blackhawks 2021/22 training camp

[LordKOTL]

Sept 29, 2021 19:56:53 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 29, 2021 19:48:35 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Serious question: If the 'hawks jettison Dach, do you trust Stan to get good value for him?

Of course not. My hope and goal is to see him develop into one hell of a player. I’m only posing the question to see what others think the timeline should be.

Even the Coyotes got Schmaltz for Strome and the other throw in. If Dach gets 31 points this year and just doesn’t live up to a 3rd overall. Do you give him another year? Let’s say the Hawks make the playoffs and lose in first round. Fleury retires and the Hawks need players. Do they do what you said and go back to the rebuild territory?

So let’s hop at least Dach becomes a real solid National Leaguer!!!

If the 'hawks make the 1st round and get bounced Stan should be gone in my opinion. I think the only way they make the playoffs is riding the vets HARD, and if that's the case Stan has effectively 6 seasons with zero improvement...but that's another debate.

I hope he and everyone succeeds. But if Dach is nothing special I would hope Stan would be shown the door before he traded him out.

*EDIT* as for the timeline, I think Dach should have a longer leash than Nylander and Strome. I think we shoud know what we got in Strome and Nylander by 20-30 games in with respect to heart and drive (which is their weaknesses), and if they can't be consistent in effort they should be gone before next season. Dach has shown effort and drive, but has an injury history. So the real question is how long do we wait to see if he can develop the actual skill? He is only 20 so maybe next year's TDL?

[vadarx]

Dach deserves multiple seasons before we give up on him, imo. I read a comparison of he and Scheifele the other day at a similar age. needless to say, it basically said we should be patient with him. the kid has the skills and seems to have the want.

Nylander and Strome already have had their chances. Nylander gets a bit longer, but Strome is at the end of his leash, imo.

[BigT]

Sept 29, 2021 20:48:44 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Sept 29, 2021 19:56:53 GMT -6 BigT said:

Of course not. My hope and goal is to see him develop into one hell of a player. I’m only posing the question to see what others think the timeline should be.

Even the Coyotes got Schmaltz for Strome and the other throw in. If Dach gets 31 points this year and just doesn’t live up to a 3rd overall. Do you give him another year? Let’s say the Hawks make the playoffs and lose in first round. Fleury retires and the Hawks need players. Do they do what you said and go back to the rebuild territory?

So let’s hop at least Dach becomes a real solid National Leaguer!!!

If the 'hawks make the 1st round and get bounced Stan should be gone in my opinion. I think the only way they make the playoffs is riding the vets HARD, and if that's the case Stan has effectively 6 seasons with zero improvement...but that's another debate.

I hope he and everyone succeeds. But if Dach is nothing special I would hope Stan would be shown the door before he traded him out.

*EDIT* as for the timeline, I think Dach should have a longer leash than Nylander and Strome. I think we shoud know what we got in Strome and Nylander by 20-30 games in with respect to heart and drive (which is their weaknesses), and if they can't be consistent in effort they should be gone before next season. Dach has shown effort and drive, but has an injury history. So the real question is how long do we wait to see if he can develop the actual skill? He is only 20 so maybe next year's TDL?

Good posts by you and Vadar. That was the gist of the conversation. To see what others think about timelines on these players.

Now my next question is, considering the state of the Hawks. What’s managements plans with these guys? They look to be in win now mode, which is ok. I’m not against that. But we all know win now usually brings a scorched earth policy. I don’t buy that Stan won’t trade a young asset for a player that can help win now.

What do you guys think? Whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter, it’s what Ole Scambo thinks!!!

[T-man2010]

Sept 30, 2021 5:54:30 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 29, 2021 20:48:44 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

If the 'hawks make the 1st round and get bounced Stan should be gone in my opinion. I think the only way they make the playoffs is riding the vets HARD, and if that's the case Stan has effectively 6 seasons with zero improvement...but that's another debate.

I hope he and everyone succeeds. But if Dach is nothing special I would hope Stan would be shown the door before he traded him out.

*EDIT* as for the timeline, I think Dach should have a longer leash than Nylander and Strome. I think we shoud know what we got in Strome and Nylander by 20-30 games in with respect to heart and drive (which is their weaknesses), and if they can't be consistent in effort they should be gone before next season. Dach has shown effort and drive, but has an injury history. So the real question is how long do we wait to see if he can develop the actual skill? He is only 20 so maybe next year's TDL?

Good posts by you and Vadar. That was the gist of the conversation. To see what others think about timelines on these players.

Now my next question is, considering the state of the Hawks. What’s managements plans with these guys? They look to be in win now mode, which is ok. I’m not against that. But we all know win now usually brings a scorched earth policy. I don’t buy that Stan won’t trade a young asset for a player that can help win now.

What do you guys think? Whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter, it’s what Ole Scambo thinks!!!

Does it really matter? Who is going to replace SB? Who's out there that hasn't already been fired a few times  for doing the same thing SB has done.
The point is it's a crap shoot drafting players and hoping they pan out. If I wasn't so lazy I would try to find out what % of each GM's picks pan out to the ones that fail.

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 5:54:30 GMT -6 BigT said:

Sept 29, 2021 20:48:44 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

If the 'hawks make the 1st round and get bounced Stan should be gone in my opinion. I think the only way they make the playoffs is riding the vets HARD, and if that's the case Stan has effectively 6 seasons with zero improvement...but that's another debate.

I hope he and everyone succeeds. But if Dach is nothing special I would hope Stan would be shown the door before he traded him out.

*EDIT* as for the timeline, I think Dach should have a longer leash than Nylander and Strome. I think we shoud know what we got in Strome and Nylander by 20-30 games in with respect to heart and drive (which is their weaknesses), and if they can't be consistent in effort they should be gone before next season. Dach has shown effort and drive, but has an injury history. So the real question is how long do we wait to see if he can develop the actual skill? He is only 20 so maybe next year's TDL?

Good posts by you and Vadar. That was the gist of the conversation. To see what others think about timelines on these players.

Now my next question is, considering the state of the Hawks. What’s managements plans with these guys? They look to be in win now mode, which is ok. I’m not against that. But we all know win now usually brings a scorched earth policy. I don’t buy that Stan won’t trade a young asset for a player that can help win now.

What do you guys think? Whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter, it’s what Ole Scambo thinks!!!

My issue with the team's management is that the direction changes on a whim.  They should be picking a plan and sticking to it--as well as having said plan be the litmus test by which JC and Stan are judged:

If we're in win-now mode, then fine, push off some of the youth's development and run the stars to rack up the wins (and any youth contributing of course).  Don't tolerate growing pains.  But, the results have to come--so if the team doesn't make the WCF in my opinion, Stan and JC have to go because they didn't come to a reasonable distance of winning.

If it's in rebuild mode then wins are secondary.  The vets, stars or not, have to take a back seat to giving the youth time to develop.  growing pains should be expected, but also improvement over stretches of games with respect to the youth's games.  In about 20 games we should see which kids have the heart and who can dig deep.  We should also see who bounces back from bad showings and who doesn't.  Stan should be judged by the players he brings in and their improvement over the course of the year, and JC should be judged based on player improvement.

Rebuild-in-situ doesn't really work,. but if the 'hawks are going that route again they have to be judged on that.  For instance, in the go for it scenario MAF should get the bulk of the starts--like somewhere near 60.  In the rebuild scenario it should be about 50-50 between Lanks and MAF--unless Lanks just runs with it.  An in-situ scenario would be something closer to 50-30, and with Lanks getting some of the difficult assignments (doesn't just apply to the goalies but that's the best example).  In that scenario I'd think playoffs are a must since we're also trying to win, but the kids should be doing some of the load-carrying.

What I'm seeing is that the direction changes with whatever the team is doing to try to save Stan's & JC's hide.  If the 'hawks are on a run we're going for it and they try to run the vets to rack up more wins.  If they are cold they default to, "we're rebuilding" as an excuse for the losses, but neither are held accountable for the failure to win or the failure to rebuild.  That's a problem.

Ultimately though: since the last cup win we've been bounced in the 1st round, bounced soundly in the 1st round, missed the playoffs, missed the playoffs, lucked out into the play-in to beat a team with less depth then got bounced in the 1st round, and missed the playoffs. That's 6 straight seasons of either one-and-done or outside looking in--so as I mentioned no improvement.  The team plan in all of those years has been ride the vets when convenient, and then claim rebuild when things aren't going our way.  We're also not letting some kids develop, we acquire assets and then sell them at a loss, some kids who need development are moved unceremoniously, and other kids who shouldn't be playing much are given far too much opportunity to repeatedly fail.

It seems to me that Management thinks keeping their jobs when they've done nothing more that stay in mediocrity is more important than winning, or setting us up to win in the future--and that's a problem.  That hurts the young players timelines because we can't get that accurate of a gauge on them in a reasonable amount of time.

But like I said:  Strome and Nylander have to show they will bring it every single game and do the little things while cold rather than coast--and yes, I've seen them both coast way more frequently than they should.  We should be able to see whether or not they can play with drive consistency after about 20-30 games.  If they can't do that, then we should cut them loose.  The 'hawks shouldn't have them taking up a roster slot regardless of whatever latent talent they have if they can't be arsed to play like they want to be playing hockey.  Guys like Hagel are much more valuable.  Dach on the other hande has shown drive, but has a bit of an injury history and thus hasn't been able to get in a groove (except in the play-in).  The question for him is whether or not he as a 20yo can develop his talent because he already tries to bring it to bear.  That means a little more leash.  This season and maybe even some of next, barring injury (which may be another red flag) should be enough to evaluate if he is on a decent upward trajectory.  But yeah, we've got a 20 year old Dach vs. a 23yo Nylander and a 24yo Strome.  Naturally, Dach should have a longer leash.

[hsbob]

dawindycity.com/2021/09/30/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-way-back/

Just shy of 23 minutes,a dandy helper on the first goal after some dandy board work,a BEAUTY on the shoot out as usual and SEVENTY ONE PERCENT at the dot(not a typo)while the team was 49% collectively. Out of condition? Suffering from ill health? C'MON MAN!!!!!!!

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 7:33:51 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

Sept 30, 2021 5:54:30 GMT -6 BigT said:

Good posts by you and Vadar. That was the gist of the conversation. To see what others think about timelines on these players.

Now my next question is, considering the state of the Hawks. What’s managements plans with these guys? They look to be in win now mode, which is ok. I’m not against that. But we all know win now usually brings a scorched earth policy. I don’t buy that Stan won’t trade a young asset for a player that can help win now.

What do you guys think? Whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter, it’s what Ole Scambo thinks!!!

Does it really matter? Who is going to replace SB? Who's out there that hasn't already been fired a few times  for doing the same thing SB has done.
The point is it's a crap shoot drafting players and hoping they pan out. If I wasn't so lazy I would try to find out what % of each GM's picks pan out to the ones that fail.

Not all GMs are created equal.  Stan is the type of GM you want around when you have a talented, young core that you want to keep together to maintain staying on top.  Between 2010 and 2015 Stan was doing a good job of doing just that in my opinion.

It's beyond that where Stan showed his weaknesses about (a) not realistically assessing the core's aging rate and coming up with a succession plan for Hjammer, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, Toews, Kane, and Crawford), and (b) not scouting out much correct raw talent to build the next core.  So far his only true success is Debrincat.  Some of the other guys like Hagel, Lankienen, and Kubalik show some promise but they aren't quite there yet.  So far Stan has not built up the D except for *maybe* Jones the Elder (and that depends on whether or not Jones pans out there, he lost his opportunity in a long-term #1 in Lehner and let him get away for nothing, The youth in the backend has been successfully bled to the point of only having only Beaudin and Mitchell.  He managed to turn Panarin into a 3oa pick, and like mentioned above he has shown no consistent plan as to the future of the 'hawks.  We're going for it when the team has a good streak and development takes a backseat, or we're "rebuilding" whenever the team isn't winning.

The 'hawks would need a GM who is a good scouter/developer, not a maintainer.  The scouters/developers could be fired because the aren't good maintainers.

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 9:02:48 GMT -6 hsbob said:

dawindycity.com/2021/09/30/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-way-back/

Just shy of 23 minutes,a dandy helper on the first goal after some dandy board work,a BEAUTY on the shoot out as usual and SEVENTY ONE PERCENT at the dot(not a typo)while the team was 49% collectively. Out of condition? Suffering from ill health? C'MON MAN!!!!!!!

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

[hsbob]

AS far as the Dach,Strome,NOlander comparisons.....JMO.

Dach is a highly talented youngster who shows the necessary tools. Injuries have been a HUGE setback but I do see massive potential and the proper work ethic to improve his FO's.....if he does,I see 1LC potential.

Strome has 122pts in 204 games(don't shoot the messenger)and at least one solid season under his belt and YES,some holes in his game to go along with it. Forcing him into a bottom six winger role instead of getting something/anything in trade is an awful GUS-like stubbornness.

NOlander has pretty much enraged every HC he's had so far with his play way from the puck,JC himself benched his prized acquisition just three games in when he arrived and then again in the last bubble PO game.....the team's most important of the year in favor of J Quenneville and Highmore for God's sake. He's a floater and he'll always be a floater..........TERRIBLE TRADE!!!!!!!!!

[hsbob]

Sept 30, 2021 9:14:39 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:02:48 GMT -6 hsbob said:

dawindycity.com/2021/09/30/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-way-back/

Just shy of 23 minutes,a dandy helper on the first goal after some dandy board work,a BEAUTY on the shoot out as usual and SEVENTY ONE PERCENT at the dot(not a typo)while the team was 49% collectively. Out of condition? Suffering from ill health? C'MON MAN!!!!!!!

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

Every single guy who suited up last night played against a preseason Detroit squad.......any of em look better than JT?

Look,I know what the guy's been through too but he's been practicing for months now,he made his return announcement back in June and he had already been skating at that  point. I thinks he's ready and I could be wrong. 
   

[Tater]

Sept 30, 2021 10:19:13 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:14:39 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

Every single guy who suited up last night played against a preseason Detroit squad.......any of em look better than JT?

Look,I know what the guy's been through too but he's been practicing for months now,he made his return announcement back in June and he had already been skating at that  point. I thinks he's ready and I could be wrong. 
   

Toews sure looks ready to me. I know it was against a pre-season Detroit team, but he looked much better already than I expected and hoped for. His faceoffs and penalty killing alone as a huge plus for the team.

[hsbob]

Sept 30, 2021 10:39:54 GMT -6 Tater said:

Sept 30, 2021 10:19:13 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Every single guy who suited up last night played against a preseason Detroit squad.......any of em look better than JT?

Look,I know what the guy's been through too but he's been practicing for months now,he made his return announcement back in June and he had already been skating at that  point. I thinks he's ready and I could be wrong. 
   

Toews sure looks ready to me. I know it was against a pre-season Detroit team, but he looked much better already than I expected and hoped for. His faceoffs and penalty killing alone as a huge plus for the team.

Now,if someone suggests limiting or doing away with the grueling PK minutes JT sees,I'm all for that but who wins the MASSIVLY important PK FO's? I do think and hope TJ can be this guy. 

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 10:19:13 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:14:39 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

Every single guy who suited up last night played against a preseason Detroit squad.......any of em look better than JT?

Look,I know what the guy's been through too but he's been practicing for months now,he made his return announcement back in June and he had already been skating at that  point. I thinks he's ready and I could be wrong. 
   

I don't know.  ESPN+ didn't carry the game so I wasn't able to watch it...much to my annoyance.

Going off of what I could follow it seems like Toews had a great game, but so did Gaudette and Hagel.  Meanwhile all indications were that Nylander seemed like he'd rather not be there and Lankinen might have kinks to work out.  Without seeing the little things I can't say who was the best based on the eye-test.  

This wasn't meant to be a knock against Toews, but stating quality of opponent.  Beating up on Detroit is one thing--going up against Colorado or Tampa is another. That applies to everyone including Toews.

[hsbob]

Sept 30, 2021 10:52:41 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Sept 30, 2021 10:19:13 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Every single guy who suited up last night played against a preseason Detroit squad.......any of em look better than JT?

Look,I know what the guy's been through too but he's been practicing for months now,he made his return announcement back in June and he had already been skating at that  point. I thinks he's ready and I could be wrong. 
   

I don't know.  ESPN+ didn't carry the game so I wasn't able to watch it...much to my annoyance.

Going off of what I could follow it seems like Toews had a great game, but so did Gaudette and Hagel.  Meanwhile all indications were that Nylander seemed like he'd rather not be there and Lankinen might have kinks to work out.  Without seeing the little things I can't say who was the best based on the eye-test.  

This wasn't meant to be a knock against Toews, but stating quality of opponent.  Beating up on Detroit is one thing--going up against Colorado or Tampa is another. That applies to everyone including Toews.

I'm sure we're both happy with how JC looked but I have a question for you as far as ESPN+. I attemtpted to watch Fla's PS game on ESPN+ last night and it told me I had to sign up 69.95 or 6.95 a month. Is ESPN+ going to be a paid streaming service and will I need it along with center ice this year? Fla shows eight games to be shown on ESPN + this year.      

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 11:05:14 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 30, 2021 10:52:41 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

I don't know.  ESPN+ didn't carry the game so I wasn't able to watch it...much to my annoyance.

Going off of what I could follow it seems like Toews had a great game, but so did Gaudette and Hagel.  Meanwhile all indications were that Nylander seemed like he'd rather not be there and Lankinen might have kinks to work out.  Without seeing the little things I can't say who was the best based on the eye-test.  

This wasn't meant to be a knock against Toews, but stating quality of opponent.  Beating up on Detroit is one thing--going up against Colorado or Tampa is another. That applies to everyone including Toews.

I'm sure we're both happy with how JC looked but I have a question for you as far as ESPN+. I attemtpted to watch Fla's PS game on ESPN+ last night and it told me I had to sign up 69.95 or 6.95 a month. Is ESPN+ going to be a paid streaming service and will I need it along with center ice this year? Fla shows eight games to be shown on ESPN + this year.      

I have no clue about Center Ice; I never had it.  Unfortunately I can't answer whether you need it in addition to Center Ice or if it's an either/or.

ESPN+ is supposed to take over for NHL.TV (the online version of Center Ice), where you can supposedly catch all out-of-market games.  Even NHL.TV and Gamecenter Live didn't often show preseason matches for the 'hawks out-of-market.

Here's what I gather about the pricing, though.  ESPN+, like Disney+, and Hulu+, have their less expensive access which is probably the $6.95/month price.  They also have the "live TV" which is likely the $69.95.  They also have a bundle which for us is like $20/month for Disney+, Hulu+ and ESPN+ without ads for prerecorded shows.  Thankfully my wife watches a lot of shows on Disney+ and Hulu+ so taking the money from NHL.tv and pushing it to the Hulu+ bundle is actually save us some cash...assuming of course we get every out-of-market game streaming.

There were a couple of games on ESPN+ I caught last season.  It seemed to be like NHL.TV but you couldn't choose home/away streams, so sometimes I was stuck with the away broadcasting team.

I honestly am not sure how things will work since it's the 1st season of them doing it this way.  I'll be pissed if I can't get a game that is only on NBC Sports Chicago like I was able to on NHL.TV (Since I'm not in the Chicago market they shouldn't black that out for me).  Just like I'm not sure if the Nov. 12th game against AZ is will only be showed on ESPN+ and not on Center Ice. 

Sorry if this was no help; that's all I know about it.

[hsbob]

Sept 30, 2021 11:32:59 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Sept 30, 2021 11:05:14 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I'm sure we're both happy with how JC looked but I have a question for you as far as ESPN+. I attemtpted to watch Fla's PS game on ESPN+ last night and it told me I had to sign up 69.95 or 6.95 a month. Is ESPN+ going to be a paid streaming service and will I need it along with center ice this year? Fla shows eight games to be shown on ESPN + this year.      

I have no clue about Center Ice; I never had it.  Unfortunately I can't answer whether you need it in addition to Center Ice or if it's an either/or.

ESPN+ is supposed to take over for NHL.TV (the online version of Center Ice), where you can supposedly catch all out-of-market games.  Even NHL.TV and Gamecenter Live didn't often show preseason matches for the 'hawks out-of-market.

Here's what I gather about the pricing, though.  ESPN+, like Disney+, and Hulu+, have their less expensive access which is probably the $6.95/month price.  They also have the "live TV" which is likely the $69.95.  They also have a bundle which for us is like $20/month for Disney+, Hulu+ and ESPN+ without ads for prerecorded shows.  Thankfully my wife watches a lot of shows on Disney+ and Hulu+ so taking the money from NHL.tv and pushing it to the Hulu+ bundle is actually save us some cash...assuming of course we get every out-of-market game streaming.

There were a couple of games on ESPN+ I caught last season.  It seemed to be like NHL.TV but you couldn't choose home/away streams, so sometimes I was stuck with the away broadcasting team.

I honestly am not sure how things will work since it's the 1st season of them doing it this way.  I'll be pissed if I can't get a game that is only on NBC Sports Chicago like I was able to on NHL.TV (Since I'm not in the Chicago market they shouldn't black that out for me).  Just like I'm not sure if the Nov. 12th game against AZ is will only be showed on ESPN+ and not on Center Ice. 

Sorry if this was no help; that's all I know about it.

A bunch of help and thanks for it! My confusion mostly comes from the center ice channels still being on my comcast service and two of em WERE showing PS games the other night. I have to think only one subscription will be necessary to see out of market games or at least I hope that's the case. 

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 11:53:23 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Sept 30, 2021 11:32:59 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

I have no clue about Center Ice; I never had it.  Unfortunately I can't answer whether you need it in addition to Center Ice or if it's an either/or.

ESPN+ is supposed to take over for NHL.TV (the online version of Center Ice), where you can supposedly catch all out-of-market games.  Even NHL.TV and Gamecenter Live didn't often show preseason matches for the 'hawks out-of-market.

Here's what I gather about the pricing, though.  ESPN+, like Disney+, and Hulu+, have their less expensive access which is probably the $6.95/month price.  They also have the "live TV" which is likely the $69.95.  They also have a bundle which for us is like $20/month for Disney+, Hulu+ and ESPN+ without ads for prerecorded shows.  Thankfully my wife watches a lot of shows on Disney+ and Hulu+ so taking the money from NHL.tv and pushing it to the Hulu+ bundle is actually save us some cash...assuming of course we get every out-of-market game streaming.

There were a couple of games on ESPN+ I caught last season.  It seemed to be like NHL.TV but you couldn't choose home/away streams, so sometimes I was stuck with the away broadcasting team.

I honestly am not sure how things will work since it's the 1st season of them doing it this way.  I'll be pissed if I can't get a game that is only on NBC Sports Chicago like I was able to on NHL.TV (Since I'm not in the Chicago market they shouldn't black that out for me).  Just like I'm not sure if the Nov. 12th game against AZ is will only be showed on ESPN+ and not on Center Ice. 

Sorry if this was no help; that's all I know about it.

A bunch of help and thanks for it! My confusion mostly comes from the center ice channels still being on my comcast service and two of em WERE showing PS games the other night. I have to think only one subscription will be necessary to see out of market games or at least I hope that's the case. 

I hope so as well.  On ESPN+ they had a few preseason games listed, but the Chicago one wasn't one of them.

[vadarx]

Sept 30, 2021 9:14:39 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:02:48 GMT -6 hsbob said:

dawindycity.com/2021/09/30/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-way-back/

Just shy of 23 minutes,a dandy helper on the first goal after some dandy board work,a BEAUTY on the shoot out as usual and SEVENTY ONE PERCENT at the dot(not a typo)while the team was 49% collectively. Out of condition? Suffering from ill health? C'MON MAN!!!!!!!

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

I agree. let's see how he feels today. or tomorrow. very encouraging for both us fans and for Johnny, though!

[LordKOTL]

Sept 30, 2021 15:19:33 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Sept 30, 2021 9:14:39 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

I'm happy as you are, but I'm cautious.  We played against a preseason Detroit squad.  That's good for easing in, but not a good stress test.  That being said I feel much more confident than I did this summer.

I agree. let's see how he feels today. or tomorrow. very encouraging for both us fans and for Johnny, though!

It is indeed a good thing.

[bigbarn27]

Sept 30, 2021 9:02:48 GMT -6 hsbob said:

dawindycity.com/2021/09/30/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-way-back/

Just shy of 23 minutes,a dandy helper on the first goal after some dandy board work,a BEAUTY on the shoot out as usual and SEVENTY ONE PERCENT at the dot(not a typo)while the team was 49% collectively. Out of condition? Suffering from ill health? C'MON MAN!!!!!!!

lots to worry about... But not 19!!! maybe a game off here or there.. as for dach lets talk after a full year

[galaxytrash]

quiet day at camp today.

[tincup]

www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2021/09/30/blackhawks-roster-moves-jalen-luypen-and-ethan-del-mastro-assigned-to-juniors/

The first expected moves. I’ll try to get to a couple of Oil King games to check Luypen out live, I’ll wait for Kelowna to come in to catch Dach as well.

[galaxytrash]

Sept 30, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -6 tincup said:

www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2021/09/30/blackhawks-roster-moves-jalen-luypen-and-ethan-del-mastro-assigned-to-juniors/

The first expected moves. I’ll try to get to a couple of Oil King games to check Luypen out live, I’ll wait for Kelowna to come in to catch Dach as well.

just saw on twitter the oil kings are the #1 ranked CHL team.

[tincup]

Sept 30, 2021 18:03:13 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Sept 30, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -6 tincup said:

www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2021/09/30/blackhawks-roster-moves-jalen-luypen-and-ethan-del-mastro-assigned-to-juniors/

The first expected moves. I’ll try to get to a couple of Oil King games to check Luypen out live, I’ll wait for Kelowna to come in to catch Dach as well.

just saw on twitter the oil kings are the #1 ranked CHL team.

If everyone comes back from their NHL camps they’ve got a pretty decent squad. Half a dozen draft picks the last two years.

[tincup]

Sept 30, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Kinda surprised to see them play Toews back to back but it’s obvious Colliton is going to do everything he can to get Reichel a spot on the team so lining him up besides two of the best diggers on the team gives him a good showcase. And Strome gets the usual scrapings. But nice mix on the fourth line, wouldn’t it be great if the converted Osipov, who’s actually a pretty good skater, could make some noise? At least he’s one guy that knows what to do when it’s required.

[galaxytrash]

Sept 30, 2021 18:36:53 GMT -6 tincup said:

Sept 30, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Kinda surprised to see them play Toews back to back but it’s obvious Colliton is going to do everything he can to get Reichel a spot on the team so lining him up besides two of the best diggers on the team gives him a good showcase. And Strome gets the usual scrapings. But nice mix on the fourth line, wouldn’t it be great if the converted Osipov, who’s actually a pretty good skater, could make some noise? At least he’s one guy that knows what to do when it’s required.

i'm even more surprised to see nylander back in but i guess both players have a lot of rust to shed.

definitely going to keep my good eye on osipov and galvas as well, and line #1 of course.

[OldTimeHawky]

Sept 30, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -6 tincup said:

www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2021/09/30/blackhawks-roster-moves-jalen-luypen-and-ethan-del-mastro-assigned-to-juniors/

The first expected moves. I’ll try to get to a couple of Oil King games to check Luypen out live, I’ll wait for Kelowna to come in to catch Dach as well.

I was thinking the same thing about catching some Oil King games, especially against Kelowna, maybe we can get a beer 👍

[tincup]

Sept 30, 2021 18:58:30 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Sept 30, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -6 tincup said:

www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2021/09/30/blackhawks-roster-moves-jalen-luypen-and-ethan-del-mastro-assigned-to-juniors/

The first expected moves. I’ll try to get to a couple of Oil King games to check Luypen out live, I’ll wait for Kelowna to come in to catch Dach as well.

I was thinking the same thing about catching some Oil King games, especially against Kelowna, maybe we can get a beer 👍

Not a bad idea. I’ll be the guy wearing the mask.

[bigbarn27]

Sept 30, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

quiet day at camp today.

looks like S Jones already figured out JC defensive system.

[galaxytrash]

^^ hard to tell.
is the system even relevant on 2 on 2 drills?