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Post by hsbob on Jan 11, 2024 11:55:34 GMT -6
Tending to think it’s something to be learned by the smaller puck carrying forwards - unfortunately. But if the entries are encouraged to be done that way then that’s a problem. I can’t imagine entry against a stacked blue line was never discussed but I can imagine a very confident and talented young guy who is used to some success stick handling through still thinking he can do it at this level. I don't mean to doubt any of Bedard's coaches or teammates,all of have proved to have the kid's best interest at heart so far. My only point's been,there's not a single former or current elite forward anywhere in sight with Hall out to share the perspective of 'head-manning' a fast moving play on the rush against 'certain' defenders and surviving. Can't share a perspective you don't have. Patrick Kane is one of many small to medium sized,elite forwards who successfully navigated the physical perils of the league throughout the vast majority of his career and other young forwards who broke-in with him learned this from watching and playing with the future HoF great. Of course,it helps when a forward can make his living on the perimeter, but Kane led plenty of rushes himself in some of the most physical PO series in memory and came out unscathed. Patrick Kane used his skating ability,on-ice vision and awareness to avoid most if not all of those big hits to the point opponents just stopped trying and backed-off when he had the puck. Panarin broke-in with Kane and stays healthy,TT seems to stay in the line-up for the Canes,Saad stays healthy and Lil' Alex DeBrincat is yet to miss a game to injury. I think all four had a strong bond with Kane too,I know the Breadman and D-Cat did/do.
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Post by steamer on Jan 11, 2024 13:31:38 GMT -6
Tending to think it’s something to be learned by the smaller puck carrying forwards - unfortunately. But if the entries are encouraged to be done that way then that’s a problem. I can’t imagine entry against a stacked blue line was never discussed but I can imagine a very confident and talented young guy who is used to some success stick handling through still thinking he can do it at this level. I don't mean to doubt any of Bedard's coaches or teammates,all of have proved to have the kid's best interest at heart so far. My only point's been,there's not a single former or current elite forward anywhere in sight with Hall out to share the perspective of 'head-manning' a fast moving play on the rush against 'certain' defenders and surviving. Can't share a perspective you don't have. Patrick Kane is one of many small to medium sized,elite forwards who successfully navigated the physical perils of the league throughout the vast majority of his career and other young forwards who broke-in with him learned this from watching and playing with the future HoF great. Of course,it helps when a forward can make his living on the perimeter, but Kane led plenty of rushes himself in some of the most physical PO series in memory and came out unscathed. Patrick Kane used his skating ability,on-ice vision and awareness to avoid most if not all of those big hits to the point opponents just stopped trying and backed-off when he had the puck. Panarin broke-in with Kane and stays healthy,TT seems to stay in the line-up for the Canes,Saad stays healthy and Lil' Alex DeBrincat is yet to miss a game to injury. I think all four had a strong bond with Kane too,I know the Breadman and D-Cat did/do. Good example of where Kane could have been a big help. Sorry he’s not still with the Hawks but I guess that ship has sailed.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 11, 2024 13:59:42 GMT -6
I don't mean to doubt any of Bedard's coaches or teammates,all of have proved to have the kid's best interest at heart so far. My only point's been,there's not a single former or current elite forward anywhere in sight with Hall out to share the perspective of 'head-manning' a fast moving play on the rush against 'certain' defenders and surviving. Can't share a perspective you don't have. Patrick Kane is one of many small to medium sized,elite forwards who successfully navigated the physical perils of the league throughout the vast majority of his career and other young forwards who broke-in with him learned this from watching and playing with the future HoF great. Of course,it helps when a forward can make his living on the perimeter, but Kane led plenty of rushes himself in some of the most physical PO series in memory and came out unscathed. Patrick Kane used his skating ability,on-ice vision and awareness to avoid most if not all of those big hits to the point opponents just stopped trying and backed-off when he had the puck. Panarin broke-in with Kane and stays healthy,TT seems to stay in the line-up for the Canes,Saad stays healthy and Lil' Alex DeBrincat is yet to miss a game to injury. I think all four had a strong bond with Kane too,I know the Breadman and D-Cat did/do. Good example of where Kane could have been a big help. Sorry he’s not still with the Hawks but I guess that ship has sailed. And an example of where a similar player would be a BIG help in the future. I'm not trying to grind the Kane issue,just pointing-out that different advice comes from different perspectives. I was watching a Wings/Habs game a while back,and they showed St-Louis working with Caufield(who'd been in a slump)at morning skate on pulling the puck into his body to change direction before he shoots,and dam if he didn't do just that in that night's game. Who's gonna do that with Bedard in Chicago when neccessary......Derek King?
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 12, 2024 10:43:12 GMT -6
Kane broke his wrist, and hurt his leg, injury's are part of the game , to blame the org because they didn't keep kane to show CB how not to get injured , seems silly to me , who ever was supposed to show Kane , didn't do a very good job, if that's your way of thinking ,
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Post by hsbob on Jan 12, 2024 11:52:46 GMT -6
Kane broke his wrist, and hurt his leg, injury's are part of the game , to blame the org because they didn't keep kane to show CB how not to get injured , seems silly to me , who ever was supposed to show Kane , didn't do a very good job, if that's your way of thinking , I went out of my way to say I had no doubt his coaches and teammates had his best interest at hart and I admired the team's response to his injury,you just consider anything that questions any FO move silly. I also noted that Taylor Hall coulda been that former elite player to help Bedard through the rough patches if he wasn't out. He was the former #1 over-all who was gonna help the kid with adjusting to 'CERTAIN' parts of the game......wasn't that why he was brought in? I listed plenty of examples to make the point that you consider silly but I stand behind that point. Who on the current roster or coaching staff or FO can identify with playing the game the way Connor Bedard plays the game? Patrick Kane played em all as a rookie,had 80 sophmore starts,played em all again in his 3rd year,missed 9 games his 4th year,played em all AGAIN his 5th season and missed one game in the lock-out shortened '12-13' season. He also skated in all 74 grueling PO games his team played over that time-span,winning two cups. He missed 13 games to injury in '13-14' following a long cup run and 21(his longest absence ever) games the following year with a broken collar-bone before his triumphant return.........he missed ONE game to injury over the next four years. The guy missed 83 games to injury over 17 seasons coming into this one(4.8 games per) and I don't recall him ever not answering the bell in any of his teams 143 PO games............he's been remarkably durable! Nice try though.
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Post by Nikos on Jan 12, 2024 12:52:55 GMT -6
Kane broke his wrist, and hurt his leg, injury's are part of the game , to blame the org because they didn't keep kane to show CB how not to get injured , seems silly to me , who ever was supposed to show Kane , didn't do a very good job, if that's your way of thinking , Broken collarbone not wrist in 2015.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 15:01:22 GMT -6
skating with foligno and savoie.
hell...if "clenching his jaw" is a no-no, they'd best not let him watch the hawks play lately.
edit: richardson's maintaining his sense of humor at least.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jan 15, 2024 15:53:06 GMT -6
skating with foligno and savoie. hell...if "clenching his jaw" is a no-no, they'd best not let him watch the hawks play lately. He can still roll his eyes...that shouldn't affect his jaw.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 23:34:01 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 19, 2024 18:24:55 GMT -6
not a very shocking bit of data but a very telling one.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 22, 2024 18:16:07 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jan 22, 2024 23:28:30 GMT -6
boooooo my fantasy team needs their young leader back!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jan 23, 2024 10:08:14 GMT -6
I read it somewhere in response to Bedard skating and whether or not he is ahead of schedule – the answer/opinion was “no, that he’s on schedule and would be out 6-8 weeks”. He had the surgery on Monday the 8th which means that if he stays on schedule we should expect his return 4-6 weeks from yesterday – Monday the 22nd.
Counting off 4-6 more Mondays on the calendar:
1/29 2/5 2/12 2/19 – 6 weeks from surgery 2/26 3/4 – 8 weeks from surgery
So, if he requires the full 8 weeks to recover before he can return – the first game back would be on the 4th against Colorado, or the game the next night on the 5th against Arizona. From the game on the 4th until the end of the season there are 21 games – 13 in March and 8 in April.
If he comes back and scores at the same ppg that he did through the first 39 games he played (0.85) – he should end up with 51 points. The closest players in rookie scoring are the 2 guys from Minnesota (Faber and Rossi) who currently have 27 points with a ppg of 0.59 – if they play the rest of the season at the same ppg they will end up with 48 points.
Maybe Bedsy still has a shot at the Calder.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 23, 2024 16:30:36 GMT -6
I read it somewhere in response to Bedard skating and whether or not he is ahead of schedule – the answer/opinion was “no, that he’s on schedule and would be out 6-8 weeks”. He had the surgery on Monday the 8th which means that if he stays on schedule we should expect his return 4-6 weeks from yesterday – Monday the 22nd. Counting off 4-6 more Mondays on the calendar: 1/29 2/5 2/12 2/19 – 6 weeks from surgery 2/26 3/4 – 8 weeks from surgery So, if he requires the full 8 weeks to recover before he can return – the first game back would be on the 4th against Colorado, or the game the next night on the 5th against Arizona. From the game on the 4th until the end of the season there are 21 games – 13 in March and 8 in April. If he comes back and scores at the same ppg that he did through the first 39 games he played (0.85) – he should end up with 51 points. The closest players in rookie scoring are the 2 guys from Minnesota (Faber and Rossi) who currently have 27 points with a ppg of 0.59 – if they play the rest of the season at the same ppg they will end up with 48 points. Maybe Bedsy still has a shot at the Calder. The kids a freak, he'll probably be back before the 8 weeks and now that he knows he can play in the NHL, he's probably learning a lot while watching.
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Post by vadarx on Jan 24, 2024 1:38:19 GMT -6
I read it somewhere in response to Bedard skating and whether or not he is ahead of schedule – the answer/opinion was “no, that he’s on schedule and would be out 6-8 weeks”. He had the surgery on Monday the 8th which means that if he stays on schedule we should expect his return 4-6 weeks from yesterday – Monday the 22nd. Counting off 4-6 more Mondays on the calendar: 1/29 2/5 2/12 2/19 – 6 weeks from surgery 2/26 3/4 – 8 weeks from surgery So, if he requires the full 8 weeks to recover before he can return – the first game back would be on the 4th against Colorado, or the game the next night on the 5th against Arizona. From the game on the 4th until the end of the season there are 21 games – 13 in March and 8 in April. If he comes back and scores at the same ppg that he did through the first 39 games he played (0.85) – he should end up with 51 points. The closest players in rookie scoring are the 2 guys from Minnesota (Faber and Rossi) who currently have 27 points with a ppg of 0.59 – if they play the rest of the season at the same ppg they will end up with 48 points. Maybe Bedsy still has a shot at the Calder. The kids a freak, he'll probably be back before the 8 weeks and now that he knows he can play in the NHL, he's probably learning a lot while watching. I wish, but they basically said he is taking the full 8 weeks the other day. I'm sure there is no rush to bring him back before every cell is fused back together.
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Post by Hockey is great on Feb 12, 2024 15:15:21 GMT -6
Bedard expected back next week
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 12, 2024 15:45:35 GMT -6
The kids a freak, he'll probably be back before the 8 weeks and now that he knows he can play in the NHL, he's probably learning a lot while watching. I wish, but they basically said he is taking the full 8 weeks the other day. I'm sure there is no rush to bring him back before every cell is fused back together. Your wish is granted, I didn't think it'd be the full 8 weeks.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2024 15:53:42 GMT -6
Bedard expected back next week *to practice. hopefully he will play next week as well, but we will see. I'm guessing he gets Monday off (@ the 'canes) and comes back on Wednesday @ home (if cleared).
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2024 15:54:54 GMT -6
I wish, but they basically said he is taking the full 8 weeks the other day. I'm sure there is no rush to bring him back before every cell is fused back together. Your wish is granted, I didn't think it'd be the full 8 weeks. not yet, but it looks like they've backed off their initial "he's taking all 8 weeks" statement. someone needs to score some goals here!
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Post by Hockey is great on Feb 12, 2024 16:31:15 GMT -6
Bedard expected back next week *to practice. hopefully he will play next week as well, but we will see. I'm guessing he gets Monday off (@ the 'canes) and comes back on Wednesday @ home (if cleared). Monday will be his final doctor’s appointment and then they want him to have at least a practice or two in. Weds is the earliest it seems
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Post by BigT on Feb 12, 2024 18:24:43 GMT -6
*to practice. hopefully he will play next week as well, but we will see. I'm guessing he gets Monday off (@ the 'canes) and comes back on Wednesday @ home (if cleared). Monday will be his final doctor’s appointment and then they want him to have at least a practice or two in. Weds is the earliest it seems What about fighting? When is he allowed to fight again? These are the important questions!!!
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Post by Hockey is great on Feb 12, 2024 18:30:27 GMT -6
Monday will be his final doctor’s appointment and then they want him to have at least a practice or two in. Weds is the earliest it seems What about fighting? When is he allowed to fight again? These are the important questions!!! First face off. Dropping gloves and the fish bowl
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 13, 2024 16:44:25 GMT -6
If there's a positive to Bedard being out for 6 weeks is that he would've won the Hawks some games and extra points. That might take them out of a top3 pick, especially with the team playing better D and Mrazek dialed in.
And just like with the change in Bedards shot after his broken wrist, this will probably change him for the better. Especially knowing he can play in the NHL.
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 15, 2024 1:23:05 GMT -6
If there's a positive to Bedard being out for 6 weeks is that he would've won the Hawks some games and extra points. That might take then out of a top3 pick, especially with the team playing better D and Mrazek dialed in. And just like with the change in Bedards shot after his broken wrist, this will probably change him for the better. Especially knowing he can play in the NHL. I suspect there is not one cell in his body that doubts it.
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Post by Hockey is great on Feb 15, 2024 11:49:45 GMT -6
Friedman reports the hawks are checking with doctors about a potential bedard return tonight.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Feb 15, 2024 12:35:12 GMT -6
Friedman reports the hawks are checking with doctors about a potential bedard return tonight. Ka-ray-zee.
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Post by Hockey is great on Feb 15, 2024 12:58:17 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Feb 15, 2024 13:13:30 GMT -6
Holy Shamoly! Totally unforeseen that he would return prior to 6 week threshold. But AWESOME!
Can anyone doubt Bedard was lobbying for a return against his boyhood hero Crosby? Good news also is that the Pens are not one of the more physical teams to play against.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 15, 2024 13:31:23 GMT -6
Let's face it, an 18 year old heals a lot faster than we would, if at all.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 15, 2024 14:33:12 GMT -6
hells yeah!
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