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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2023 3:45:00 GMT -6
adam johnson was an american born center who played 13 games for the penguins from 2018-20. he was currently playing in the british elite league with the nottingham panthers but tragically died today during a game from a skate blade to his neck.
there's videos of it on twitter but if you want to see it you can look for yourself. it's quite graphic, especially when you know the outcome.
the game was cancelled and apparently many traumatized fans left in tears.
RIP
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Post by vadarx on Oct 29, 2023 9:40:58 GMT -6
adam johnson was an american born center who played 13 games for the penguins from 2018-20. he was currently playing in the british elite league with the nottingham panthers but tragically died today during a game from a skate blade to his neck. there's videos of it on twitter but if you want to see it you can look for yourself. it's quite graphic, especially when you know the outcome. the game was cancelled and apparently many traumatized fans left in tears. RIP holy crap... I'm not sure if the guy that kicked him should feel unbelievable awful after a terrible accident or if he should be lawyering up... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2023 16:53:53 GMT -6
i wonder if this bit of gear will be seen more often. seems like a pretty innocuous way to prevent a serious injury or worse. tbh, i'm surprised neck injuries due to skate blades are as rare as they are. does anyone with a keener eye for the game know if these are worn by any nhlers? it's the sort of thing i wouldn't notice but others here most likely would. edit: further details about adam johnson's death from his wiki page. On October 28, 2023, Johnson was fatally injured in a game against the Sheffield Steelers at Utilita Arena when his neck was cut by the skate of Steelers player Matt Petgrave during an on-ice collision. After the impact, Johnson attempted to skate to the team bench before collapsing on the ice; players on both sides locked arms to form a protective ring around Johnson while medical professionals tended to him before screens were put up and the arena evacuated. Johnson was eventually transferred and formally pronounced dead at Sheffield's Northern General Hospital, at the age of 29. News of Johnson's death was publicly withheld until the following morning while Johnson's relatives were alerted.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Johnson_(ice_hockey)and on a sidenote, twitter has told me that sam lafferty drew one of the assists on adam johnson's only nhl goal. that assist was also lafferty's first career nhl point. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 30, 2023 7:24:52 GMT -6
i wonder if this bit of gear will be seen more often. seems like a pretty innocuous way to prevent a serious injury or worse. tbh, i'm surprised neck injuries due to skate blades are as rare as they are. does anyone with a keener eye for the game know if these are worn by any nhlers? it's the sort of thing i wouldn't notice but others here most likely would. edit: further details about adam johnson's death from his wiki page. On October 28, 2023, Johnson was fatally injured in a game against the Sheffield Steelers at Utilita Arena when his neck was cut by the skate of Steelers player Matt Petgrave during an on-ice collision. After the impact, Johnson attempted to skate to the team bench before collapsing on the ice; players on both sides locked arms to form a protective ring around Johnson while medical professionals tended to him before screens were put up and the arena evacuated. Johnson was eventually transferred and formally pronounced dead at Sheffield's Northern General Hospital, at the age of 29. News of Johnson's death was publicly withheld until the following morning while Johnson's relatives were alerted.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Johnson_(ice_hockey)and on a sidenote, twitter has told me that sam lafferty drew one of the assists on adam johnson's only nhl goal. that assist was also lafferty's first career nhl point. I mentioned this to a teammate not long ago that I'm surprised more players aren't seriously cut, or killed due to a skate. Neck guards are mandatory in minor hockey and with Johnson dying it should be mandatory in pro hockey as well. There's a video of Johnson getting hit, very hard to watch. Two guys collided at the blueline and one guy spun around and his skate went straight into his neck. |
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Post by jaty84 on Oct 30, 2023 8:23:05 GMT -6
i wonder if this bit of gear will be seen more often. seems like a pretty innocuous way to prevent a serious injury or worse. tbh, i'm surprised neck injuries due to skate blades are as rare as they are. does anyone with a keener eye for the game know if these are worn by any nhlers? it's the sort of thing i wouldn't notice but others here most likely would. edit: further details about adam johnson's death from his wiki page. On October 28, 2023, Johnson was fatally injured in a game against the Sheffield Steelers at Utilita Arena when his neck was cut by the skate of Steelers player Matt Petgrave during an on-ice collision. After the impact, Johnson attempted to skate to the team bench before collapsing on the ice; players on both sides locked arms to form a protective ring around Johnson while medical professionals tended to him before screens were put up and the arena evacuated. Johnson was eventually transferred and formally pronounced dead at Sheffield's Northern General Hospital, at the age of 29. News of Johnson's death was publicly withheld until the following morning while Johnson's relatives were alerted.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Johnson_(ice_hockey)and on a sidenote, twitter has told me that sam lafferty drew one of the assists on adam johnson's only nhl goal. that assist was also lafferty's first career nhl point. I mentioned this to a teammate not long ago that I'm surprised more players aren't seriously cut, or killed due to a skate. Neck guards are mandatory in minor hockey and with Johnson dying it should be mandatory in pro hockey as well. There's a video of Johnson getting hit, very hard to watch. Two guys collided at the blueline and one guy spun around and his skate went straight into his neck. Richard Zednik had a similar injury playing for the Habs maybe ten years ago. Not far away and a deadly injury might have occurred in NHL as well. I believe this will trigger NHLPA and NHL to make this a mandatory gear to wear. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 30, 2023 9:45:57 GMT -6
adam johnson was an american born center who played 13 games for the penguins from 2018-20. he was currently playing in the british elite league with the nottingham panthers but tragically died today during a game from a skate blade to his neck. there's videos of it on twitter but if you want to see it you can look for yourself. it's quite graphic, especially when you know the outcome. the game was cancelled and apparently many traumatized fans left in tears. RIP holy crap... I'm not sure if the guy that kicked him should feel unbelievable awful after a terrible accident or if he should be lawyering up... Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. |
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Post by ukhawk on Oct 30, 2023 10:35:42 GMT -6
holy crap... I'm not sure if the guy that kicked him should feel unbelievable awful after a terrible accident or if he should be lawyering up... Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. Its all over the news here in the UK. Lots of fans saying it was an accident - not my first thought when I saw it in full speed - that non-supporting leg went high. Horrible to see and hear about. Hopefully the league authorities can bring something in to stop this ever happening again. Really sad. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 30, 2023 10:44:31 GMT -6
Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. It’s all over the news here in the UK. Lots of fans saying it was an accident - not my first thought when I saw it in full speed - that non-supporting leg went high. Horrible to see and hear about. Hopefully the league authorities can bring something in to stop this ever happening again. Really sad. Looks to me he used that contact with the one player to initiate what is almost a drop kick to Johnson, the puck carrier. It’s the “oops, I’m falling out of control and can’t control my extremities “ excuse taken to its ultimate conclusion. Unless there’s other viewpoints that exonerate him, that’s my layman’s view. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 30, 2023 13:55:54 GMT -6
Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. Its all over the news here in the UK. Lots of fans saying it was an accident - not my first thought when I saw it in full speed - that non-supporting leg went high. Horrible to see and hear about. Hopefully the league authorities can bring something in to stop this ever happening again. Really sad. Once is once too many. My son wears an under armour shirt that’s basically a Teflon type shirt with a neck guard built in. I don’t think it’ll do anything but save a life. They should make them mandatory or something like it. The game is so fast now that a flailing leg can end it all. No one wants to see that. No one wants to be in that situation. There’s no room to be a hero. This isn’t like you’ll lose an eye, or something that would be an inconvenience. It’s your life!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 30, 2023 17:15:36 GMT -6
holy crap... I'm not sure if the guy that kicked him should feel unbelievable awful after a terrible accident or if he should be lawyering up... Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. I dunno if I would go that far. it feels to me like he stuck out his leg in reaction to someone trying to get past him. an involuntary thing. that being said, he certainly should know better than to be kicking in ANY direction. feel like that guy won't have much want to play hockey ever again after this and living with what he did might be enough punishment. unless there is proof that he had any ill will toward Johnson, I have a hard time thinking he deserves any prison time. that being said, I've seen a similar thing (someone got killed on accident) and the defendant got jail time. will be an interesting case to follow. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 30, 2023 17:43:34 GMT -6
Its all over the news here in the UK. Lots of fans saying it was an accident - not my first thought when I saw it in full speed - that non-supporting leg went high. Horrible to see and hear about. Hopefully the league authorities can bring something in to stop this ever happening again. Really sad. Once is once too many. My son wears an under armour shirt that’s basically a Teflon type shirt with a neck guard built in. I don’t think it’ll do anything but save a life. They should make them mandatory or something like it. The game is so fast now that a flailing leg can end it all. No one wants to see that. No one wants to be in that situation. There’s no room to be a hero. This isn’t like you’ll lose an eye, or something that would be an inconvenience. It’s your life!!! speaking of which...lucky guy. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 30, 2023 22:25:31 GMT -6
holy crap... I'm not sure if the guy that kicked him should feel unbelievable awful after a terrible accident or if he should be lawyering up... Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. intentional or not, i wouldn't think he could be charged. imho, if it was intentional it was just a reactionary move. i looked at matt pelgrave's stats just to see his PIMs to get a sense of what kind of player he is (if that's possible). he has racked up quite a few the last couple of seasons but of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything. as was said, i think the player has likely suffered enough but the courts may ultimately decide that. just a bad scene all around. www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=121883 |
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Post by tincup on Oct 30, 2023 22:36:31 GMT -6
Lawyering up. I just saw the incident on twitter. I wasn’t actively searching for it but it popped up and only shows the action to the point of contact. The player who did this to him should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or whatever the British equivalent might be. And never see the ice again, or even better, free society. intentional or not, i wouldn't think he could be charged. imho, if it was intentional it was just a reactionary move. i looked at matt pelgrave's stats just to see his PIMs to get a sense of what kind of player he is (if that's possible). he has racked up quite a few the last couple of seasons but of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything. as was said, i think the player has likely suffered enough but the courts may ultimately decide that. just a bad scene all around. www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=121883It’s a very public death, they have to investigate. And you’re right, he probably won’t be charged. But I stand by my first thought. He was trying to stop the puck carrier any way he could and that reckless move had tragic results. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 30, 2023 22:51:24 GMT -6
intentional or not, i wouldn't think he could be charged. imho, if it was intentional it was just a reactionary move. i looked at matt pelgrave's stats just to see his PIMs to get a sense of what kind of player he is (if that's possible). he has racked up quite a few the last couple of seasons but of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything. as was said, i think the player has likely suffered enough but the courts may ultimately decide that. just a bad scene all around. www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=121883It’s a very public death, they have to investigate. And you’re right, he probably won’t be charged. But I stand by my first thought. He was trying to stop the puck carrier any way he could and that reckless move had tragic results. totally agree. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 1, 2023 17:30:37 GMT -6
even if bettman does nothing or the players association disagrees with mandatory use, at least there's a good chance more drafted players in the future will continue to use the neck guards.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 1, 2023 18:32:02 GMT -6
even if bettman does nothing or the players association disagrees with mandatory use, at least there's a good chance more drafted players in the future will continue to use the neck guards. Here is the prototype.  |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 2, 2023 12:31:10 GMT -6
I mentioned this to a teammate not long ago that I'm surprised more players aren't seriously cut, or killed due to a skate. Neck guards are mandatory in minor hockey and with Johnson dying it should be mandatory in pro hockey as well. There's a video of Johnson getting hit, very hard to watch. Two guys collided at the blueline and one guy spun around and his skate went straight into his neck. Richard Zednik had a similar injury playing for the Habs maybe ten years ago. Not far away and a deadly injury might have occurred in NHL as well. I believe this will trigger NHLPA and NHL to make this a mandatory gear to wear. I thought he was playing for Florida at the time. I remember when it happened I was visiting my now in-laws and it was all over the news in Slovakia. I know some dumbass reporter actually asked Jokinen how he felt about it. Thankfully Jokinen called the douchenozzle out. I was shocked--I remember watching him play for the Winterhawks when I was in high school. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 4, 2023 15:10:28 GMT -6
because there have already been about 15 posts concerning this topic and having the potential for there to be more, i'm giving this topic it's own thread...which is what i should have done to begin with when i first posted about it.
so i'm in the process of pulling all the posts out of the "around the league" thread and putting them here.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 4, 2023 15:29:57 GMT -6
seems a no brainer to me.
any players here on the boards ever wore one?
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Post by BigT on Nov 7, 2023 13:16:58 GMT -6
I will say that as a former player. We’re stubborn. No one wants to wear anything. When I was in college playing, they made visors mandatory. Everyone just pushed the visor and helmet up so it wasn’t a factor. Then the league made cage’s mandatory. So I cut a couple of the bars out that went horizontal. There were sharp edges on it. So in a scrum or fight, anyone grabbing it cut the shit outta their hands. I was done playing around 2000. The. It was off to beer league.
I believe neck protection came in around 2005, May was early as 2003. But didn’t become mandatory in kids hockey till Zedniks injury in 2008.
Also, under armour makes a great “Teflon” shirt. It has the neck guard built in, and it is long sleeve and covers the wrist. EKane had this happen last year. If we start them young, they won’t know any difference. Injuries will always happen. But death should and could be avoided!!!
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Post by nighbor on Nov 7, 2023 17:02:43 GMT -6
Both my sons who played minor hockey in the 80's and 90's had to wear neck protectors. I do not remember the exact year it started.
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Post by BigT on Nov 7, 2023 20:06:26 GMT -6
Both my sons who played minor hockey in the 80's and 90's had to wear neck protectors. I do not remember the exact year it started. That’s interesting. Are you in Canada or USA? I never wore any type of neck protection growing up. OTH? You guys wear anything in Alberta? We’re close to the same age and I feel not many Canadians wore that in the 80s and 90s. It was available in the late 90s. Just no one wore it. In the early 90s I was told by my coach to shut the fuck up and wear a mouth guard. In those exact words. Chirping caused massive line brawls and I loved it. A mouth guard was hard to sound like you were speaking English. Especially those big ones back then. They were football ones that are huge. Fighting was a badge of honour back then. I got my ass kicked good a few times. But I talked the talk, and had to walk it. It back then, it seemed only 6’4” guys played. I played in grade 9/10 with Jovanovski at Riverside high. He was a gawd dam beast and went immediately to Jr B. Then was the first pick in the OHL draft. Then was the first pick in the NHL draft. Fuck could he hit and fight. But players back then never seemed to want to use any extra equipment. Myself included. Nowadays. I’m absolutely paranoid for my son. I know I’m a parent and I’m Looking out for my boy. But I see what happens and you hear of these ridiculous injuries and death to a player. It makes you wonder if it’s worth it? We lost a local kid here to a car crash. Leaving practice from JrC. I was in tears hearing that. It’s just so sad to hear of these tragedies. Young men just trying to live their dream. I fully endorse the proper protection. And I do not like wussie hockey. But I can’t stand by and watch kids die. Action needs to be taken. Especially for something that can be stopped!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 9, 2023 5:18:15 GMT -6
I will say that as a former player. We’re stubborn. No one wants to wear anything. When I was in college playing, they made visors mandatory. Everyone just pushed the visor and helmet up so it wasn’t a factor. Then the league made cage’s mandatory. So I cut a couple of the bars out that went horizontal. There were sharp edges on it. So in a scrum or fight, anyone grabbing it cut the shit outta their hands. I was done playing around 2000. The. It was off to beer league. I believe neck protection came in around 2005, May was early as 2003. But didn’t become mandatory in kids hockey till Zedniks injury in 2008. Also, under armour makes a great “Teflon” shirt. It has the neck guard built in, and it is long sleeve and covers the wrist. EKane had this happen last year. If we start them young, they won’t know any difference. Injuries will always happen. But death should and could be avoided!!! In Alberta neck guards were always mandatory since I started playing in the early 80s but it was a choice when you're 18, no one wore them when they turned 18. They were bulky and annoying. After Clint Malarchuk and Zednik you'd think they'd be mandatory at all levels, even those turtle neck shirts are better than nothing. Rene Bourque was CMs away from having his jugular cut and has a big scar. Protecting arteries and your eyes shouldn't be an option. |
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Post by ukhawk on Nov 14, 2023 10:45:28 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Nov 14, 2023 10:57:54 GMT -6
Mods can move this to where it belongs…
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 15, 2023 12:16:30 GMT -6
I have no position on the merits of the arrest. I am only commenting to state that it will certainly be a difficult case for the prosecutor even if he/she is correct that a crime was committed. There will be arguments on both sides that will get serious consideration by a jury. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 15, 2023 14:03:02 GMT -6
I have no position on the merits of the arrest. I am only commenting to state that it will certainly be a difficult case for the prosecutor even if he/she is correct that a crime was committed. There will be arguments on both sides that will get serious consideration by a jury. From everything I've read, the charge is manslaughter--not sure about whether they'll try for voluntary or involuntary but I think the reason is that for a manslaughter charge, you don't have to prove intent--you just have to prove that the actions of the assailant (might be wrong term) were negligent enough. For that I've seen differing argument across the web from people claiming to have played hockey at a high level (but we all know not to trust anything anyone claims online)--some say "it was unavoidable" other say, "he could have easily avoided kicking his skate up" I have no knowledgeable position on the matter--that's for the courts and expert witnesses to hash out. Or, as others have said, this could be grandstanding to make an ado over this just for a verdict to come back as not guilty so as to placate the masses that they're taking this seriously. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 15, 2023 18:48:28 GMT -6
I have no position on the merits of the arrest. I am only commenting to state that it will certainly be a difficult case for the prosecutor even if he/she is correct that a crime was committed. There will be arguments on both sides that will get serious consideration by a jury. From everything I've read, the charge is manslaughter--not sure about whether they'll try for voluntary or involuntary but I think the reason is that for a manslaughter charge, you don't have to prove intent--you just have to prove that the actions of the assailant (might be wrong term) were negligent enough. For that I've seen differing argument across the web from people claiming to have played hockey at a high level (but we all know not to trust anything anyone claims online)--some say "it was unavoidable" other say, "he could have easily avoided kicking his skate up" I have no knowledgeable position on the matter--that's for the courts and expert witnesses to hash out. Or, as others have said, this could be grandstanding to make an ado over this just for a verdict to come back as not guilty so as to placate the masses that they're taking this seriously. Your last line may well be why the charge was brought. Of course, manslaughter does not involve proving that the defendant "intended" to commit the act. It is akin to negligence and merely requires that he was not acting as a reasonable person would under the circumstances. The only thing I might add is that I have never seen a player at any level of games I have seen kick his skate up like this guy did due to the contact with another player. We have all seen many thousands of checks and I'll bet very few have seen a player involved in such close contact kick his skate up as this guy did. But, as you say, it will be a matter for the witnesses, both fact and expert, to hash out. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 16, 2023 7:09:59 GMT -6
Whether or not the intent was to injure or kill someone is irrelevant. It’s the act that makes his actions relevant. I’ve never ever seen anyone pull a stunt like that ever. I do not believe he was trying to kill someone. I don’t believe it’s 1st degree murder. However, he acted absolutely irresponsibly, and it resulted in a young man losing his life.
I know if I had anything to do with that guys death. I wouldn’t play again. As I’d be way too reckless for this sport and wouldn’t want to harm anyone. I don’t think he gets off on this. This is brutal and some type of action needs to be taken!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 16, 2023 8:56:30 GMT -6
From everything I've read, the charge is manslaughter--not sure about whether they'll try for voluntary or involuntary but I think the reason is that for a manslaughter charge, you don't have to prove intent--you just have to prove that the actions of the assailant (might be wrong term) were negligent enough. For that I've seen differing argument across the web from people claiming to have played hockey at a high level (but we all know not to trust anything anyone claims online)--some say "it was unavoidable" other say, "he could have easily avoided kicking his skate up" I have no knowledgeable position on the matter--that's for the courts and expert witnesses to hash out. Or, as others have said, this could be grandstanding to make an ado over this just for a verdict to come back as not guilty so as to placate the masses that they're taking this seriously. Your last line may well be why the charge was brought. Of course, manslaughter does not involve proving that the defendant "intended" to commit the act. It is akin to negligence and merely requires that he was not acting as a reasonable person would under the circumstances. The only thing I might add is that I have never seen a player at any level of games I have seen kick his skate up like this guy did due to the contact with another player. We have all seen many thousands of checks and I'll bet very few have seen a player involved in such close contact kick his skate up as this guy did. But, as you say, it will be a matter for the witnesses, both fact and expert, to hash out. Exactly. Will the expert witnesses think that another hockey player of that skill level could have avoided kicking his leg out like that--and can they convince a jury? I do have to say that I find it funny (in a twisted sort of way) that there are people who have (or claim) to have played hockey a lot in their lives, capping out at various levels (i.e. Major Juniors, ECHL-level, played in Europe), who are commenting on this. About half say, "There was no need for him to kick out his leg like that" and the other half say, "It was an unavoidable accident." I also think this might set a precedent either way: When playing a sport known to be dangerous, do reckless actions (or perceived--lawyerspeak intended) on the field/floor/rink justify legal punishment even though "everybody knows" this stuff can happen and you did sign a waiver to play? I think some people irrespective of the side they fall on for this matter are going to be pissed at the outcome. |
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