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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 7, 2023 6:40:37 GMT -6
guttman 71% at the dot (5 out of 7), none of the other centers were over 50% and the team was 43%. decat led the sens with 7 shots, also unfortunately led the sens forwards with a -3. Guttman might be KDs Hagel. The guy works hard with second and third efforts to break up plays and drives hard to the dirty areas, plus good hands around the net. Bonus he's a center and a righty. And both guys play bigger than their size. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Mar 7, 2023 8:42:14 GMT -6
What the hell did I just watch tonight?!?!? You watched an Ottawa team that appears to possibly be a playoff team, but, upon closer examination is merely one of the better teams of the long list of teams that won't be one. By the way, is Stalock really that good; or is Ottawa just a wannabee team? |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 7, 2023 8:51:42 GMT -6
I gotta I’ve Luke some credit here. He keeps getting fed a shit sammich for a lineup and he keeps making her work. I’d really like to see what he could do with a good young team. Maybe he’s a younger Q? So far I think Luke has said all the right things and done most of the right things. If he was hired 2 years ago, Hawks probably aren’t rebuilding!!! I would too,but for now,maybe the veteran D-core can really coalesce around the demanding HC and have a good finish. Why not just leave this poor Mitchell kid in Rockford and let him put up consecutive solid AHL seasons,a lotta D-men went that path at his age and the Hogs need the help. Stappling his ass in the press-box is the worst thing that coulda happened as far as destroying any shred of trade value and possibly his career in the process. I can't figure out what the kid did to deserve this but veteran D-men continue to be a strong alure. With S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsez and our new top-pair guy C Jones more than likely all in there next year.....maybe Tinordi too.......the alure will remain strong. 27yro Englund more than likely sees an extension himself. Kids make too many mistakes back there! Ottawa's 22yro rookie netminder had his first rough start and our 35yro veteran had a real good one........maybe he has a big finish too. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 7, 2023 9:12:28 GMT -6
What the hell did I just watch tonight?!?!? You watched an Ottawa team that appears to possibly be a playoff team, but, upon closer examination is merely one of the better teams of the long list of teams that won't be one. By the way, is Stalock really that good; or is Ottawa just a wannabee team? Is this the only Sens game you've closely examined all year? Ottawa's the 2nd youngest team in the league and even better teams can lay an egg but that's how young players learn........at the NHL level. How they respond to it is the most important thing. The Sens might end-up being a wannabee this year but it's still a learning process for a young team and last night WAS a good effort from Luke's veteran squad. |
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Post by steamer on Mar 7, 2023 10:03:31 GMT -6
I did not watch every minute of the game but what I saw was some of the highest energy I have seen by a Hawks team this year. They had the Sens on their heels much of the 5 on 5 time and did a damn good job on the PK. As BigT posted earlier on this thread, it would be interesting to see Luke have more talent on the team - and that should begin to happen next season. Not a playoff team yet mind you but one that playoff teams need to be ready for.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Mar 7, 2023 10:10:30 GMT -6
What the hell did I just watch tonight?!?!? You watched an Ottawa team that appears to possibly be a playoff team, but, upon closer examination is merely one of the better teams of the long list of teams that won't be one. By the way, is Stalock really that good; or is Ottawa just a wannabee team? Locks ability to play the puck behind the net is a huge plus, high low fast slow how ever they tried to ring it around Lock always played it. He was a difference maker at least last night. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Mar 7, 2023 13:58:07 GMT -6
You watched an Ottawa team that appears to possibly be a playoff team, but, upon closer examination is merely one of the better teams of the long list of teams that won't be one. By the way, is Stalock really that good; or is Ottawa just a wannabee team? Is this the only Sens game you've closely examined all year? Ottawa's the 2nd youngest team in the league and even better teams can lay an egg but that's how young players learn........at the NHL level. How they respond to it is the most important thing. The Sens might end-up being a wannabee this year but it's still a learning process for a young team and last night WAS a good effort from Luke's veteran squad. Actually, I haven't seen one second of Senator hockey this year. All I know is that when a team that purports to be a team with a shot at the wild card spot loses 5-0 to a depleted Chicago team, the Ottawa team is nothing but an impostor when it comes to being a wild card team this year. That is all I was commenting about. They may be better than they have been in recent years, but, in my opinion, that won't be good enough to be a wild card team this year. As you said, they may be in the learning process, but last night would indicate they got a lot to learn. |
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Post by steamer on Mar 7, 2023 14:24:47 GMT -6
They’re in a scramble for that last WC spot. I think the Pens are likely in as they have more points and 3 games in hand over these others: Sens, Isles, Cats, Caps and Sabres. So which of those 5 will make it? All of ‘em have been inconsistent. Sens made the best (IMO) effort before the deadline.
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Post by jacksalmon on Mar 7, 2023 16:30:53 GMT -6
They’re in a scramble for that last WC spot. I think the Pens are likely in as they have more points and 3 games in hand over these others: Sens, Isles, Cats, Caps and Sabres. So which of those 5 will make it? All of ‘em have been inconsistent. Sens made the best (IMO) effort before the deadline. So, how do you explain a 5-0 whitewash at the hands of the Hapless Hawks? A bad night? I guess even the best teams have bad nights. I'll admit that I often too quickly jump to conclusions, but it is hard not to draw one after that disaster. This was the Hapless Hawks, not the Isles, Cats, Caps, or Sabres. |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 7, 2023 16:31:16 GMT -6
What the hell did I just watch tonight?!?!? An amazing case of mass hallucination. |
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Post by steamer on Mar 7, 2023 16:49:42 GMT -6
They’re in a scramble for that last WC spot. I think the Pens are likely in as they have more points and 3 games in hand over these others: Sens, Isles, Cats, Caps and Sabres. So which of those 5 will make it? All of ‘em have been inconsistent. Sens made the best (IMO) effort before the deadline. So, how do you explain a 5-0 whitewash at the hands of the Hapless Hawks? A bad night? I guess even the best teams have bad nights. I'll admit that I often too quickly jump to conclusions, but it is hard not to draw one after that disaster. This was the Hapless Hawks, not the Isles, Cats, Caps, or Sabres. Yes - a bad night. I think any team that gets shutout is not having a great night. How the jumble of players now known as the Chicago Blackhawks suddenly gelled into a good team for a night? I have no idea. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Mar 7, 2023 19:14:19 GMT -6
So, how do you explain a 5-0 whitewash at the hands of the Hapless Hawks? A bad night? I guess even the best teams have bad nights. I'll admit that I often too quickly jump to conclusions, but it is hard not to draw one after that disaster. This was the Hapless Hawks, not the Isles, Cats, Caps, or Sabres. Yes - a bad night. I think any team that gets shutout is not having a great night. How the jumble of players now known as the Chicago Blackhawks suddenly gelled into a good team for a night? I have no idea. On top of this discussion, we find tonight's game between the Jackets and the Pens with the Jackets currently leading 4-0 in the 2d period. Is this just a bad night for the Pens? Are the Pens another wannabee team posturing for a playoff spot? Or are all the teams vying for a EC wild card spot now suddenly cursed? Or does shit just happen randomly and intermitently? Or, were the Sens the victims of their own lackadaisacal attitude toward the Hawks such that they played like beer league guys who drank their beers before their game instead of after: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/the-chicago-curse-continues-as-blackhawks-crush-ottawa-senators-5-0/ar-AA18iTft?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=492bae3df6e64585bcef92b70962b9bc&ei=26 |
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Post by steamer on Mar 8, 2023 9:44:13 GMT -6
Yes - a bad night. I think any team that gets shutout is not having a great night. How the jumble of players now known as the Chicago Blackhawks suddenly gelled into a good team for a night? I have no idea. On top of this discussion, we find tonight's game between the Jackets and the Pens with the Jackets currently leading 4-0 in the 2d period. Is this just a bad night for the Pens? Are the Pens another wannabee team posturing for a playoff spot? Or are all the teams vying for a EC wild card spot now suddenly cursed? Or does shit just happen randomly and intermitently? Or, were the Sens the victims of their own lackadaisacal attitude toward the Hawks such that they played like beer league guys who drank their beers before their game instead of after: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/the-chicago-curse-continues-as-blackhawks-crush-ottawa-senators-5-0/ar-AA18iTft?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=492bae3df6e64585bcef92b70962b9bc&ei=26You saw the Pens come back - unfortunately for the Hawks tank. But Pens while no longer upper echelon IMO - they are much better than the Jackets. |
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Post by tincup on Mar 8, 2023 9:57:09 GMT -6
it's a shame stalock got hurt this year. i think we could have moved him quite easily at the deadline because his numbers on this shitshow have been remarkably good. anyhoo...i'm still glad he's here, seems like he's got his mojo back. Too true… |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 8, 2023 12:52:59 GMT -6
I did not watch every minute of the game but what I saw was some of the highest energy I have seen by a Hawks team this year. They had the Sens on their heels much of the 5 on 5 time and did a damn good job on the PK. As BigT posted earlier on this thread, it would be interesting to see Luke have more talent on the team - and that should begin to happen next season. Not a playoff team yet mind you but one that playoff teams need to be ready for. But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? |
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Post by steamer on Mar 8, 2023 13:04:50 GMT -6
I did not watch every minute of the game but what I saw was some of the highest energy I have seen by a Hawks team this year. They had the Sens on their heels much of the 5 on 5 time and did a damn good job on the PK. As BigT posted earlier on this thread, it would be interesting to see Luke have more talent on the team - and that should begin to happen next season. Not a playoff team yet mind you but one that playoff teams need to be ready for. But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? I think it will be a blend of veteran and younger talent. There isn’t that much young talent ready to go full time next year - more on D perhaps but Reichel, Guttman, and ?? as forwards go. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 8, 2023 13:22:57 GMT -6
Is this the only Sens game you've closely examined all year? Ottawa's the 2nd youngest team in the league and even better teams can lay an egg but that's how young players learn........at the NHL level. How they respond to it is the most important thing. The Sens might end-up being a wannabee this year but it's still a learning process for a young team and last night WAS a good effort from Luke's veteran squad. Actually, I haven't seen one second of Senator hockey this year. All I know is that when a team that purports to be a team with a shot at the wild card spot loses 5-0 to a depleted Chicago team, the Ottawa team is nothing but an impostor when it comes to being a wild card team this year. That is all I was commenting about. They may be better than they have been in recent years, but, in my opinion, that won't be good enough to be a wild card team this year. As you said, they may be in the learning process, but last night would indicate they got a lot to learn. And you get all of that from watching only one game and not a second more? Tampa lost 6-0 the other night(the Canes ain't the Hawks but Ottawa sure as hell ain't Tampa Bay either),should Tampa hang it up for the year after that drubbing? The Sens hung 2 of the Bruin's only history making(at this point) 13 loses on em.....one in Boston,beat the Kings in LA,the Isle in NY,the Preds in TN,the Leafs in Toronto 6-2,the Caps and Sabres on the road,beat the Rags 2 outta 3 and the Stars and Pens at home.......what do those games indicate to you? I did see every second of those impressive wins and I'll tell you this jack........they mean no more or less that their loss in Chicago! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 8, 2023 13:39:13 GMT -6
But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? I think it will be a blend of veteran and younger talent. There isn’t that much young talent ready to go full time next year - more on D perhaps but Reichel, Guttman, and ?? as forwards go. The 'blend' will include S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and quite possibly C Jones,Englund and/or Tinordi too unless they're replaced by more vet D-men who come in for more picks. How do we know if Regula,Vlasic,Phillips or Mitchell(don't know why I'm including him)are ready or not with little to no opportunity but they're at the age where they should be ready......maybe they make too many pesky,rookie mistakes for somebody. |
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Post by steamer on Mar 8, 2023 15:58:11 GMT -6
I think it will be a blend of veteran and younger talent. There isn’t that much young talent ready to go full time next year - more on D perhaps but Reichel, Guttman, and ?? as forwards go. The 'blend' will include S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and quite possibly C Jones,Englund and/or Tinordi too unless they're replaced by more vet D-men who come in for more picks. How do we know if Regula,Vlasic,Phillips or Mitchell(don't know why I'm including him)are ready or not with little to no opportunity but they're at the age where they should be ready......maybe they make too many pesky,rookie mistakes for somebody. I would like to see those young Dmen play more too. They need to make rookie mistakes to learn. The vets make plenty of their own too for that matter. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 8, 2023 17:07:34 GMT -6
I think it will be a blend of veteran and younger talent. There isn’t that much young talent ready to go full time next year - more on D perhaps but Reichel, Guttman, and ?? as forwards go. The 'blend' will include S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and quite possibly C Jones,Englund and/or Tinordi too unless they're replaced by more vet D-men who come in for more picks. How do we know if Regula,Vlasic,Phillips or Mitchell(don't know why I'm including him)are ready or not with little to no opportunity but they're at the age where they should be ready......maybe they make too many pesky,rookie mistakes for somebody. Adding into this: according to my calculations (i.e. looked it up on CapFriendly  ), the 'hawks have ~41M in cap spending next season, with 4 D-men, 2 goalies, and 5 FWDs needed (assuming 1 spare each fetching Soft Serve to maximize cap expenditure). If my numbers aren't wrong that means we have to spend 23.2M to reach the cap floor. That's about 1.1M per player. More without spares. None of our non-roster prospects make more than 1M. We'll need to bring in outside cap hit to make the balance. To your point though, we could probably being back Caleb as the 7th (even though I'd prefer Tandoori, I believe Caleb has to be qualified somewhere around 1.5M), and then run 2-3 rookies, depending on whether Caleb is the 7th or not. I'd rather not have any of our prospects fetching soft serve--let them play. That should suffice getting some of the prospect D out there. We could probably take the cap hit with vet FWD players as opposed to vet D, or even bring in another vet netminder. But I think we need to see what we got in guys like Phillips and Vlassic (among others), the extra cap to reach the floor should be somewhere else other than defense this summer. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 9, 2023 11:26:28 GMT -6
The 'blend' will include S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and quite possibly C Jones,Englund and/or Tinordi too unless they're replaced by more vet D-men who come in for more picks. How do we know if Regula,Vlasic,Phillips or Mitchell(don't know why I'm including him)are ready or not with little to no opportunity but they're at the age where they should be ready......maybe they make too many pesky,rookie mistakes for somebody. I would like to see those young Dmen play more too. They need to make rookie mistakes to learn. The vets make plenty of their own too for that matter. Maybe we do next year and I can quit my bitchin'......LOL! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 9, 2023 11:48:21 GMT -6
The 'blend' will include S Jones,Murphy,Zaitsev and quite possibly C Jones,Englund and/or Tinordi too unless they're replaced by more vet D-men who come in for more picks. How do we know if Regula,Vlasic,Phillips or Mitchell(don't know why I'm including him)are ready or not with little to no opportunity but they're at the age where they should be ready......maybe they make too many pesky,rookie mistakes for somebody. Adding into this: according to my calculations (i.e. looked it up on CapFriendly ), the 'hawks have ~41M in cap spending next season, with 4 D-men, 2 goalies, and 5 FWDs needed (assuming 1 spare each fetching Soft Serve to maximize cap expenditure). If my numbers aren't wrong that means we have to spend 23.2M to reach the cap floor. That's about 1.1M per player. More without spares. None of our non-roster prospects make more than 1M. We'll need to bring in outside cap hit to make the balance. To your point though, we could probably being back Caleb as the 7th (even though I'd prefer Tandoori, I believe Caleb has to be qualified somewhere around 1.5M), and then run 2-3 rookies, depending on whether Caleb is the 7th or not. I'd rather not have any of our prospects fetching soft serve--let them play. That should suffice getting some of the prospect D out there. We could probably take the cap hit with vet FWD players as opposed to vet D, or even bring in another vet netminder. But I think we need to see what we got in guys like Phillips and Vlassic (among others), the extra cap to reach the floor should be somewhere else other than defense this summer. HARRUMPH.....HARRUMPH! LOL!........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFUThe team does already have it's biggest contract on the blue-line and they've already acquired vet D-man Zaitsez with some dandy picks attached on the blue-line too.........no problemo but 'stop it right there'.....LOL! Murphy more than likely is kept and he's stayed healthy and we probably see one of C Jones,Tinordi or Englund return too,maybe two. Little room is left at the inn in this scenario,so like I said.........'stop it right there'! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 9, 2023 12:58:10 GMT -6
Adding into this: according to my calculations (i.e. looked it up on CapFriendly ), the 'hawks have ~41M in cap spending next season, with 4 D-men, 2 goalies, and 5 FWDs needed (assuming 1 spare each fetching Soft Serve to maximize cap expenditure). If my numbers aren't wrong that means we have to spend 23.2M to reach the cap floor. That's about 1.1M per player. More without spares. None of our non-roster prospects make more than 1M. We'll need to bring in outside cap hit to make the balance. To your point though, we could probably being back Caleb as the 7th (even though I'd prefer Tandoori, I believe Caleb has to be qualified somewhere around 1.5M), and then run 2-3 rookies, depending on whether Caleb is the 7th or not. I'd rather not have any of our prospects fetching soft serve--let them play. That should suffice getting some of the prospect D out there. We could probably take the cap hit with vet FWD players as opposed to vet D, or even bring in another vet netminder. But I think we need to see what we got in guys like Phillips and Vlassic (among others), the extra cap to reach the floor should be somewhere else other than defense this summer. HARRUMPH.....HARRUMPH! LOL!........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzbhbetwYFUThe team does already have it's biggest contract on the blue-line and they've already acquired vet D-man Zaitsez with some dandy picks attached on the blue-line too.........no problemo but 'stop it right there'.....LOL! Murphy more than likely is kept and he's stayed healthy and we probably see one of C Jones,Tinordi or Englund return too,maybe two. Little room is left at the inn in this scenario,so like I said.........'stop it right there'! "Give the governor 'Harrumph!'" |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 9, 2023 23:24:18 GMT -6
I did not watch every minute of the game but what I saw was some of the highest energy I have seen by a Hawks team this year. They had the Sens on their heels much of the 5 on 5 time and did a damn good job on the PK. As BigT posted earlier on this thread, it would be interesting to see Luke have more talent on the team - and that should begin to happen next season. Not a playoff team yet mind you but one that playoff teams need to be ready for. But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? Q was the same in his preference for veterans rather than rookies. I'd like to see at least 2 rookie d-men and 1 rookie forward start next year. Let them make their mistakes so they can learn, or not. If we keep them waiting for too long, some will get fed up and quit. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 10, 2023 15:21:12 GMT -6
But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? Q was the same in his preference for veterans rather than rookies. I'd like to see at least 2 rookie d-men and 1 rookie forward start next year. Let them make their mistakes so they can learn, or not. If we keep them waiting for too long, some will get fed up and quit. You must not have been privy to(or bored by) the many times I've listed all the rookies and kids Q played,they pretty much all had a shot. I'm not listing a year by year,you can check yourself but the cup winning year of '13' alone saw 22yro's Leddy and Kruger and 21yro's Saad and Shaw play big roles. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 11, 2023 17:29:07 GMT -6
But will it be veteran talent again? Do kids just make too many mistakes for the demanding HC? Q was the same in his preference for veterans rather than rookies. I'd like to see at least 2 rookie d-men and 1 rookie forward start next year. Let them make their mistakes so they can learn, or not. If we keep them waiting for too long, some will get fed up and quit. I think I might have said this before: in a de facto tank year, it might be a situation where it's not so much LR's preference for vets, but the fact that we're trying to tank. That way it won't hurt any kids' development, and we know thqt most vets are a known quantity and might not have better-than-projected play to hurt said tank. I expect, and hope, that we see many more kids next season. |
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), the 'hawks have ~41M in cap spending next season, with 4 D-men, 2 goalies, and 5 FWDs needed (assuming 1 spare each fetching Soft Serve to maximize cap expenditure). If my numbers aren't wrong that means we have to spend 23.2M to reach the cap floor. That's about 1.1M per player. More without spares.