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Post by B-A-Hawk on Oct 29, 2022 19:36:28 GMT -6
Teows ?
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Post by phill9 on Oct 29, 2022 19:36:31 GMT -6
Come on Johnny. Terrible penalty, especially this late in the game
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Post by phill9 on Oct 29, 2022 19:38:52 GMT -6
There's the OT
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Post by phill9 on Oct 29, 2022 19:42:09 GMT -6
Soderblom deserved better. Got to be one of 3 stars
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 29, 2022 19:42:09 GMT -6
Yeah...that was going in.
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Post by tincup on Oct 29, 2022 19:42:43 GMT -6
Arvid deserved better.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Oct 29, 2022 19:42:56 GMT -6
gave that one away
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Post by tincup on Oct 29, 2022 19:45:56 GMT -6
At least the Rockford box is worth looking at tonight.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 19:55:18 GMT -6
73% at the dot, outhit the sabres 11-7, outblocked the sabres 23-12 and just 4 giveaways tonight.
jonny 13 of 18 domi 12 of 14 dickinson 5 of 7 lafferty 4 of 6
kane's 20:03 led the fwds, katchouk 9:40 the least. seth 24:08 down to jack johnson's 15:58. seth and mccabe 6 blocked shots each.
3 stars all sabres.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 19:57:41 GMT -6
At least the Rockford box is worth looking at tonight. wow. it's been a while since i've seen numbers like that coming from the hogs. and still 3 minutes left in the 2nd.
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Post by tincup on Oct 29, 2022 19:59:26 GMT -6
73% at the dot, outhit the sabres 11-7, outblocked the sabres 23-12 and just 4 giveaways tonight. jonny 13 of 18 domi 12 of 14 dickinson 5 of 7 lafferty 4 of 6 kane's 20:03 led the fwds, katchouk 9:40 the least. seth 24:08 down to jack johnson's 15:58. seth and mccabe 6 blocked shots each. 3 stars all sabres. Hard to believe the gva stat. They were very generous tonight. Sabres also had something like 74 shot attempts.
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 29, 2022 20:27:42 GMT -6
Kaner needs to showcase himself here so we can trade him to the Sabres. That is one possibility. I think he should go to NY Rangers or Ottawa to play with his old linemates. Rangers have a better shot at the cup.
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 29, 2022 20:31:57 GMT -6
Is this a Toews thing now? Do something dumb with a minute to go? Maybe they draw straws for the honor.
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Post by tincup on Oct 29, 2022 21:21:08 GMT -6
From the SecondCity site... The Toews’ penalty which led to the GWG is unacceptable, but his line with Raddysh and Philipp Kurashev was Chicago’s best. It had advantages of 9-2 in shot attempts, 8-2 in shots on goal, 6-1 in scoring chances, 4-1 in high-danger chances and scored one goal without allowing one. It also started in the offensive zone just 37.5 percent of the time, so it’s not like the minutes were sheltered. More of that line, please. Don't touch that line for now.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 29, 2022 22:49:07 GMT -6
Well another lead gave away structure seems to sliding by the wayside. They are playing hard for each other but not real well 40 bailed them out in 1st. Coming in to their year 23 needed to show he was strong on his skates offensively and defensively so far this year that is mission accomplished he looks NHL strong on his skates. Sounds like Luke is a fan of C Jones his risk reward is off the charts. I can’t believe those giveaway numbers just 4 ? Hopefully some film work tomorrow if they don’t tighten up Wild will run them out of the building.
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Post by Tater on Oct 30, 2022 2:19:56 GMT -6
Well another lead gave away structure seems to sliding by the wayside. They are playing hard for each other but not real well 40 bailed them out in 1st. Coming in to their year 23 needed to show he was strong on his skates offensively and defensively so far this year that is mission accomplished he looks NHL strong on his skates. Sounds like Luke is a fan of C Jones his risk reward is off the charts. I can’t believe those giveaway numbers just 4 ? Hopefully some film work tomorrow if they don’t tighten up Wild will run them out of the building. Yeah, that is pretty generous. It seemed like a lot more than that. Maybe just due to the sloppy play. I saw a lot of lazy looking passes, zone clearing and dumps tonight.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 30, 2022 9:34:12 GMT -6
Maybe Toews is the tank Commander. Well thank God somebody remembers the team's announced plans and goals.....unles they've changed. As critical as I've been the last few years,I was ready to accept the losses this year W/O criticizing the new FO or HC because I understood and came to grips with the plan,even after losing a few of my favorite young players. I struggle to see why knowledgeable fans who know the importance of next summer's draft are troubled by losses. Chatted with a cousin and a good friend the last few days who are big sports fans but haven't followed the Hawks as closely as I have the last few years,one asked me "why they'd trade D-Cat and move a few other of their better players if they were finally gonna bring in a good HC and some solid role players? ". All I can say is,I didn't expect the later. The other asked me "where are all the kids we heard about?" I explained the team would no longer rush teenagers into the league like DUMBASS did......."what about the rest of em?" Down in Rockford while hungry veterans do everything they can to extend or better their careers is my only response. "WHY?".........."I duuno". KD's a smart guy and he had to know LR planned to win every God dammed game he could once he stepped behind the bench,why bring in players who give him a chance to do so? The current 4-3-1 record which puts the team 2 points out of 1st w/a game in hand could easily be 6-2-0 or should be 5-2-1 w/o the 2 late goals against and 1 reg loss was 1-0 in LV,one other came in the cup winner's barn. I know many things will change as the year progresses but even with these last two crushing losses,there are currently NINETEEN teams with a worse point% and I bet at least half of em intend to stay there. LR and his veteran team could possibly have a respectable/mid-pack/no man's land,type record come TDL time w/o that many games left to lose at that point once better players are moved.....then what? At that point,Hawk fans will have seen go for it/rebuild-youth movement/go for it/rebuild-blow it up/veteran,well coached team busting their asses/blow er up again and that's just since the summer of '19' after already suffering through a few dismal seasons. Moving everything that ain't nailed down at the TDL WILL result in a real nice haul BUT if that 'haul' doesn't include one of the top young players coming out next year because a veteran team and a good HC overachieved.......it'll be a big setback IMO. Danny and Jaime might be playing with fire here and I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again......I hope I'm wrong!
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 30, 2022 11:23:57 GMT -6
Maybe Toews is the tank Commander. Well thank God somebody remembers the team's announced plans and goals.....unles they've changed. As critical as I've been the last few years,I was ready to accept the losses this year W/O criticizing the new FO or HC because I understood and came to grips with the plan,even after losing a few of my favorite young players. I struggle to see why knowledgeable fans who know the importance of next summer's draft are troubled by losses. Chatted with a cousin and a good friend the last few days who are big sports fans but haven't followed the Hawks as closely as I have the last few years,one asked me "why they'd trade D-Cat and move a few other of their better players if they were finally gonna bring in a good HC and some solid role players? ". All I can say is,I didn't expect the later. The other asked me "where are all the kids we heard about?" I explained the team would no longer rush teenagers into the league like DUMBASS did......."what about the rest of em?" Down in Rockford while hungry veterans do everything they can to extend or better their careers is my only response. "WHY?".........."I duuno". KD's a smart guy and he had to know LR planned to win every God dammed game he could once he stepped behind the bench,why bring in players who give him a chance to do so? The current 4-3-1 record which puts the team 2 points out of 1st w/a game in hand could easily be 6-2-0 or should be 5-2-1 w/o the 2 late goals against and 1 reg loss was 1-0 in LV,one other came in the cup winner's barn. I know many things will change as the year progresses but even with these last two crushing losses,there are currently NINETEEN teams with a worse point% and I bet at least half of em intend to stay there. LR and his veteran team could possibly have a respectable/mid-pack/no man's land,type record come TDL time w/o that many games left to lose at that point once better players are moved.....then what? At that point,Hawk fans will have seen go for it/rebuild-youth movement/go for it/rebuild-blow it up/veteran,well coached team busting their asses/blow er up again and that's just since the summer of '19' after already suffering through a few dismal seasons. Moving everything that ain't nailed down at the TDL WILL result in a real nice haul BUT if that 'haul' doesn't include one of the top young players coming out next year because a veteran team and a good HC overachieved.......it'll be a big setback IMO. Danny and Jaime might be playing with fire here and I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again......I hope I'm wrong! I didn't mean much more from it other that Toews being involved in the play that nets us the loss in 2 straight. I still think the plan moving forward has to be to not improve the team until the draft next year. 9n the other hand, though, I would have loved Richardson as opposed to Colliton and even Q's swan song years sincg the team seems to be doing a lot right in terms of fundamentals. Even in the latter Q years we wouldn't see Kane or Toews crash the net often for greasy goals. I think that is a good thing moving forward. We look like a team again; we just don't have the critical mass of talent to be successful. Another observation: since I got back from vacation, we've lost because I am able to watch...maybe I need to keep watching ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) .
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 30, 2022 11:52:26 GMT -6
Maybe Toews is the tank Commander. Well thank God somebody remembers the team's announced plans and goals.....unles they've changed. As critical as I've been the last few years,I was ready to accept the losses this year W/O criticizing the new FO or HC because I understood and came to grips with the plan,even after losing a few of my favorite young players. I struggle to see why knowledgeable fans who know the importance of next summer's draft are troubled by losses. Chatted with a cousin and a good friend the last few days who are big sports fans but haven't followed the Hawks as closely as I have the last few years,one asked me "why they'd trade D-Cat and move a few other of their better players if they were finally gonna bring in a good HC and some solid role players? ". All I can say is,I didn't expect the later. The other asked me "where are all the kids we heard about?" I explained the team would no longer rush teenagers into the league like DUMBASS did......."what about the rest of em?" Down in Rockford while hungry veterans do everything they can to extend or better their careers is my only response. "WHY?".........."I duuno". KD's a smart guy and he had to know LR planned to win every God dammed game he could once he stepped behind the bench,why bring in players who give him a chance to do so? The current 4-3-1 record which puts the team 2 points out of 1st w/a game in hand could easily be 6-2-0 or should be 5-2-1 w/o the 2 late goals against and 1 reg loss was 1-0 in LV,one other came in the cup winner's barn. I know many things will change as the year progresses but even with these last two crushing losses,there are currently NINETEEN teams with a worse point% and I bet at least half of em intend to stay there. LR and his veteran team could possibly have a respectable/mid-pack/no man's land,type record come TDL time w/o that many games left to lose at that point once better players are moved.....then what? At that point,Hawk fans will have seen go for it/rebuild-youth movement/go for it/rebuild-blow it up/veteran,well coached team busting their asses/blow er up again and that's just since the summer of '19' after already suffering through a few dismal seasons. Moving everything that ain't nailed down at the TDL WILL result in a real nice haul BUT if that 'haul' doesn't include one of the top young players coming out next year because a veteran team and a good HC overachieved.......it'll be a big setback IMO. Danny and Jaime might be playing with fire here and I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again......I hope I'm wrong! OK, so it would appear that it is near impossible to actually engineer a tank when the natural inclinations of a coach and players is to try to win. It really is inane to expect them to try to lose for the sake of getting the best shot at a draft pick. But, it is also true that the team as currently built will not amount to much this year and is likely to miss the playoffs anyway, so nothing will be gained by not tanking. They will end up somewhere in the middle of the pack and get some kind of draft pick and end up with a team that is destined for mediocrity for years to come. They will keep finishing in the middle of the pack and perpetually not be Cup relevant. Or, there will be some improvement with some future free agents, past picks and picks from Kane and Toews, if they trade them correctly. They then will at least have a shot at improving enough to be Cup relevant. That may be the tougher route, but if one cannot get the current coach/players to commit to finishing last there is nothing else that can be done. Besides, there is no guarantee that Bedard is the next McDavid.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 30, 2022 20:48:53 GMT -6
Well thank God somebody remembers the team's announced plans and goals.....unles they've changed. As critical as I've been the last few years,I was ready to accept the losses this year W/O criticizing the new FO or HC because I understood and came to grips with the plan,even after losing a few of my favorite young players. I struggle to see why knowledgeable fans who know the importance of next summer's draft are troubled by losses. Chatted with a cousin and a good friend the last few days who are big sports fans but haven't followed the Hawks as closely as I have the last few years,one asked me "why they'd trade D-Cat and move a few other of their better players if they were finally gonna bring in a good HC and some solid role players? ". All I can say is,I didn't expect the later. The other asked me "where are all the kids we heard about?" I explained the team would no longer rush teenagers into the league like DUMBASS did......."what about the rest of em?" Down in Rockford while hungry veterans do everything they can to extend or better their careers is my only response. "WHY?".........."I duuno". KD's a smart guy and he had to know LR planned to win every God dammed game he could once he stepped behind the bench,why bring in players who give him a chance to do so? The current 4-3-1 record which puts the team 2 points out of 1st w/a game in hand could easily be 6-2-0 or should be 5-2-1 w/o the 2 late goals against and 1 reg loss was 1-0 in LV,one other came in the cup winner's barn. I know many things will change as the year progresses but even with these last two crushing losses,there are currently NINETEEN teams with a worse point% and I bet at least half of em intend to stay there. LR and his veteran team could possibly have a respectable/mid-pack/no man's land,type record come TDL time w/o that many games left to lose at that point once better players are moved.....then what? At that point,Hawk fans will have seen go for it/rebuild-youth movement/go for it/rebuild-blow it up/veteran,well coached team busting their asses/blow er up again and that's just since the summer of '19' after already suffering through a few dismal seasons. Moving everything that ain't nailed down at the TDL WILL result in a real nice haul BUT if that 'haul' doesn't include one of the top young players coming out next year because a veteran team and a good HC overachieved.......it'll be a big setback IMO. Danny and Jaime might be playing with fire here and I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again......I hope I'm wrong! I didn't mean much more from it other that Toews being involved in the play that nets us the loss in 2 straight. I still think the plan moving forward has to be to not improve the team until the draft next year. 9n the other hand, though, I would have loved Richardson as opposed to Colliton and even Q's swan song years sincg the team seems to be doing a lot right in terms of fundamentals. Even in the latter Q years we wouldn't see Kane or Toews crash the net often for greasy goals. I think that is a good thing moving forward. We look like a team again; we just don't have the critical mass of talent to be successful. Another observation: since I got back from vacation, we've lost because I am able to watch...maybe I need to keep watching ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . Q comparisons after nine games as an NHL HC........beautiful! Yeah,Q realy had loaded rosters during his 'swan song' years(swan song for the wrong guy)and just think if Kane and Toews were utilized properly........they coulda been somebody!LOFL! Kane's always been a perimeter player and he remains so and Johnny's always gone to the net. Dam shame they'll only be room for one hero from the cup years........everybody genuflect on November 20th.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 30, 2022 22:09:41 GMT -6
Well thank God somebody remembers the team's announced plans and goals.....unles they've changed. As critical as I've been the last few years,I was ready to accept the losses this year W/O criticizing the new FO or HC because I understood and came to grips with the plan,even after losing a few of my favorite young players. I struggle to see why knowledgeable fans who know the importance of next summer's draft are troubled by losses. Chatted with a cousin and a good friend the last few days who are big sports fans but haven't followed the Hawks as closely as I have the last few years,one asked me "why they'd trade D-Cat and move a few other of their better players if they were finally gonna bring in a good HC and some solid role players? ". All I can say is,I didn't expect the later. The other asked me "where are all the kids we heard about?" I explained the team would no longer rush teenagers into the league like DUMBASS did......."what about the rest of em?" Down in Rockford while hungry veterans do everything they can to extend or better their careers is my only response. "WHY?".........."I duuno". KD's a smart guy and he had to know LR planned to win every God dammed game he could once he stepped behind the bench,why bring in players who give him a chance to do so? The current 4-3-1 record which puts the team 2 points out of 1st w/a game in hand could easily be 6-2-0 or should be 5-2-1 w/o the 2 late goals against and 1 reg loss was 1-0 in LV,one other came in the cup winner's barn. I know many things will change as the year progresses but even with these last two crushing losses,there are currently NINETEEN teams with a worse point% and I bet at least half of em intend to stay there. LR and his veteran team could possibly have a respectable/mid-pack/no man's land,type record come TDL time w/o that many games left to lose at that point once better players are moved.....then what? At that point,Hawk fans will have seen go for it/rebuild-youth movement/go for it/rebuild-blow it up/veteran,well coached team busting their asses/blow er up again and that's just since the summer of '19' after already suffering through a few dismal seasons. Moving everything that ain't nailed down at the TDL WILL result in a real nice haul BUT if that 'haul' doesn't include one of the top young players coming out next year because a veteran team and a good HC overachieved.......it'll be a big setback IMO. Danny and Jaime might be playing with fire here and I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again......I hope I'm wrong! I didn't mean much more from it other that Toews being involved in the play that nets us the loss in 2 straight. I still think the plan moving forward has to be to not improve the team until the draft next year. 9n the other hand, though, I would have loved Richardson as opposed to Colliton and even Q's swan song years sincg the team seems to be doing a lot right in terms of fundamentals. Even in the latter Q years we wouldn't see Kane or Toews crash the net often for greasy goals. I think that is a good thing moving forward. We look like a team again; we just don't have the critical mass of talent to be successful. Another observation: since I got back from vacation, we've lost because I am able to watch...maybe I need to keep watching ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . Lord don’t think I have not noticed time to take out your power for a week
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 31, 2022 12:37:56 GMT -6
I didn't mean much more from it other that Toews being involved in the play that nets us the loss in 2 straight. I still think the plan moving forward has to be to not improve the team until the draft next year. 9n the other hand, though, I would have loved Richardson as opposed to Colliton and even Q's swan song years sincg the team seems to be doing a lot right in terms of fundamentals. Even in the latter Q years we wouldn't see Kane or Toews crash the net often for greasy goals. I think that is a good thing moving forward. We look like a team again; we just don't have the critical mass of talent to be successful. Another observation: since I got back from vacation, we've lost because I am able to watch...maybe I need to keep watching ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . Q comparisons after nine games as an NHL HC........beautiful! Yeah,Q realy had loaded rosters during his 'swan song' years(swan song for the wrong guy)and just think if Kane and Toews were utilized properly........they coulda been somebody!LOFL! Kane's always been a perimeter player and he remains so and Johnny's always gone to the net. Dam shame they'll only be room for one hero from the cup years........everybody genuflect on November 20th. All coaches have an expiration date. Q was no exception--neither was Scotty Bowman. Just because he didn't get a lot out of the team in his waning years as the Blackhawk's coach doesn't negate everything he did for the teams through the bulk of his tenure. Coaches are hired to be fired. But, you are correct, LR might have the team playing the right way now, but let's see how they keep it up over the season and beyond. But the team has looked more cohesive than it has since ~March 2017 in my eyes. We may not have had the talent that a lot of those squads between late 2017 and last season, but the fundamental gameplay is there. Even if we don't havbe the talent that is a net positive--especially comparing to how JC played the roster.
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 31, 2022 12:38:17 GMT -6
I didn't mean much more from it other that Toews being involved in the play that nets us the loss in 2 straight. I still think the plan moving forward has to be to not improve the team until the draft next year. 9n the other hand, though, I would have loved Richardson as opposed to Colliton and even Q's swan song years sincg the team seems to be doing a lot right in terms of fundamentals. Even in the latter Q years we wouldn't see Kane or Toews crash the net often for greasy goals. I think that is a good thing moving forward. We look like a team again; we just don't have the critical mass of talent to be successful. Another observation: since I got back from vacation, we've lost because I am able to watch...maybe I need to keep watching ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . Lord don’t think I have not noticed time to take out your power for a week Que?
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Post by hsbob on Nov 1, 2022 8:17:06 GMT -6
Q comparisons after nine games as an NHL HC........beautiful! Yeah,Q realy had loaded rosters during his 'swan song' years(swan song for the wrong guy)and just think if Kane and Toews were utilized properly........they coulda been somebody!LOFL! Kane's always been a perimeter player and he remains so and Johnny's always gone to the net. Dam shame they'll only be room for one hero from the cup years........everybody genuflect on November 20th. All coaches have an expiration date. Q was no exception--neither was Scotty Bowman. Just because he didn't get a lot out of the team in his waning years as the Blackhawk's coach doesn't negate everything he did for the teams through the bulk of his tenure. Coaches are hired to be fired. But, you are correct, LR might have the team playing the right way now, but let's see how they keep it up over the season and beyond. But the team has looked more cohesive than it has since ~March 2017 in my eyes. We may not have had the talent that a lot of those squads between late 2017 and last season, but the fundamental gameplay is there. Even if we don't havbe the talent that is a net positive--especially comparing to how JC played the roster. There's been no exceptions and I realize that,they've ALL been fired. Can't deny the roster deterioration through bad trades and failed early round picks in Q's last few years though and I get the 'fresh voice' incase a team has 'tuned their coach out' but did the team improve with a 'new voice'? Keith and Seabs wore out,Big Hoss retired,Hammer was traded and CC missed long stretches with two concussions........the team needed a LOT more than a 'new voice' at that point IMO. NONE of those players were adequately replaced. I like LR and I think he'll continue to get the most out of his guys,I like NOT seeing D-men chase forwards out to the blue-line and collapsing on and protecting 'the house' with some snarl. I also like how he still allows D-men to active offensively as well and the vigorous fore-check and back-checking. I just think it's a bit early to say he coulda got more from a squad than a guy like Q coulda.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 1, 2022 8:44:40 GMT -6
All coaches have an expiration date. Q was no exception--neither was Scotty Bowman. Just because he didn't get a lot out of the team in his waning years as the Blackhawk's coach doesn't negate everything he did for the teams through the bulk of his tenure. Coaches are hired to be fired. But, you are correct, LR might have the team playing the right way now, but let's see how they keep it up over the season and beyond. But the team has looked more cohesive than it has since ~March 2017 in my eyes. We may not have had the talent that a lot of those squads between late 2017 and last season, but the fundamental gameplay is there. Even if we don't havbe the talent that is a net positive--especially comparing to how JC played the roster. There's been no exceptions and I realize that,they've ALL been fired. Can't deny the roster deterioration through bad trades and failed early round picks in Q's last few years though and I get the 'fresh voice' incase a team has 'tuned their coach out' but did the team improve with a 'new voice'? Keith and Seabs wore out,Big Hoss retired,Hammer was traded and CC missed long stretches with two concussions........the team needed a LOT more than a 'new voice' at that point IMO. NONE of those players were adequately replaced. I like LR and I think he'll continue to get the most out of his guys,I like NOT seeing D-men chase forwards out to the blue-line and collapsing on and protecting 'the house' with some snarl. I also like how he still allows D-men to active offensively as well and the vigorous fore-check and back-checking. I just think it's a bit early to say he coulda got more from a squad than a guy like Q coulda. I agree, roster deterioration was going to happen, but I think that the way the 'hawks went out on 2017 and how they played in 2018 was the evidence that Q went stale. That's not a knock on him; it happens. I've made my stance well-known, after embarrassing themselves at the end of 2017 and how they played in 2018 should have been enough to let both Q and Stan go in the 2018 offseason. Losing Crawford was no excuse--his 2017/2018 play just masked the issues. It would have been far better to clean house then, in the offseason, than try to do it in situ in 2018/2019 like the 'hawks did. And let's be real, the reason why we didn't even replace any of those players with a pale comparison was how Stan ran things. He was not girding up for the rebuild like KD has been; he was trying to get one more win for the aging core and spending way too much on sub-par pieces. Did they improve? Of course not. That's where larger things come into play. The power struggle between Stan and Q was self-evident, and we saw how things progressed with JC at the helm. I think the style KD/LR are pushing out right now is vastly superior to what Stan/JC did. If we hold true that Q got stale, KD/LR's take on the game would have been far better over the intervening 4 seasons than JC/Stan's was. Even if we didn't have the talent, and we don't, I'm seeing fundamental play being an order of magnitude better than JC's reign, and King's reign. They're playing like a team and not like 19 individuals. There is a plan in place. Given the years that Toews and Keith had in 2019, I think the 'hawks would have fared much better than year with LR/KD at the helm than JC/Stan. Right now I see this team without the critical mass of talent to be able to execute well, but the fundamentals and game plan are there--and I hope they continue. I think that is much better for the rebuild than what JC/Stan would have done. There's a metric shit-tonne of work yet to be done, but seeing the difference in how the team is playing is a glimmer of hope that the 'hawks should be competitors again--and hopefully not having to wait 49 years! I could be wrong, but it appears as if the foundation is good.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 1, 2022 10:34:10 GMT -6
There's been no exceptions and I realize that,they've ALL been fired. Can't deny the roster deterioration through bad trades and failed early round picks in Q's last few years though and I get the 'fresh voice' incase a team has 'tuned their coach out' but did the team improve with a 'new voice'? Keith and Seabs wore out,Big Hoss retired,Hammer was traded and CC missed long stretches with two concussions........the team needed a LOT more than a 'new voice' at that point IMO. NONE of those players were adequately replaced. I like LR and I think he'll continue to get the most out of his guys,I like NOT seeing D-men chase forwards out to the blue-line and collapsing on and protecting 'the house' with some snarl. I also like how he still allows D-men to active offensively as well and the vigorous fore-check and back-checking. I just think it's a bit early to say he coulda got more from a squad than a guy like Q coulda. I agree, roster deterioration was going to happen, but I think that the way the 'hawks went out on 2017 and how they played in 2018 was the evidence that Q went stale. That's not a knock on him; it happens. I've made my stance well-known, after embarrassing themselves at the end of 2017 and how they played in 2018 should have been enough to let both Q and Stan go in the 2018 offseason. Losing Crawford was no excuse--his 2017/2018 play just masked the issues. It would have been far better to clean house then, in the offseason, than try to do it in situ in 2018/2019 like the 'hawks did. And let's be real, the reason why we didn't even replace any of those players with a pale comparison was how Stan ran things. He was not girding up for the rebuild like KD has been; he was trying to get one more win for the aging core and spending way too much on sub-par pieces. Did they improve? Of course not. That's where larger things come into play. The power struggle between Stan and Q was self-evident, and we saw how things progressed with JC at the helm. I think the style KD/LR are pushing out right now is vastly superior to what Stan/JC did. If we hold true that Q got stale, KD/LR's take on the game would have been far better over the intervening 4 seasons than JC/Stan's was. Even if we didn't have the talent, and we don't, I'm seeing fundamental play being an order of magnitude better than JC's reign, and King's reign. They're playing like a team and not like 19 individuals. There is a plan in place. Given the years that Toews and Keith had in 2019, I think the 'hawks would have fared much better than year with LR/KD at the helm than JC/Stan. Right now I see this team without the critical mass of talent to be able to execute well, but the fundamentals and game plan are there--and I hope they continue. I think that is much better for the rebuild than what JC/Stan would have done. There's a metric shit-tonne of work yet to be done, but seeing the difference in how the team is playing is a glimmer of hope that the 'hawks should be competitors again--and hopefully not having to wait 49 years! I could be wrong, but it appears as if the foundation is good. Did the Lightning embarrassing themselves to a much greater degree in 2019's 1st round reflect on Cooper whatsoever? At least the Hawks were worn down from winning a bunch of cups at that point and the Preds did go onto the SCF......the BJ's went out in 6 the following round in '19'. '17-18' saw a team in PO position before CC went down and for some reason Bouma and Haydon(2/3 of an effective 4th line) also went to Rockford around the same time along with Franson and who replaced CC again? Was CC masking a weak lineup? Of course he was,he was carrying the team which makes his unreplaced loss impossible to overcome. KD/LR look to be a big improvement on DUMBASS/Potter/King and that's the comparison you should be making,low bar or not........suggesting LR or any HC with 9 NHL games under his belt would have done a better job than Q did with any team he's ever coached is preposterous!
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 1, 2022 15:48:59 GMT -6
I agree, roster deterioration was going to happen, but I think that the way the 'hawks went out on 2017 and how they played in 2018 was the evidence that Q went stale. That's not a knock on him; it happens. I've made my stance well-known, after embarrassing themselves at the end of 2017 and how they played in 2018 should have been enough to let both Q and Stan go in the 2018 offseason. Losing Crawford was no excuse--his 2017/2018 play just masked the issues. It would have been far better to clean house then, in the offseason, than try to do it in situ in 2018/2019 like the 'hawks did. And let's be real, the reason why we didn't even replace any of those players with a pale comparison was how Stan ran things. He was not girding up for the rebuild like KD has been; he was trying to get one more win for the aging core and spending way too much on sub-par pieces. Did they improve? Of course not. That's where larger things come into play. The power struggle between Stan and Q was self-evident, and we saw how things progressed with JC at the helm. I think the style KD/LR are pushing out right now is vastly superior to what Stan/JC did. If we hold true that Q got stale, KD/LR's take on the game would have been far better over the intervening 4 seasons than JC/Stan's was. Even if we didn't have the talent, and we don't, I'm seeing fundamental play being an order of magnitude better than JC's reign, and King's reign. They're playing like a team and not like 19 individuals. There is a plan in place. Given the years that Toews and Keith had in 2019, I think the 'hawks would have fared much better than year with LR/KD at the helm than JC/Stan. Right now I see this team without the critical mass of talent to be able to execute well, but the fundamentals and game plan are there--and I hope they continue. I think that is much better for the rebuild than what JC/Stan would have done. There's a metric shit-tonne of work yet to be done, but seeing the difference in how the team is playing is a glimmer of hope that the 'hawks should be competitors again--and hopefully not having to wait 49 years! I could be wrong, but it appears as if the foundation is good. Did the Lightning embarrassing themselves to a much greater degree in 2019's 1st round reflect on Cooper whatsoever? At least the Hawks were worn down from winning a bunch of cups at that point and the Preds did go onto the SCF......the BJ's went out in 6 the following round in '19'. '17-18' saw a team in PO position before CC went down and for some reason Bouma and Haydon(2/3 of an effective 4th line) also went to Rockford around the same time along with Franson and who replaced CC again? Was CC masking a weak lineup? Of course he was,he was carrying the team which makes his unreplaced loss impossible to overcome. KD/LR look to be a big improvement on DUMBASS/Potter/King and that's the comparison you should be making,low bar or not........suggesting LR or any HC with 9 NHL games under his belt would have done a better job than Q did with any team he's ever coached is preposterous! 1st off, please don't take criticism of Q personally. We're fans; it' our Odin-given right to sit at home in front of the TV and criticize coaches, GM's, refs, and players ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . No one is immune, Not Q, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Hjammer, Crawford, Seabrook, et. al. All could be considered top-class over their career, but none were so perfect that they escape all criticism whatsoever. Not even Scotty Bowman, Wayne Gretzky, Vlad Tretiak, etc. are immune to fan criticism until they are good and well retired and we all forget all of the mistakes they made... 2ndly, If Q really did go stale, it's not on Q's ability as a coach (which we both agree he is one of the best coaches of all time) and more on the fact that he was stale for the lineup in question. His record in Florida leads to that assertation--He did really well in Florida in a fresh room. It's not whether or not LR would have been better than Q in a vacuum; LR's got a long way to go to be even able to sniff Q's jock as a coach. But, if Q did go stale, a coaching change had to be made.
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Post by Tater on Nov 2, 2022 2:34:13 GMT -6
No one is immune, Not Q, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Hjammer, Crawford, Seabrook, et. al. All could be considered top-class over their career, but none were so perfect that they escape all criticism whatsoever. You take that name off the list mister!!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 2, 2022 8:19:34 GMT -6
No one is immune, Not Q, Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Hjammer, Crawford, Seabrook, et. al. All could be considered top-class over their career, but none were so perfect that they escape all criticism whatsoever. You take that name off the list mister!!!!
Hey, you'll find no bigger Hossa fan than I am, but his 2016 year was really down, and that major he took in the 2010 playoffs that Kane had to score a shortie to tie the game and send it into OT was boneheaded...even if he did redeem himself splendidly. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 2, 2022 13:18:26 GMT -6
You take that name off the list mister!!!!
Hey, you'll find no bigger Hossa fan than I am, but his 2016 year was really down, and that major he took in the 2010 playoffs that Kane had to score a shortie to tie the game and send it into OT was boneheaded...even if he did redeem himself splendidly. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Was all according to his master plan. ![](//storage.proboards.com/7095205/thumbnailer/qiMVnaLPAvTzTjDUtJrD.png)
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