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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 6, 2022 16:18:27 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind. While it’s only an 18% chance at the 1st pick. It’s much much less for the other teams. And the Hawks can only fall to #3 at worst. It used to be the #1 could fall as far down as they may. But now there’s rules that the number one can only drop 2 spots. So the Hawks would be guaranteed a top 3 pick which is exactly what the team needs!!! Here's hoping, if we do get it, it's more Toews/Savard and less Barker/Dach. Wow you just compared Dach to Barker... I see that Dach for Rossi trade coming soon. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 6, 2022 16:47:02 GMT -6
Suffering only a "few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed"? Make it a decade, or more. Remember, the Hawks have not even started rebuilding. 7-10 years...depending on when we get the 1st actual core piece, some good luck, and depending on whether or not KD's regime is lobotomized or not. That's what our last build took and about the same timeline Colorado had. Decade is probably median time. more if we're unlucky or the regime sucks. 7 with a lot of luck. You and I are on the same page, more or less. Hard for me to imagine that they could be so lucky as to become seriously relevant in 7 years. As said, they haven 't even started to rebuild as of this time. Who knows what stunts they will pull off with Kane, Toews, the Cat and Jones. They had the chance to get some serious potential or actual talent for Kane and Toews which they passed on because Bowman thought he could together a winner with Kane and Toews still in uniform. Tell us how that worked out for you, Stanman. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 6, 2022 17:08:10 GMT -6
Suffering only a "few years for the next gen to be acquired and developed"? Make it a decade, or more. Remember, the Hawks have not even started rebuilding. Agree with you here, next possible cup is probably around the 30s Unless of course if Dach is the next Toews or Mitchell is the next Keith I don't think Dach is, but if he is, hey, I'm all for it. Same thing with Mitchell. I think Stillman and Vlassic are ahead of him at this point. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 6, 2022 17:21:54 GMT -6
Here's hoping, if we do get it, it's more Toews/Savard and less Barker/Dach. Wow you just compared Dach to Barker... I see that Dach for Rossi trade coming soon. Both are/were oft injured and both did show some flashes of brilliance while generally being nothing special. So far Dach, like Barker has not lived up to his draft position. Can it change? Sure. I'm hoping for it and I hope that he does get a 1.5-2M/1-2yr "Show-me" deal and runs with it--knowing full well that if he does develop into a #2 center with D-upside (or better), the 'hawks will have the cap to pay him. But right now? Irrespective of his circumstances which, to be fair, were brought on by the last regime rushing him, he's looking less and less like the future. As I mentioned before though: He's ineligible for arbitration. The amount he'll fetch in the trade market is pretty low. He may have underachieved so far but he's young enough that he could turn it around. I don't see a competent GM offer-sheeting him for more than ~2.5M since he would be a considered a project at this point. Since we don't have too many centers--especially if Strome walks, there's no reason we can't throw him that contract bone and lay the situation in front of him: He can accept that show-me deal and work hard at it--and possibly end up with a decent payday. OR, he can test the offer-sheet market or try Europe. To me the choice is clear--sign the offer handed to him, pull a Strome and work the hell out of his game in the summer, translate that onto a good personal year. Profit. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 6, 2022 21:22:03 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ?
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 6, 2022 21:48:17 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? I think I'd look for a massive trade with the Kraken. They've said that everything is on the table, and pretty much ditto with the Hawks. Take their 4th overall draft pick and 2023 top draft pick for Debrincat, a top 6 fprward. and a prospect. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 7, 2022 1:59:45 GMT -6
D minus 0....DRAFT DAY, and possible trades. I can't wait
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 7, 2022 2:00:57 GMT -6
D minus 0....DRAFT DAY, and possible trades. I can't wait Yep, looking forward to as well. Best 3 days to look forward to during the offseason - draft days 1&2 and free agency opening Edit: Actually, in central Europe, both draft days occur on the same day over here... day "1" starts at 01:00 AM and day "2" starts at 05:00 PM  |
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Post by Tater on Jul 7, 2022 2:04:41 GMT -6
D minus 0....DRAFT DAY, and possible trades. I can't wait Yep, looking forward to as well. Best 3 days to look forward to during the offseason - draft days 1&2 and free agency opening Edit: Actually, in central Europe, both draft days occur on the same day over here... day "1" starts at 01:00 AM and day "2" starts at 05:00 PM 
To me, it's not quite the same without a first round pick.
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 7, 2022 2:44:31 GMT -6
Yep, looking forward to as well. Best 3 days to look forward to during the offseason - draft days 1&2 and free agency opening Edit: Actually, in central Europe, both draft days occur on the same day over here... day "1" starts at 01:00 AM and day "2" starts at 05:00 PM
To me, it's not quite the same without a first round pick.
It's quite the opposite for me this year. Slovak players have a chance to have 3 players selected in the first round, two of them in the top 5. That would be a huge accomplishment for our youngsters, especially after a long drought our hockey has had in the recent 10 - 15 years. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 7, 2022 8:47:02 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? I think $3.5 for 4 years is too much - let him walk. I think the brothers would like to play together so we'll see. 2 years at $2.5 - the show me deal. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 7, 2022 9:23:50 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? The question that KD & Co. have to be asking themselves in that situation is: is 14M over 4 years for Dach who may or may not be the center we need be more valuable to the future of the club than a 2nd round pick. I believe this would be for the 2023 draft. I'd be highly tempted to let him walk for that much and that amount of time, personally. If the 'hawks are operating without the critical D-piece in the system like I think they are, by the time they get that Dach might be in his 30's by the time the 'hawks are ready, and a early 2nd round pick in a deep draft might be more worthwhile for the rebuild. Plus, as mentioned, I don't think Seattle would do that move for that amount of time for the same reason we wouldn't. If Dach turns out to be a bottom-6 FWD, 4 years at 3.5M would be effectively immovable--unless Seattle (or us) would try to palm him off to a cap floor team--and there's better personnel who fit into that category. 2ys @ 3.5M AAV? I'd be tempted to match. Not 4 years. If Dach can't put it together in 2 he's not going to in 4, and if he does put it together in 2 years, he will have arbitration rights (I believe) and could leverage a contract similar to Debrincat's current one--assuming he lives up to his draft hype. As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? I think $3.5 for 4 years is too much - let him walk. I think the brothers would like to play together so we'll see. 2 years at $2.5 - the show me deal. Disagree. No more than $2M on the show-me deal. The 'hawks have all of the leverage at this point. Dach can't arbitrate and his only hope for a bigger payday is the offer sheet market, and as aforementioned being oft-injured, scoring very little, and an abysmal FO% for a center is not going to court many teams willing to pay much more. If he's offer-sheeted 2.5M AAV over two then we match, but I don't think they should go over $2M. I think he'll be in very little demand so the 'hawks might as well save some cap dollars on him and dangle thew whole carrot-and-stick for him. Make him earn his payday. This can also help give us enough cap to weaponize our capspace (as mvr eloquently put it). |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 7, 2022 10:03:16 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? Only two players in NHL salary cap history have signed offer sheets and only ten have been made since '06',thye're very rare and I doubt Seattle wants the bad vibes associated with 'sheeting' a player who hasn't shown much. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 7, 2022 10:27:06 GMT -6
As we both know he plays well for 2 years he is gonna be rewarded that’s a no brainer. My question is if the Kraken offer sheet him for 4 years at 3.5 are you matching it ? The question that KD & Co. have to be asking themselves in that situation is: is 14M over 4 years for Dach who may or may not be the center we need be more valuable to the future of the club than a 2nd round pick. I believe this would be for the 2023 draft. I'd be highly tempted to let him walk for that much and that amount of time, personally. If the 'hawks are operating without the critical D-piece in the system like I think they are, by the time they get that Dach might be in his 30's by the time the 'hawks are ready, and a early 2nd round pick in a deep draft might be more worthwhile for the rebuild. Plus, as mentioned, I don't think Seattle would do that move for that amount of time for the same reason we wouldn't. If Dach turns out to be a bottom-6 FWD, 4 years at 3.5M would be effectively immovable--unless Seattle (or us) would try to palm him off to a cap floor team--and there's better personnel who fit into that category. 2ys @ 3.5M AAV? I'd be tempted to match. Not 4 years. If Dach can't put it together in 2 he's not going to in 4, and if he does put it together in 2 years, he will have arbitration rights (I believe) and could leverage a contract similar to Debrincat's current one--assuming he lives up to his draft hype. I think $3.5 for 4 years is too much - let him walk. I think the brothers would like to play together so we'll see. 2 years at $2.5 - the show me deal. Disagree. No more than $2M on the show-me deal. The 'hawks have all of the leverage at this point. Dach can't arbitrate and his only hope for a bigger payday is the offer sheet market, and as aforementioned being oft-injured, scoring very little, and an abysmal FO% for a center is not going to court many teams willing to pay much more. If he's offer-sheeted 2.5M AAV over two then we match, but I don't think they should go over $2M. I think he'll be in very little demand so the 'hawks might as well save some cap dollars on him and dangle thew whole carrot-and-stick for him. Make him earn his payday. This can also help give us enough cap to weaponize our capspace (as mvr eloquently put it). $2 million X 2 years is better still! |
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Post by tincup on Jul 7, 2022 11:01:14 GMT -6
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 7, 2022 11:49:02 GMT -6
Good amount of sources saying Cat will be moved before the draft maybe KD getting final offers and then will pick one . Then the rest of the pieces fall. Maybe we have extra reason to tune in tonight we will see
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Post by tincup on Jul 7, 2022 11:59:57 GMT -6
Good amount of sources saying Cat will be moved before the draft maybe KD getting final offers and then will pick one . Then the rest of the pieces fall. Maybe we have extra reason to tune in tonight we will see Yeah. Need someone to blink and make that first move. Then with a little luck we get a good cascade going and the night gets interesting. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 7, 2022 12:34:26 GMT -6
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 7, 2022 13:27:05 GMT -6
That would make everyone on this board very happy |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 7, 2022 13:43:04 GMT -6
That would make everyone on this board very happy As would I. That's spinning straw into gold. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 7, 2022 14:00:50 GMT -6
The new team is looking to make a big splash. I've seen this from politicians after an election. Some grandiose show that usually ends up having the opposite reaction they're looking for. I hope there's a rational and reasoned plan at work here.
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Post by BigT on Jul 7, 2022 14:02:53 GMT -6
If these rumours pan out. The Hawks could end up with 3 first rounders this year. The NJ and Dcat is heating up fast. And so it Dach to either Detroit or Columbus. Murphy rumours still heating up. Leaves seem to be a solid spot now.
In other news. I’ve been reading that the Canadiens are leaning towards Slafkovsky. If the Hawks get #2 and Wright. I’d do that straight up for Dcat. That’s a great piece to build around and 6 years younger!!!
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Post by BigT on Jul 7, 2022 14:07:48 GMT -6
Also hearing maybe Chychrun to NJ for the 2nd pick!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 7, 2022 14:09:10 GMT -6
I have been told by everyone this years draft is weak and next years is deep with 1st round talent. Has that changed ?
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 7, 2022 14:10:35 GMT -6
If these rumours pan out. The Hawks could end up with 3 first rounders this year. The NJ and Dcat is heating up fast. And so it Dach to either Detroit or Columbus. Murphy rumours still heating up. Leaves seem to be a solid spot now. In other news. I’ve been reading that the Canadiens are leaning towards Slafkovsky. If the Hawks get #2 and Wright. I’d do that straight up for Dcat. That’s a great piece to build around and 6 years younger!!! I think I'd opt for Cooley over Wright, but I haven't seen enough of the two to get a read on their character. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 7, 2022 14:18:37 GMT -6
Also hearing maybe Chychrun to NJ for the 2nd pick!!! Yeah now hearing Cat to Sens heating up this is where KD starts getting his lunch handed to him |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 7, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -6
And K D panicked and lost
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Post by nighbor on Jul 7, 2022 14:26:45 GMT -6
That would make everyone on this board very happy Not me. I have not given up on him. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 7, 2022 14:29:40 GMT -6
I have been told by everyone this years draft is weak and next years is deep with 1st round talent. Has that changed ? 23-24 draft is supposed to have several franchise-type players at the top. This year, the talent doesn't rise that high. At least that is the way I have read it. (your mileage may vary) |
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Post by nighbor on Jul 7, 2022 14:30:27 GMT -6
And K D panicked and lost How so. |
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