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Post by angoti on Jan 21, 2023 22:24:24 GMT -6
Tell a team they’re so shitty they’ll be lucky to win ten games…that’s some Lou Brown type motivation a coach like Richardson could use. That’s the great thing about Pro Sports right?.. on any given night.. you can be a winner… it’s got to be hard to come out every night and play hard and earn your keep. When you’re always on the losing end.. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 21, 2023 22:36:46 GMT -6
I once rooted for the blues.. when the Hawks were eliminated, out of wanting to see the central division represented in the western conference in 2019 winning their first and only Cup I will always want the the cup going to a western conference team, no matter what division.. Thanks. I also rooted for them as well as the AV's last season. I also rooted for the Sharks, Stars and Knights. Not sure though if I was rooting for them or against the East team regardless who they were. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 21, 2023 22:43:15 GMT -6
kudos to jake for retrieving the puck for stauber before pronger jumped the boards and took it.
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 21, 2023 23:54:08 GMT -6
kudos to jake for retrieving the puck for stauber before pronger jumped the boards and took it. I guess now it doesn't make any difference whether they win or lose. It's all about the individual performances. It's a new way to approach being a fan. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 22, 2023 0:01:16 GMT -6
kudos to jake for retrieving the puck for stauber before pronger jumped the boards and took it. I guess now it doesn't make any difference whether they win or lose. It's all about the individual performances. It's a new way to approach being a fan. as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. |
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Post by phill9 on Jan 22, 2023 0:33:25 GMT -6
I guess now it doesn't make any difference whether they win or lose. It's all about the individual performances. It's a new way to approach being a fan. as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. The unfortunate thing is with each win, the off-season could end up even more dismal. Several years ago I wanted them to lose because of the BS that was Bowman and the firing of Q and replacing him with a coach younger then some of the players. Now I want them to lose for the future so maybe I'll get to see another cup in my lifetime. That's why I'm so PO'd every time they win now. A crappy draft spot this year means another year added to the rebuild. I'm OK with the GM and coach, just really want to see a talent like Bedard.
Hawks are creeping up on teams. They've passed both Columbus and Anaheim now, with games in hand on both of them, and are just a point behind Arizona with 2 games in hand, 5 points behind San Jose with 3 games in hand, and Vancouver not out of reach either. The winning has to stop before they position themselves right out of the Bedard race. 38 games to go, would hope they lose 30 of them at least.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 22, 2023 0:38:33 GMT -6
as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. The unfortunate thing is with each win, the off-season could end up even more dismal. Several years ago I wanted them to lose because of the BS that was Bowman and the firing of Q and replacing him with a coach younger then some of the players. Now I want them to lose for the future so maybe I'll get to see another cup in my lifetime. That's why I'm so PO'd every time they win now. A crappy draft spot this year means another year added to the rebuild. I'm OK with the GM and coach, just really want to see a talent like Bedard.
Hawks are creeping up on teams. They've passed both Columbus and Anaheim now, and are just a point behind Arizona with 2 games in hand, 5 points behind San Jose with 3 games in hand, and Vancouver not out of reach either. The winning has to stop before they position themselves right out of the Bedard race. 38 games to go, would hope they lose 30 of them at least.
i understand the situation fully and completely. no disrespect meant, but i won't bother repeating myself. you can just re-read the post of mine you just quoted. : ) |
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Post by Tater on Jan 22, 2023 3:18:54 GMT -6
I thought Binny was gonna lose it after Reese scored and ended up in the crease.
Normally, a Hawks win over the Blews in St. Lou, a goalie getting his first win, 4th line scoring... would make for a fantastic evening of hockey. I hate how it's tainted knowing they really need to lose.
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Post by vadarx on Jan 22, 2023 8:58:24 GMT -6
I thought Binny was gonna lose it after Reese scored and ended up in the crease. Normally, a Hawks win over the Blews in St. Lou, a goalie getting his first win, 4th line scoring... would make for a fantastic evening of hockey. I hate how it's tainted knowing they really need to lose. they don't need to lose them all, though! fuck st louis. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 22, 2023 10:44:00 GMT -6
I guess now it doesn't make any difference whether they win or lose. It's all about the individual performances. It's a new way to approach being a fan. as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. Gee, I thought that the harder I cheered for a particular result, the more likely I was to get it because I have previously never been disappointed by a team for which I cheered. There's a difference between wanting a particular result for a team and how one responds when one does not get it. I have learned that when a team does not give me what I want, life goes on and I recover from any disappointment like I did when the Hawks got knocked out by Vanccouver in 2011. Even now, I have just shifted my fan energy to the Chiefs and the Nuggets. I really don't give a shit what the Hawks do. I would prefer that they lose because after so many years of being f-ups starting with 2016, I am a little tired of watching them be chumps. Now, when they really need to chump it, they are winning. It is disappointing to see them f that up also. If you have never wanted a particular result for any team you liked, like this franchise, I guess you are an unusual fan. Most people I know want their favorite team to win. But, hey, if you have gotten beyond that human frailty, good for you. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 22, 2023 11:00:16 GMT -6
as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. Gee, I thought that the harder I cheered for a particular result, the more likely I was to get it because I have previously never been disappointed by a team for which I cheered. There's a difference between wanting a particular result for a team and how one responds when one does not get it. I have learned that when a team does not give me what I want, life goes on and I recover from any disappointment like I did when the Hawks got knocked out by Vanccouver in 2011. Even now, I have just shifted my fan energy to the Chiefs and the Nuggets. I really don't give a shit what the Hawks do, but I would like to be enthusiastic about their efforts someday again. I would prefer that they lose because after so many years of being f-ups starting with 2016, I am a little tired of watching them be chumps. Now, when they really need to chump it, they are winning. It is disappointing to see them f that up also. If you have never wanted a particular result for any team you liked, like this franchise, I guess you are an unusual fan. Most people I know want their favorite team to win. It just so happens now that there is an unusual situation of wanting a team to lose rather than win for the good of the favorite team in the long term. But, hey, if you have gotten beyond the human frailty of wanting a particular result for a team, good for you. I'll have to work on battling it. Nah, maybe I'll just stick to the old way of viewing favorite teams. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 22, 2023 11:08:01 GMT -6
Some might say that you and I are the only negative ones on this site. I say that we are ardent supporters and the most sensible. Let's go, Blues!!!!! All honesty Jack, whether we are pulling for or against them has absolutely no effect on how the game plays out. This is all on the players because I don’t think there’s anybody in that dressing room saying, “We’ve got to win this for the Tincup, or Jack, or ‘Trash, or OTH, Bigbarn, Bob…” so even though I’m pining for that #1, deep down I can’t help cheering them on. I’m just a fan. Most teams that find themselves in the Hawks' current situation,are mostly comprised of young guys who aren't worried about their next contract and will still be on the team when the benefits of the next two drafts actually improve the team,maybe they don't throw themselves in front of every one-timer or into every brutal board-battle knowing the losses will benefit them in the long run and hopefully they learn from those mistakes they'll make while losing. The Hawks' current roster is mostly comprised of veterans who ARE worried about their next contract and in large part WON'T be here to see the improvements of the upcoming drafts. I dunno what my point is really.....just an observation. I still don't get the only one rookie D-man in the lineup at a time thing though,would the team lose more games with two or even more with three in the lineup? |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 22, 2023 11:32:39 GMT -6
One thing that does seem problematic for the Hawks is,with Caufield being out for the rest of the year and with Karlsson and Horvat both on the block,does it get crowded at the bottom with Mtl,SJ and Van joining the 'tank-a-thon'? It took 100pts to qualify out east last year and the current wildcard pace is 97pts this year.........at what point do the Sens and Wings also say 'screw it',we're in the sweepstakes too? Does anyone in their right mind see the Flyers goin' 15-17 over from here on out or do they join the party too?
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 22, 2023 11:51:00 GMT -6
All honesty Jack, whether we are pulling for or against them has absolutely no effect on how the game plays out. This is all on the players because I don’t think there’s anybody in that dressing room saying, “We’ve got to win this for the Tincup, or Jack, or ‘Trash, or OTH, Bigbarn, Bob…” so even though I’m pining for that #1, deep down I can’t help cheering them on. I’m just a fan. Most teams that find themselves in the Hawks' current situation,are mostly comprised of young guys who aren't worried about their next contract and will still be on the team when the benefits of the next two drafts actually improve the team,maybe they don't throw themselves in front of every one-timer or into every brutal board-battle knowing the losses will benefit them in the long run and hopefully they learn from those mistakes they'll make while losing. The Hawks' current roster is mostly comprised of veterans who ARE worried about their next contract and in large part WON'T be here to see the improvements of the upcoming drafts. I dunno what my point is really.....just an observation. I still don't get the only one rookie D-man in the lineup at a time thing though,would the team lose more games with two or even more with three in the lineup? I'll help you out here, old timer. Your point is that all the vets the Hawks have who are worried about their next contract are trying harder than the young guys on the usual team needing to tank who are not worrying about their next contracts, so they play with less effort. Consequently, that harder effort from the vets occasionally, and now more frequently, results in more Ws. If that was not your point, let me know, and I'll try again to help you out. |
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Post by hawks27 on Jan 22, 2023 11:56:45 GMT -6
Kudos for showing up though. Hawks aren’t shying away from that kind of shit as much anymore. I 100% agree. I like the fact that this regime's players aren't asked to play like mewling pantywaists. ...and I apologize to any mewling pantywaists that are offended by the comparison to the previous regime's Blackhawks. Not familiar with the BOLDED term. Is that possibly in reference to a Chinese dynasty? If so, does that mean they were the trending group to first wear their pants below their belly buttons? |
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Post by tincup on Jan 22, 2023 12:06:25 GMT -6
One thing that does seem problematic for the Hawks is,with Caufield being out for the rest of the year and with Karlsson and Horvat both on the block,does it get crowded at the bottom with Mtl,SJ and Van joining the 'tank-a-thon'? It took 100pts to qualify out east last year and the current wildcard pace is 97pts this year.........at what point do the Sens and Wings also say 'screw it',we're in the sweepstakes too? Does anyone in their right mind see the Flyers goin' 15-17 over from here on out or do they join the party too? Tough one. I think we’re seeing a kind of hollowing out of the middle class, so to speak. Yet I still believe players with pride can’t consciously tank. It’s not in their DNA. And the Hawks right now are prideful and loose. But if their management purposely weakens the team, or injuries pile up, then anything is possible. If the Hawks management really want the tank to be a thing, we’ll have to see what their moves are over the next few weeks. But their few valuable and movable assets will be in competition with those from other bottom feeders, might not be much of a sellers market. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 22, 2023 12:19:55 GMT -6
One thing that does seem problematic for the Hawks is,with Caufield being out for the rest of the year and with Karlsson and Horvat both on the block,does it get crowded at the bottom with Mtl,SJ and Van joining the 'tank-a-thon'? It took 100pts to qualify out east last year and the current wildcard pace is 97pts this year.........at what point do the Sens and Wings also say 'screw it',we're in the sweepstakes too? Does anyone in their right mind see the Flyers goin' 15-17 over from here on out or do they join the party too? Tough one. I think we’re seeing a kind of hollowing out of the middle class, so to speak. Yet I still believe players with pride can’t consciously tank. It’s not in their DNA. And the Hawks right now are prideful and loose. But if their management purposely weakens the team, or injuries pile up, then anything is possible. If the Hawks management really want the tank to be a thing, we’ll have to see what their moves are over the next few weeks. But their few valuable and movable assets will be in competition with those from other bottom feeders, might not be much of a sellers market. I agree with all that you wrote. But, what occurred to me as I read it, was that it seems that it is more difficult figuring out how to tank and rebuild, than maintaining some form of excellence once it is achieved. Also, drafting unproven NHL players seems to have more uncertainty to it, in the rebuilding effort; than, in the maintaining excellence effort, trading for vets or signing free agents, who have track records. If true, then it makes me realize how badly Bowman f'd up the easier task; and left the harder one for his successor(s). |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 22, 2023 14:37:13 GMT -6
as was said...cheering for this team to win or lose (or applauding individual performances) has zero impact on whether they do in fact win or lose. you want to clutch your pearls go ahead...that's most certainly your prerogative. that won't make any difference either. i'm just trying to appreciate the few enjoyable moments in an otherwise dismal season. Gee, I thought that the harder I cheered for a particular result, the more likely I was to get it because I have previously never been disappointed by a team for which I cheered. There's a difference between wanting a particular result for a team and how one responds when one does not get it. I have learned that when a team does not give me what I want, life goes on and I recover from any disappointment like I did when the Hawks got knocked out by Vanccouver in 2011. Even now, I have just shifted my fan energy to the Chiefs and the Nuggets. I really don't give a shit what the Hawks do. I would prefer that they lose because after so many years of being f-ups starting with 2016, I am a little tired of watching them be chumps. Now, when they really need to chump it, they are winning. It is disappointing to see them f that up also. If you have never wanted a particular result for any team you liked, like this franchise, I guess you are an unusual fan. Most people I know want their favorite team to win. But, hey, if you have gotten beyond that human frailty, good for you. with all due respect, i really think you're over-complicating things here. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jan 22, 2023 16:15:37 GMT -6
Some might say that you and I are the only negative ones on this site. I say that we are ardent supporters and the most sensible. Let's go, Blues!!!!! All honesty Jack, whether we are pulling for or against them has absolutely no effect on how the game plays out. This is all on the players because I don’t think there’s anybody in that dressing room saying, “We’ve got to win this for the Tincup, or Jack, or ‘Trash, or OTH, Bigbarn, Bob…” so even though I’m pining for that #1, deep down I can’t help cheering them on. I’m just a fan. Gotta disagree cup pretty sure I heard Lafferty say thats for you Barn post game. Maybe I heard wrong but I know Super Dave played for me he said he played for the 300 level. LOL |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 22, 2023 17:42:09 GMT -6
I 100% agree. I like the fact that this regime's players aren't asked to play like mewling pantywaists. ...and I apologize to any mewling pantywaists that are offended by the comparison to the previous regime's Blackhawks. Not familiar with the BOLDED term. Is that possibly in reference to a Chinese dynasty? If so, does that mean they were the trending group to first wear their pants below their belly buttons? Not sure if serious, but mewling means crying, sobbing, etc. |
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Post by hawks27 on Jan 22, 2023 17:51:02 GMT -6
Not familiar with the BOLDED term. Is that possibly in reference to a Chinese dynasty? If so, does that mean they were the trending group to first wear their pants below their belly buttons? Not sure if serious, but mewling means crying, sobbing, etc. Just having a little pun fun. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 22, 2023 19:49:11 GMT -6
tried to find this to no avail yesterday, popped up today though.
sorry...there's no way he connects 3, 4, 5 times.
kudos to barbashev for holding up when phillips was down. always like to see that.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 22, 2023 23:48:14 GMT -6
tried to find this to no avail yesterday, popped up today though. sorry...there's no way he connects 3, 4, 5 times. kudos to barbashev for holding up when phillips was down. always like to see that. I didn't see him land 1, a few hit Phillips' helmet, the uppercut hit his vision, and the last one before Phillips lost his balance grazed the top of his head. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 23, 2023 9:26:26 GMT -6
Most teams that find themselves in the Hawks' current situation,are mostly comprised of young guys who aren't worried about their next contract and will still be on the team when the benefits of the next two drafts actually improve the team,maybe they don't throw themselves in front of every one-timer or into every brutal board-battle knowing the losses will benefit them in the long run and hopefully they learn from those mistakes they'll make while losing. The Hawks' current roster is mostly comprised of veterans who ARE worried about their next contract and in large part WON'T be here to see the improvements of the upcoming drafts. I dunno what my point is really.....just an observation. I still don't get the only one rookie D-man in the lineup at a time thing though,would the team lose more games with two or even more with three in the lineup? I'll help you out here, old timer. Your point is that all the vets the Hawks have who are worried about their next contract are trying harder than the young guys on the usual team needing to tank who are not worrying about their next contracts, so they play with less effort. Consequently, that harder effort from the vets occasionally, and now more frequently, results in more Ws. If that was not your point, let me know, and I'll try again to help you out. I had concerns with all the veterans either on 'prove it' contracts or in career defining years early on when the team was winning some games too,but I thought the over-performing players would seek their career norms and opponents would notice what the team was doing and be able adjust accordingly and that happened and probably will again. We'll see how the new FO does here soon when players have to be moved out in a competitive environment.........it'll be a lot harder than trading,young,highly sought after players. My hope is,there's many good returns that I can complement.....which I'll gladly do. |
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