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Post by BigT on Oct 24, 2023 21:32:51 GMT -6
I think Korchinski heads back to juniors and Kaiser gets sent to AHL. See what a couple of the other young D can do. Not sure what they can do with the forwards outside of letting Entwhistle play. You said it best with the schedule. It is tough for the kids. It’ll only get easier. This is the problem with massive turnover. It’ll take 2 months to figure each other out. Hawks may get the 1st overall this year again. And I’m ok with that. The rebuild has just begun, need to get a few more top end guys. I still think we need one more high end dman!!!
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Post by tincup on Oct 24, 2023 21:35:36 GMT -6
I think Korchinski heads back to juniors and Kaiser gets sent to AHL. See what a couple of the other young D can do. Not sure what they can do with the forwards outside of letting Entwhistle play. Not sure how the defence is responsible for such an offensively challenged team. If the forwards were better and they could own the puck more it’d look a lot better. Seriously, how many of these guys are, or have potential to be, top six forwards. Three or four maybe? And one is hurt and two are rookies. On the plus side, we’re loaded with fourth liners. Every once in awhile hard work is going to pay off but talent wins out in the end and there’s not enough yet. I’m just looking for effort and improvement. Going to be pretty painful for awhile.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 24, 2023 21:46:28 GMT -6
Outmanned again. Boston's physical play dominates the Hawks. Even veterans like Jones, Murphy and Tinordi are just rubbed off along the boards like they're lightweights. Plus they're slower than the Boston forecheckers so they're constantly chasing the puck. Even when a Hawks player gets to the puck first the Boston player simply checks his stick and then outmuscles him. Very frustrating but this is the way it's going to be all year against the big boy teams. Hopefully it will be more fun against the other lower echelon teams.
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Post by phill9 on Oct 24, 2023 21:55:34 GMT -6
I think Korchinski heads back to juniors and Kaiser gets sent to AHL. See what a couple of the other young D can do. Not sure what they can do with the forwards outside of letting Entwhistle play. Not sure how the defence is responsible for such an offensively challenged team. If the forwards were better and they could own the puck more it’d look a lot better. Seriously, how many of these guys are, or have potential to be, top six forwards. Three or four maybe? And one is hurt and two are rookies. On the plus side, we’re loaded with fourth liners. Every once in awhile hard work is going to pay off but talent wins out in the end and there’s not enough yet. I’m just looking for effort and improvement. Going to be pretty painful for awhile. It's not laying blame on the young D, it's not putting KK thru this plus giving the other young D like Phillips, EDM, etc time. If Korchinski is the top defenseman in the Hawks system, I don't want to see him go thru this type of futility, especially with the positive way Vlasic has played. And I agree with the forwards, the one who has stood out for his hustle more then anything else is Katchouk.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 24, 2023 22:38:36 GMT -6
I’d like to see the Hawks have a better scoring attack. I think they should try and get the offensive game going. Hawks are probably the lowest scoring team this year!!! According to the ESPN graphic, their current scoring average is worse than last year's. But, there is still time to get better, if that is possible.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 24, 2023 22:40:00 GMT -6
Outmanned again. Boston's physical play dominates the Hawks. Even veterans like Jones, Murphy and Tinordi are just rubbed off along the boards like they're lightweights. Plus they're slower than the Boston forecheckers so they're constantly chasing the puck. Even when a Hawks player gets to the puck first the Boston player simply checks his stick and then outmuscles him. Very frustrating but this is the way it's going to be all year against the big boy teams. Hopefully it will be more fun against the other lower echelon teams. Yes, one has to hope that they will do better against those other lower tier teams, but there can't be that many of them. The Hawks are pretty brutal.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 24, 2023 22:47:18 GMT -6
I'll bet Korchinski has some nightmares tonight after that giveaway led to the first goal. Skate the puck out, Kevin, instead of just throwing a blind pass along the board and hoping some Hawk gets it. Obviously, there is still no offense. Think about how much easier it was for Kane to demonstrate his skills when he first came up and was on a team with many skilled offensive players. Assume that Bedard is Kane's equivalent and one can see how hard it must be on Bedard to have no one to work with in scoring. Too bad his goal got called back for it was a fine shot and so well placed.
Reichel had a great chance for his first, but his shot placement was awful and he did not get it. I wonder if he has some serious deficiencies in his game. He sure hasn't shown much. It looks like it is going to be hard watching this team. It is hard to see how there will much improvement as the season goes on, but maybe it will happen. For me, right now, I don't see enough skill on offense to expect that there will an improving offensive game as the year goes on. It will be interesting to see how Bedard handles failure and the difficulties he will face on this brutal team. I am sure he has never experienced anything like it before in his playing days. I hope he will figure he is just on a learning curve and that things will get better, so he can keep his attitude in a positive state. It is going to be difficult to do so, though.
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Post by malagahawks on Oct 24, 2023 22:58:02 GMT -6
Man, that disallowed goal for Bedard was the beginning of the end. It just really deflated the team after that. It was 15-11 SOG at one point after but snowballed and they outshot us 29-13 the rest of the way putting on a clinic. Peeps have it right in saying we just have no top 6 talent to go with Bedard. Reichel has been bad this year after only 7 games and frankly I don't think he is cut out to be a 2C. I think we end this gauntlet maybe with a 2-9 record with some luck. I just don't know how we let other forwards blow past the D, that unassisted goal was embarrasingly bad. Oh well, Bedsy is in for a long season of growing pains.
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Post by tincup on Oct 24, 2023 23:15:23 GMT -6
Not sure how the defence is responsible for such an offensively challenged team. If the forwards were better and they could own the puck more it’d look a lot better. Seriously, how many of these guys are, or have potential to be, top six forwards. Three or four maybe? And one is hurt and two are rookies. On the plus side, we’re loaded with fourth liners. Every once in awhile hard work is going to pay off but talent wins out in the end and there’s not enough yet. I’m just looking for effort and improvement. Going to be pretty painful for awhile. It's not laying blame on the young D, it's not putting KK thru this plus giving the other young D like Phillips, EDM, etc time. If Korchinski is the top defenseman in the Hawks system, I don't want to see him go thru this type of futility, especially with the positive way Vlasic has played. And I agree with the forwards, the one who has stood out for his hustle more than anything else is Katchouk. Philips maybe. He’s put in the work. I don’t know who else. I’d leave the others be for now. The other option is one that was brought up before, trading on the cheap and getting Boqvist back.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 24, 2023 23:44:21 GMT -6
Well that turned ugly quickly. They did not win many 1 on 1 battles. Things were better at the dot but then they just give up the puck, gonna be a long year. Im done with Perry seen enough of his coasting back on D in 2 home game I dont need the kids to see this effort. Great penalty kill from Murf 3 block on 1 shift then a lot of garbage. Trying to find a positive I guess that would be pickle. Fuck look at the next 6 games good grief!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 24, 2023 23:49:28 GMT -6
It's not laying blame on the young D, it's not putting KK thru this plus giving the other young D like Phillips, EDM, etc time. If Korchinski is the top defenseman in the Hawks system, I don't want to see him go thru this type of futility, especially with the positive way Vlasic has played. And I agree with the forwards, the one who has stood out for his hustle more than anything else is Katchouk. Philips maybe. He’s put in the work. I don’t know who else. I’d leave the others be for now. The other option is one that was brought up before, trading on the cheap and getting Boqvist back. Maybe sign Ethan Bear and let him get abused. send WK to the hogs. Kor back to juniors.Also I was call an idiot for wanting to wait on 27. Are we still signing him to a 5x5 thids year
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Post by malagahawks on Oct 25, 2023 1:28:43 GMT -6
Hard, sober facts my peeps after 7 games:
1. Shots on goal PG: 26 2. Shot on goal against PG: 36 (2nd worst differential in the league) 3. Face-off %: 39% (Worst in league) 4. PP%: 6.7 (4th worst in league) 5. Goals for/scored: 14 in 7 games (2 PG which is 5th worst in the league)
Small sample size but it ain't pretty. And we have been shutout in 2 games already.
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Post by BigT on Oct 25, 2023 6:07:22 GMT -6
I love the Perry signing. I just don’t believe he should be on the top pp. I get it he goes to the net. But I think the Hawks need to play the shit outta the young kids there. I think Reichel and Bedard should get a chance to play together and not place holders!!!
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Post by mikeveisor on Oct 25, 2023 7:19:20 GMT -6
I did not see the game but have caught all the others. Luke’s postgame remarks are a further lesson for the team not to be satisfied with “you gave a good effort.” I’d like to see KK stay, do the WJC when the time comes; swap Kaiser (who reminds me of Duncan Keith in his first handful of games - speedy but often lost) for the most deserving Ice Hog D-man. Not as a demotion but to hopefully mimic the Vlasic development approach - work things out on the farm in all situations. Attachments:
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Post by vadarx on Oct 25, 2023 9:45:40 GMT -6
time to find 98 someone who can play with him. 23 looked alright there late last night, I hope we continue to see him there. maybe Reichel too
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Post by tincup on Oct 25, 2023 10:29:41 GMT -6
time to find 98 someone who can play with him. 23 looked alright there late last night, I hope we continue to see him there. maybe Reichel too Hall is now out for weeks. Why not try thinking about an old vet like Kessel or even a reclamation project like Puhljujarvi? The latter has no claim to his former status but coming off of seasons where injuries required him to have double hip surgery it might be expected that he play better now. theathletic.com/4978680/2023/10/19/nhl-free-agents-kessel-kane-parise/#http://instagram.com/p/CytWsZTOHNI
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 25, 2023 10:51:15 GMT -6
time to find 98 someone who can play with him. 23 looked alright there late last night, I hope we continue to see him there. maybe Reichel too I just noticed that Poitras, who scored last night when he blew by Perry to go in alone on Mrazek, has 4 points in 6 games with 3 goals and is just 19. So, if he can do it why can't Reichel? Two possibilites, Poitras plays with a much better team and linemates; and/or Reichel just doesn't have it. Hey, all the potential stars don't actually develop into stars, so perhaps the Hawks will have to go back to the 2024 draft night to get someone to play with Bedard. Getting Bedard won't solve all their deficiencies as many have pointed out here. I wonder how Bedard will handle two, three or four years of failure after having had so much success. Too bad for him he couldn't have gotten more skillful teammates when he was drafted.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 25, 2023 11:01:29 GMT -6
What about Frost from Philly in Torts doghouse has skill wont come cheap but worth a look.
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Post by tincup on Oct 25, 2023 11:44:22 GMT -6
What about Frost from Philly in Torts doghouse has skill wont come cheap but worth a look. There was talk of a Frost/Pinto deal. Might be an idea to worm in there somehow. Torterella has his own way of motivating players, Frost is an offensive type centre who seems to have no place in Torts lineup at the moment. He’d be a nice addition as a second line centre here if they insist on going young. It would free up Reichel unless it’d be something like Frost to Chicago, Pinto to the Flyers and Reichel to the Sens so they can have an all German line.
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 25, 2023 12:33:58 GMT -6
Not sure how the defence is responsible for such an offensively challenged team. If the forwards were better and they could own the puck more it’d look a lot better. Seriously, how many of these guys are, or have potential to be, top six forwards. Three or four maybe? And one is hurt and two are rookies. On the plus side, we’re loaded with fourth liners. Every once in awhile hard work is going to pay off but talent wins out in the end and there’s not enough yet. I’m just looking for effort and improvement. Going to be pretty painful for awhile. It's not laying blame on the young D, it's not putting KK thru this plus giving the other young D like Phillips, EDM, etc time. If Korchinski is the top defenseman in the Hawks system, I don't want to see him go thru this type of futility, especially with the positive way Vlasic has played. And I agree with the forwards, the one who has stood out for his hustle more then anything else is Katchouk. As I mentioned previously, neither Keith nor Seabrook had Aucoin or Cullimore ruin their games. I don't think keeping Korch up will necessarily ruin his game. And, it's not like Keith's D in 2005-6 was good. Yes, I am aware Korch has lightyears to go to remotely be Keith. I don't think Staying up will ruin Korch, nor do I think going down will. He's proven he's good enough to stay though. He's not a Runblad-level liability.
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Post by steamer on Oct 25, 2023 12:41:13 GMT -6
I had supported not rushing him and perhaps give him another year of seasoning. But I now believe he should stay. Yes he’s young and green and if Rockford were an option maybe that would be helpful. I say keep him on the team.
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Post by tincup on Oct 25, 2023 13:13:05 GMT -6
It's not laying blame on the young D, it's not putting KK thru this plus giving the other young D like Phillips, EDM, etc time. If Korchinski is the top defenseman in the Hawks system, I don't want to see him go thru this type of futility, especially with the positive way Vlasic has played. And I agree with the forwards, the one who has stood out for his hustle more then anything else is Katchouk. As I mentioned previously, neither Keith nor Seabrook had Aucoin or Cullimore ruin their games. I don't think keeping Korch up will necessarily ruin his game. And, it's not like Keith's D in 2005-6 was good. Yes, I am aware Korch has lightyears to go to remotely be Keith. I don't think Staying up will ruin Korch, nor do I think going down will. He's proven he's good enough to stay though. He's not a Runblad-level liability. This is where Euro draftees get a developmental break, they’re able to hone their games in the AHL as teens, like the two taken before Korchinski, Nemec and Jiricek. Even though Seattle lost a lot of drafted players from last year’s stacked team, they’re still off to a good start. Korchinski would immediately become the top defenceman probably playing with late pick Jeremy Hanzel. I’m good either way. I’m wondering how Shane Wright got a special exemption to go th the AHL. Is that an expansion thing? Nice if Korchinski could get the same deal.
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Post by BigT on Oct 25, 2023 13:37:59 GMT -6
What about Frost from Philly in Torts doghouse has skill wont come cheap but worth a look. Frosty the goal man!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 25, 2023 14:00:05 GMT -6
What about Frost from Philly in Torts doghouse has skill wont come cheap but worth a look. I remember when it got Frosty here in Canada at the World Juniors, he's small but there's a lot of fight in that guy. I recently dumped him from my fantasy team because he's been a healthy scratch, KD should look into getting him.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 25, 2023 14:03:51 GMT -6
time to find 98 someone who can play with him. 23 looked alright there late last night, I hope we continue to see him there. maybe Reichel too Hall is now out for weeks. Why not try thinking about an old vet like Kessel or even a reclamation project like Puhljujarvi? The latter has no claim to his former status but coming off of seasons where injuries required him to have double hip surgery it might be expected that he play better now. theathletic.com/4978680/2023/10/19/nhl-free-agents-kessel-kane-parise/#http://instagram.com/p/CytWsZTOHNI I'd definitely take a shot with the big right handed winger, he was rushed in Edmonton and never found his game. He looks rejuvenated and ready for a second chance.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 25, 2023 14:38:27 GMT -6
I sure do appreciate all these ideas for immediate improvement to this squad. Keep them coming!!!! It seems to me that they have to start acquiring some of the guys you all have touted because continuing to play the comatose squad they now have on offense will lead to nowhere. I just can't see improvement. They need new blood. But, then again, this is just my opinion, which doesn't mean a darn thing as to what will really happen.
I might be missing some important evidence of a better offense to come. But, here is how I see it currently. Aside from Bedard, they did not draft many who can really make this a viable offense and it shows. Without obtaining new blood, they will only suffer through another down year and get more high draft picks in 2024, whom are unlikely to turn this franchise around in another 2 to 3 years. Therefore, I only see new blood as a way to cure the offensive anemia from which they currently suffer. Also, I just looked at Rockford and a couple of their leading scorers are 25 (Joey Anderson) and 27 (Brett Seney) which tells me they aren't going to come up to the NHL and be scoring machines. There is a reason why they are so old and haven't made it in the NHL yet; and it ain't to give the other teams a break.
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Post by malagahawks on Oct 25, 2023 15:36:40 GMT -6
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by BigT on Oct 25, 2023 18:54:19 GMT -6
I’m starting to think the kiss of death is the last GMs good praises. Every player he said was going to be good or great all failed!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 25, 2023 19:07:52 GMT -6
Hard, sober facts my peeps after 7 games: 1. Shots on goal PG: 26 2. Shot on goal against PG: 36 (2nd worst differential in the league) 3. Face-off %: 39% (Worst in league) 4. PP%: 6.7 (4th worst in league) 5. Goals for/scored: 14 in 7 games (2 PG which is 5th worst in the league) Small sample size but it ain't pretty. And we have been shutout in 2 games already. They're also second in the league in blocked shots, so at least they're not giving up. And they have the 9th best PK, so defensively they're improving. But those offensive stats are brutal. Doesn't help the second line produces nothing and the PP sucks. King runs the forwards and PP, maybe it's time to move on from him.
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 25, 2023 22:57:34 GMT -6
Hard, sober facts my peeps after 7 games: 1. Shots on goal PG: 26 2. Shot on goal against PG: 36 (2nd worst differential in the league) 3. Face-off %: 39% (Worst in league) 4. PP%: 6.7 (4th worst in league) 5. Goals for/scored: 14 in 7 games (2 PG which is 5th worst in the league) Small sample size but it ain't pretty. And we have been shutout in 2 games already. They're also second in the league in blocked shots, so at least they're not giving up. And they have the 9th best PK, so defensively they're improving. But those offensive stats are brutal. Doesn't help the second line produces nothing and the PP sucks. King runs the forwards and PP, maybe it's time to move on from him. Is it the King, or his knights?
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