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Post by tincup on Nov 15, 2024 12:36:15 GMT -6
That’s it right there. Why are they doing this constantly? Every game new line mashups. It’s almost like they’re hoping to re-sign him for less by sabotaging his linemates. Maybe he’ll sign this summer for 9 million a year instead of 13? If I were him. I wouldn’t sign long term until I seen the direction of the team. I definitely wouldn’t sign this summer. I’d wait till the end of my deal to see how if KD is a GM trying to hold onto his job by saying “patience” constantly. Right now. Bedard will get 50-60 points and not be at his potential. Wait out this deal till 2026, and sign a 1 year deal for 9 million to see where the team is. If they’re nowhere special. Tell them you want 16 million or trade me!!! Business is business. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Nov 15, 2024 17:43:13 GMT -6
That’s it right there. Why are they doing this constantly? Every game new line mashups. It’s almost like they’re hoping to re-sign him for less by sabotaging his linemates. Maybe he’ll sign this summer for 9 million a year instead of 13? If I were him. I wouldn’t sign long term until I seen the direction of the team. I definitely wouldn’t sign this summer. I’d wait till the end of my deal to see how if KD is a GM trying to hold onto his job by saying “patience” constantly. Right now. Bedard will get 50-60 points and not be at his potential. Wait out this deal till 2026, and sign a 1 year deal for 9 million to see where the team is. If they’re nowhere special. Tell them you want 16 million or trade me!!! I am going to be controversial here and fire the first salvo. As it stands now, Bedard is maybe on track for about a dozen or so goals and 60pts. He's not wowing anyone with his play. You understand hockey much better than I do, and I am sure you see something that I don't. What I see is a Patrick Kane type player at best, which wouldn't be bad, I reckon. Although, he's neither as good of a skater nor does he seem to have Kane's instincts. If he's, in fact, falling short of his potential, then something -- don't know what -- needs to be done. At the moment, it does not appear that Bedard is a game changer in the mold of McDavid or MacKinnon or Crosby or Mathews. Let's hope that he lives up to the hype. At the moment, he is the best of that Draft, but it's not a given that it'll be the case in a few years. Some of it may be that the losing culture that the Hawks have become accustomed to is very hard to shake. They bring almost an entirely new personnel, but nothing seems to be changing. In the previous rising from the dead, the Hawks were fortunate to have Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Sharp all come in into their own at about the same time. This is not the case today. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 15, 2024 18:09:07 GMT -6
It’s almost like they’re hoping to re-sign him for less by sabotaging his linemates. Maybe he’ll sign this summer for 9 million a year instead of 13? If I were him. I wouldn’t sign long term until I seen the direction of the team. I definitely wouldn’t sign this summer. I’d wait till the end of my deal to see how if KD is a GM trying to hold onto his job by saying “patience” constantly. Right now. Bedard will get 50-60 points and not be at his potential. Wait out this deal till 2026, and sign a 1 year deal for 9 million to see where the team is. If they’re nowhere special. Tell them you want 16 million or trade me!!! I am going to be controversial here and fire the first salvo. As it stands now, Bedard is maybe on track for about a dozen or so goals and 60pts. He's not wowing anyone with his play. You understand hockey much better than I do, and I am sure you see something that I don't. What I see is a Patrick Kane type player at best, which wouldn't be bad, I reckon. Although, he's neither as good of a skater nor does he seem to have Kane's instincts. If he's, in fact, falling short of his potential, then something -- don't know what -- needs to be done. At the moment, it does not appear that Bedard is a game changer in the mold of McDavid or MacKinnon or Crosby or Mathews. Let's hope that he lives up to the hype. At the moment, he is the best of that Draft, but it's not a given that it'll be the case in a few years. Some of it may be that the losing culture that the Hawks have become accustomed to is very hard to shake. They bring almost an entirely new personnel, but nothing seems to be changing. In the previous rising from the dead, the Hawks were fortunate to have Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Sharp all come in into their own at about the same time. This is not the case today. There might come a point when management decides that shopping Bedard might be the best course of action. My preference always has been to build around the horses who do the heavy lifting - the big two-way centres (Kopitar/Forsberg/Toews) and the 25 minute/game defencemen (Keith/Pronger/Doughty). I understand that Denis Savard/Kane/Bedard types provide the excitement, but are they really the essential pieces? Should the right trade package present itself, I would not hesitate. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 15, 2024 18:32:55 GMT -6
Big T has mentioned the potential damage being done to Bedard's confidence and development playing on this aging roster.
I agree that this should be a major concern. Bedard has few players to play with. He is being targeted and is lining up against the other team's shut down players with virtually no scoring support. There is almost nobody his age on the roster.
Many great prospects lose their way because of poor development and an unhealthy team environment. Bedard is too good not to become an impact all star type player, but he might not become a franchise type if not handled correctly. If we don't see progress by this point next year, I think the best approach is to kick the can down the road and look to trade Bedard for high-quality futures.
But Davidson would have to admit then that his entire approach was misguided and damaging.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Nov 15, 2024 20:19:54 GMT -6
Just read an article about Bedards parents selling his childhood home, where he grew up, learning and playing hockey. I guess he got a little emotional talking about it. He's unhappy about it. IDK if it's effecting his play, but he's pretty upset about it, from what the article says,
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2024 21:15:06 GMT -6
Just read an article about Bedards parents selling his childhood home, where he grew up, learning and playing hockey. I guess he got a little emotional talking about it. He's unhappy about it. IDK if it's effecting his play, but he's pretty upset about it, from what the article says, can you post it or say where it's from? |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Nov 15, 2024 21:21:15 GMT -6
Big T has mentioned the potential damage being done to Bedard's confidence and development playing on this aging roster. I agree that this should be a major concern. Bedard has few players to play with. He is being targeted and is lining up against the other team's shut down players with virtually no scoring support. There is almost nobody his age on the roster. Many great prospects lose their way because of poor development and an unhealthy team environment. Bedard is too good not to become an impact all star type player, but he might not become a franchise type if not handled correctly. If we don't see progress by this point next year, I think the best approach is to kick the can down the road and look to trade Bedard for high-quality futures. But Davidson would have to admit then that his entire approach was misguided and damaging. There are a lot of things that impact a young athlete's development, including a good support framework; the expectations; the overall environment. As you and Big T pointed out there are no players close to his age. Back in the day, Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook were all reasonably close. As well Bolland and others. Could it be that Bedard would be better off elsewhere? It's a valid question. I am not sure what the Hawks can do, but it does seem that they can't shed their losing ways and it's impacting Bedard. I know it's been discussed ad nauseum -- and you, mvr, in particular have mentioned it a few times -- but the whole cynical way that this team was disassembled in order to tank has contributed to the current ethos of this team -- and it's not good. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 15, 2024 22:48:51 GMT -6
Big T has mentioned the potential damage being done to Bedard's confidence and development playing on this aging roster. I agree that this should be a major concern. Bedard has few players to play with. He is being targeted and is lining up against the other team's shut down players with virtually no scoring support. There is almost nobody his age on the roster. Many great prospects lose their way because of poor development and an unhealthy team environment. Bedard is too good not to become an impact all star type player, but he might not become a franchise type if not handled correctly. If we don't see progress by this point next year, I think the best approach is to kick the can down the road and look to trade Bedard for high-quality futures. But Davidson would have to admit then that his entire approach was misguided and damaging. There are a lot of things that impact a young athlete's development, including a good support framework; the expectations; the overall environment. As you and Big T pointed out there are no players close to his age. Back in the day, Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook were all reasonably close. As well Bolland and others. Could it be that Bedard would be better off elsewhere? It's a valid question. I am not sure what the Hawks can do, but it does seem that they can't shed their losing ways and it's impacting Bedard. I know it's been discussed ad nauseum -- and you, mvr, in particular have mentioned it a few times -- but the whole cynical way that this team was disassembled in order to tank has contributed to the current ethos of this team -- and it's not good. They still had good players when they tanked. Kane, Strome, Hagel etc. was it really necessary to strip it this far down? This is a gawd dam expansion team. The roster will be turned over 3-4 times before anything gets accomplished. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The Hawks need at least one more top 3 pick. Maybe 2. The tanking is far from over. The Hawks are currently bottom 3-4. They will finish there. Then in the coming years there’s more massive turnover. I think KD will have to go soon. We will need a more aggressive approach to the rebuild. I personally see at least 3 consecutive picks in the bottom 5!!! |
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