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Post by Nikos on May 12, 2023 11:35:08 GMT -6
Jack I agree with a lot what you're saying here and should have been more than 1 game IMO, but to wish ill and bad things for Pietrangelo is really not necessary. By a lot of accounts Pietrangelo is a good person and player, he for some reason just lost it in the heat of the moment and he will not be the last do so . I am not condoning what he did, but he is not a dirty player. Do you mean to tell me that a guy who has been in the league for umpteen years should be excused for not being to control himself and stay away from trying to break Draisaitl's arm? I am quite sure that AP has been on the receiving end of some bad hits himself. There was nothing that Draisaitl did to provoke that mfer. So, AP was upset that his team was going to lose and that justifies trying to fracture someone's arm? The fucking game was lost anyway. What was to be gained from his criminal act? The mfer should be prosecuted in Alberta for assault, but I am sure the fucking Canadian assholes would not dare to prosecute a hockey player for an on ice action because that would violate Canadian sensitivities about assaults that take place in the place where a game is played. The Americans ain't any better and I say fuck that shit, if one engages in a criminal act, it should not matter where it takes place, or under what circumstances. AP cannot be excused from engaging in an act that was intentional and designed to break Draisaitl's arm; or, at the least, cause him serious pain. That mfer AP should have been suspended for the rest of the playoffs and for 25 games next regular season for engaging in an intentional bad act that had only one purpose-----to inflict serious pain, or injury, to an innocent opposing player. A punishment like that would send a message to the other fucking goons in this fucked up league that that sort of play will not be tolerated and will be severely punished. But, the NHL never does that. When will the NHL, or legal authorities, realize that the only legal way to deter such actions is severe punishment. Otherwise, the failure to suspend, or prosecute, merely encourages vigilante actions to bring about retribution. I stand by my wish that when AP comes back to play that he suffers a career ending injury by any means. His action was quite different than the borderline boarding call where it is difficult to determine whether it was a clean hit; or an intent to injure with a late, or dirty hit. I wish that upon him because his action was clearly malicious; and I believe that when the legitimate punishing authority fails to act, there is only answer----severe vengeance. Fuck him and the league. I said very clearly that I do not condone what he did and no excuse. The guy in the heat of the moment lost it, we have seen this with other players too, is it right absolutely NO. He did not wake up that day and say I going to break Draisalitl's arm. If this was say someone like Raffii Torres who deliberately tried to knock players out of the same (see Hossa in 2012) sure go ahead and wish him all the ill will you want. Again, Pietrangelo is not a dirty player by all accounts has no reputation of being one. He plays the game hard, and things happen sometimes that's all. If it makes you happier to pull a Lea Elia tirade hey it is a free country my friend.
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Post by jacksalmon on May 12, 2023 15:41:28 GMT -6
Do you mean to tell me that a guy who has been in the league for umpteen years should be excused for not being to control himself and stay away from trying to break Draisaitl's arm? I am quite sure that AP has been on the receiving end of some bad hits himself. There was nothing that Draisaitl did to provoke that mfer. So, AP was upset that his team was going to lose and that justifies trying to fracture someone's arm? The fucking game was lost anyway. What was to be gained from his criminal act? The mfer should be prosecuted in Alberta for assault, but I am sure the fucking Canadian assholes would not dare to prosecute a hockey player for an on ice action because that would violate Canadian sensitivities about assaults that take place in the place where a game is played. The Americans ain't any better and I say fuck that shit, if one engages in a criminal act, it should not matter where it takes place, or under what circumstances. AP cannot be excused from engaging in an act that was intentional and designed to break Draisaitl's arm; or, at the least, cause him serious pain. That mfer AP should have been suspended for the rest of the playoffs and for 25 games next regular season for engaging in an intentional bad act that had only one purpose-----to inflict serious pain, or injury, to an innocent opposing player. A punishment like that would send a message to the other fucking goons in this fucked up league that that sort of play will not be tolerated and will be severely punished. But, the NHL never does that. When will the NHL, or legal authorities, realize that the only legal way to deter such actions is severe punishment. Otherwise, the failure to suspend, or prosecute, merely encourages vigilante actions to bring about retribution. I stand by my wish that when AP comes back to play that he suffers a career ending injury by any means. His action was quite different than the borderline boarding call where it is difficult to determine whether it was a clean hit; or an intent to injure with a late, or dirty hit. I wish that upon him because his action was clearly malicious; and I believe that when the legitimate punishing authority fails to act, there is only answer----severe vengeance. Fuck him and the league. I said very clearly that I do not condone what he did and no excuse. The guy in the heat of the moment lost it, we have seen this with other players too, is it right absolutely NO. He did not wake up that day and say I going to break Draisalitl's arm. If this was say someone like Raffii Torres who deliberately tried to knock players out of the same (see Hossa in 2012) sure go ahead and wish him all the ill will you want. Again, Pietrangelo is not a dirty player by all accounts has no reputation of being one. He plays the game hard, and things happen sometimes that's all. If it makes you happier to pull a Lea Elia tirade hey it is a free country my friend. Saying he acted in the heat of the moment is just an excuse for saying he is generally a good guy, but, after it was obvious that his team had lost, it was ok of him to go ahead and try to break Draisaitl's arm. After all, what's a broken arm, they can always fix that. Fuck that, it ain't ok and I don't care how you characterize it. He should have been suspended like Torres for trying to break Leon's arm. By the way, next year, when the goons of this fucked up league try to injure Bedard and put him out of action; or intimidate him by hurting him, let's see how you look at it then. Just a heat of moment action? He is generally a quiet, mild mannered fellow? Bedard is just a rookie? Who gives a fuck about a concussion? He is young and has years to recover. I would venture to guess you will be humming a very different tune then.. This is a fucked up league when it comes to protecting its players from serious harm by intentional acts designed to injure or cause serious pain. It doesn't and there ain't no two ways about it. You can call this a tirade, but it is still a fucked up league. Also, please explain for me what harm would have resulted if the fucked up NHL had given AP a 25 game suspension? Was that going to deter players from playing hard to win and giving it their all in a fair manner without dirty plays? Was that going to keep 5000 fans away from games because they would know there wasn't going to be any head banging or arm breaking at NHL games?
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2023 15:56:46 GMT -6
hey jack. here is a thought for ya:
remember when Keith only got 1 game for smacking Carter in the face with his stick? he certainly wasn't "clean" at that point and yet only got 1 game. imo, when they doled out his suspension, they took into account what else had happened prior to that, ie Carter tried to break his hand with a slash to an ungloved mitt, which went uncalled.
it feels like the same is happening here. the Oil have been CLEARLY targeting Stone with intent to re-injure his ailing back, cross checking him repeatedly. Petro also has been targeted, especially by Kane. that slash felt like his response to what the Oil have been doing since game 2. and his punishment seems like a response from the league that they might understand it. in other words, this might be a little bit of a statement by the league to the Oilers as much as it was a punishment to the Knights.
I don't agree and I think he should've been given the rest of the series off for it, but just a thought I had...
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Post by jacksalmon on May 12, 2023 18:28:10 GMT -6
hey jack. here is a thought for ya: remember when Keith only got 1 game for smacking Carter in the face with his stick? he certainly wasn't "clean" at that point and yet only got 1 game. imo, when they doled out his suspension, they took into account what else had happened prior to that, ie Carter tried to break his hand with a slash to an ungloved mitt, which went uncalled. it feels like the same is happening here. the Oil have been CLEARLY targeting Stone with intent to re-injure his ailing back, cross checking him repeatedly. Petro also has been targeted, especially by Kane. that slash felt like his response to what the Oil have been doing since game 2. and his punishment seems like a response from the league that they might understand it. in other words, this might be a little bit of a statement by the league to the Oilers as much as it was a punishment to the Knights. I don't agree and I think he should've been given the rest of the series off for it, but just a thought I had... I am sure that it is ok to take into account what happened before the action in question like the Kane incident you cited. But, here, Leon did nothing more than try to score an empty netter. As I sure you agree, that is no reason to allow a mfer to try to break his arm and only get one game. I say 25 games continuing on to next season; or if retires, good riddance. At the least, the rest of the playoffs should LV beat the Oilers. After all, he took a deadly weapon and attempted to use it as a tomahawk. Or, maybe they could give Leon one solid chop on AP's arm, just for the hell of it. In any event, fuck AP and the NHL.
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Post by Nikos on May 12, 2023 18:39:11 GMT -6
I said very clearly that I do not condone what he did and no excuse. The guy in the heat of the moment lost it, we have seen this with other players too, is it right absolutely NO. He did not wake up that day and say I going to break Draisalitl's arm. If this was say someone like Raffii Torres who deliberately tried to knock players out of the same (see Hossa in 2012) sure go ahead and wish him all the ill will you want. Again, Pietrangelo is not a dirty player by all accounts has no reputation of being one. He plays the game hard, and things happen sometimes that's all. If it makes you happier to pull a Lea Elia tirade hey it is a free country my friend. Saying he acted in the heat of the moment is just an excuse for saying he is generally a good guy, but, after it was obvious that his team had lost, it was ok of him to go ahead and try to break Draisaitl's arm. After all, what's an arm in good working order, they can always fix that. Fuck that, it ain't ok and I don't care how you characterize it. He should have been suspended like Torres for trying to break Leon's arm. By the way, next year, when the goons of this fucked up league try to injure Bedard and put him out of action; or intimidate him by hurting him, let's see how you look at it then. Just a heat of moment action? He is generally a quiet, mild mannered fellow? Bedard is just a rookie? Who gives a fuck about a concussion? He is young and has years to recover. I would venture to guess you will be humming a very different tune then.. This is a fucked up league when it comes to protecting its players from serious harm by intentional acts designed to injure or cause serious pain. It doesn't and there ain't no two ways about it. You can call this a tirade, but it is still a fucked up league. Also, please explain for me what harm would have resulted if the fucked up NHL had given AP a 25 game suspension? Was that going to deter players from playing hard to win and giving it their all in a fair manner without dirty plays? Was that going to keep 5000 fans away from games because they would know there wasn't going to be any head banging or arm breaking at NHL games? I said that 1 game was light and probably should have gotten 3 which would have put him out of the series if it went the full 7 games. I also said no excuses, I am just saying why I think he did what he did. We all have choices if you feel the league is that messed up you can either make suggestions to make it better or you can just not watch it. With respects to your question about Bedard and any player for that matter I certainly would not be thrilled.The league does not have an epidemic of their stars being targeted, the players will police that themselves. I bet game 6 the Oilers will be looking for AP and hopefully they do it within the rules and play hard and physical against him. Someone may even challenge him to fight. I will say deliberately with premeditated thoughts to injure absolutely need to make an example and root them out of the game, no issue there.
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2023 20:18:09 GMT -6
Vegas takes a penalty a minute into the game and are down 1-0 already, lol
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2023 20:19:29 GMT -6
Eichel answers immediately
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Post by T-man2010 on May 12, 2023 21:45:04 GMT -6
Well that escalated quickly.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 12, 2023 21:58:33 GMT -6
if pietrangelo just gets 1 game for that slash, than kolesar is likely looking at a 75 dollar fine here. : )
likely just a minor if he doesn't get his elbow up behind the head.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 12, 2023 22:30:47 GMT -6
19 goalies have played in at least 4 games in the playoffs.
only 3 have a worse save % than skinner.
surprisingly vasilevskiy and hellebuyck are 2 of them, along with vanacek.
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2023 22:56:15 GMT -6
heckuva win by Vegas. still seems like this goes down to game 7.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 12, 2023 22:59:55 GMT -6
heckuva win by Vegas. still seems like this goes down to game 7. is there any doubt skinner starts game 6? as soon as i post, the panel on the canadian broadcast say they think yes. edit: as in yes, they think he'll start.
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2023 23:10:18 GMT -6
heckuva win by Vegas. still seems like this goes down to game 7. is there any doubt skinner starts game 6? as soon as i post, the panel on the canadian broadcast say they think yes. if the Oil want to lose, they'll start Campbell...
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Post by galaxytrash on May 12, 2023 23:31:24 GMT -6
is there any doubt skinner starts game 6? as soon as i post, the panel on the canadian broadcast say they think yes. if the Oil want to lose, they'll start Campbell... 123 minutes for campbell, .964 and a GAA just over 1. Small sample size, but I doubt woodcroft waits for 4 goals next game if skinner shits the bed.
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Post by steamer on May 13, 2023 8:30:18 GMT -6
if pietrangelo just gets 1 game for that slash, than kolesar is likely looking at a 75 dollar fine here. : ) likely just a minor if he doesn't get his elbow up behind the head. If this is considered to be a “very very dangerous” hit, why aren’t Trouba’s blowing up of players not looking considered in the same vein? Just seems inconsistent from the point of view of protecting players. In both cases someone is trying to hit someone who is not looking as hard as they can.
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Post by BigT on May 13, 2023 8:31:11 GMT -6
I have a hard time imagining the conference finals to be Florida/Carolina Dallas/Vegas. Definitely all south of the Mason Dixon line. Would be nice to have one northern team in there. Since after all it is a northern sport!!!
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Post by BigT on May 13, 2023 8:36:56 GMT -6
if pietrangelo just gets 1 game for that slash, than kolesar is likely looking at a 75 dollar fine here. : ) likely just a minor if he doesn't get his elbow up behind the head. If this is considered to be a “very very dangerous” hit, why aren’t Trouba’s blowing up of players not looking considered in the same vein? Just seems inconsistent from the point of view of protecting players. In both cases someone is trying to hit someone who is not looking as hard as they can. I’m not gonna comment on Trouba’s hits. But that hit there targeted the head straight into the boards. And from behind. I think that’s awful and until the league gives a solid 5 games for that, it’ll continue to happen. What happened there was Ekholm was evading a hit and the Vegan couldn’t handle that and went out of his way to make any contact possible. It should be a good suspension. But it won’t be!!!
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Post by jacksalmon on May 13, 2023 9:11:58 GMT -6
Saying he acted in the heat of the moment is just an excuse for saying he is generally a good guy, but, after it was obvious that his team had lost, it was ok of him to go ahead and try to break Draisaitl's arm. After all, what's an arm in good working order, they can always fix that. Fuck that, it ain't ok and I don't care how you characterize it. He should have been suspended like Torres for trying to break Leon's arm. By the way, next year, when the goons of this fucked up league try to injure Bedard and put him out of action; or intimidate him by hurting him, let's see how you look at it then. Just a heat of moment action? He is generally a quiet, mild mannered fellow? Bedard is just a rookie? Who gives a fuck about a concussion? He is young and has years to recover. I would venture to guess you will be humming a very different tune then.. This is a fucked up league when it comes to protecting its players from serious harm by intentional acts designed to injure or cause serious pain. It doesn't and there ain't no two ways about it. You can call this a tirade, but it is still a fucked up league. Also, please explain for me what harm would have resulted if the fucked up NHL had given AP a 25 game suspension? Was that going to deter players from playing hard to win and giving it their all in a fair manner without dirty plays? Was that going to keep 5000 fans away from games because they would know there wasn't going to be any head banging or arm breaking at NHL games? I said that 1 game was light and probably should have gotten 3 which would have put him out of the series if it went the full 7 games. I also said no excuses, I am just saying why I think he did what he did. We all have choices if you feel the league is that messed up you can either make suggestions to make it better or you can just not watch it. With respects to your question about Bedard and any player for that matter I certainly would not be thrilled.The league does not have an epidemic of their stars being targeted, the players will police that themselves. I bet game 6 the Oilers will be looking for AP and hopefully they do it within the rules and play hard and physical against him. Someone may even challenge him to fight. I will say deliberately with premeditated thoughts to injure absolutely need to make an example and root them out of the game, no issue there. Good enuf for me. I hope that someone will fight him with intent to absolutely injure him badly. One of my favorites in hockey was when Orpik of the Pens leveled Kreijze (sp?) of the Bruins with a dirty hit. While K was lying helpless on the ice, Thornton of the Bruins challenged Orpik to a fight, which he declined. So, Thornton beat the shit out of him anyway, including bouncing his head off the ice when he had him on the ice before the officials broke it up. A fractured skull for Orpik would have been a good outcome. As for your suggestion that I turn away from the NHL. Generally, these dirty plays don't happen very often. I enjoy the game a lot, so will not turn it off completely. Just the same, I hate dirty play with a passion and believe that everything possible should be done to elimiinate it, including severe punishment such as 25 to 30 games for something like AP did. Or, as an alternative, the player can choose to be guillotined. These one game suspensions are bullshit and require that the team of the injured player to extract vengeance with a total beatdown including a Thornton bouncedown of the offending player's head on the ice. When Mayers got after Torres in the Hawk/Yote first encounter after his return from his suspension, it was a total joke. Mayers hit him a couple of times and made sure they were glancing blows, which Torres let him have. Mayers should have taken him down and pounded the shit out of him, including an attempt to fracture his skull on the ice. 25 games was not enough for Torres. He was a complete asshole, who focused on hurting people and should have been thrown out of the league.
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Post by Nikos on May 13, 2023 11:25:51 GMT -6
I said that 1 game was light and probably should have gotten 3 which would have put him out of the series if it went the full 7 games. I also said no excuses, I am just saying why I think he did what he did. We all have choices if you feel the league is that messed up you can either make suggestions to make it better or you can just not watch it. With respects to your question about Bedard and any player for that matter I certainly would not be thrilled.The league does not have an epidemic of their stars being targeted, the players will police that themselves. I bet game 6 the Oilers will be looking for AP and hopefully they do it within the rules and play hard and physical against him. Someone may even challenge him to fight. I will say deliberately with premeditated thoughts to injure absolutely need to make an example and root them out of the game, no issue there. Good enuf for me. I hope that someone will fight him with intent to absolutely injure him badly. One of my favorites in hockey was when Orpik of the Pens leveled Kreijze (sp?) of the Bruins with a dirty hit. While K was lying helpless on the ice, Thornton of the Bruins challenged Orpik to a fight, which he declined. So, Thornton beat the shit out of him anyway, including bouncing his head off the ice when he had him on the ice before the officials broke it up. A fractured skull for Orpik would have been a good outcome. As for your suggestion that I turn away from the NHL. Generally, these dirty plays don't happen very often. I enjoy the game a lot, so will not turn it off completely. Just the same, I hate dirty play with a passion and believe that everything possible should be done to elimiinate it, including severe punishment such as 25 to 30 games for something like AP did. Or, as an alternative, the player can choose to be guillotined. These one game suspensions are bullshit and require that the team of the injured player to extract vengeance with a total beatdown including a Thornton bouncedown of the offending player's head on the ice. When Mayers got after Torres in the Hawk/Yote first encounter after his return from his suspension, it was a total joke. Mayers hit him a couple of times and made sure they were glancing blows, which Torres let him have. Mayers should have taken him down and pounded the shit out of him, including an attempt to fracture his skull on the ice. 25 games was not enough for Torres. He was a complete asshole, who focused on hurting people and should have been thrown out of the league. Jack we agree on a couple things for sure we enjoy the game a lot and hate the dirty play. It will be interesting with the Oilers facing elimination how they respond and do they send a message to AP.
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Post by hsbob on May 13, 2023 12:50:21 GMT -6
Good enuf for me. I hope that someone will fight him with intent to absolutely injure him badly. One of my favorites in hockey was when Orpik of the Pens leveled Kreijze (sp?) of the Bruins with a dirty hit. While K was lying helpless on the ice, Thornton of the Bruins challenged Orpik to a fight, which he declined. So, Thornton beat the shit out of him anyway, including bouncing his head off the ice when he had him on the ice before the officials broke it up. A fractured skull for Orpik would have been a good outcome. As for your suggestion that I turn away from the NHL. Generally, these dirty plays don't happen very often. I enjoy the game a lot, so will not turn it off completely. Just the same, I hate dirty play with a passion and believe that everything possible should be done to elimiinate it, including severe punishment such as 25 to 30 games for something like AP did. Or, as an alternative, the player can choose to be guillotined. These one game suspensions are bullshit and require that the team of the injured player to extract vengeance with a total beatdown including a Thornton bouncedown of the offending player's head on the ice. When Mayers got after Torres in the Hawk/Yote first encounter after his return from his suspension, it was a total joke. Mayers hit him a couple of times and made sure they were glancing blows, which Torres let him have. Mayers should have taken him down and pounded the shit out of him, including an attempt to fracture his skull on the ice. 25 games was not enough for Torres. He was a complete asshole, who focused on hurting people and should have been thrown out of the league. Jack we agree on a couple things for sure we enjoy the game a lot and hate the dirty play. It will be interesting with the Oilers facing elimination how they respond and do they send a message to AP. Is Vegas yet to send a message to the Oil for Kane cross-checking Pietrangelo in the face after play ended in the 1st in game 3,Drystruddle also slashed him in the same game or is that what we saw in game 4? I also saw Stone get flagrantly cross-checked in front of the Oil net with a ref lookin' right at it only to see the Oil go down and score.....that'll piss a team off too.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 13, 2023 17:29:22 GMT -6
pietrangelo doesn't seem to think he got off easy with the one game.
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Post by vadarx on May 13, 2023 18:30:55 GMT -6
pietrangelo doesn't seem to think he got off easy with the one game. I agree that it has been pretty obvious. I'd imagine that could really motivate Vegas, the Oil clearly targeting their captain.
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Post by jacksalmon on May 13, 2023 19:05:37 GMT -6
pietrangelo doesn't seem to think he got off easy with the one game. He's had one too many shots to the head. What he is saying makes no sense and is something uttered at the level of a first grade who has a speech problem. Learn to speak English, moron!!!!! If he is saying he did not get off easy, then he is more of a fucking idiot than he sounds when he speaks.
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Post by jacksalmon on May 13, 2023 19:08:07 GMT -6
Jack we agree on a couple things for sure we enjoy the game a lot and hate the dirty play. It will be interesting with the Oilers facing elimination how they respond and do they send a message to AP. Is Vegas yet to send a message to the Oil for Kane cross-checking Pietrangelo in the face after play ended in the 1st in game 3,Drystruddle also slashed him in the same game or is that what we saw in game 4? I also saw Stone get flagrantly cross-checked in front of the Oil net with a ref lookin' right at it only to see the Oil go down and score.....that'll piss a team off too. Good, I hope they go at each other with sticks, fists and skates. Fuck the game, just get in there and cause mayhem. It will be entertaining and something to talk about and the league will love it and impose some horseshit minimal "punishment".
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Post by galaxytrash on May 13, 2023 19:10:17 GMT -6
pietrangelo doesn't seem to think he got off easy with the one game. I agree that it has been pretty obvious. I'd imagine that could really motivate Vegas, the Oil clearly targeting their captain. i see where you're coming from and don't disagree but i really think pietrangelo is overplaying the victim card here.
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Post by vadarx on May 13, 2023 19:12:12 GMT -6
I agree that it has been pretty obvious. I'd imagine that could really motivate Vegas, the Oil clearly targeting their captain. i see where you're coming from and don't disagree but i really think pietrangelo is overplaying the victim card here. I also agree with that. what he did was bullshit and should've resulted in a harsher punishment. what the Oilers have been doing is also bullshit and I don't blame Vegas for being pissed about it. maybe if the officials would've done something about it right off the bat, things like what he did or Nurse getting a game for a fight wouldn't have happened.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 13, 2023 20:09:38 GMT -6
i see where you're coming from and don't disagree but i really think pietrangelo is overplaying the victim card here. maybe if the officials would've done something about it right off the bat, things like what he did or Nurse getting a game for a fight wouldn't have happened. from george parros' wiki page, when he was promoted to head of player safety. Parros plans on renewing emphasis on slashing and other "nonhockey plays." yeah, right. i think he's got to go.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 13, 2023 20:27:46 GMT -6
maybe if the officials would've done something about it right off the bat, things like what he did or Nurse getting a game for a fight wouldn't have happened. from george parros' wiki page, when he was promoted to head of player safety. Parros plans on renewing emphasis on slashing and other "nonhockey plays." yeah, right. i think he's got to go. Maybe they should hire guys that were injured from dirty plays instead of guys that did dirty plays.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 13, 2023 20:41:38 GMT -6
from george parros' wiki page, when he was promoted to head of player safety. Parros plans on renewing emphasis on slashing and other "nonhockey plays." yeah, right. i think he's got to go. Maybe they should hire guys that were injured from dirty plays instead of guys that did dirty plays. believe it or not, in 493 total nhl games he was never fined or suspended. i wonder if they wouldn't be wise to get someone outside of the sport to head up player safety?
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Post by vadarx on May 13, 2023 20:45:15 GMT -6
from george parros' wiki page, when he was promoted to head of player safety. Parros plans on renewing emphasis on slashing and other "nonhockey plays." yeah, right. i think he's got to go. Maybe they should hire guys that were injured from dirty plays instead of guys that did dirty plays. a novel concept! you're hired.
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