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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 2:07:24 GMT -6
Truly outstanding win! Probably cost the team Bedard and any chance of being remotely decent before 2030 Miserable team/franchise If youre expecting them to be relevant before 2030, youre going to be disappointed. Lower down your expectation, might make you less miserable If you or anyone else here is still a fan of this team when they might become relevant again in 8-10 years I have to question your priorities in life |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 15, 2023 4:16:43 GMT -6
If youre expecting them to be relevant before 2030, youre going to be disappointed. Lower down your expectation, might make you less miserable If you or anyone else here is still a fan of this team when they might become relevant again in 8-10 years I have to question your priorities in life so then we won't be bandwagon fans when that happens? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 15, 2023 5:34:56 GMT -6
I knew i was going to miss a good game.
Just watched the hilites on YT.
What happened to mrazek? Nothing was shown on the video but the game recap said he got hit in the head with a shot?
Khudobin likely on his way.
Wistle's goal was a nice way to start things off, but i loved all our goals.
Wtf was stalock doing with his stick on the PS? kindve funny actually.
Yeah...outshot bad but i love the way this team's been playing lately.
Maybe this rebuild won't be as painful as i thought.
Edit: sad but not surprised to hear it was mrazek's 3rd groin injury of the year.
Not so serious apparently but maybe they oughtta' just shut him down the rest of the season? Idk.
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Post by squishy24 on Mar 15, 2023 6:16:24 GMT -6
If youre expecting them to be relevant before 2030, youre going to be disappointed. Lower down your expectation, might make you less miserable If you or anyone else here is still a fan of this team when they might become relevant again in 8-10 years I have to question your priorities in life Lol why wait 8-10 yrs? Im questioning yours right now. You seem to be obsessive about hating something that obviously pisses you off. Walk away and reassess your priorities Do you even know what being a fan of a team means? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 15, 2023 6:39:21 GMT -6
I knew i was going to miss a good game. Just watched the hilites on YT. What happened to mrazek? Nothing was shown on the video but the game recap said he got hit in the head with a shot? Khudobin likely on his way. Wistle's goal was a nice way to start things off, but i loved all our goals. Wtf was stalock doing with his stick on the PS? kindve funny actually. Yeah...outshot bad but i love the way this team's been playing lately. Maybe this rebuild won't be as painful as i thought. Edit: sad but not surprised to hear it was mrazek's 3rd groin injury of the year. Not so serious apparently but maybe they oughtta' just shut him down the rest of the season? Idk. Yeah I thought it was his groin by the way he was moving after stopping the shot with his head. 3 groin pulls in one season doesn't look good for his future, especially after missing most of last year for that reason. Might be time to hang them up after this season. It's encouraging how Luke has these guys playing, the rebuild might not be long once the future D prospects start playing, plus Reichel, Nazar, and hopefully a top3 pick this year. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 15, 2023 9:54:40 GMT -6
I don't think KD handled it well, either, but I don't think Kane wanted to move, and I think he knew he held all of the cards. If that grey hair would have tried to bully Kane, I think it would have ended up worse. I don’t know why anyone would think it’d be bullying? I just think the president would have asked Kane for 3 destinations. His top 3. And tell him he’s just using them against each other. We’ll try like hell to get you to NY. If that doesn’t pan out, would you be willing to go to one of the others? If not, you’ll stay put and then you can decide in free agency. And none of that would have to be in a horrible tone. It’d be in a positive manner. And try to get the best for both worlds. I truly think it could’ve been handled better. And the Hawks should have done better. I think with some experience in that position. We see a different outcome!!! I haven't criticized Kane or KD in this and I haven't 'run cover' for either side,I knew all along it wouldn't be easy. Does an accomplished,veteran hockey exec possibly have a better relationship with an accomplished,veteran player? Possibly. KD publicly expressed the idea of moving both K&T before the year started and why wouldn't the GM of a building team? What I didn't understand was the Org's public position that they wouldn't ask either to 'waive'.......if you want something in life you gotta ask for it. I believe this stance came from the top for P/R purposes. If reports are true,I'll admit to some frustration with Kane for his apparent late decision and only one approved destination but the player did state his desire to stay too. I don't know if the public stance of not asking the players to waive and the announced meeting only a week before the TDL needed to be public. Why couldn't the player/agent have been quietly asked to waive and for more than one destination in early February? What would he have done.....said no? |
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Post by BigT on Mar 15, 2023 10:05:12 GMT -6
I just think the president would have asked Kane for 3 destinations. His top 3. And tell him he’s just using them against each other. We’ll try like hell to get you to NY. If that doesn’t pan out, would you be willing to go to one of the others? If not, you’ll stay put and then you can decide in free agency. And none of that would have to be in a horrible tone. It’d be in a positive manner. And try to get the best for both worlds. I truly think it could’ve been handled better. And the Hawks should have done better. I think with some experience in that position. We see a different outcome!!! Counter-point: how do we know that a version of this was not presented to PK and Brisson? If I had hair, it would be gray, but I see kids younger than me making amazing business moves (I'm too crusty but I can recognize smart vs. trendy moves pretty quickly). Is there not the potential that the same grumpy, gray-hair analysis DID happen and all we the fans hear is that it was PK to NYR all-day, everyday, only? Just saying. That is possible. Until KD said the return wasn’t the key here. All the Kane has done for this franchise is what drove this. I also believe that the org wanted everyone from the last regime gone. All of them. Every last one of them. Except…….. Rocky. I don’t believe 19/88 are coming back. It’s just not in the plan. Toews will more than likely retire a Blackhawk. I think there’s a new plan and they don’t want any old socks kicking around. I believe they want a totally new dressing room and culture. So Kane was basically shown the door anyways. I would bet a large amount either aren’t coming back!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 15, 2023 10:05:18 GMT -6
If ya gotta win a game against a good team at this point,it's great to be in front of the faithful!
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Post by BigT on Mar 15, 2023 12:41:38 GMT -6
I don’t know why anyone would think it’d be bullying? I just think the president would have asked Kane for 3 destinations. His top 3. And tell him he’s just using them against each other. We’ll try like hell to get you to NY. If that doesn’t pan out, would you be willing to go to one of the others? If not, you’ll stay put and then you can decide in free agency. And none of that would have to be in a horrible tone. It’d be in a positive manner. And try to get the best for both worlds. I truly think it could’ve been handled better. And the Hawks should have done better. I think with some experience in that position. We see a different outcome!!! I haven't criticized Kane or KD in this and I haven't 'run cover' for either side,I knew all along it wouldn't be easy. Does an accomplished,veteran hockey exec possibly have a better relationship with an accomplished,veteran player? Possibly. KD publicly expressed the idea of moving both K&T before the year started and why wouldn't the GM of a building team? What I didn't understand was the Org's public position that they wouldn't ask either to 'waive'.......if you want something in life you gotta ask for it. I believe this stance came from the top for P/R purposes. If reports are true,I'll admit to some frustration with Kane for his apparent late decision and only one approved destination but the player did state his desire to stay too. I don't know if the public stance of not asking the players to waive and the announced meeting only a week before the TDL needed to be public. Why couldn't the player/agent have been quietly asked to waive and for more than one destination in early February? What would he have done.....said no? This exactly why I don’t trust a 32 year old fella making that decision. When you’re younger than the guy you’re trading, I don’t like it. I’d rather some grey hair in the vacant Presidents seat to help with those decisions. Again. We only know what they’ve told us. And it seems KD and the org were/are hellbent on getting rid of the duo or anyone else from that era as fast as possible. Not really my opinion, but it seems they’re more than ready to move on from the last era. The return for Kane says a lot. They’d rather take a 2nd and a 4th just to rid themselves of him. Like you said, Kane also had a desire to stay. But it seems they wanted him gone. Personally, for that haul. I would a just kept him. Even if he left for nothing. The point has to be proven sooner or later that you’re open for business, but it’s gotta reasonable. And I’m sure Kane understood that. That’s why he was willing to stay!!! |
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Post by tincup on Mar 15, 2023 15:39:29 GMT -6
Toews in the background there…hanging with the team.
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 16, 2023 8:47:42 GMT -6
I haven't criticized Kane or KD in this and I haven't 'run cover' for either side,I knew all along it wouldn't be easy. Does an accomplished,veteran hockey exec possibly have a better relationship with an accomplished,veteran player? Possibly. KD publicly expressed the idea of moving both K&T before the year started and why wouldn't the GM of a building team? What I didn't understand was the Org's public position that they wouldn't ask either to 'waive'.......if you want something in life you gotta ask for it. I believe this stance came from the top for P/R purposes. If reports are true,I'll admit to some frustration with Kane for his apparent late decision and only one approved destination but the player did state his desire to stay too. I don't know if the public stance of not asking the players to waive and the announced meeting only a week before the TDL needed to be public. Why couldn't the player/agent have been quietly asked to waive and for more than one destination in early February? What would he have done.....said no? This exactly why I don’t trust a 32 year old fella making that decision. When you’re younger than the guy you’re trading, I don’t like it. I’d rather some grey hair in the vacant Presidents seat to help with those decisions. Again. We only know what they’ve told us. And it seems KD and the org were/are hellbent on getting rid of the duo or anyone else from that era as fast as possible. Not really my opinion, but it seems they’re more than ready to move on from the last era. The return for Kane says a lot. They’d rather take a 2nd and a 4th just to rid themselves of him. Like you said, Kane also had a desire to stay. But it seems they wanted him gone. Personally, for that haul. I would a just kept him. Even if he left for nothing. The point has to be proven sooner or later that you’re open for business, but it’s gotta reasonable. And I’m sure Kane understood that. That’s why he was willing to stay!!! If KD let Kane walk for nothing he would have been blasted on all fronts for it--harder than he got blasted for a 2nd and a 4th. If anyone doesn't think that's the case then someone's definitely giving them the full fist. Greyhair or not the Kane situation had to be addressed to some satisfaction: Either he re-signs with us, or we get something for him on the trade market and recoup some value. There is no other satisfactory option. Kane holding ALL of the cards complicated matters. I don't know if it was Kane playing hardball, or like hsbob says PR came before logic with the failure of KD's team to properly address the Kane situation earlier. Personally, I think it's a little of both. I'm not ecstatic about the return, but if there was no intent to re-sign Kane, I'll take the return we got in lieu of getting nothing for him. Plus, I'm not sure a greyhair would have definitively done much better in that situation. We don't know how amenable or stubborn Kane was in the situation, nor do we know how vindictive he would have been if we pressed him harder. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 16, 2023 8:50:29 GMT -6
Counter-point: how do we know that a version of this was not presented to PK and Brisson? If I had hair, it would be gray, but I see kids younger than me making amazing business moves (I'm too crusty but I can recognize smart vs. trendy moves pretty quickly). Is there not the potential that the same grumpy, gray-hair analysis DID happen and all we the fans hear is that it was PK to NYR all-day, everyday, only? Just saying. That is possible. Until KD said the return wasn’t the key here. All the Kane has done for this franchise is what drove this. I also believe that the org wanted everyone from the last regime gone. All of them. Every last one of them. Except…….. Rocky. I don’t believe 19/88 are coming back. It’s just not in the plan. Toews will more than likely retire a Blackhawk. I think there’s a new plan and they don’t want any old socks kicking around. I believe they want a totally new dressing room and culture. So Kane was basically shown the door anyways. I would bet a large amount either aren’t coming back!!! I think this is the case--and usually happens in a regime change. If that was indeed the case and there was no re-signing Kane, then you have to get something for him. You cannot let him walk at 34yo given his pedigee and current playing ability. Given Toews' medical issues you pretty much have to let him ride off into the sunset. Kane? No. Something has to be coming back for him. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 16, 2023 9:20:17 GMT -6
I haven't criticized Kane or KD in this and I haven't 'run cover' for either side,I knew all along it wouldn't be easy. Does an accomplished,veteran hockey exec possibly have a better relationship with an accomplished,veteran player? Possibly. KD publicly expressed the idea of moving both K&T before the year started and why wouldn't the GM of a building team? What I didn't understand was the Org's public position that they wouldn't ask either to 'waive'.......if you want something in life you gotta ask for it. I believe this stance came from the top for P/R purposes. If reports are true,I'll admit to some frustration with Kane for his apparent late decision and only one approved destination but the player did state his desire to stay too. I don't know if the public stance of not asking the players to waive and the announced meeting only a week before the TDL needed to be public. Why couldn't the player/agent have been quietly asked to waive and for more than one destination in early February? What would he have done.....said no? This exactly why I don’t trust a 32 year old fella making that decision. When you’re younger than the guy you’re trading, I don’t like it. I’d rather some grey hair in the vacant Presidents seat to help with those decisions. Again. We only know what they’ve told us. And it seems KD and the org were/are hellbent on getting rid of the duo or anyone else from that era as fast as possible. Not really my opinion, but it seems they’re more than ready to move on from the last era. The return for Kane says a lot. They’d rather take a 2nd and a 4th just to rid themselves of him. Like you said, Kane also had a desire to stay. But it seems they wanted him gone. Personally, for that haul. I would a just kept him. Even if he left for nothing. The point has to be proven sooner or later that you’re open for business, but it’s gotta reasonable. And I’m sure Kane understood that. That’s why he was willing to stay!!! I'm trying to stay objective on this T. It isn't KD's fault he's young,or the Org might be the only one to go w/o a PoHO,or that Kane hung him up. If things were different and I thought KD screwed up,I'd say that too. Could Rocky have been that 'gray hair'? He did say he intended to stay close to the day-day operations when he 'shushed' the kids at his 'town-howl' if I recall. To stay objective,just about all of us were okay with both moving along,even a guy like me who's supported both to a fault at times. I do think some things could have been handled differently but I put little blame on the young GM. I believe the Org's public stance against asking the players to waive came from ownership,they didn't want the 'optics' of asking the players to waive but other Orgs have with their star players. Relying on two accomplished and 15 year tenured players who don't want out to ask out didn't work out! Just sayin'. The return? We also have to remember that Kane's 34,rumored to be dinged-up and was in the midst of his worst season but with a nice little 'heater' right before the TDL. I came to grips with not keeping an 8M+ goal scorer the team wouldn't need for another 3-5 years around but I still feel a familiar face like Strome for 3.6M for only one year for Kane to play with could have helped Kane's #'s this year and maybe Strome's value this time too. Water under the bridge. Maybe a 2nd in this deep draft or a 1st next year turns into a player........before the need for assisted-living!LOFL!!!! |
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