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Post by vadarx on Mar 31, 2024 0:29:21 GMT -6
fn jones seems not to pass to Bedard when Bedard is wide open cocked and locked. Jones should not be on PP I’ve noticed that as well. It seems like Jones has zero care to pass to Bedard. Just sucks!!! it has been this way all season. I said way back in October that Jones shouldn't be on the top pp if he isn't going to look for 98. only thing I can think is he must have been told to shoot it, cuz it looks blatant at times... |
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Post by Tater on Mar 31, 2024 2:22:11 GMT -6
I'm happy for Reichel and Whistle scoring... finally. But man, Raddish has really fallen off. He plays disinterested and doesn't even finish checks anymore. If your not gonna score, at last do the little things.
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Post by ukhawk on Mar 31, 2024 3:12:21 GMT -6
I like the way this goes to everyone, stars and foot soldiers… Well deserved, Joey always puts a shift in regardless of who his line mates are. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 31, 2024 6:19:41 GMT -6
I’ve noticed that as well. It seems like Jones has zero care to pass to Bedard. Just sucks!!! it has been this way all season. I said way back in October that Jones shouldn't be on the top pp if he isn't going to look for 98. only think I can think is he must have been told to shoot it, cuz it looks blatant at times... There was a game where Jones had Bedard wide open to his left in OT and he took the shot, he even skated down to get his rebound and took another bad unscreened shot, the play went back the other way and the Hawks lost. Jones is selfish and acting like a spoiled brat, the sooner he's off the team the better. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Mar 31, 2024 7:42:14 GMT -6
Well that was a real fun game. They matched the physical play of Philly. Bloom with a real good game. Not sure who that was wearing 27 but he looked good. 44 getting to his spots first then making plays. Great battle win by the Dick on what I think was the 3rd goal.All four lines played with jump. Gonna enjoy this one might be the last one for the year.
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Post by BigT on Mar 31, 2024 8:00:31 GMT -6
it has been this way all season. I said way back in October that Jones shouldn't be on the top pp if he isn't going to look for 98. only think I can think is he must have been told to shoot it, cuz it looks blatant at times... There was a game where Jones had Bedard wide open to his left in OT and he took the shot, he even skated down to get his rebound and took another bad unscreened shot, the play went back the other way and the Hawks lost. Jones is selfish and acting like a spoiled brat, the sooner he's off the team the better. I couldn’t agree more. He’s very selfish. Very. My son has a kid on his team like that. He could be such a great player. But on a 3-1 he’ll just shoot from the blue line instead of letting another kid score. His team has lost soooo many games from this selfish kid. Right shot coming down the right wing, he shoots from an impossible angle, the puck rings around and the other team goes down on an odd man rush and scores. It happens way too much and coaches still put him out all the time. I see the same dam. Things with Jones. It’s gives me no hope that this kid will change!!! |
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Post by tincup on Mar 31, 2024 9:09:24 GMT -6
Well that was a real fun game. They matched the physical play of Philly. Bloom with a real good game. Not sure who that was wearing 27 but he looked good. 44 getting to his spots first then making plays. Great battle win by the Dick on what I think was the 3rd goal.All four lines played with jump. Gonna enjoy this one might be the last one for the year. Playing Bedard on the wing seemed to free him up and Dickinson playing centre was the best choice. It also shows the versatility of Kurashev who can and has played every forward position again this year. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 31, 2024 9:30:41 GMT -6
I want a win but if they get it they’re within 3 points of Anaheim with one in hand. Conflicted feelings about this. They are in danger of finishing 4th from the bottom. Perhaps even 5th. sigh. They were 5th worst when they got Kane. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 31, 2024 12:03:25 GMT -6
There was a game where Jones had Bedard wide open to his left in OT and he took the shot, he even skated down to get his rebound and took another bad unscreened shot, the play went back the other way and the Hawks lost. Jones is selfish and acting like a spoiled brat, the sooner he's off the team the better. I couldn’t agree more. He’s very selfish. Very. My son has a kid on his team like that. He could be such a great player. But on a 3-1 he’ll just shoot from the blue line instead of letting another kid score. His team has lost soooo many games from this selfish kid. Right shot coming down the right wing, he shoots from an impossible angle, the puck rings around and the other team goes down on an odd man rush and scores. It happens way too much and coaches still put him out all the time. I see the same dam. Things with Jones. It’s gives me no hope that this kid will change!!! If that kid, or Jones, gets a coach that will hold than accountable there might be change. I would hope LR had the clockweights to do so. Ditto with everyone including Bedard. It does no one any good if you play like a selfish twat. No hockey team ever won the cup without playing like a team. If all it took was a superstar, McDavid would have a cup already and Ovi would have more than one. |
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Post by guest on Mar 31, 2024 13:29:55 GMT -6
Hawks will finish no better then 3rd worst if you look at the odds. Hawks can only get 16 more points on the season if they were to win out. They are 11 points behind Columbus. Does anyone think the Hawks can even get 10 out of a possible 16 points the rest of the way? And then see Columbus not win another game?
Maybe they think that their luck is getting the 3rd worst slot in the draft again? But they did the same thing last season, winning games, including beating Boston and eliminating Pittsburgh, to move from the worst to 3rd worst record and it worked out OK.
And hopefully after this season, they start spending the cap money and bring in free agents to fill the top 6. There's no reason after this draft to go thru another crap year like this. Most of the work will be done, they don't need 3 years of top 3 picks to start building to the playoffs next season.
And hopefully they'll fire Vosters and get an experienced hockey (Weideman) in the both next year.
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 31, 2024 13:33:57 GMT -6
Hawks will finish no better then 3rd worst if you look at the odds. Hawks can only get 16 more points on the season if they were to win out. They are 11 points behind Columbus. Does anyone think the Hawks can even get 10 out of a possible 16 points the rest of the way? And then see Columbus not win another game? Maybe they think that their luck is getting the 3rd worst slot in the draft again? But they did the same thing last season, winning games, including beating Boston and eliminating Pittsburgh, to move from the worst to 3rd worst record and it worked out OK. And hopefully after this season, they start spending the cap money and bring in free agents to fill the top 6. There's no reason after this draft to go thru another crap year like this. Most of the work will be done, they don't need 3 years of top 3 picks to start building to the playoffs next season. And hopefully they'll fire Vosters and get an experienced hockey (Weideman) in the both next year. I think this year gave the brass decent insight as to where guys are and what they might be. I am expecting some FA/trade help, but also expecting some more prospects in their freshman season next year, with some dead weight removed if at all possible. If this year is 2006, worst i expect next year would be 2007. Best I'm expecting is 2008. I think there are still too many holes to fill via the FA market/trade market/prospects to be a 2009 analogue. |
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Post by guest on Mar 31, 2024 13:47:14 GMT -6
Bottom Feeders Games Remaining (Sharks appear to have locked up worst record, so here's the other 3):
Anaheim (8): 3/31 @ Vancouver, 4/2 @ Calgary, 4/5 vs Seattle, 4/7 vs St.Louis, 4/9 vs Los Angeles, 4/12 vs Calgary, 4/13 @ Los Angeles, 4/18 @ Vegas
Hawks (8): 4/2 @ NY Islanders, 4/6 vs Dallas, 4/7 vs Minnesota, 4/10 @ St.Louis, 4/12 vs Nashville, 4/14 vs Carolina, 4/16 @ Vegas, 4/18 @ Los Angeles
Columbus (8): 4/1 vs Colorado, 4/4 vs NY Islanders, 4/6 vs Philadelphia, 4/7 @ Carolina, 4/9 @ Tampa, 4/11 @ Florida, 4/13 @ Nashville, 4/16 vs Carolina
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Post by malagahawks on Mar 31, 2024 13:59:48 GMT -6
I'd be happy finishing with the 3rd worst record. After Cellebrini it becomes a pretty even toss-up on talent by most articles I've read.
I wonder if Levshunov might be the pick. He seems to be the most 2 way ready DMan in the draft.
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Post by BigT on Mar 31, 2024 15:12:19 GMT -6
I'd be happy finishing with the 3rd worst record. After Cellebrini it becomes a pretty even toss-up on talent by most articles I've read. I wonder if Levshunov might be the pick. He seems to be the most 2 way ready DMan in the draft. If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 31, 2024 17:36:26 GMT -6
I'd be happy finishing with the 3rd worst record. After Cellebrini it becomes a pretty even toss-up on talent by most articles I've read. I wonder if Levshunov might be the pick. He seems to be the most 2 way ready DMan in the draft. If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! tbh, I think Lindstrom's injury (and the glut of promising defensemen) is dropping him a little right now. |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 31, 2024 17:45:18 GMT -6
I'd be happy finishing with the 3rd worst record. After Cellebrini it becomes a pretty even toss-up on talent by most articles I've read. I wonder if Levshunov might be the pick. He seems to be the most 2 way ready DMan in the draft. If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! I'm partial to Parekh, but Lindstrom is a fine choice too. If the Hawks finish 2nd from the bottom, the lottery will convert that to a 4th or 5th pick, most likely. But we will still find a useful player. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Mar 31, 2024 19:23:51 GMT -6
If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! I'm partial to Parekh, but Lindstrom is a fine choice too. If the Hawks finish 2nd from the bottom, the lottery will convert that to a 4th or 5th pick, most likely. But we will still find a useful player. Ill still take Levshunov but ill get 2nd round of the chl playoff and give Parekh a good look |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Mar 31, 2024 19:54:20 GMT -6
If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! I'm partial to Parekh, but Lindstrom is a fine choice too. If the Hawks finish 2nd from the bottom, the lottery will convert that to a 4th or 5th pick, most likely. But we will still find a useful player. The lottery was changed a year or two ago where there are only two teams that can move - not three like before. Therefore if they finish 2nd the worst that can happen is that they drop back two positions to 4th. |
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Post by 2old4this on Mar 31, 2024 21:11:20 GMT -6
I rely on tankathon. And it still gets me confused.
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Post by Granada on Apr 1, 2024 6:52:02 GMT -6
There was a game where Jones had Bedard wide open to his left in OT and he took the shot, he even skated down to get his rebound and took another bad unscreened shot, the play went back the other way and the Hawks lost. Jones is selfish and acting like a spoiled brat, the sooner he's off the team the better. I couldn’t agree more. He’s very selfish. Very. My son has a kid on his team like that. He could be such a great player. But on a 3-1 he’ll just shoot from the blue line instead of letting another kid score. His team has lost soooo many games from this selfish kid. Right shot coming down the right wing, he shoots from an impossible angle, the puck rings around and the other team goes down on an odd man rush and scores. It happens way too much and coaches still put him out all the time. I see the same dam. Things with Jones. It’s gives me no hope that this kid will change!!! Not saying you're wrong here, but I have to wonder if he isn't being coached to shoot more. If memory serves, it wasn't too long ago that the knock on Jones was that he doesn't shoot enough. I've felt like in seasons past, he hasn't been assertive enough; now he's trying to be more assertive, and it's backfiring horribly. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 1, 2024 9:06:01 GMT -6
I couldn’t agree more. He’s very selfish. Very. My son has a kid on his team like that. He could be such a great player. But on a 3-1 he’ll just shoot from the blue line instead of letting another kid score. His team has lost soooo many games from this selfish kid. Right shot coming down the right wing, he shoots from an impossible angle, the puck rings around and the other team goes down on an odd man rush and scores. It happens way too much and coaches still put him out all the time. I see the same dam. Things with Jones. It’s gives me no hope that this kid will change!!! Not saying you're wrong here, but I have to wonder if he isn't being coached to shoot more. If memory serves, it wasn't too long ago that the knock on Jones was that he doesn't shoot enough. i was wondering the same...if it was coach's orders. but i see no sign of it really in the article from a few days ago. coach luke seems pleased with it but i see no sign that he pressed seth to shoot more. i don't think it's all bad. if your blueliners are all of the sudden more of a threat to score, it has to open up passing lanes that may not have existed prior. i'm no Xs and Os guy so just blowing smoke here maybe. sports.yahoo.com/blackhawks-d-seth-jones-uptick-152200642.html |
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Post by Granada on Apr 1, 2024 9:37:41 GMT -6
Not saying you're wrong here, but I have to wonder if he isn't being coached to shoot more. If memory serves, it wasn't too long ago that the knock on Jones was that he doesn't shoot enough. i was wondering the same...if it was coach's orders. but i see no sign of it really in the article from a few days ago. coach luke seems pleased with it but i see no sign that he pressed seth to shoot more. i don't think it's all bad. if your blueliners are all of the sudden more of a threat to score, it has to open up passing lanes that may not have existed prior. i'm no Xs and Os guy so just blowing smoke here maybe. sports.yahoo.com/blackhawks-d-seth-jones-uptick-152200642.htmlI mean Richardson does directly allude to it in the article, which makes me think the staff was in his ear, but no way to really prove it. Either way, the guy is "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't." Shoot, that is. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 1, 2024 10:03:29 GMT -6
I couldn’t agree more. He’s very selfish. Very. My son has a kid on his team like that. He could be such a great player. But on a 3-1 he’ll just shoot from the blue line instead of letting another kid score. His team has lost soooo many games from this selfish kid. Right shot coming down the right wing, he shoots from an impossible angle, the puck rings around and the other team goes down on an odd man rush and scores. It happens way too much and coaches still put him out all the time. I see the same dam. Things with Jones. It’s gives me no hope that this kid will change!!! Not saying you're wrong here, but I have to wonder if he isn't being coached to shoot more. If memory serves, it wasn't too long ago that the knock on Jones was that he doesn't shoot enough. I've felt like in seasons past, he hasn't been assertive enough; now he's trying to be more assertive, and it's backfiring horribly. Yeah I agree with you and GT. We all know the d-men are being encouraged to shoot more and I don't think Jones is consciously trying to avoid passing to Bedard - but my gripe about Jones shooting is not that he takes shots - it's that he takes ill advised shots too often. There are too many times when he takes the shot and the goalie has an unobstructed view and easy save and often times with no teammate in close proximity for a deflection or put back rebound - not ALL the time but too many times. I wonder if the problem is more about following the directive to shoot more when there are better options for him to take to keep possession and enhance a scoring chance. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 1, 2024 10:23:35 GMT -6
Not saying you're wrong here, but I have to wonder if he isn't being coached to shoot more. If memory serves, it wasn't too long ago that the knock on Jones was that he doesn't shoot enough. I've felt like in seasons past, he hasn't been assertive enough; now he's trying to be more assertive, and it's backfiring horribly. Yeah I agree with you and GT. We all know the d-men are being encouraged to shoot more and I don't think Jones is consciously trying to avoid passing to Bedard - but my gripe about Jones shooting is not that he takes shots - it's that he takes ill advised shots too often. There are too many times when he takes the shot and the goalie has an unobstructed view and easy save and often times with no teammate in close proximity for a deflection or put back rebound - not ALL the time but too many times. I wonder if the problem is more about following the directive to shoot more when there are better options for him to take to keep possession and enhance a scoring chance.agree with everything in your post. in no way do i believe jones is intentionally snubbing bedard by shooting instead of passing to him. i'm not seth's biggest defender because we are stuck with him and it is what it is...and i do see a lot of positives in his play. but in response to the bolded, if in fact it's true...he ought to know by now when to take his shots and when to defer. regardless if it was coach's orders or not. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 1, 2024 11:15:49 GMT -6
It’s not that anyone isn’t saying he shouldn’t shoot. He’s forcing the puck, and looking off Bedard. It’s like it pains him to pass the puck to Bedard. We all know #98 has a wicked shot. When have we really seen it? I mean there’s been the odd time, but nothing worth writing home about.
I think they need a cohesive 5 man unit out there. Selfishness will lead to one guy getting a few more goals, but the collective suffers and the team will be losers!!!
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Post by BigT on Apr 1, 2024 11:22:20 GMT -6
If the Hawks pick 2-4. I’m starting to think that they take either Lindstrom or Parekh. Both are very good skaters. Both are offensively gifted, they seem to fit what the Hawks are looking for. Obviously Celebrini will be #1!!! tbh, I think Lindstrom's injury (and the glut of promising defensemen) is dropping him a little right now. I think you’re the night. I seen Lindstrom as low as 16. So maybe he slides down quite a bit. I still think the Hawks will pick 2-3. SJ will 100% get the first pick. After this years draft. The Hawks will have picked 7 times in the first round in a 3 year timeframe. There’s 2 firsts next year. So to have 8 first round picks in 4 years should just about rebuild a team. Plus there was 12 second rounders in that timeframe. There should be some fruit soon. Hawks will have the luxury soon to trade unproven assets for proven ones. There’s always a team rebuilding!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 1, 2024 12:00:26 GMT -6
It’s not that anyone isn’t saying he shouldn’t shoot. He’s forcing the puck, and looking off Bedard. It’s like it pains him to pass the puck to Bedard. We all know #98 has a wicked shot. When have we really seen it? I mean there’s been the odd time, but nothing worth writing home about. I think they need a cohesive 5 man unit out there. Selfishness will lead to one guy getting a few more goals, but the collective suffers and the team will be losers!!! I've been advocating for some time for KK to replace Seth on PP#1 but I read a comment recently that made sense regarding KK already having a lot on his plate trying to shore up the defensive side of his game so adding the responsibility of QB'ing PP#1 may not be good for him at this time. Plus, as I write this today - there are only 8 games left in the season so it's not a big deal to defer the KK/Seth switch until next season. But - I sure hope the KK/Seth switch happens next season. As I've said many times - neither KK or Seth have a killer shot so "strength of shot" isn't a determining factor - but I think KK sees passing lanes and can deliver a pass better than Seth so for that reason I think he is the better option for PP#1. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 1, 2024 13:45:16 GMT -6
tbh, I think Lindstrom's injury (and the glut of promising defensemen) is dropping him a little right now. I think you’re the night. I seen Lindstrom as low as 16. So maybe he slides down quite a bit. I still think the Hawks will pick 2-3. SJ will 100% get the first pick. After this years draft. The Hawks will have picked 7 times in the first round in a 3 year timeframe. There’s 2 firsts next year. So to have 8 first round picks in 4 years should just about rebuild a team. Plus there was 12 second rounders in that timeframe. There should be some fruit soon. Hawks will have the luxury soon to trade unproven assets for proven ones. There’s always a team rebuilding!!! with 2 firsts/3 seconds this year and 2 firsts/2 seconds next year, I would like to see us try and move up higher in the first round this year. feels like we could find someone to swap with us this draft and move that tb pick plus whatever to move up higher with our second first rounder. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 1, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -6
I think you’re the night. I seen Lindstrom as low as 16. So maybe he slides down quite a bit. I still think the Hawks will pick 2-3. SJ will 100% get the first pick. After this years draft. The Hawks will have picked 7 times in the first round in a 3 year timeframe. There’s 2 firsts next year. So to have 8 first round picks in 4 years should just about rebuild a team. Plus there was 12 second rounders in that timeframe. There should be some fruit soon. Hawks will have the luxury soon to trade unproven assets for proven ones. There’s always a team rebuilding!!! with 2 firsts/3 seconds this year and 2 firsts/2 seconds next year, I would like to see us try and move up higher in the first round this year. feels like we could find someone to swap with us this draft and move that tb pick plus whatever to move up higher with our second first rounder. Before I read this I just posted the same thing in the other thread. I would love to move two of those 2nds and Tampas pick to move into the top 10. I’d love to get Parekh with the Hawks pick, and with the traded new top 10 pick I’d love to get Lindstrom. I think this solidifies the team for a while!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 1, 2024 17:46:56 GMT -6
with 2 firsts/3 seconds this year and 2 firsts/2 seconds next year, I would like to see us try and move up higher in the first round this year. feels like we could find someone to swap with us this draft and move that tb pick plus whatever to move up higher with our second first rounder. Before I read this I just posted the same thing in the other thread. I would love to move two of those 2nds and Tampas pick to move into the top 10. I’d love to get Parekh with the Hawks pick, and with the traded new top 10 pick I’d love to get Lindstrom. I think this solidifies the team for a while!!! There are circumstances when quantity can be the right choice over quality but most of the time quality over quantity is the way to go and I agree that it's the right approach for the Hawks to take in the 2024 draft - mainly for 2 reasons. First, the Hawks have had an abundance of 1st/2nd/3rd round picks in the past 2 drafts so their prospect cupboards is overflowing with guys with a lot of promise who are nearing the point of being ready for the NHL over the next 1 to 2 to 3 years. Additionally, the general consensus is the talent level dips off more quickly in the 2024 draft than it did in the past couple drafts - so the quality in the late first and later isn't as good as it usually would be. So spend as many picks as it takes to get up above the line where the talent slips away because we don't need to add more quantity and hope one of them hits. |
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