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Post by hsbob on Feb 16, 2024 9:55:27 GMT -6
Richardson on Kurashev. For a couple of years there Shevy couldn’t get out of Colliton’s or King’s doghouse. Every misstep wore heavy on him. Now he’s a large part of the team. This is where Reichel sits now. It’s a matter of having the confidence and playing one’s game. Bedard’s OK with him as well… Speaking of the woefully unqualified Colliton's doghouse,after spending the first 13gms of '21-22' in it and many other long stretches,Dylan Strome has not been a healthy since,it took the failed HC's dismissal to end the madness. In the 69gms after King took over and the 133gms with two new HC's in Washington since his LOSS for NOTHING,this still young center has scored 65gls(on pace for 30),148pts and now wins close to 53% of his draws as the Caps #1. They'll be many more player assessments to come over the next few years and the new GM will have to do a better job of it because that one was PISS-POOR and can no longer be explained away. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 16, 2024 10:05:42 GMT -6
Exactly. For whatever reasons coaches can take a dislike to, or get a complete boner for, certain players. Strome is another good example. Thought so little of by the org at the end he was basically dropped at the curb with a “For Free” sign around his neck.
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Post by hawks27 on Feb 16, 2024 11:26:07 GMT -6
Bedard in the lineup makes the Blackhawks watchable, at least, to me. There is always the potential of him making a great play out of something.
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Post by mikeveisor on Feb 16, 2024 14:59:22 GMT -6
Exactly. For whatever reasons coaches can take a dislike to, or get a complete boner for, certain players. Strome is another good example. Thought so little of by the org at the end he was basically dropped at the curb with a “For Free” sign around his neck. I think the brass sized him up as “just a guy,” hence the treatment. Premature maybe, but I think they determined that he was not the right fit in a TOTAL rebuild. He scored with Kane on his line - like most everyone has (except the 6th rounder that the previous group stuck between Toews & Kane). 270 points over career 400 games is nothing to sneeze at, I recognize, but his intrinsic value was not that great. I’d guess that a mid round pick was the most anyone would have coughed up in a best case scenario - and given that the league saw the obvious direction in which the team was headed, I’m guessing that was not a likely result by hanging onto him. So Kyle moved decisively rather than “well, let’s try to win 2-3 extra games so we get a mid first round pick next year.” The angle has been to get top 1-10 talent, and Strome would likely have been counterproductive to that. JMO. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 16, 2024 18:17:50 GMT -6
Exactly. For whatever reasons coaches can take a dislike to, or get a complete boner for, certain players. Strome is another good example. Thought so little of by the org at the end he was basically dropped at the curb with a “For Free” sign around his neck. I think the brass sized him up as “just a guy,” hence the treatment. Premature maybe, but I think they determined that he was not the right fit in a TOTAL rebuild. He scored with Kane on his line - like most everyone has (except the 6th rounder that the previous group stuck between Toews & Kane). 270 points over career 400 games is nothing to sneeze at, I recognize, but his intrinsic value was not that great. I’d guess that a mid round pick was the most anyone would have coughed up in a best case scenario - and given that the league saw the obvious direction in which the team was headed, I’m guessing that was not a likely result by hanging onto him. So Kyle moved decisively rather than “well, let’s try to win 2-3 extra games so we get a mid first round pick next year.” The angle has been to get top 1-10 talent, and Strome would likely have been counterproductive to that. JMO. I just remember getting two first rounders in Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz and it looked like a rare trade win. But at the end result of it all after all the trades was we managed to get Hall and Foligno from Boston when the Bruins needed to dump salary. Previous management didn’t exactly try to build up interest in Strome, his trade value was so diminished he was allowed to just walk into free agency without being tendered a contract. In the end there was at least one GM who saw value in a former first rounder. I get he wasn’t going to be in any future plans but he should have had value before that decision. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 16, 2024 21:10:35 GMT -6
I think the brass sized him up as “just a guy,” hence the treatment. Premature maybe, but I think they determined that he was not the right fit in a TOTAL rebuild. He scored with Kane on his line - like most everyone has (except the 6th rounder that the previous group stuck between Toews & Kane). 270 points over career 400 games is nothing to sneeze at, I recognize, but his intrinsic value was not that great. I’d guess that a mid round pick was the most anyone would have coughed up in a best case scenario - and given that the league saw the obvious direction in which the team was headed, I’m guessing that was not a likely result by hanging onto him. So Kyle moved decisively rather than “well, let’s try to win 2-3 extra games so we get a mid first round pick next year.” The angle has been to get top 1-10 talent, and Strome would likely have been counterproductive to that. JMO. I just remember getting two first rounders in Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz and it looked like a rare trade win. But at the end result of it all after all the trades was we managed to get Hall and Foligno from Boston when the Bruins needed to dump salary. Previous management didn’t exactly try to build up interest in Strome, his trade value was so diminished he was allowed to just walk into free agency without being tendered a contract. In the end there was at least one GM who saw value in a former first rounder. I get he wasn’t going to be in any future plans but he should have had value before that decision. He did have value, just not what KD wanted in return. So he thought it’d be better to let him walk then take the mere 3rd rounder for him. I know many here think he has a lot more value than he ever garnered. But reality is he’s just an NHLer. Which is more than I can brag about. He’ll never win a Cup. He’s just a placeholder till the next guy. Take away Kane and Ovechkin. He won’t put much up. He’s not a playoff guy, cuz he’s never really been there. And he’s never going to get there. He’s made a good living, and good for him. But for the Hawks rebuild, he had absolutely no value!!! |
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Post by tincup on Feb 16, 2024 21:47:18 GMT -6
I just remember getting two first rounders in Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz and it looked like a rare trade win. But at the end result of it all after all the trades was we managed to get Hall and Foligno from Boston when the Bruins needed to dump salary. Previous management didn’t exactly try to build up interest in Strome, his trade value was so diminished he was allowed to just walk into free agency without being tendered a contract. In the end there was at least one GM who saw value in a former first rounder. I get he wasn’t going to be in any future plans but he should have had value before that decision. He did have value, just not what KD wanted in return. So he thought it’d be better to let him walk then take the mere 3rd rounder for him. I know many here think he has a lot more value than he ever garnered. But reality is he’s just an NHLer. Which is more than I can brag about. He’ll never win a Cup. He’s just a placeholder till the next guy. Take away Kane and Ovechkin. He won’t put much up. He’s not a playoff guy, cuz he’s never really been there. And he’s never going to get there. He’s made a good living, and good for him. But for the Hawks rebuild, he had absolutely no value!!! I understand T but why not take the 3rd? |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 16, 2024 22:00:03 GMT -6
He did have value, just not what KD wanted in return. So he thought it’d be better to let him walk then take the mere 3rd rounder for him. I know many here think he has a lot more value than he ever garnered. But reality is he’s just an NHLer. Which is more than I can brag about. He’ll never win a Cup. He’s just a placeholder till the next guy. Take away Kane and Ovechkin. He won’t put much up. He’s not a playoff guy, cuz he’s never really been there. And he’s never going to get there. He’s made a good living, and good for him. But for the Hawks rebuild, he had absolutely no value!!! I understand T but why not take the 3rd? not T, but if I had to guess, I'd guess KD asked for too much and then when he decided to lower the price, the offer was gone. otherwise it seems extremely silly not to circle back and take what you can get... |
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Post by mikeveisor on Feb 17, 2024 8:19:50 GMT -6
I understand T but why not take the 3rd? not T, but if I had to guess, I'd guess KD asked for too much and then when he decided to lower the price, the offer was gone. otherwise it seems extremely silly not to circle back and take what you can get... Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! I like that answer! Probably sought a low first or a second, other team countered a 4th, KD hesitated to assess/reassess and "POOF," opportunity gone. Or as a guy I know would say who punctuates every third comment he makes with "or summthin like that." |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 17, 2024 11:24:15 GMT -6
The rumors that Jr had no interest in qualifying either Strome,Kubalik or Lankinen were out there before the TDL that year for some reason and THAT's why neither player brought a return. All three were signed the 2nd day of free agency.........we discussed this on these boards, so I'll assume GMs around the league knew it too.
Keep telling yourselves fairy tails about Dylan Strome and how a 24yro 6'3" center coming off a 22gl 52%FO year was worth a 4th round pick........go find one for that! I'll wait. Veteran center Kuznetov absolutely wilted under the demanding Laviolette last year,demanding a trade after scoring 12gls and putting-up a putrid -26,while 25yro Strome absolutely flourished with a solid 65 point season. A new HC with a fresh set of eyes has resulted in veteran Kuznetzov seeking 'player assistance' and 26yro Dylan Strome seeking his first 30 goal season this year..........riding the coat-tails of Alex Ovechkin?LOL! He's a shell of his former self.
He was "just a guy" who "only scored with Kane" and he didn't skate well enough or play "OUR' style of D(4th worst GA in the league with a good,vet GT)but he's good enough to skate 1LC for a stingier Caps team,win FO's and put-up impressive offensive numbers on the league's 3rd lowest scoring team......'bed time' stories!
No matter what the trade offers for the player were or why,the fact remains,the young GM refused to qualify a young center for 3.6M w/RFA rights afterward who's gone on to score 44gls 100 pts and win over half his draws against opposing #1's in the 133 games since. Attempts to explain this away amount to nothing more than cover for a failed decision or just another 'nursery rhyme'.
Washinton rewarded Dylan Strome with a 5MX5 contract and he's rewarding Washington with a 30 goal pace season.....worth every penny!
Opinions on this player will apparently remain stubborn regardless of his play and mine will be bolstered by another outstanding season too!
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 17, 2024 14:17:15 GMT -6
The rumors that Jr had no interest in qualifying either Strome,Kubalik or Lankinen were out there before the TDL that year for some reason and THAT's why neither player brought a return. All three were signed the 2nd day of free agency.........we discussed this on these boards, so I'll assume GMs around the league knew it too. Keep telling yourselves fairy tails about Dylan Strome and how a 24yro 6'3" center coming off a 22gl 52%FO year was worth a 4th round pick........go find one for that! I'll wait. Veteran center Kuznetov absolutely wilted under the demanding Laviolette last year,demanding a trade after scoring 12gls and putting-up a putrid -26,while 25yro Strome absolutely flourished with a solid 65 point season. A new HC with a fresh set of eyes has resulted in veteran Kuznetzov seeking 'player assistance' and 26yro Dylan Strome seeking his first 30 goal season this year..........riding the coat-tails of Alex Ovechkin?LOL! He's a shell of his former self. He was "just a guy" who "only scored with Kane" and he didn't skate well enough or play "OUR' style of D(4th worst GA in the league with a good,vet GT)but he's good enough to skate 1LC for a stingier Caps team,win FO's and put-up impressive offensive numbers on the league's 3rd lowest scoring team......'bed time' stories! No matter what the trade offers for the player were or why,the fact remains,the young GM refused to qualify a young center for 3.6M w/RFA rights afterward who's gone on to score 44gls 100 pts and win over half his draws against opposing #1's in the 133 games since. Attempts to explain this away amount to nothing more than cover for a failed decision or just another 'nursery rhyme'. Washinton rewarded Dylan Strome with a 5MX5 contract and he's rewarding Washington with a 30 goal pace season.....worth every penny! Opinions on this player will apparently remain stubborn regardless of his play and mine will be bolstered by another outstanding season too! I agree mostly; but I can't help but think that it's possible that he'd never do the same for us. Like Dach, who didn't look useless for Montreal but I doubt he'd ever be more than a failed pick for us. Sometimes we get Patrick Sharp, sometimes we get Ellison. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 18, 2024 12:33:35 GMT -6
The rumors that Jr had no interest in qualifying either Strome,Kubalik or Lankinen were out there before the TDL that year for some reason and THAT's why neither player brought a return. All three were signed the 2nd day of free agency.........we discussed this on these boards, so I'll assume GMs around the league knew it too. Keep telling yourselves fairy tails about Dylan Strome and how a 24yro 6'3" center coming off a 22gl 52%FO year was worth a 4th round pick........go find one for that! I'll wait. Veteran center Kuznetov absolutely wilted under the demanding Laviolette last year,demanding a trade after scoring 12gls and putting-up a putrid -26,while 25yro Strome absolutely flourished with a solid 65 point season. A new HC with a fresh set of eyes has resulted in veteran Kuznetzov seeking 'player assistance' and 26yro Dylan Strome seeking his first 30 goal season this year..........riding the coat-tails of Alex Ovechkin?LOL! He's a shell of his former self. He was "just a guy" who "only scored with Kane" and he didn't skate well enough or play "OUR' style of D(4th worst GA in the league with a good,vet GT)but he's good enough to skate 1LC for a stingier Caps team,win FO's and put-up impressive offensive numbers on the league's 3rd lowest scoring team......'bed time' stories! No matter what the trade offers for the player were or why,the fact remains,the young GM refused to qualify a young center for 3.6M w/RFA rights afterward who's gone on to score 44gls 100 pts and win over half his draws against opposing #1's in the 133 games since. Attempts to explain this away amount to nothing more than cover for a failed decision or just another 'nursery rhyme'. Washinton rewarded Dylan Strome with a 5MX5 contract and he's rewarding Washington with a 30 goal pace season.....worth every penny! Opinions on this player will apparently remain stubborn regardless of his play and mine will be bolstered by another outstanding season too! I agree mostly; but I can't help but think that it's possible that he'd never do the same for us. Like Dach, who didn't look useless for Montreal but I doubt he'd ever be more than a failed pick for us. Sometimes we get Patrick Sharp, sometimes we get Ellison. But he did do the same for us when given the chance,17/51 in 58gms his first year and 22/48 52% in 69gms his last year here,the two seasons in between included a concussion,a high ankle sprain and long benching's that only Harry Potter himself could explain. Like Dach? In NO way is Dylan Strome like Kirby Dach! Dach stayed healthy enough last year to play 58 games,score 14gls/48pts(career highs)but the FO struggles(38%) continued. Dylan Strome has his 3rd consecutive 20 plus goal season underway and might very well reach the 30 goal plateau and is a reliable FO winning center @52%+ now........not useless at all.......FAR from it. He's also stayed healthy for his new team,missing one game so far,he's had three HC's since 'Potter' got the boot and those three HC's have healthy scratched him exactly zero times. Very UN-like I'd say! The biggest difference between the two is,Strome wasn't rushed into the league as a wounded 18 year old. We continue to see large framed forwards 'break-out' in their mid 20's and I thought Strome did that here his last season @24 after being benched the first 13 games and his play since suggests exactly that. Not sure what Sharp or Ellison have to do with the price of coffee so to speak in this instance. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 19, 2024 10:22:19 GMT -6
I agree mostly; but I can't help but think that it's possible that he'd never do the same for us. Like Dach, who didn't look useless for Montreal but I doubt he'd ever be more than a failed pick for us. Sometimes we get Patrick Sharp, sometimes we get Ellison. But he did do the same for us when given the chance,17/51 in 58gms his first year and 22/48 52% in 69gms his last year here,the two seasons in between included a concussion,a high ankle sprain and long benching's that only Harry Potter himself could explain. Like Dach? In NO way is Dylan Strome like Kirby Dach! Dach stayed healthy enough last year to play 58 games,score 14gls/48pts(career highs)but the FO struggles(38%) continued. Dylan Strome has his 3rd consecutive 20 plus goal season underway and might very well reach the 30 goal plateau and is a reliable FO winning center @52%+ now........not useless at all.......FAR from it. He's also stayed healthy for his new team,missing one game so far,he's had three HC's since 'Potter' got the boot and those three HC's have healthy scratched him exactly zero times. Very UN-like I'd say! The biggest difference between the two is,Strome wasn't rushed into the league as a wounded 18 year old. We continue to see large framed forwards 'break-out' in their mid 20's and I thought Strome did that here his last season @24 after being benched the first 13 games and his play since suggests exactly that. Not sure what Sharp or Ellison have to do with the price of coffee so to speak in this instance. My point was that sometimes players just need a change of scenery. I don't think Sharp would have been as-good had he stayed on Philly. But you point on Strome is taken. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Feb 19, 2024 14:13:32 GMT -6
I agree mostly; but I can't help but think that it's possible that he'd never do the same for us. Like Dach, who didn't look useless for Montreal but I doubt he'd ever be more than a failed pick for us. Sometimes we get Patrick Sharp, sometimes we get Ellison. But he did do the same for us when given the chance,17/51 in 58gms his first year and 22/48 52% in 69gms his last year here,the two seasons in between included a concussion,a high ankle sprain and long benching's that only Harry Potter himself could explain. Like Dach? In NO way is Dylan Strome like Kirby Dach! Dach stayed healthy enough last year to play 58 games,score 14gls/48pts(career highs)but the FO struggles(38%) continued. Dylan Strome has his 3rd consecutive 20 plus goal season underway and might very well reach the 30 goal plateau and is a reliable FO winning center @52%+ now........not useless at all.......FAR from it. He's also stayed healthy for his new team,missing one game so far,he's had three HC's since 'Potter' got the boot and those three HC's have healthy scratched him exactly zero times. Very UN-like I'd say! The biggest difference between the two is,Strome wasn't rushed into the league as a wounded 18 year old. We continue to see large framed forwards 'break-out' in their mid 20's and I thought Strome did that here his last season @24 after being benched the first 13 games and his play since suggests exactly that. Not sure what Sharp or Ellison have to do with the price of coffee so to speak in this instance. Thing about Stromes game is he know how to play with talented player and make them better he might not be a complete line driver but in 2 years there would be a need for a Dylan Strome on this team |
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