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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2021 1:33:16 GMT -6
Back to the Hawks shtuff. I seen an interview with John Doe 2’s mom. Well, it was just a voice interview. That was heartbreaking. Rick Westhead did that too. The kid was 16 and went through a lot because of it. He got made fun of at school. Girls didn’t want to be around him etc. I guess he has a lot of mental issues and drug problems. All his mother really wanted for him is health insurance so he can get all the help he needs. I hope he gets a lot more than that. I think a solid million or 2 will help the kid get straightened out. This one really sucks to hear!!! That's why stuff like this needs to be taken seriously. Irrespective of the person making the outcry, the allegations need to be properly and promptly investigated, and once the facts are in place the situation dealt with based on what the facts actually are. I think it's smart for everyone to understand that escalation is a real thing. i.e If a coach flashes their johnson sexually at player(s), there is a significant likelihood that they will start to do worse things if given the opportunity. I do agree that things should be taken seriously. But they have to be taken seriously by the people up top. The players or coaches should not have much to do in this instance. On Missing Curfew they were talking a bit about this. They even said that the black Aces did not see the team and were more in the press box and the only time they seen them was between rounds, if they went out to the same places as the players. So if the players did know, they didn’t much. The orgs management as a whole failed here. We all know this. We can assume all we want, point fingers that the players or other subordinates here. But McD did not do what he was supposed to. Which led to Scambo did not do what he was supposed to, MacIssac, Blunt etc. Now this poor young kid gets his life trashed due to that. We can take down everyone if we want. The NHLPA, Gary Bettman, why stop there? Edzo and Foley must have known something as they were around the team and fly with them. I think it’s awful at best that anyone around the team is being blamed except the ones in charge. I just feel that the blood lust to go after ones that didn’t have the final say is unjustified. The main issue here is a kid got their like trashed due to shitty managements decisions, and a shitty ass loser who did this. And I feel that bastard has gotten off the easiest. He really has. I’ll even go a step further. I’m not a fan of Stan Bowman’s work… at all. But I think he was trashed on this due to McD making the final decision. What was he supposed do? Seriously? Was he supposed to rattle his whole workplace on an allegation? When his superior said he’d take care of it? I’d bet anything that all 30 organizations handled it the same way back then. Winning is essential….. unfortunately. Lastly. The one good thing that can come of this is that now the whole sports world and beyond has zero excuses for this shit. I don’t see how this could slip through again. I hope that the league not only puts through new legislation, but educates employees of the league and teams on this. Constantly, so there’s no excuse why so many levels failed!!! |
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Post by Tater on Nov 12, 2021 1:55:02 GMT -6
I do agree that things should be taken seriously. But they have to be taken seriously by the people up top. The players or coaches should not have much to do in this instance. On Missing Curfew they were talking a bit about this. They even said that the black Aces did not see the team and were more in the press box and the only time they seen them was between rounds, if they went out to the same places as the players. So if the players did know, they didn’t much. The orgs management as a whole failed here. We all know this. We can assume all we want, point fingers that the players or other subordinates here. But McD did not do what he was supposed to. Which led to Scambo did not do what he was supposed to, MacIssac, Blunt etc. Now this poor young kid gets his life trashed due to that. We can take down everyone if we want. The NHLPA, Gary Bettman, why stop there? Edzo and Foley must have known something as they were around the team and fly with them. I think it’s awful at best that anyone around the team is being blamed except the ones in charge. I just feel that the blood lust to go after ones that didn’t have the final say is unjustified. The main issue here is a kid got their like trashed due to shitty managements decisions, and a shitty ass loser who did this. And I feel that bastard has gotten off the easiest. He really has. I’ll even go a step further. I’m not a fan of Stan Bowman’s work… at all. But I think he was trashed on this due to McD making the final decision. What was he supposed do? Seriously? Was he supposed to rattle his whole workplace on an allegation? When his superior said he’d take care of it? I’d bet anything that all 30 organizations handled it the same way back then. Winning is essential….. unfortunately. Lastly. The one good thing that can come of this is that now the whole sports world and beyond has zero excuses for this shit. I don’t see how this could slip through again. I hope that the league not only puts through new legislation, but educates employees of the league and teams on this. Constantly, so there’s no excuse why so many levels failed!!! Excellent post sir. Well said.
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 12, 2021 7:03:31 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Nov 12, 2021 7:56:21 GMT -6
That’s out of control.
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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2021 8:49:51 GMT -6
That’s never gonna happen. The Hawks will say take it to court and have it thrown out. The Hawks unfortunately have the upper hand here with the statue of limitations. I think if Beach could get 10-15 million that’s a win for him. Take it and run. I’m more concerned about the younger kid. I feel he’s way more messed up. There’s an interview on TSN with his mom. Although John Doe 2 is now 24-25. His mom said he has drug issues and mental health issues. He does not have any health insurance. Which sucks for him. The moms plea was basically can the Hawks provide health insurance for him. Which is a very low bar, especially compared to Beach’s asking price. I’m not saying Beach shouldn’t be entitled to nothing. But we have to come to the conclusion that for Beach, this could get very messy and uncomfortable. Mainly because the Hawks lawyers will now question his involvement. Especially with the girl there and how he and Alldick went out on multiple occasions. Kinda setting the bar very high I think!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2021 9:00:52 GMT -6
Or imagine this. Let’s say Beach gets 50 million. The kid in Michigan gets nothing. So the kid in Michigan sues Beach for 39 million for failure to report this loser? He can use the same tactics Beach used. This could get messy because I don’t think the Michigan kid has much to go on here as in fighting the Hawks!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 12, 2021 9:29:36 GMT -6
That's why stuff like this needs to be taken seriously. Irrespective of the person making the outcry, the allegations need to be properly and promptly investigated, and once the facts are in place the situation dealt with based on what the facts actually are. I think it's smart for everyone to understand that escalation is a real thing. i.e If a coach flashes their johnson sexually at player(s), there is a significant likelihood that they will start to do worse things if given the opportunity. I do agree that things should be taken seriously. But they have to be taken seriously by the people up top. The players or coaches should not have much to do in this instance. On Missing Curfew they were talking a bit about this. They even said that the black Aces did not see the team and were more in the press box and the only time they seen them was between rounds, if they went out to the same places as the players. So if the players did know, they didn’t much. The orgs management as a whole failed here. We all know this. We can assume all we want, point fingers that the players or other subordinates here. But McD did not do what he was supposed to. Which led to Scambo did not do what he was supposed to, MacIssac, Blunt etc. Now this poor young kid gets his life trashed due to that. We can take down everyone if we want. The NHLPA, Gary Bettman, why stop there? Edzo and Foley must have known something as they were around the team and fly with them. I think it’s awful at best that anyone around the team is being blamed except the ones in charge. I just feel that the blood lust to go after ones that didn’t have the final say is unjustified. The main issue here is a kid got their like trashed due to shitty managements decisions, and a shitty ass loser who did this. And I feel that bastard has gotten off the easiest. He really has. I’ll even go a step further. I’m not a fan of Stan Bowman’s work… at all. But I think he was trashed on this due to McD making the final decision. What was he supposed do? Seriously? Was he supposed to rattle his whole workplace on an allegation? When his superior said he’d take care of it? I’d bet anything that all 30 organizations handled it the same way back then. Winning is essential….. unfortunately. Lastly. The one good thing that can come of this is that now the whole sports world and beyond has zero excuses for this shit. I don’t see how this could slip through again. I hope that the league not only puts through new legislation, but educates employees of the league and teams on this. Constantly, so there’s no excuse why so many levels failed!!! As I've mentioned before, whoever had the power to unilaterally put Aldrich on leave should have irrespective of what their boss told them to do. The Nuremburg defense doesn't work in civilian life, either. In my estimation the heads that have already rolled should be all that rolled, (as well as Gary's, McD's,. and Aldrich's) unless new evidence comes to light. But I do agree that the limelight needs to be kept up for this situation. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 12, 2021 10:11:56 GMT -6
I do agree that things should be taken seriously. But they have to be taken seriously by the people up top. The players or coaches should not have much to do in this instance. On Missing Curfew they were talking a bit about this. They even said that the black Aces did not see the team and were more in the press box and the only time they seen them was between rounds, if they went out to the same places as the players. So if the players did know, they didn’t much. The orgs management as a whole failed here. We all know this. We can assume all we want, point fingers that the players or other subordinates here. But McD did not do what he was supposed to. Which led to Scambo did not do what he was supposed to, MacIssac, Blunt etc. Now this poor young kid gets his life trashed due to that. We can take down everyone if we want. The NHLPA, Gary Bettman, why stop there? Edzo and Foley must have known something as they were around the team and fly with them. I think it’s awful at best that anyone around the team is being blamed except the ones in charge. I just feel that the blood lust to go after ones that didn’t have the final say is unjustified. The main issue here is a kid got their like trashed due to shitty managements decisions, and a shitty ass loser who did this. And I feel that bastard has gotten off the easiest. He really has. I’ll even go a step further. I’m not a fan of Stan Bowman’s work… at all. But I think he was trashed on this due to McD making the final decision. What was he supposed do? Seriously? Was he supposed to rattle his whole workplace on an allegation? When his superior said he’d take care of it? I’d bet anything that all 30 organizations handled it the same way back then. Winning is essential….. unfortunately. Lastly. The one good thing that can come of this is that now the whole sports world and beyond has zero excuses for this shit. I don’t see how this could slip through again. I hope that the league not only puts through new legislation, but educates employees of the league and teams on this. Constantly, so there’s no excuse why so many levels failed!!! As I've mentioned before, whoever had the power to unilaterally put Aldrich on leave should have irrespective of what their boss told them to do. The Nuremburg defense doesn't work in civilian life, either. In my estimation the heads that have already rolled should be all that rolled, (as well as Gary's, McD's,. and Aldrich's) unless new evidence comes to light. But I do agree that the limelight needs to be kept up for this situation. Surely you're not equating what happened to Kyle Beach to the Holocaust.......are you? Everyone,even the finger pointers have admitted they didn't have the details back then that they have now,so Q shoulda went against his CEO? Maybe but it could have been career damaging to say thew least. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 12, 2021 11:11:20 GMT -6
As I've mentioned before, whoever had the power to unilaterally put Aldrich on leave should have irrespective of what their boss told them to do. The Nuremburg defense doesn't work in civilian life, either. In my estimation the heads that have already rolled should be all that rolled, (as well as Gary's, McD's,. and Aldrich's) unless new evidence comes to light. But I do agree that the limelight needs to be kept up for this situation. Surely you're not equating what happened to Kyle Beach to the Holocaust.......are you? Everyone,even the finger pointers have admitted they didn't have the details back then that they have now,so Q shoulda went against his CEO? Maybe but it could have been career damaging to say thew least. Of course not. The term "Nuremburg Defense" is the common term for someone who doesn't do what they were supposed to and claims the excuse that a superior (i.e. boss or supervisor) told them to--it just got famous because of the Nuremburg Trials hence the name. So ass an example if a middle manager fires someone who makes an outcry that they were sexually harassed at work, and the CEO tells said middle manager to fire them, If the middle manager does fire the complainant on the CEO's orders, then they could be held liable because they are expected to report/act against said illegal act, and they can't hide behind, "My boss told me to." To wit: a goal, an assist, and a fight is always going to be the Gordie Hoew Hat Trick, even though he only had, what, 3 of them? He just made it famous. From what I know about the situation with respect to laws about hostile work environments, even as far back as 2010, those that had the ability to unilaterally get Aldrich on administrative leave should have irrespective of what McD said. The real question is who had that ability. Q might not have; I get that. I think he was pushed out because of the optics of his comments to the media before the investigation was released and what the investigation revealed. But Stan & McIsaac most certainly should have had the unilateral ability of putting Aldrich on administrative leave, and further, "focus on winning" and getting an alleged sex offender away from their alleged victim are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by phill9 on Dec 15, 2021 19:51:15 GMT -6
The Chicago Blackhawks have settled a lawsuit by a former player who said he was sexually assaulted by an assistant coach during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup title run.
After representatives for the Blackhawks and former first-round pick Kyle Beach met Wednesday with a mediator for the first time, they announced that the session had resulted in a confidential settlement.
"The Blackhawks hope that this resolution will bring some measure of peace and closure for Mr. Beach," the team said in a statement attributed to owner Rocky Wirtz, son and team chairman Danny Wirtz, and Susan Loggans, Beach's attorney.
"As for the Blackhawks organization, we remain steadfast in our commitment to ensure that, going forward, this team will be a beacon for professionalism, respect and integrity in our community. We remain grateful for the trust and support of the Blackhawks community, and we promise to continue working every day to earn and maintain that trust."
Loggans also is part of a second lawsuit filed in May by a former high school student whom the assistant coach, Brad Aldrich, was convicted of assaulting in Michigan. There was no word in the joint statement about that suit.
The Blackhawks said as late as mid-May that Beach's allegations lacked merit. But an independent review, commissioned by the team and released in October, showed the organization badly mishandled Beach's allegations that he was assaulted by Aldrich during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup run. Aldrich told investigators the encounter was consensual.
The fallout included top executives losing their jobs in Chicago and stretched to other teams, including Florida, where veteran coach Joel Quenneville -- the coach of the Blackhawks at the time -- resigned. The NHL fined Chicago $2 million.
Loggans and attorneys for the Blackhawks held settlement talks in early November, meeting for about an hour. She said after those discussions that "each side had different viewpoints."
The investigation commissioned by the team found no evidence that Rocky or Danny Wirtz were aware of the allegations before Beach's lawsuit was brought to their attention ahead of its filing. Danny Wirtz in October said he had instructed team attorneys to seek "a fair resolution consistent with the totality of the circumstances."
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Post by steamer on Dec 15, 2021 20:11:41 GMT -6
Hopefully this clears the way for whatever management changes may be coming.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 16, 2021 8:52:13 GMT -6
The Chicago Blackhawks have settled a lawsuit by a former player who said he was sexually assaulted by an assistant coach during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup title run. After representatives for the Blackhawks and former first-round pick Kyle Beach met Wednesday with a mediator for the first time, they announced that the session had resulted in a confidential settlement. "The Blackhawks hope that this resolution will bring some measure of peace and closure for Mr. Beach," the team said in a statement attributed to owner Rocky Wirtz, son and team chairman Danny Wirtz, and Susan Loggans, Beach's attorney. "As for the Blackhawks organization, we remain steadfast in our commitment to ensure that, going forward, this team will be a beacon for professionalism, respect and integrity in our community. We remain grateful for the trust and support of the Blackhawks community, and we promise to continue working every day to earn and maintain that trust." Loggans also is part of a second lawsuit filed in May by a former high school student whom the assistant coach, Brad Aldrich, was convicted of assaulting in Michigan. There was no word in the joint statement about that suit. The Blackhawks said as late as mid-May that Beach's allegations lacked merit. But an independent review, commissioned by the team and released in October, showed the organization badly mishandled Beach's allegations that he was assaulted by Aldrich during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup run. Aldrich told investigators the encounter was consensual. The fallout included top executives losing their jobs in Chicago and stretched to other teams, including Florida, where veteran coach Joel Quenneville -- the coach of the Blackhawks at the time -- resigned. The NHL fined Chicago $2 million. Loggans and attorneys for the Blackhawks held settlement talks in early November, meeting for about an hour. She said after those discussions that "each side had different viewpoints." The investigation commissioned by the team found no evidence that Rocky or Danny Wirtz were aware of the allegations before Beach's lawsuit was brought to their attention ahead of its filing. Danny Wirtz in October said he had instructed team attorneys to seek "a fair resolution consistent with the totality of the circumstances." Oh.....and don't forget......the Wirtz's didn't know! |
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Post by phill9 on Dec 16, 2021 9:05:33 GMT -6
The Chicago Blackhawks have settled a lawsuit by a former player who said he was sexually assaulted by an assistant coach during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup title run. After representatives for the Blackhawks and former first-round pick Kyle Beach met Wednesday with a mediator for the first time, they announced that the session had resulted in a confidential settlement. "The Blackhawks hope that this resolution will bring some measure of peace and closure for Mr. Beach," the team said in a statement attributed to owner Rocky Wirtz, son and team chairman Danny Wirtz, and Susan Loggans, Beach's attorney. "As for the Blackhawks organization, we remain steadfast in our commitment to ensure that, going forward, this team will be a beacon for professionalism, respect and integrity in our community. We remain grateful for the trust and support of the Blackhawks community, and we promise to continue working every day to earn and maintain that trust." Loggans also is part of a second lawsuit filed in May by a former high school student whom the assistant coach, Brad Aldrich, was convicted of assaulting in Michigan. There was no word in the joint statement about that suit. The Blackhawks said as late as mid-May that Beach's allegations lacked merit. But an independent review, commissioned by the team and released in October, showed the organization badly mishandled Beach's allegations that he was assaulted by Aldrich during the team's 2010 Stanley Cup run. Aldrich told investigators the encounter was consensual. The fallout included top executives losing their jobs in Chicago and stretched to other teams, including Florida, where veteran coach Joel Quenneville -- the coach of the Blackhawks at the time -- resigned. The NHL fined Chicago $2 million. Loggans and attorneys for the Blackhawks held settlement talks in early November, meeting for about an hour. She said after those discussions that "each side had different viewpoints." The investigation commissioned by the team found no evidence that Rocky or Danny Wirtz were aware of the allegations before Beach's lawsuit was brought to their attention ahead of its filing. Danny Wirtz in October said he had instructed team attorneys to seek "a fair resolution consistent with the totality of the circumstances." Oh.....and don't forget......the Wirtz's didn't know! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 16, 2021 9:41:27 GMT -6
Oh.....and don't forget......the Wirtz's didn't know! Exactly! So we saw Rockwell basking in the glory of the team's resurgence at every home game back in '10' and happy to be one of the faces of the franchise to take credit for televising home games.......a decision a chimp would have made. The team's Chairman seemed to be around the team a lot that year and especially during the cup run,I still remember Rocky on the ice in Phily saying "the old man woulda wanted a game seven in Chicago"......LOL. I appreciated his honesty but I'm sorry,Rocky was all around the team that year! McD finally did go to the director of HR with Beach's allegations in mid June,after the PO's ended and that director of HR keeps those charges from the owner of a family owner,original six NHL franchise? The Wirz's didn't know until the suit was filed and the story broke in May yet the team's General Council gave the league a heads up back in January,he also must have kept this from the team's owner? The family's owned the team forever,it's hard to believe there wasn't one single cronie who told the owner. We've heard that SB inherited a great team on the cusp and that Q also inherited a team full of future HoF'ers.....BUT....Rockwell's the guy who actually did inherit a team set to make history. How does that history change if Rocky doesn't listen to Scotty about firing Talon and hiring his son? |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 16, 2021 10:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Dec 16, 2021 11:47:38 GMT -6
Ok - time to move on! I don’t want to hear anything more from Mr. Beach.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 17, 2021 9:42:40 GMT -6
The confidential nature of the settlement will allow the Wirtz's 'we knew nothing' defense to protect their reputations. Forget that the team's General Council gave the league a heads up in January and the Org itself was still calling the charges "baseless" as recently as May. The settlement amount probably stung a bit so I wouldn't be lookin' for any high paid HC',GM's or Presidents.......whatever Jed Hoyer says I guess. Seriously WTF!!!.... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-engage-cubs-jed-hoyer-consultation-gm-search |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 17, 2021 9:54:19 GMT -6
The confidential nature of the settlement will allow the Wirtz's 'we knew nothing' defense to protect their reputations. Forget that the team's General Council gave the league a heads up in January and the Org itself was still calling the charges "baseless" as recently as May. The settlement amount probably stung a bit so I wouldn't be lookin' for any high paid HC',GM's or Presidents.......whatever Jed Hoyer says I guess. Seriously WTF!!!.... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-engage-cubs-jed-hoyer-consultation-gm-searchYeah, I commented on that exact thing in the search for president thread about an outside firm being a consultant and going to the Cubs for the same thing. I said the same as you, "WTF".You would think with all the former players as scouts and development coaches they would have knowledge enough about who is out there and who they can contact from other teams to pursue for the jobs. You'd think Rocky knows the other owners to tap them for this. Again to me the Hunter brothers are the obvious choice to right this shit, err ship and sail it forward. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 28, 2021 10:02:30 GMT -6
Ok both suits now done as most said from the start it will be settled before it comes to court. No one had to answer a question under oath. I do believe that Kyle coming forward helped the boy from Mich.
Hopefully they can start to heal. There are some terrible people out there, at times in our lives we must stand up for the abused and deal with the abusers. As most stated from the start we just want answers
and for the most part we didn't get any thats the way it goes sometimes.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 28, 2021 11:06:39 GMT -6
Ok both suits now done as most said from the start it will be settled before it comes to court. No one had to answer a question under oath. I do believe that Kyle coming forward helped the boy from Mich. Hopefully they can start to heal. There are some terrible people out there, at times in our lives we must stand up for the abused and deal with the abusers. As most stated from the start we just want answers and for the most part we didn't get any thats the way it goes sometimes. The only answer we needed was the Wirtz's didn't know about it and that's the only answer we got.......at every turn! Beach's settlement was confidential and now John Doe II's case just says dismissed and that's all were gonna know about that too..... nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/lawyer-lawsuit-dismissed-against-blackhawks-in-aldrich-case/I can understand Beach's confidentiality and I'd bet a bunch a NDA is involved and I can see John Doe II's attorney not commenting on the dismissal out of privacy issues but how TF does the team get away with declining to comment after all the attention and outrage? McD was actually fired BEFORE the story broke and the Wirtz's claim to have not known. Director of HR was notified after the cup was won in 2010 but the Wirtz's claim to have not known. The Org's own General Council gave the league a 'heads-up' back in January but the Wirtz's claim to have not known till the suit was filed in May. SB resigned but the Wirtz's made sure to fawn all over him in their presser. The report the Wirtz's paid for made sure to allege it was McD and Q who said the PO's were more important(per Stan Bowman) but didn't mention what the others in the room said. Q paid a big price for following the orders of his President and CEO,nobody went to HR or the cops,including the AC Beach confided in because they also followed orders......that excuse didn't work for everybody I guess. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 28, 2021 13:10:45 GMT -6
Ok both suits now done as most said from the start it will be settled before it comes to court. No one had to answer a question under oath. I do believe that Kyle coming forward helped the boy from Mich. Hopefully they can start to heal. There are some terrible people out there, at times in our lives we must stand up for the abused and deal with the abusers. As most stated from the start we just want answers and for the most part we didn't get any thats the way it goes sometimes. The only answer we needed was the Wirtz's didn't know about it and that's the only answer we got.......at every turn! Beach's settlement was confidential and now John Doe II's case just says dismissed and that's all were gonna know about that too..... nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/lawyer-lawsuit-dismissed-against-blackhawks-in-aldrich-case/I can understand Beach's confidentiality and I'd bet a bunch a NDA is involved and I can see John Doe II's attorney not commenting on the dismissal out of privacy issues but how TF does the team get away with declining to comment after all the attention and outrage? McD was actually fired BEFORE the story broke and the Wirtz's claim to have not known. Director of HR was notified after the cup was won in 2010 but the Wirtz's claim to have not known. The Org's own General Council gave the league a 'heads-up' back in January but the Wirtz's claim to have not known till the suit was filed in May. SB resigned but the Wirtz's made sure to fawn all over him in their presser. The report the Wirtz's paid for made sure to allege it was McD and Q who said the PO's were more important(per Stan Bowman) but didn't mention what the others in the room said. Q paid a big price for following the orders of his President and CEO,nobody went to HR or the cops,including the AC Beach confided in because they also followed orders......that excuse didn't work for everybody I guess. If Q had an issue with taking a fall when he shouldn’t have, why hasn’t he said something publicly? Presumably he’s not a fan of Stan or Rocky given how we was pushed out of the org so one would think he would make a stink? Maybe there’s more money movement going on than we know! It’s weird - Rocky stays clean, KB rakes in a fortune, Q and SB take major falls. It doesn’t feel good but I damn well hope that’s the end of it! |
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Post by nighbor on Dec 28, 2021 18:19:07 GMT -6
Ok both suits now done as most said from the start it will be settled before it comes to court. No one had to answer a question under oath. I do believe that Kyle coming forward helped the boy from Mich. Hopefully they can start to heal. There are some terrible people out there, at times in our lives we must stand up for the abused and deal with the abusers. As most stated from the start we just want answers and for the most part we didn't get any thats the way it goes sometimes. The only answer we needed was the Wirtz's didn't know about it and that's the only answer we got.......at every turn! Beach's settlement was confidential and now John Doe II's case just says dismissed and that's all were gonna know about that too..... nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/lawyer-lawsuit-dismissed-against-blackhawks-in-aldrich-case/I can understand Beach's confidentiality and I'd bet a bunch a NDA is involved and I can see John Doe II's attorney not commenting on the dismissal out of privacy issues but how TF does the team get away with declining to comment after all the attention and outrage? McD was actually fired BEFORE the story broke and the Wirtz's claim to have not known. Director of HR was notified after the cup was won in 2010 but the Wirtz's claim to have not known. The Org's own General Council gave the league a 'heads-up' back in January but the Wirtz's claim to have not known till the suit was filed in May. SB resigned but the Wirtz's made sure to fawn all over him in their presser. The report the Wirtz's paid for made sure to allege it was McD and Q who said the PO's were more important(per Stan Bowman) but didn't mention what the others in the room said. Q paid a big price for following the orders of his President and CEO,nobody went to HR or the cops,including the AC Beach confided in because they also followed orders......that excuse didn't work for everybody I guess. It is up to the victim to press charges not their employer or another employee. The time to report any crime is when it happens. Memories are fresher and any evidence may still be found. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 28, 2021 22:59:11 GMT -6
I think out of all this. The kid in Michigan needs the most help. It really sounded awful and he was literally just a 16 year old that had not much to say in that. He was taken advantage of and now as a 25/26 year old he’s struggling and has had suicidal thoughts. I heard his mom on on an interview and it literally brought me to tears. It was one of the worst things I’ve heard a parent say.
I’ve said this many times. As a parent, it’s our instinct to protect. And if you didn’t/couldn’t, it makes you feel like the worst person besides hitler. I get angry when a coach sits my kid and he doesn’t get the chance to play the game he loves. I wanna take a bat with 7” nails through it dipped in feces to their face. Let alone someone raping my kid.
The mom literally was pleading for the Blackhawks to help him with medical costs as the kid can’t afford his own at this point. And the kid has spent time in rehab and is mentally distraught. I sure hope the Hawks help him.
I’ll also go a step further and say this. I sure to fuck that even Kyle beach steps the fuck up and helps this kid out. I’m sure he’s gotten million upon millions of dollars. Let’s say even 30. I hope he reaches out and even throws the kid 500k. And I hope the Hawks throw him 1 million. At least it’ll help that kid out a bit. Give him time to right some wrongs and move on.
If Beach doesn’t help the kid, I hope he gets the worst life had to offer. He even said “No one should have to go through this”. He even said crying “I wish I would have said something earlier so it didn’t happen to that kid, I’m sooooo sorry”. I hope he means this. Cuz if not, that poor Michigan kid has to go this alone. It’s absolutely devastating that Beach’s case was immensely helped by the other kids, and if he won’t even help him and be a selfish prick, it’s best he gets drafted to war and never comes home!!!
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Post by hsbob on Dec 29, 2021 9:17:14 GMT -6
The only answer we needed was the Wirtz's didn't know about it and that's the only answer we got.......at every turn! Beach's settlement was confidential and now John Doe II's case just says dismissed and that's all were gonna know about that too..... nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/12/28/lawyer-lawsuit-dismissed-against-blackhawks-in-aldrich-case/I can understand Beach's confidentiality and I'd bet a bunch a NDA is involved and I can see John Doe II's attorney not commenting on the dismissal out of privacy issues but how TF does the team get away with declining to comment after all the attention and outrage? McD was actually fired BEFORE the story broke and the Wirtz's claim to have not known. Director of HR was notified after the cup was won in 2010 but the Wirtz's claim to have not known. The Org's own General Council gave the league a 'heads-up' back in January but the Wirtz's claim to have not known till the suit was filed in May. SB resigned but the Wirtz's made sure to fawn all over him in their presser. The report the Wirtz's paid for made sure to allege it was McD and Q who said the PO's were more important(per Stan Bowman) but didn't mention what the others in the room said. Q paid a big price for following the orders of his President and CEO,nobody went to HR or the cops,including the AC Beach confided in because they also followed orders......that excuse didn't work for everybody I guess. If Q had an issue with taking a fall when he shouldn’t have, why hasn’t he said something publicly? Presumably he’s not a fan of Stan or Rocky given how we was pushed out of the org so one would think he would make a stink? Maybe there’s more money movement going on than we know! It’s weird - Rocky stays clean, KB rakes in a fortune, Q and SB take major falls. It doesn’t feel good but I damn well hope that’s the end of it! I think Q and SB both took their lumps and went along with an understanding that reinstatement would be more likely if they did. "Rockey stays clean"? You can bet your ass Rockey was gonna stay clean,he paid for the investigation! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 29, 2021 22:20:32 GMT -6
If Q had an issue with taking a fall when he shouldn’t have, why hasn’t he said something publicly? Presumably he’s not a fan of Stan or Rocky given how we was pushed out of the org so one would think he would make a stink? Maybe there’s more money movement going on than we know! It’s weird - Rocky stays clean, KB rakes in a fortune, Q and SB take major falls. It doesn’t feel good but I damn well hope that’s the end of it! I think Q and SB both took their lumps and went along with an understanding that reinstatement would be more likely if they did. "Rockey stays clean"? You can bet your ass Rockey was gonna stay clean,he paid for the investigation! You don't know who Jenner and Block are do you? They don't give a hoot who pays the bill, they got more money and clout than Wirtz. I've dealt with them in the early 80's when I was a teamster. I have been questioned by them and know how they deal with "interviews". More like a cross examination, interogation even. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 30, 2021 9:47:29 GMT -6
I think Q and SB both took their lumps and went along with an understanding that reinstatement would be more likely if they did. "Rockey stays clean"? You can bet your ass Rockey was gonna stay clean,he paid for the investigation! You don't know who Jenner and Block are do you? They don't give a hoot who pays the bill, they got more money and clout than Wirtz. I've dealt with them in the early 80's when I was a teamster. I have been questioned by them and know how they deal with "interviews". More like a cross examination, interogation even. I have heard of Jenner and Block and I put nothing past lawyers no matter how rich and powerful they are. The report seemed to go out of the way to make sure everyone knew the Wirtz's knew nothing about the scandal until the suit was filed and I find that impossible to believe. It also went out of the way to paint SB in the best light and point to McD and Q as far as the guys who wanted to concentrate on the Finals. I'd still like to hear what McD has to say........what in the hell happened to him,it's like he fell off the face of the earth. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 30, 2021 12:13:51 GMT -6
You don't know who Jenner and Block are do you? They don't give a hoot who pays the bill, they got more money and clout than Wirtz. I've dealt with them in the early 80's when I was a teamster. I have been questioned by them and know how they deal with "interviews". More like a cross examination, interogation even. I have heard of Jenner and Block and I put nothing past lawyers no matter how rich and powerful they are. The report seemed to go out of the way to make sure everyone knew the Wirtz's knew nothing about the scandal until the suit was filed and I find that impossible to believe. It also went out of the way to paint SB in the best light and point to McD and Q as far as the guys who wanted to concentrate on the Finals. I'd still like to hear what McD has to say........what in the hell happened to him,it's like he fell off the face of the earth. These were not court ordered questionings. Many former players refused to talk to J&B. Keith most notably refused to talk to them. Possible McD also refused. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 30, 2021 12:37:41 GMT -6
The confidential nature of the settlement will allow the Wirtz's 'we knew nothing' defense to protect their reputations. Forget that the team's General Council gave the league a heads up in January and the Org itself was still calling the charges "baseless" as recently as May. The settlement amount probably stung a bit so I wouldn't be lookin' for any high paid HC',GM's or Presidents.......whatever Jed Hoyer says I guess. Seriously WTF!!!.... www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-engage-cubs-jed-hoyer-consultation-gm-searchYeah, I commented on that exact thing in the search for president thread about an outside firm being a consultant and going to the Cubs for the same thing. I said the same as you, "WTF".You would think with all the former players as scouts and development coaches they would have knowledge enough about who is out there and who they can contact from other teams to pursue for the jobs. You'd think Rocky knows the other owners to tap them for this. Again to me the Hunter brothers are the obvious choice to right this shit, err ship and sail it forward. Why would the Hawks want to hire the Hunter brothers? Doesn't their knowledge of the ins and outs of hockey disqualify them? |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 30, 2021 18:02:39 GMT -6
Yeah, I commented on that exact thing in the search for president thread about an outside firm being a consultant and going to the Cubs for the same thing. I said the same as you, "WTF".You would think with all the former players as scouts and development coaches they would have knowledge enough about who is out there and who they can contact from other teams to pursue for the jobs. You'd think Rocky knows the other owners to tap them for this. Again to me the Hunter brothers are the obvious choice to right this shit, err ship and sail it forward. Why would the Hawks want to hire the Hunter brothers? Doesn't their knowledge of the ins and outs of hockey disqualify them? 😅 |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 30, 2021 20:52:43 GMT -6
I think Q and SB both took their lumps and went along with an understanding that reinstatement would be more likely if they did. "Rockey stays clean"? You can bet your ass Rockey was gonna stay clean,he paid for the investigation! You don't know who Jenner and Block are do you? They don't give a hoot who pays the bill, they got more money and clout than Wirtz. I've dealt with them in the early 80's when I was a teamster. I have been questioned by them and know how they deal with "interviews". More like a cross examination, interogation even. Yeah they milked USA gymnastics for a nice penny, these are interviews nothing under oath. They get to write there own narrative somewhat. Why no interview of Rocky or Scotty??? So a young GM deals with a sexual assault first year on the job has a couple of meetings about it and many phone calls about it and never talks to daddy about it ?? Yes Jenner and Block are bad ass heavyweights but the report did have an agenda . The report was made public why not all the interviews?? |
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