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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 9, 2022 16:36:42 GMT -6
The Sabres have the longest playoff drought streak going at 11 seasons, which is an all-time record shared by the Panthers. In the current upcoming season, next are the Wings at 6 and the Senators at 5. So, why would the Hawks be different than the current Sabres or that other Panthers team? Why would they be different than the current Wings and Senators? Since no one can predict the future, predicting on this web site that the Hawks will get great draft picks and magically transform a horrible team into a winner is nothing more than wishful thinking and has nothing to do with the upcoming reality. Remember I am only writing here about being a playoff team, not a Cup-contending team. A lot of teams make the playoffs and that is as high as they go. We can hope and wish all we want, but having a Cup contending team in Chicago at any point in this decade is pretty unlikely, so one who appreciates good hockey will have to look elsewhere to find it. I cannot say you’re wrong. What I can say is that leave out the “Play in” round and the Hawks are on a 5-6 year playoff absence too. I also look at what the last administration has done, it did not work. And that’s being very polite. So, I see things done in a different way now. And not in a way of rebuilding for 2-3 years like Buffalo tried and signed a bunch of free agents, most notably Skinner. It was a terrible time to try for it and they ended up with picks 6-12 for half a decade, not a great spot. Detroit wouldn’t fully tank. They tried the old “let it down gently” approach and it has led them to now. KD has got a set of balls on him. I mean like it must be hard to walk. He’s dealing with legends here and he’s doing it his way. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks. He’s going for broke here. To trade away Dcat just to start a rebuild, was a breath of fresh air. He traded Dach to further aid it. He’s just ripping the band aid off. He’s gonna have cap space and a ton of draft picks. It’s not gonna be pretty for a wee bit. But KDs put himself in a position to climb out when he wants. Just hypothetical here. Let’s say the Hawks get Fantilli, he’s a number one center. Korchinski is a number one dman. Nazar is a #3 center. Savoie is a shit disturber on the 4th line. Allen, Vlasic and Rinzel are 3-4-5 dmen. Dach is a solid 3rd line winger. Reichel is solid too. In 2024 there’s a lot of good UFA’s. Let’s say the Hawks sign Mathews, or even Aho? Add that to that group and all the sudden it looks much more promising. And or also adding in an Elias Lindholm or Elias Pettersen? Plus the Hawks would still have Seth Jones. This thing can be turned around fairly quickly if he wants too. Plus KD could make trades and pluck out good young talent like Ottawa did with Dcat. I just think there’s a lot of hope here. It’s gonna sting, but I’m looking forward to this, my advice is, buy in and watch something cool unfold!!! Again, this is a lot of wishful thinking and hoping. I don't say that critically as you are quite entitled to your optimism and enthusiasm. As for me, I don't have to buy in to watch what will unfold. I have very little faith that it will be productive of a Cup-contending team as there are way too many things that have to go right to have that happen and I doubt they will all occur for the Hawks. I will be watching it. I just hope I can find a few other games to watch to get some fun out of the sport again, like I did when the Avs eliminated the Bolts last year. |
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Post by Nikos on Oct 9, 2022 18:05:51 GMT -6
Nobody can predict the future, all you can ask for is a plan and approach that is fundamentally sound and sticking to it. So far, the early returns on the plan put forward by KD is encouraging. We all know the team will not be very good for a minimum of 2 or 3 years. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic and hopeful. Sure, you can have doubts along the way, and I am sure some decisions will be questioned. Luck plays into every successful team, so it is ok to hope for some. This guarantees no future success, but in my mind, it is exciting to see a team being built literally from the ground up. I believe this is what most here are most excited about and looking forward to.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 9, 2022 21:04:40 GMT -6
my reaction after a win this year: YAY !! F$*% !!
my reaction after a loss this year: F%*% !! YAY !!
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 9, 2022 22:56:03 GMT -6
Nobody can predict the future, all you can ask for is a plan and approach that is fundamentally sound and sticking to it. So far, the early returns on the plan put forward by KD is encouraging. We all know the team will not be very good for a minimum of 2 or 3 years. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic and hopeful. Sure, you can have doubts along the way, and I am sure some decisions will be questioned. Luck plays into every successful team, so it is ok to hope for some. This guarantees no future success, but in my mind, it is exciting to see a team being built literally from the ground up. I believe this is what most here are most excited about and looking forward to. Good post!!! As you say, there is no guarantee that the decisions made will work out, but one can expect that the decisions are sound ones. Whether they work or not is another issue. Some good decisions work out. Others don't. Luck does play a big role, which is why I have a hard time believing this will all work. Because besides making good decisions, a certain amount of unforeseen fortuitous events must also occur. Nevertheless, no matter how it all turns out, it will be interesting to watch. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 10, 2022 2:02:03 GMT -6
Nobody can predict the future, all you can ask for is a plan and approach that is fundamentally sound and sticking to it. So far, the early returns on the plan put forward by KD is encouraging. We all know the team will not be very good for a minimum of 2 or 3 years. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic and hopeful. Sure, you can have doubts along the way, and I am sure some decisions will be questioned. Luck plays into every successful team, so it is ok to hope for some. This guarantees no future success, but in my mind, it is exciting to see a team being built literally from the ground up. I believe this is what most here are most excited about and looking forward to.
Very well said sir.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 10, 2022 15:45:13 GMT -6
I will watch the opener against the Avs, but probably won't see much after that. What would help get me excited about this season would be to see Kane get traded to the Rangers and get to play with Panarin. I would immediately become a Rangers fan. However, I doubt that the Ranger have high enough draft picks to justify trading Kane there. There is no sense in taking any active NHL players from the Rangers because by the time the Hawks would have any youngsters ready to make such a player(s) useful to the team, his presence would be completely wasted.
In fact, the whole Kane scene is a puzzle to me as I can't see him going anywhere except to a good team, which I would not expect would have high enough draft picks to justify the Hawks trading to any such team. The teams with high draft picks to would find that having Kane would be a waste of talent. So, what to do with him? I will leave that to much smarter/more informed hockey minds than I am.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 10, 2022 22:44:18 GMT -6
I will watch the opener against the Avs, but probably won't see much after that. What would help get me excited about this season would be to see Kane get traded to the Rangers and get to play with Panarin. I would immediately become a Rangers fan. However, I doubt that the Ranger have high enough draft picks to justify trading Kane there. There is no sense in taking any active NHL players from the Rangers because by the time the Hawks would have any youngsters ready to make such a player(s) useful to the team, his presence would be completely wasted. In fact, the whole Kane scene is a puzzle to me as I can't see him going anywhere except to a good team, which I would not expect would have high enough draft picks to justify the Hawks trading to any such team. The teams with high draft picks to would find that having Kane would be a waste of talent. So, what to do with him? I will leave that to much smarter/more informed hockey minds than I am. I'll be watching to see how Vlasic and Regula play under Lukes new system and see if guys like Entwistle, Reese Johnson, Kurashev, and Raddysh look they're part of the rebuild. As far as Kane, I was hoping he wanted to be traded in the offseason but maybe reality is hitting him and he'll want out soon. The Rangers had Lafreniere on the trade block last season but after the playoffs I doubt they're trading him, I'd ask for Kakko and some picks, no they won't be high picks but this is a deep draft so the more the better. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 11, 2022 10:59:04 GMT -6
I will watch the opener against the Avs, but probably won't see much after that. What would help get me excited about this season would be to see Kane get traded to the Rangers and get to play with Panarin. I would immediately become a Rangers fan. However, I doubt that the Ranger have high enough draft picks to justify trading Kane there. There is no sense in taking any active NHL players from the Rangers because by the time the Hawks would have any youngsters ready to make such a player(s) useful to the team, his presence would be completely wasted. In fact, the whole Kane scene is a puzzle to me as I can't see him going anywhere except to a good team, which I would not expect would have high enough draft picks to justify the Hawks trading to any such team. The teams with high draft picks to would find that having Kane would be a waste of talent. So, what to do with him? I will leave that to much smarter/more informed hockey minds than I am. I'll be watching to see how Vlasic and Regula play under Lukes new system and see if guys like Entwistle, Reese Johnson, Kurashev, and Raddysh look they're part of the rebuild. As far as Kane, I was hoping he wanted to be traded in the offseason but maybe reality is hitting him and he'll want out soon. The Rangers had Lafreniere on the trade block last season but after the playoffs I doubt they're trading him, I'd ask for Kakko and some picks, no they won't be high picks but this is a deep draft so the more the better. Trading Kane for mid-level draft picks would pretty much mean that the last 5 years of his career has been a total waste for the Hawks, except to continue to prove what a great individual player he is. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2022 12:12:11 GMT -6
I'll be watching to see how Vlasic and Regula play under Lukes new system and see if guys like Entwistle, Reese Johnson, Kurashev, and Raddysh look they're part of the rebuild. As far as Kane, I was hoping he wanted to be traded in the offseason but maybe reality is hitting him and he'll want out soon. The Rangers had Lafreniere on the trade block last season but after the playoffs I doubt they're trading him, I'd ask for Kakko and some picks, no they won't be high picks but this is a deep draft so the more the better. Trading Kane for mid-level draft picks would pretty much mean that the last 5 years of his career has been a total waste for the Hawks, except to continue to prove what a great individual player he is. Not if you consider keeping asses in seats and selling very expensive jerseys.......he's probably a good RTOI as far as $$$ in the Wirtz's deep pockets. As far as his excellent play on a bad team......at least he's entertained us the last five years jack.......and we'll MISS that! Any 1st in next year's draft is a 'get' IMO and we might not see better than a B grade prospect included but some of them work too because teams don't know what'll take to extend Kane but the cap will go up. Does Kane fit well enough with the team he's moved to and sign reasonably or does he want bank on his last deal as an UFA after seeing the $$$ being thrown around lately? Does he even waive? Remember the 'trade D-Cat and piss Kane off enough to leave mantra'? Is he pissed-off enough to stay till the end now? |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 11, 2022 16:37:04 GMT -6
Trading Kane for mid-level draft picks would pretty much mean that the last 5 years of his career has been a total waste for the Hawks, except to continue to prove what a great individual player he is. Not if you consider keeping asses in seats and selling very expensive jerseys.......he's probably a good RTOI as far as $$$ in the Wirtz's deep pockets. As far as his excellent play on a bad team......at least he's entertained us the last five years jack.......and we'll MISS that! Any 1st in next year's draft is a 'get' IMO and we might not see better than a B grade prospect included but some of them work too because teams don't know what'll take to extend Kane but the cap will go up. Does Kane fit well enough with the team he's moved to and sign reasonably or does he want bank on his last deal as an UFA after seeing the $$$ being thrown around lately? Does he even waive? Remember the 'trade D-Cat and piss Kane off enough to leave mantra'? Is he pissed-off enough to stay till the end now? You are right that he might have been a good financial return for the Hawks, but, ultimately, even tho a great player, it did not benefit the team much in the standings. But, that isn't his fault. This is a team game after all. You are also correct about teams not being willing to "overpay" for Kane because they don't know if he will want to stick around and how much money it will take to get him to do that. Personally, if I were Kane, I would go with some team, if one that I liked and had a reasonable chance of winning the Cup. He can always go UFA after finishing out the year with his new team just as easy as he can go UFA after he would finish with the Hawks. So, why not take a chance on winning another Cup? The Hawks would be crazy to not take whatever they could get for him by a trade. That would be much better than letting him stay until the end with no return. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 11, 2022 16:58:39 GMT -6
I would have to think KD would like exactly that - Kane to ask to go to a team with some chance at the cup and Hawks could get pick(s) in return. I admit I am naive as how some of these conversations get started but presumably Kane knows his options so not sure KD would approach him for fear word gets out that he’s trying to dump 88. So sounds like it’s a waiting game to see how long PK can stand losing games before he asks for a trade. And maybe because of his girlfriend and child and even other reasons this is not a simple decision.
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 11, 2022 17:24:04 GMT -6
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 11, 2022 18:15:42 GMT -6
I would have to think KD would like exactly that - Kane to ask to go to a team with some chance at the cup and Hawks could get pick(s) in return. I admit I am naive as how some of these conversations get started but presumably Kane knows his options so not sure KD would approach him for fear word gets out that he’s trying to dump 88. So sounds like it’s a waiting game to see how long PK can stand losing games before he asks for a trade. And maybe because of his girlfriend and child and even other reasons this is not a simple decision. I would think Kane is savvy enough to know that the Hawks would like to get something for him on his way out; and that he would not take exploring that as some sort of insult. That is, unless he hates the Hawks for some reason and would like to cut off his nose to spite his face as they say. It is truly hard for me to believe that he would pass up a chance to go to a serious Cup contender and get the Hawks some return, rather than stay in Chicago all year for some sort of revenge. The former event is a win-win for him and the organization. One would think he would be excited about playing meaningful hockey again. |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 11, 2022 18:24:30 GMT -6
Hey now, you trying to take credit for the slogan I came up with for this season? 😆 How about: the winter of our discontent? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 13, 2022 14:38:27 GMT -6
I would have to think KD would like exactly that - Kane to ask to go to a team with some chance at the cup and Hawks could get pick(s) in return. I admit I am naive as how some of these conversations get started but presumably Kane knows his options so not sure KD would approach him for fear word gets out that he’s trying to dump 88. So sounds like it’s a waiting game to see how long PK can stand losing games before he asks for a trade. And maybe because of his girlfriend and child and even other reasons this is not a simple decision. I would think Kane is savvy enough to know that the Hawks would like to get something for him on his way out; and that he would not take exploring that as some sort of insult. That is, unless he hates the Hawks for some reason and would like to cut off his nose to spite his face as they say. It is truly hard for me to believe that he would pass up a chance to go to a serious Cup contender and get the Hawks some return, rather than stay in Chicago all year for some sort of revenge. The former event is a win-win for him and the organization. One would think he would be excited about playing meaningful hockey again. With respect to Kane: If he wants out, all he has to do is waive. In my opinion I think he's earned it. He should bring back something good in return. I think he's also realistically within striking distance of some of Stan Mikita's records. He might want to stay in Chicago and cement his legacy here. The 'hawks can certainly do a lot worse than having him as an elder skatesman through the rebuild, so if he wants to stay I think as long as it doesn't affect the rebuild cap-wise (which he shouldn't unless he's looking for McJesus money), or he's keeping a better player off the roster. I also don't see that as a problem. I would rather have something in return but I could live with that outcome. Bedard/Fantilli/etc., Reichel, Nazar, etc. would benefit from having him around much like he benefitted from Lapointe. The worst outcome would be if he doesn't waive, and then signs elsewhere as a UFA and we get nothing for him. I'd like to think if he does that--walks as a UFA, that someone in the upper brass pissed him the hell off bigtime. I hope it doesn't come down to that; where we lose him for nothing. Ideally he waives and we trade him out for something. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 13, 2022 14:38:52 GMT -6
Hey now, you trying to take credit for the slogan I came up with for this season? 😆 How about: the winter of our discontent? I think it's more "The winter of our discount tent."  |
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 26, 2022 17:08:49 GMT -6
my reaction after a win this year: YAY !! F$*% !!my reaction after a loss this year: F%*% !! YAY !!"Most peculiar, Mama"
-John Lennon
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