker." "Alex, I'll Uncomfortable Nazi Puns for $800." Hahahahaha. I think we need some comic relief after that season!!! |
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Post by irmaks on May 24, 2021 4:36:17 GMT -6
Soon, the UC is quietly going to be renamed "The Bunker." "Alex, I'll Uncomfortable Nazi Puns for $800." Hahahahaha. I think we need some comic relief after that season!!! What else is comical compare Stan to Osama Bin laden and make him al qaida member, or compare that season to 9/11. Extremely comical. And huge relief. Seriously, we are making those posts now and thinking it's a great joke? I guess it's just me who notices how bad they are. |
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Post by hsbob on May 24, 2021 4:47:21 GMT -6
Hahahahaha. I think we need some comic relief after that season!!! What else is comical compare Stan to Osama Bin laden and make him al qaida member, or compare that season to 9/11. Extremely comical. And huge relief. Seriously, we are making those posts now and thinking it's a great joke? I guess it's just me who notices how bad they are. We rarely joke about 9/11 here but like I say,it's an open forum. |
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Post by irmaks on May 24, 2021 4:55:37 GMT -6
What else is comical compare Stan to Osama Bin laden and make him al qaida member, or compare that season to 9/11. Extremely comical. And huge relief. Seriously, we are making those posts now and thinking it's a great joke? I guess it's just me who notices how bad they are. We rarely joke about 9/11 here but like I say,it's an open forum. And there is a reason for that. |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2021 7:07:48 GMT -6
We rarely joke about 9/11 here but like I say,it's an open forum. And there is a reason for that. I don’t think anyone has ever joked about 9/11. But regardless, it was a joke that a few people shared. If it’s not for you, don’t comment on it. Not one person was sticking up for or advocating anything Nazi. We were making fun of them. If you can’t see that, you’re the problem!!! |
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Post by irmaks on May 24, 2021 7:42:57 GMT -6
And there is a reason for that. I don’t think anyone has ever joked about 9/11. But regardless, it was a joke that a few people shared. If it’s not for you, don’t comment on it. Not one person was sticking up for or advocating anything Nazi. We were making fun of them. If you can’t see that, you’re the problem!!! I thought you were making fun of Stan comparing him to eihman. That's why I said you don't make those jokes same way like you never joke about 9/11. But I guess you missed the point, so maybe you are the problem! But I guess it's pointless for me to reply on that topic again. Back to 2021 off-season! |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2021 7:58:40 GMT -6
I don’t think anyone has ever joked about 9/11. But regardless, it was a joke that a few people shared. If it’s not for you, don’t comment on it. Not one person was sticking up for or advocating anything Nazi. We were making fun of them. If you can’t see that, you’re the problem!!! I thought you were making fun of Stan comparing him to eihman. That's why I said you don't make those jokes same way like you never joke about 9/11. But I guess you missed the point, so maybe you are the problem! But I guess it's pointless for me to reply on that topic again. Back to 2021 off-season! I’m not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or not. I said none of that. I never called Stan anything like that. I clearly said, I never thought Stan was part of the SS. I never said he is part of the SS. I also asked a jokingly question. Is Uncle Adolf Eichmann our next coach? Which was a joke for many reasons. 1) he’s a gawd dam Nazi. 2) he’s dead. 3) it was a F****** joke. Now. If some one came on here and said Stan Bowman is a Nazi and he’s on the same level as the Nazi followers or people that were in that scum regime. Then you’d have a point. But people like you seem to want to make a point out of a joke. Trying to call people out for absolutely nothing that involved you. These were clearly jokes. If you find something inappropriate, just PM the person or or the moderator. Keep it out of the talk here!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2021 9:05:13 GMT -6
nobody was making serious jokes about nazis but the subject was definitely made light of. it's obviously a sore spot with some people which shouldn't surprise anyone. i was lucky enough to come from immigrants from scotland a few generations before WW2 but many people in north america are only 2 or 3 generations removed from mainland europe so i hope we could all understand how making light of nazis to some would be no different than making light of 9-11 to others.
so....lets consider the matter closed please. we're all adults here.
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Post by hsbob on May 24, 2021 10:35:14 GMT -6
We rarely joke about 9/11 here but like I say,it's an open forum. And there is a reason for that. I can see how some of the things I thought were funny could offend.......onward and upward my friend. |
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Post by tincup on May 24, 2021 16:22:59 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2021 18:30:10 GMT -6
When you look into things, it’s a horrible outlook. The team will be mediocre for a while. I’ve known this for some time. It’s probably best to trade away everything and start from scratch. I’d even have the talk with Dcat. See if he’s interested in being here long term and it may be 5+ years until something of significance happens. If next year is the same as this one or worse, they just have to blow it up. Toews and Kane will walk for nothing and the team will be truly worse off. And keeping them did nothing for the mediocre players left here!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 25, 2021 19:13:21 GMT -6
You guys come back with Lanks and one of other other two or bring in a half way decent vet? The sophomore season can be tough and a vet to take 20 of the tougher starts or more depending on performance and the important 'ear' for Lanks to bend once in a while could be a big help.
Kevin Lankinen was on his own in a few different ways last year and it showed toward the end.
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Post by BigT on May 25, 2021 20:38:36 GMT -6
You guys come back with Lanks and one of other other two or bring in a half way decent vet? The sophomore season can be tough and a vet to take 20 of the tougher starts or more depending on performance and the important 'ear' for Lanks to bend once in a while could be a big help. Kevin Lankinen was on his own in a few different ways last year and it showed toward the end. Nothing against the other two, but I’m going with a vet as a backup. I think it was too much for KL to undertake as the season went on. Even my old Spitfire Jack Campbell would be a great guy to bring in. Or someone like that. We’ve discussed for a long time that KL needed a shot and we both believe he’s our next starter. I thought he played extraordinary well for team who’s defense looked a pair of panties after a conjugal visit. I think he’s gonna be good if they ever get some real defense in here!!! |
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Post by nighbor on May 26, 2021 6:41:55 GMT -6
When you look into things, it’s a horrible outlook. The team will be mediocre for a while. I’ve known this for some time. It’s probably best to trade away everything and start from scratch. I’d even have the talk with Dcat. See if he’s interested in being here long term and it may be 5+ years until something of significance happens. If next year is the same as this one or worse, they just have to blow it up. Toews and Kane will walk for nothing and the team will be truly worse off. And keeping them did nothing for the mediocre players left here!!! A bit drastic don't you think. Maybe we could tear down the UC and build a smaller venue a very much smaller venue so we can continue to sellout. It could be called the United Matchbox Center (UMC). Toews and Kane are going nowhere. There is plenty of time for "the talk". |
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Post by hsbob on May 26, 2021 7:13:34 GMT -6
You guys come back with Lanks and one of other other two or bring in a half way decent vet? The sophomore season can be tough and a vet to take 20 of the tougher starts or more depending on performance and the important 'ear' for Lanks to bend once in a while could be a big help. Kevin Lankinen was on his own in a few different ways last year and it showed toward the end. Nothing against the other two, but I’m going with a vet as a backup. I think it was too much for KL to undertake as the season went on. Even my old Spitfire Jack Campbell would be a great guy to bring in. Or someone like that. We’ve discussed for a long time that KL needed a shot and we both believe he’s our next starter. I thought he played extraordinary well for team who’s defense looked a pair of panties after a conjugal visit. I think he’s gonna be good if they ever get some real defense in here!!! One of my best friend's boys is a '91-92' birth year too and played against Campbell,he was the starting GT for the Chicago Mission at the time and has stayed friends with JC. I followed the kid a bit after Dallas took him 11th overall but things didn't work out in Texas,he did play well for the Kings though. All of CC's tandem team mates had nothing but good things to say about him,from Turco to Razor to Darling,all of em loved playing with the guy(Darling gave him much credit)and even Lehner who rarely has anything good to say about anything said how well they got along. Would have been an advantage for Lankinen to have a guy like CC last year and next IMO. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 26, 2021 7:58:16 GMT -6
You guys come back with Lanks and one of other other two or bring in a half way decent vet? The sophomore season can be tough and a vet to take 20 of the tougher starts or more depending on performance and the important 'ear' for Lanks to bend once in a while could be a big help. Kevin Lankinen was on his own in a few different ways last year and it showed toward the end. I agree with most that a seasoned vet with the expectation that the vet is a de facto backup and mentor would be optimal in my opinion. Do I trust the resident legume-reckoner and his crony behind the bench to do it like that? Absolutely not. I think if we do get a vet backup for mentorship, I think they'll be leaned on the moment Lankinen has a cold spell which will do nothing for Lankinen's development. |
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Post by hsbob on May 26, 2021 8:35:07 GMT -6
You guys come back with Lanks and one of other other two or bring in a half way decent vet? The sophomore season can be tough and a vet to take 20 of the tougher starts or more depending on performance and the important 'ear' for Lanks to bend once in a while could be a big help. Kevin Lankinen was on his own in a few different ways last year and it showed toward the end. I agree with most that a seasoned vet with the expectation that the vet is a de facto backup and mentor would be optimal in my opinion. Do I trust the resident legume-reckoner and his crony behind the bench to do it like that? Absolutely not. I think if we do get a vet backup for mentorship, I think they'll be leaned on the moment Lankinen has a cold spell which will do nothing for Lankinen's development. I been blabbin' on about Fla's young tender but I was high on Lankinen too and I still am,a year with CC instead of signing Lehner would have been great for the youngster IMO. All Lanks did that year was put up with a four man GT carousel in Rockford that actually saw him down in the ECHL for part of the year with lesser tenders in front of him. I cut bait on the other two and bring in a decent vet with a reputation in the room to take some of the tougher starts and just hope they're handled right.....a guy can dream!LOL! |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 26, 2021 8:42:02 GMT -6
I agree with most that a seasoned vet with the expectation that the vet is a de facto backup and mentor would be optimal in my opinion. Do I trust the resident legume-reckoner and his crony behind the bench to do it like that? Absolutely not. I think if we do get a vet backup for mentorship, I think they'll be leaned on the moment Lankinen has a cold spell which will do nothing for Lankinen's development. I been blabbin' on about Fla's young tender but I was high on Lankinen too and I still am,a year with CC instead of signing Lehner would have been great for the youngster IMO. All Lanks did that year was put up with a four man GT carousel in Rockford that actually saw him down in the ECHL for part of the year with lesser tenders in front of him. I cut bait on the other two and bring in a decent vet with a reputation in the room to take some of the tougher starts and just hope they're handled right.....a guy can dream!LOL! IMHO Crawford would have been perfect for bringing along Lankinen--but that would hinge on Crawford being able to play at some type of level and, IMHO, him getting a multi-year deal (like 3 for 2 or 2 for 3 like I advocated and with the expectation that his time would indeed decrease as he brought Lankinen along). I don't think that was possible. I think Crawford might have truly been done, and moreover I doubt that Stan/JC would have let Lankinen work through his growing pains and would have tried to push that onto Crawford. It's a similar fear that I have moving forward; the 'hawks bring in a vet backup and the minute Lanks hits a rough patch and they overuse the vet. How Crawford/Turco worked was perfect. I don't trust the 'hawks braintrust to emulate that. Be it seasoned vet or sticking with one of Subban or Delia I think they handle it wrong. |
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Post by BigT on May 26, 2021 8:51:13 GMT -6
When you look into things, it’s a horrible outlook. The team will be mediocre for a while. I’ve known this for some time. It’s probably best to trade away everything and start from scratch. I’d even have the talk with Dcat. See if he’s interested in being here long term and it may be 5+ years until something of significance happens. If next year is the same as this one or worse, they just have to blow it up. Toews and Kane will walk for nothing and the team will be truly worse off. And keeping them did nothing for the mediocre players left here!!! A bit drastic don't you think. Maybe we could tear down the UC and build a smaller venue a very much smaller venue so we can continue to sellout. It could be called the United Matchbox Center (UMC). Toews and Kane are going nowhere. There is plenty of time for "the talk". Your proclamations of success and going to the top and all that jazz hasn’t really panned out has it? You just literally watched one of the better teams in a long long time and never expected it to slow down or even end. It’s over. They may squeak into the playoffs from time to time. But the team just isn’t built for playoff success. Honestly, if you still believe e they’re very close to winning it all again. That’s great. I’m happy for you. I really would like to have some of that in my personality. But reality gets in the way. Enjoy!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 26, 2021 10:47:40 GMT -6
I been blabbin' on about Fla's young tender but I was high on Lankinen too and I still am,a year with CC instead of signing Lehner would have been great for the youngster IMO. All Lanks did that year was put up with a four man GT carousel in Rockford that actually saw him down in the ECHL for part of the year with lesser tenders in front of him. I cut bait on the other two and bring in a decent vet with a reputation in the room to take some of the tougher starts and just hope they're handled right.....a guy can dream!LOL! IMHO Crawford would have been perfect for bringing along Lankinen--but that would hinge on Crawford being able to play at some type of level and, IMHO, him getting a multi-year deal (like 3 for 2 or 2 for 3 like I advocated and with the expectation that his time would indeed decrease as he brought Lankinen along). I don't think that was possible. I think Crawford might have truly been done, and moreover I doubt that Stan/JC would have let Lankinen work through his growing pains and would have tried to push that onto Crawford. It's a similar fear that I have moving forward; the 'hawks bring in a vet backup and the minute Lanks hits a rough patch and they overuse the vet. How Crawford/Turco worked was perfect. I don't trust the 'hawks braintrust to emulate that. Be it seasoned vet or sticking with one of Subban or Delia I think they handle it wrong. Crawford was a healthy stud of a goaltender in the bubble rounds last summer from what I saw my friend. He also seemed excited to post pictures of his new Devils mask back in mid December before he did his about face. Covid was blowing up back at that time....why leave your family to move to a hotspot? I doubt CC retires if he re-signed here.....JMO. "Braintrust"....LOFL..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzy9-QWj6o |
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Post by Tater on May 26, 2021 11:45:27 GMT -6
IMHO Crawford would have been perfect for bringing along Lankinen--but that would hinge on Crawford being able to play at some type of level and, IMHO, him getting a multi-year deal (like 3 for 2 or 2 for 3 like I advocated and with the expectation that his time would indeed decrease as he brought Lankinen along). I don't think that was possible. I think Crawford might have truly been done, and moreover I doubt that Stan/JC would have let Lankinen work through his growing pains and would have tried to push that onto Crawford. It's a similar fear that I have moving forward; the 'hawks bring in a vet backup and the minute Lanks hits a rough patch and they overuse the vet. How Crawford/Turco worked was perfect. I don't trust the 'hawks braintrust to emulate that. Be it seasoned vet or sticking with one of Subban or Delia I think they handle it wrong. Same with Crow and Emery imho.
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