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Post by bigbarn27 on Mar 2, 2024 15:22:25 GMT -6
If he did that at the old stadium, he wouldn't have walked out of there on his own. Now maybe everyone understands how things are at the UC right now. That made my blood boil but hard to have an intimidating building when you are the worst team in the league. Couple of Avs banners displayed at last game also. Better days ahead I hope! |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 2, 2024 15:59:21 GMT -6
If he did that at the old stadium, he wouldn't have walked out of there on his own. Now maybe everyone understands how things are at the UC right now. That made my blood boil but hard to have an intimidating building when you are the worst team in the league. Couple of Avs banners displayed at last game also. Better days ahead I hope! it'll go away when we are good again. I'm sure there are a fair amount of other team's fans that would love to come to Chicago and rub it in our faces after the 2010's... |
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Post by jacksalmon on Mar 2, 2024 16:14:22 GMT -6
Neither Davidson, nor Kane called me to let me know what was going with talks, if any, about resigning Kane. But, regardless of the fact that Kane is playing and not in a Chicago sweater, he is having a great season and getting points at faster than one per game. If he had any interest in playing for Chicago, it might be gone now; or maybe some contract can be worked out so that he can return to Chicago next year. However, he might not want to play on a crap team after experiencing some success in Detroit both on the individual and team basis.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 3, 2024 14:20:20 GMT -6
Neither Davidson, nor Kane called me to let me know what was going with talks, if any, about resigning Kane. But, regardless of the fact that Kane is playing and not in a Chicago sweater, he is having a great season and getting points at faster than one per game. If he had any interest in playing for Chicago, it might be gone now; or maybe some contract can be worked out so that he can return to Chicago next year. However, he might not want to play on a crap team after experiencing some success in Detroit both on the individual and team basis. |
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Post by Granada on Mar 4, 2024 10:43:11 GMT -6
Ya know,if Kane and DeBrincat had opted out for more money through FA,or demanded a trade and bad-mouthed the team on the way out,thumbing their noses at the Org before purposefully joining forces on the team's biggest divisional rival,I too would have a problem supporting or following their careers,but that's not what happened. Imagine if they ended-up on the Blues! It was the Org who thumbed it's nose at the aging and injured future HoF,3 time cup winner and the best,young goal scorer they drafted since.....am I wrong on this? Alex DeBrincat signed with Detroit for ONE reason,it's his hometown and he proved it with a decent discount and Patrick Kane joined him for two reasons IMO. Stevie Y was the guy who showed the most interest and faith in Kane and Kane had faith in Stevie Y,the 2nd reason is the obvious chemistry between the two players on and off the ice. If someone is apt to revel in the brilliance of trading players like D-Cat,Hagle and Kane because the return of those trades will make the team better in the future.....and it might,not to mention booting Strome. Then they better be ready to 'stew in the juices' of watching these players excel in the meantime. D-Cat,Hagle and Strome are on pace for 90+ combined goals and Patrick Kane looks to be a point a game forward who's healthier than he's been in years. Screw the 'stew'.....LOL,that's more like a big pot of red gravy with neckbones and 'salsiccia'! Hey Bob, I'd disagree. I think the organization treated them as fairly as possible considering the situation and the beyond-obvious need to rebuild. I don't believe either side "thumbed their nose." Also, with Kane specifically, there was a reason why the Rangers didn't elect to re-sign him. He was a shadow of himself before the surgery, and hindsight is always 20-20, but nobody could have predicted how well or effective said surgery would be. I read something recently where a doctor even said, paraphrasing, that the majority of players shouldn't expect to recover from that surgery as well as Kane. In other words, it's rare to do that, at his age. Good on him for doing so, but it's something no one -- GM's included -- could have predicted. Detroit had nothing to lose taking a chance. Also, keeping D-cat on this team for the next 3-5 years -- optimistically speaking -- until this team would be ready to compete and be a bonafide contender would have been pointless for both parties. Sometimes you have to put your head before your heart, which is what Davidson did, rightfully so. Also, I don't hold anything against Kane or Cat for signing with Detroit. You see this similar logic when it comes to Chelios defenders. Honestly, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of the latter; and I've always hated Detroit and still do. Kane just so happens to be on that team now, so I will never root for him again. I could stomach rooting for him on NY, but if he did the same thing while a member of that team, it still would have pissed me off to no end. |
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Post by Granada on Mar 4, 2024 11:10:05 GMT -6
Hello old friends, I must say I was quite pissed to see what transpired last night. I was hoping Chelios would get booed as he did the last time he stepped out on UC ice. This whole charade of "I've always been a Blackhawk" nonsense is garbage. He did nothing but rip this team and the fans every chance he got when he was with the Wings, and the fact he got his number retired before Brent Seabrook will forever be a frigging disgrace. He can think he was always a Blackhawk as much as he pleases, but to me and I hope to many long time fans of this team who remember and who were here during the the dark times, he'll always be nothing but a Winged-wheel putz; and he certainly wasn't a Blackhawk when he refused to don the Indian Head during the alumni team photo while. So he can spare me the BS. Also, I guess Kane actually skated out when he was announced the first star of the game. Again, that pisses me off. I love Kane, love what he did the for the city, I'm fine with him skating one last time after those stars were announced at the very end of the game (as he also did), but to skate out there on away ice while being announced the first, when half the frigging (can you swear here?) barn was Red Wing fans -- that was a bridge too far. This isn't your home ice anymore. You're a visitor. Maybe I'm in the minority, but the Showtime thing also pissed me off. Anyone who was rooting for Kane and/or a Wings win last night, I will never understand that. Last night, of all nights, you should have been rooting for a Hawks win, even if you're rooting for another tank year. One win last night isn't going to change that. Anyway, guess I'm still a bit fired up after that display. The only fitting thing was Chelios' real team won the game last night. Hope you guys are all well. Yeah, someone should have cross-checked Kane in the face for having the nerve to score the winning goal on a breakaway in OT. Doesn't he have any respect for the old arena and its fans? Yeah, we all should have been happier than masochistic pigs in shit that an ex-player on a team that has forever been the Hawks' biggest rival scored the winning goal in OT. Shouldn't we all just continue to bow down and put one ex-player above the entire team we've been rooting for our whole lives? |
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Post by Nikos on Mar 4, 2024 11:54:59 GMT -6
Ya know,if Kane and DeBrincat had opted out for more money through FA,or demanded a trade and bad-mouthed the team on the way out,thumbing their noses at the Org before purposefully joining forces on the team's biggest divisional rival,I too would have a problem supporting or following their careers,but that's not what happened. Imagine if they ended-up on the Blues! It was the Org who thumbed it's nose at the aging and injured future HoF,3 time cup winner and the best,young goal scorer they drafted since.....am I wrong on this? Alex DeBrincat signed with Detroit for ONE reason,it's his hometown and he proved it with a decent discount and Patrick Kane joined him for two reasons IMO. Stevie Y was the guy who showed the most interest and faith in Kane and Kane had faith in Stevie Y,the 2nd reason is the obvious chemistry between the two players on and off the ice. If someone is apt to revel in the brilliance of trading players like D-Cat,Hagle and Kane because the return of those trades will make the team better in the future.....and it might,not to mention booting Strome. Then they better be ready to 'stew in the juices' of watching these players excel in the meantime. D-Cat,Hagle and Strome are on pace for 90+ combined goals and Patrick Kane looks to be a point a game forward who's healthier than he's been in years. Screw the 'stew'.....LOL,that's more like a big pot of red gravy with neckbones and 'salsiccia'! Hey Bob, I'd disagree. I think the organization treated them as fairly as possible considering the situation and the beyond-obvious need to rebuild. I don't believe either side "thumbed their nose." Also, with Kane specifically, there was a reason why the Rangers didn't elect to re-sign him. He was a shadow of himself before the surgery, and hindsight is always 20-20, but nobody could have predicted how well or effective said surgery would be. I read something recently where a doctor even said, paraphrasing, that the majority of players shouldn't expect to recover from that surgery as well as Kane. In other words, it's rare to do that, at his age. Good on him for doing so, but it's something no one -- GM's included -- could have predicted. Detroit had nothing to lose taking a chance. Also, keeping D-cat on this team for the next 3-5 years -- optimistically speaking -- until this team would be ready to compete and be a bonafide contender would have been pointless for both parties. Sometimes you have to put your head before your heart, which is what Davidson did, rightfully so. Also, I don't hold anything against Kane or Cat for signing with Detroit. You see this similar logic when it comes to Chelios defenders. Honestly, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of the latter; and I've always hated Detroit and still do. Kane just so happens to be on that team now, so I will never root for him again. I could stomach rooting for him on NY, but if he did the same thing while a member of that team, it still would have pissed me off to no end. My only comment is regarding the effectiveness of the surgery. I thought Brad Marchand had similar procedure, yes, he 3-4 years younger than Kane, but doing just fine for the B's. |
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Post by Granada on Mar 4, 2024 12:08:53 GMT -6
Hey Bob, I'd disagree. I think the organization treated them as fairly as possible considering the situation and the beyond-obvious need to rebuild. I don't believe either side "thumbed their nose." Also, with Kane specifically, there was a reason why the Rangers didn't elect to re-sign him. He was a shadow of himself before the surgery, and hindsight is always 20-20, but nobody could have predicted how well or effective said surgery would be. I read something recently where a doctor even said, paraphrasing, that the majority of players shouldn't expect to recover from that surgery as well as Kane. In other words, it's rare to do that, at his age. Good on him for doing so, but it's something no one -- GM's included -- could have predicted. Detroit had nothing to lose taking a chance. Also, keeping D-cat on this team for the next 3-5 years -- optimistically speaking -- until this team would be ready to compete and be a bonafide contender would have been pointless for both parties. Sometimes you have to put your head before your heart, which is what Davidson did, rightfully so. Also, I don't hold anything against Kane or Cat for signing with Detroit. You see this similar logic when it comes to Chelios defenders. Honestly, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of the latter; and I've always hated Detroit and still do. Kane just so happens to be on that team now, so I will never root for him again. I could stomach rooting for him on NY, but if he did the same thing while a member of that team, it still would have pissed me off to no end. My only comment is regarding the effectiveness of the surgery. I thought Brad Marchand had similar procedure, yes, he 3-4 years younger than Kane, but doing just fine for the B's. True, but for every successful case, there is most likely a failure. See Backstrom. You just never really know. |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 4, 2024 12:27:48 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Mar 4, 2024 13:38:51 GMT -6
Ya know,if Kane and DeBrincat had opted out for more money through FA,or demanded a trade and bad-mouthed the team on the way out,thumbing their noses at the Org before purposefully joining forces on the team's biggest divisional rival,I too would have a problem supporting or following their careers,but that's not what happened. Imagine if they ended-up on the Blues! It was the Org who thumbed it's nose at the aging and injured future HoF,3 time cup winner and the best,young goal scorer they drafted since.....am I wrong on this? Alex DeBrincat signed with Detroit for ONE reason,it's his hometown and he proved it with a decent discount and Patrick Kane joined him for two reasons IMO. Stevie Y was the guy who showed the most interest and faith in Kane and Kane had faith in Stevie Y,the 2nd reason is the obvious chemistry between the two players on and off the ice. If someone is apt to revel in the brilliance of trading players like D-Cat,Hagle and Kane because the return of those trades will make the team better in the future.....and it might,not to mention booting Strome. Then they better be ready to 'stew in the juices' of watching these players excel in the meantime. D-Cat,Hagle and Strome are on pace for 90+ combined goals and Patrick Kane looks to be a point a game forward who's healthier than he's been in years. Screw the 'stew'.....LOL,that's more like a big pot of red gravy with neckbones and 'salsiccia'! Hey Bob, I'd disagree. I think the organization treated them as fairly as possible considering the situation and the beyond-obvious need to rebuild. I don't believe either side "thumbed their nose." Also, with Kane specifically, there was a reason why the Rangers didn't elect to re-sign him. He was a shadow of himself before the surgery, and hindsight is always 20-20, but nobody could have predicted how well or effective said surgery would be. I read something recently where a doctor even said, paraphrasing, that the majority of players shouldn't expect to recover from that surgery as well as Kane. In other words, it's rare to do that, at his age. Good on him for doing so, but it's something no one -- GM's included -- could have predicted. Detroit had nothing to lose taking a chance. Also, keeping D-cat on this team for the next 3-5 years -- optimistically speaking -- until this team would be ready to compete and be a bonafide contender would have been pointless for both parties. Sometimes you have to put your head before your heart, which is what Davidson did, rightfully so. Also, I don't hold anything against Kane or Cat for signing with Detroit. You see this similar logic when it comes to Chelios defenders. Honestly, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of the latter; and I've always hated Detroit and still do. Kane just so happens to be on that team now, so I will never root for him again. I could stomach rooting for him on NY, but if he did the same thing while a member of that team, it still would have pissed me off to no end. Hey G,you n me disagreeing.....preposterous! Kane and Toews,along along with a few others from the multi-cup era were made wealthy and famous by the previous Hawks' Org and all have been publicly grateful. None have ever bad-mouthed the team or the city. K&T woulda become rich regardless of where they played,but even a big fan of the two like me realizes the team success came as much from the Org itself as it did the two players. Many welcomed the new GM's public declaration of not wanting either back and many had frustrations with the two's cap-hits when here that well outweighed their once in a lifetime team accomplishments.....so be it. Stam Makita still remains the only truly great Black Hawk player who was allowed to finish his career in Chicago.....so be it. Were the odds against Kane making a full recovery and regaining his form from 3-4 years ago? Absolutely. What were the odds of Taylor Hall making much of an impact after scoring 16 goals last year and 63 the last five? What were the odds he'd stay healthy after missing a quarter of last year? What are the odds his 6M cap-hit frustrates anybody? 4.24MX@ for AA because he fattened-up on the PP with PK last year? 4M for Perry to embarrass the team? I know the cap-floor had to be reached but cap-space will actually mean something at some point.....let's hope it's used a LOT better in the future. I still don't believe most rebuilding GM's jettison outstanding 23 and 24yro players but Jr went scorched earth......so be it. Hagle's on pace for his 2nd straight 30 goal season and D-Cat averages 36 per.......only time will tell if the picks from those trades result in higher quality players.......THEY BETTER! |
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Post by Granada on Mar 4, 2024 14:54:47 GMT -6
Hey Bob, I'd disagree. I think the organization treated them as fairly as possible considering the situation and the beyond-obvious need to rebuild. I don't believe either side "thumbed their nose." Also, with Kane specifically, there was a reason why the Rangers didn't elect to re-sign him. He was a shadow of himself before the surgery, and hindsight is always 20-20, but nobody could have predicted how well or effective said surgery would be. I read something recently where a doctor even said, paraphrasing, that the majority of players shouldn't expect to recover from that surgery as well as Kane. In other words, it's rare to do that, at his age. Good on him for doing so, but it's something no one -- GM's included -- could have predicted. Detroit had nothing to lose taking a chance. Also, keeping D-cat on this team for the next 3-5 years -- optimistically speaking -- until this team would be ready to compete and be a bonafide contender would have been pointless for both parties. Sometimes you have to put your head before your heart, which is what Davidson did, rightfully so. Also, I don't hold anything against Kane or Cat for signing with Detroit. You see this similar logic when it comes to Chelios defenders. Honestly, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of the latter; and I've always hated Detroit and still do. Kane just so happens to be on that team now, so I will never root for him again. I could stomach rooting for him on NY, but if he did the same thing while a member of that team, it still would have pissed me off to no end. Hey G,you n me disagreeing.....preposterous! Kane and Toews,along along with a few others from the multi-cup era were made wealthy and famous by the previous Hawks' Org and all have been publicly grateful. None have ever bad-mouthed the team or the city. K&T woulda become rich regardless of where they played,but even a big fan of the two like me realizes the team success came as much from the Org itself as it did the two players. Many welcomed the new GM's public declaration of not wanting either back and many had frustrations with the two's cap-hits when here that well outweighed their once in a lifetime team accomplishments.....so be it. Stam Makita still remains the only truly great Black Hawk player who was allowed to finish his career in Chicago.....so be it. Were the odds against Kane making a full recovery and regaining his form from 3-4 years ago? Absolutely. What were the odds of Taylor Hall making much of an impact after scoring 16 goals last year and 63 the last five? What were the odds he'd stay healthy after missing a quarter of last year? What are the odds his 6M cap-hit frustrates anybody? 4.24MX@ for AA because he fattened-up on the PP with PK last year? 4M for Perry to embarrass the team? I know the cap-floor had to be reached but cap-space will actually mean something at some point.....let's hope it's used a LOT better in the future. I still don't believe most rebuilding GM's jettison outstanding 23 and 24yro players but Jr went scorched earth......so be it. Hagle's on pace for his 2nd straight 30 goal season and D-Cat averages 36 per.......only time will tell if the picks from those trades result in higher quality players.......THEY BETTER! Haha, right?! As far as Hall, term obviously had a lot to do with it. It really wasn't feasible to expect Kane to re-sign for a year or two; that wouldn't have made sense for either side. Age also, in addition to size. I had no problem with this move at the time and feel like, if Hall hadn't gotten injured, Bedard and the team as a whole would have benefitted exponentially. Going with a cost-controlled, term-friendly top-six power-forward to play with Bedard instead of a smaller finesse/skill guy in Kane made and still makes sense to me, even if it isn't Hall going forward. That should be the starting template for a line with Bedard, size matters and you need balance in terms of a top-six forward with size. Sure, playing with Kane for a year would have been nice for Bedard, but it made more sense pairing him with a power forward instead of another play maker. Also, Hall is a stop-gap. I don't expect him to be here once this team is ready. Kane would have been the same thing no matter how he performed; and assuming he'd tear it up as he's done with Detroit, he would have been jettisoned all the same because his asking price would have gone even higher -- this is still TBD by the way. I feel like, for any GM, Kane is a risky long-term signing. If he continues to play like he is with Detroit, would you be comfortable signing him for at least the 3-4 years he'll probably seek, at who knows what his asking price will (you can bet it will be exponentially more than the 2.75 one-year he signed for)? I wouldn't. He's playing great so far after a prolonged off-season, good on him, but at his age and the fact he's somewhat (in my view) one injury away from his career being over, I would not want to make that decision. In other words, Kane was gone no matter what. Davidson realized this. Hagel -- that was an offer any GM couldn't refuse. Cat -- that was the one I might agree with you on, but even there, it didn't really make sense to re-up him on a team so far from contending. At the time, Davidson needed picks more than anything. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 5, 2024 11:34:58 GMT -6
Hey G,you n me disagreeing.....preposterous! Kane and Toews,along along with a few others from the multi-cup era were made wealthy and famous by the previous Hawks' Org and all have been publicly grateful. None have ever bad-mouthed the team or the city. K&T woulda become rich regardless of where they played,but even a big fan of the two like me realizes the team success came as much from the Org itself as it did the two players. Many welcomed the new GM's public declaration of not wanting either back and many had frustrations with the two's cap-hits when here that well outweighed their once in a lifetime team accomplishments.....so be it. Stam Makita still remains the only truly great Black Hawk player who was allowed to finish his career in Chicago.....so be it. Were the odds against Kane making a full recovery and regaining his form from 3-4 years ago? Absolutely. What were the odds of Taylor Hall making much of an impact after scoring 16 goals last year and 63 the last five? What were the odds he'd stay healthy after missing a quarter of last year? What are the odds his 6M cap-hit frustrates anybody? 4.24MX@ for AA because he fattened-up on the PP with PK last year? 4M for Perry to embarrass the team? I know the cap-floor had to be reached but cap-space will actually mean something at some point.....let's hope it's used a LOT better in the future. I still don't believe most rebuilding GM's jettison outstanding 23 and 24yro players but Jr went scorched earth......so be it. Hagle's on pace for his 2nd straight 30 goal season and D-Cat averages 36 per.......only time will tell if the picks from those trades result in higher quality players.......THEY BETTER! Haha, right?! As far as Hall, term obviously had a lot to do with it. It really wasn't feasible to expect Kane to re-sign for a year or two; that wouldn't have made sense for either side. Age also, in addition to size. I had no problem with this move at the time and feel like, if Hall hadn't gotten injured, Bedard and the team as a whole would have benefitted exponentially. Going with a cost-controlled, term-friendly top-six power-forward to play with Bedard instead of a smaller finesse/skill guy in Kane made and still makes sense to me, even if it isn't Hall going forward. That should be the starting template for a line with Bedard, size matters and you need balance in terms of a top-six forward with size. Sure, playing with Kane for a year would have been nice for Bedard, but it made more sense pairing him with a power forward instead of another play maker. Also, Hall is a stop-gap. I don't expect him to be here once this team is ready. Kane would have been the same thing no matter how he performed; and assuming he'd tear it up as he's done with Detroit, he would have been jettisoned all the same because his asking price would have gone even higher -- this is still TBD by the way. I feel like, for any GM, Kane is a risky long-term signing. If he continues to play like he is with Detroit, would you be comfortable signing him for at least the 3-4 years he'll probably seek, at who knows what his asking price will (you can bet it will be exponentially more than the 2.75 one-year he signed for)? I wouldn't. He's playing great so far after a prolonged off-season, good on him, but at his age and the fact he's somewhat (in my view) one injury away from his career being over, I would not want to make that decision. In other words, Kane was gone no matter what. Davidson realized this. Hagel -- that was an offer any GM couldn't refuse. Cat -- that was the one I might agree with you on, but even there, it didn't really make sense to re-up him on a team so far from contending. At the time, Davidson needed picks more than anything. Taylor Hall started only 33 games in '18-19' and missed 1/4 of the season to injury @31 last year,they don't get heathier at that age. His 16gls last year and his 20 the year before on one of the league's best teams were his best seasons in years,expecting health and production from this player was obviously over-optimistic to put it mildly. Domi expressed interest in returning to Chicago but Jr decided giving AA 4.25M for two years was a better deal,he's 'groined' his way to 4pts in 11gms so far and Perry only embarrassed the young GM and made him cry in a presser.....for 4M bucks. There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players. If you think this was 14.25M well spent......I dunno what to say. "Kane was gone no matter what"? I agree......Jr didn't want him back. The team needed picks AND prospects IMO. No rebuilding GM has ever acquired only picks in return when trading their star players but ours only wanted picks. Buffalo got Thompson and Tuch along with great picks when they traded star players,Ott got Josh Norris,Philly got Tippett and MN got 21yro D-man Brock Faber from LA when they moved Fiala.......Faber led all NHL D-men in TOI last time I looked. It's always been a top prospect AND a 1st+ when trading a star player,even an old one like 34yro Giroux brought a 1st and Tippett but it seems it's only been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th when we moved much younger star players. Why? Acquiring quality prospects in their early 20's vs only 18yro draft picks can speed up the time-line quite a bit but I guess that speeds up the time-line on accountability too....can't have that. This unusual approach will buy years of cover for Danny and his young brain trust before last place becomes un-cool because they lucked into a phenom who can keep the UC full and lead the league in jersey sales in the meantime but how long can a honeymoon last? |
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Post by Granada on Mar 5, 2024 14:09:03 GMT -6
Haha, right?! As far as Hall, term obviously had a lot to do with it. It really wasn't feasible to expect Kane to re-sign for a year or two; that wouldn't have made sense for either side. Age also, in addition to size. I had no problem with this move at the time and feel like, if Hall hadn't gotten injured, Bedard and the team as a whole would have benefitted exponentially. Going with a cost-controlled, term-friendly top-six power-forward to play with Bedard instead of a smaller finesse/skill guy in Kane made and still makes sense to me, even if it isn't Hall going forward. That should be the starting template for a line with Bedard, size matters and you need balance in terms of a top-six forward with size. Sure, playing with Kane for a year would have been nice for Bedard, but it made more sense pairing him with a power forward instead of another play maker. Also, Hall is a stop-gap. I don't expect him to be here once this team is ready. Kane would have been the same thing no matter how he performed; and assuming he'd tear it up as he's done with Detroit, he would have been jettisoned all the same because his asking price would have gone even higher -- this is still TBD by the way. I feel like, for any GM, Kane is a risky long-term signing. If he continues to play like he is with Detroit, would you be comfortable signing him for at least the 3-4 years he'll probably seek, at who knows what his asking price will (you can bet it will be exponentially more than the 2.75 one-year he signed for)? I wouldn't. He's playing great so far after a prolonged off-season, good on him, but at his age and the fact he's somewhat (in my view) one injury away from his career being over, I would not want to make that decision. In other words, Kane was gone no matter what. Davidson realized this. Hagel -- that was an offer any GM couldn't refuse. Cat -- that was the one I might agree with you on, but even there, it didn't really make sense to re-up him on a team so far from contending. At the time, Davidson needed picks more than anything. Taylor Hall started only 33 games in '18-19' and missed 1/4 of the season to injury @31 last year,they don't get heathier at that age. His 16gls last year and his 20 the year before on one of the league's best teams were his best seasons in years,expecting health and production from this player was obviously over-optimistic to put it mildly. Domi expressed interest in returning to Chicago but Jr decided giving AA 4.25M for two years was a better deal,he's 'groined' his way to 4pts in 11gms so far and Perry only embarrassed the young GM and made him cry in a presser.....for 4M bucks. There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players. If you think this was 14.25M well spent......I dunno what to say. "Kane was gone no matter what"? I agree......Jr didn't want him back. The team needed picks AND prospects IMO. No rebuilding GM has ever acquired only picks in return when trading their star players but ours only wanted picks. Buffalo got Thompson and Tuch along with great picks when they traded star players,Ott got Josh Norris,Philly got Tippett and MN got 21yro D-man Brock Faber from LA when they moved Fiala.......Faber led all NHL D-men in TOI last time I looked. It's always been a top prospect AND a 1st+ when trading a star player,even an old one like 34yro Giroux brought a 1st and Tippett but it seems it's only been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th when we moved much younger star players. Why? Acquiring quality prospects in their early 20's vs only 18yro draft picks can speed up the time-line quite a bit but I guess that speeds up the time-line on accountability too....can't have that. This unusual approach will buy years of cover for Danny and his young brain trust before last place becomes un-cool because they lucked into a phenom who can keep the UC full and lead the league in jersey sales in the meantime but how long can a honeymoon last? "There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players." Not sure what you're basing that on. Perry was picked up pretty quickly from Edmonton. I would assume many teams would have been willing to take a chance on Hall. Also, you're blaming Davidson for taking a chance on Hall when he would have been taking an equally risky chance (health-wise) with a pre-surgery Kane who was even older, and not a power forward. Not sure where Domi entered the conversation, but if you want to complain about not re-upping him of all people, I don't what to tell you. He was fine at best but I certainly don't pine for him. Jr. didn't want Kane back because he just would have delaying the inevitable for one year either way, which would have been pointless, and risky, considering his upcoming surgery. I wouldn't characterize the Hawks "lucking into" Bedard, that was a clear strategy before the year even began and Davidson was successful. He didn't get last place, but the roster he constructed was built for last place and for the number one pick, this was quite obvious to everyone around the league, including analysts. I don't know, I guess you can complain about the return for Kane. If your major gripe is that he didn't get a prospect thrown in, I'd say NY had the upper hand because of Kane's NMC and the fact he only wanted to go the Rangers at the time. If he got a bad return for Kane, he made up for it in spades with the return he got for Hagel. But again, there are variables here that I think you're ignoring. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 6, 2024 10:10:37 GMT -6
Taylor Hall started only 33 games in '18-19' and missed 1/4 of the season to injury @31 last year,they don't get heathier at that age. His 16gls last year and his 20 the year before on one of the league's best teams were his best seasons in years,expecting health and production from this player was obviously over-optimistic to put it mildly. Domi expressed interest in returning to Chicago but Jr decided giving AA 4.25M for two years was a better deal,he's 'groined' his way to 4pts in 11gms so far and Perry only embarrassed the young GM and made him cry in a presser.....for 4M bucks. There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players. If you think this was 14.25M well spent......I dunno what to say. "Kane was gone no matter what"? I agree......Jr didn't want him back. The team needed picks AND prospects IMO. No rebuilding GM has ever acquired only picks in return when trading their star players but ours only wanted picks. Buffalo got Thompson and Tuch along with great picks when they traded star players,Ott got Josh Norris,Philly got Tippett and MN got 21yro D-man Brock Faber from LA when they moved Fiala.......Faber led all NHL D-men in TOI last time I looked. It's always been a top prospect AND a 1st+ when trading a star player,even an old one like 34yro Giroux brought a 1st and Tippett but it seems it's only been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th when we moved much younger star players. Why? Acquiring quality prospects in their early 20's vs only 18yro draft picks can speed up the time-line quite a bit but I guess that speeds up the time-line on accountability too....can't have that. This unusual approach will buy years of cover for Danny and his young brain trust before last place becomes un-cool because they lucked into a phenom who can keep the UC full and lead the league in jersey sales in the meantime but how long can a honeymoon last? "There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players." Not sure what you're basing that on. Perry was picked up pretty quickly from Edmonton. I would assume many teams would have been willing to take a chance on Hall. Also, you're blaming Davidson for taking a chance on Hall when he would have been taking an equally risky chance (health-wise) with a pre-surgery Kane who was even older, and not a power forward. Not sure where Domi entered the conversation, but if you want to complain about not re-upping him of all people, I don't what to tell you. He was fine at best but I certainly don't pine for him. Jr. didn't want Kane back because he just would have delaying the inevitable for one year either way, which would have been pointless, and risky, considering his upcoming surgery. I wouldn't characterize the Hawks "lucking into" Bedard, that was a clear strategy before the year even began and Davidson was successful. He didn't get last place, but the roster he constructed was built for last place and for the number one pick, this was quite obvious to everyone around the league, including analysts. I don't know, I guess you can complain about the return for Kane. If your major gripe is that he didn't get a prospect thrown in, I'd say NY had the upper hand because of Kane's NMC and the fact he only wanted to go the Rangers at the time. If he got a bad return for Kane, he made up for it in spades with the return he got for Hagel. But again, there are variables here that I think you're ignoring. Let's not bore the rest of the board,you ignore my points anyway. |
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Post by Granada on Mar 6, 2024 10:43:47 GMT -6
"There was no gun to the GM's head and there were no suitors lined-up for any of the three players." Not sure what you're basing that on. Perry was picked up pretty quickly from Edmonton. I would assume many teams would have been willing to take a chance on Hall. Also, you're blaming Davidson for taking a chance on Hall when he would have been taking an equally risky chance (health-wise) with a pre-surgery Kane who was even older, and not a power forward. Not sure where Domi entered the conversation, but if you want to complain about not re-upping him of all people, I don't what to tell you. He was fine at best but I certainly don't pine for him. Jr. didn't want Kane back because he just would have delaying the inevitable for one year either way, which would have been pointless, and risky, considering his upcoming surgery. I wouldn't characterize the Hawks "lucking into" Bedard, that was a clear strategy before the year even began and Davidson was successful. He didn't get last place, but the roster he constructed was built for last place and for the number one pick, this was quite obvious to everyone around the league, including analysts. I don't know, I guess you can complain about the return for Kane. If your major gripe is that he didn't get a prospect thrown in, I'd say NY had the upper hand because of Kane's NMC and the fact he only wanted to go the Rangers at the time. If he got a bad return for Kane, he made up for it in spades with the return he got for Hagel. But again, there are variables here that I think you're ignoring. Let's not bore the rest of the board, you ignore my points anyway. Okay, but again, I disagree  |
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