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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 2, 2024 19:58:03 GMT -6
Well good try all Jones fault. Next 8 losses will also be Jones fault.
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Post by BigT on Apr 2, 2024 19:59:07 GMT -6
The islanders are a boring team to watch. I hope they’re less boring with the ladies. Just being a rich hockey player gets you quite a few at bats with the ladies!!!
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Post by higgyhawk on Apr 2, 2024 20:04:11 GMT -6
Back to no offence
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Post by BigT on Apr 2, 2024 20:18:30 GMT -6
Nahhhh, it’s just the Islanders way!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 2, 2024 20:29:30 GMT -6
Isles played last night and we didn't practice today or yesterday so hopefully we can take over enough in the 3rd to eke out the W. Well...it looked good on paper. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 3, 2024 7:26:53 GMT -6
It is a game like this that keeps me from being very optimistic about this team's near future.
A. It is highly unlikely that this year's draft picks are going to be top notch nhl producers next year.
B. They have very little currently in the way of some pretty good second line performers, such as a guy like Fabbri on Detroit, that will be around in the next couple of years to keep up the production. Getting such players as FAs will only take away from the money to pay for top notch first liners.
C. They will need to spend some serious money on top notch FAs and they don't have enough money to do that to cover all the holes on this team.
D. This year's rookie dmen are pretty good but are not outstanding and are unlikely to become that way in the next couple of years.
Thus, I don't expect much from this team in the next couple of years, but I guess there will be some improvement. Leaping into the next level will only be done if there are miracles brought by this year's draft picks and I mean miracles. Maybe in five years things will look much better, but when one sees a guy like Reichel, one knows that nothing is certain.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 3, 2024 13:48:24 GMT -6
It is a game like this that keeps me from being very optimistic about this team's near future. A. It is highly unlikely that this year's draft picks are going to be top notch nhl producers next year. B. They have very little currently in the way of some pretty good second line performers, such as a guy like Fabbri on Detroit, that will be around in the next couple of years to keep up the production. Getting such players as FAs will only take away from the money to pay for top notch first liners. C. They will need to spend some serious money on top notch FAs and they don't have enough money to do that to cover all the holes on this team. D. This year's rookie dmen are pretty good but are not outstanding and are unlikely to become that way in the next couple of years. Thus, I don't expect much from this team in the next couple of years, but I guess there will be some improvement. Leaping into the next level will only be done if there are miracles brought by this year's draft picks and I mean miracles. Maybe in five years things will look much better, but when one sees a guy like Reichel, one knows that nothing is certain. I won't say that I still don't have doubts too jack,and I can't say I wouldn't prefer some 'seasoned' leadership in the team's hierarchy,BUT,I also can't ignore the team's massive potential to improve if things go well. The number of high picks from three successive drafts we'll see will result in a handful of young players who should make the league,how good they'll be when they get there is YTD but young players are cheap for 3-5yrs. There could also be a decent 'leftover' or two and the two drafts after this summer's have a surplus of a 1st and THREE 2nd's,which is VERY valuable trade bait if the team decides to go that route. Cap space? At our ages my friend,I guarantee you we have other things to worry about than Chicago's cap space! The ceiling could be north of NINTY FIVE MILLION bucks in three years with only Jones' 9.5M on the books and whatever it takes to extend Bedard,Vlasic and KK. If we don't see marked improvement in three years with all this potential,then things certainly went awry but will it take a miracle to reach the 'promised land'? Maybe,an excellent Boston team only won one,an excellent Avs team still only has one and an excellent Panthers team is still lookin' for one.......Canes too. We had it good for a pretty long time. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 3, 2024 15:50:14 GMT -6
It is a game like this that keeps me from being very optimistic about this team's near future. A. It is highly unlikely that this year's draft picks are going to be top notch nhl producers next year. B. They have very little currently in the way of some pretty good second line performers, such as a guy like Fabbri on Detroit, that will be around in the next couple of years to keep up the production. Getting such players as FAs will only take away from the money to pay for top notch first liners. C. They will need to spend some serious money on top notch FAs and they don't have enough money to do that to cover all the holes on this team. D. This year's rookie dmen are pretty good but are not outstanding and are unlikely to become that way in the next couple of years. Thus, I don't expect much from this team in the next couple of years, but I guess there will be some improvement. Leaping into the next level will only be done if there are miracles brought by this year's draft picks and I mean miracles. Maybe in five years things will look much better, but when one sees a guy like Reichel, one knows that nothing is certain. I won't say that I still don't have doubts too jack,and I can't say I wouldn't prefer some 'seasoned' leadership in the team's hierarchy,BUT,I also can't ignore the team's massive potential to improve if things go well. The number of high picks from three successive drafts we'll see will result in a handful of young players who should make the league,how good they'll be when they get there is YTD but young players are cheap for 3-5yrs. There could also be a decent 'leftover' or two and the two drafts after this summer's have a surplus of a 1st and THREE 2nd's,which is VERY valuable trade bait if the team decides to go that route. Cap space? At our ages my friend,I guarantee you we have other things to worry about than Chicago's cap space! The ceiling could be north of NINTY FIVE MILLION bucks in three years with only Jones' 9.5M on the books and whatever it takes to extend Bedard,Vlasic and KK. If we don't see marked improvement in three years with all this potential,then things certainly went awry but will it take a miracle to reach the 'promised land'? Maybe,an excellent Boston team only won one,an excellent Avs team still only has one and an excellent Panthers team is still lookin' for one.......Canes too. We had it good for a pretty long time. Your last paragraph has a lot of good points and demonstrates how difficult it is to maintain excellence ala your notes about the Bruins, Avs and Panthers. Yeah, the Hawks will have the good young draft picks and plenty of them, but how good they wlll be is YTBD. But, I will again make my point about the lack of current seasoned leadership as you put it. They will have to buy that leadership and then hope their draft picks become leaders themselves. As it stands now, this team doesn't even come close to looking like the 2008-09 Hawks that went on to become the top notch team we all enjoyed; nor does it possess the potential to get there without buying several FAs and having some serious good development out of at least 6-7 of their draft picks. If this were a poker game, we would say they are definitely on the come. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 4, 2024 12:17:47 GMT -6
I won't say that I still don't have doubts too jack,and I can't say I wouldn't prefer some 'seasoned' leadership in the team's hierarchy,BUT,I also can't ignore the team's massive potential to improve if things go well. The number of high picks from three successive drafts we'll see will result in a handful of young players who should make the league,how good they'll be when they get there is YTD but young players are cheap for 3-5yrs. There could also be a decent 'leftover' or two and the two drafts after this summer's have a surplus of a 1st and THREE 2nd's,which is VERY valuable trade bait if the team decides to go that route. Cap space? At our ages my friend,I guarantee you we have other things to worry about than Chicago's cap space! The ceiling could be north of NINTY FIVE MILLION bucks in three years with only Jones' 9.5M on the books and whatever it takes to extend Bedard,Vlasic and KK. If we don't see marked improvement in three years with all this potential,then things certainly went awry but will it take a miracle to reach the 'promised land'? Maybe,an excellent Boston team only won one,an excellent Avs team still only has one and an excellent Panthers team is still lookin' for one.......Canes too. We had it good for a pretty long time. Your last paragraph has a lot of good points and demonstrates how difficult it is to maintain excellence ala your notes about the Bruins, Avs and Panthers. Yeah, the Hawks will have the good young draft picks and plenty of them, but how good they wlll be is YTBD. But, I will again make my point about the lack of current seasoned leadership as you put it. They will have to buy that leadership and then hope their draft picks become leaders themselves. As it stands now, this team doesn't even come close to looking like the 2008-09 Hawks that went on to become the top notch team we all enjoyed; nor does it possess the potential to get there without buying several FAs and having some serious good development out of at least 6-7 of their draft picks. If this were a poker game, we would say they are definitely on the come. When I referred to seasoned leadeship,I meant in management,the young GM only has Danny and Jaime as superiors and that still concerns me.......I HOPE THEY ALL PROVE ME WRONG!!! I know we all do it,but drawing comparisons to the cup-era team could be chasing a myth to some extent,starting in 08-09,that team went on to win three cups and reach two other WCF's in seven years and the cap ruined the other two. Were they a bad bounce away from a 4th cup? There's been teams with longer PO appearance stretches but the 08-09 thru 14-15 Hawks team is still the pinnacle of cap-era excellence as far as I'm concerned. How close the current version comes won't be known for about three full seasons with a possible glimpse in two IMO. We've seen rebuilding teams NJ,Ott and Buffalo all draft good,young players with high picks after many bad seasons and all hit a wall this year after varying degrees of success and Det might sneak-in after seven stinker seasons. I will say this though,none of those teams and no team in the cap-era,including our cup-era team possessed the massive amount of 1st-3rd round prospects,1st-3rd round future picks and almost a blank slate of a growing salary-cap the Hawks do right now.....it's unprecedented! Quality players can come from later rounds too. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 4, 2024 16:00:29 GMT -6
Your last paragraph has a lot of good points and demonstrates how difficult it is to maintain excellence ala your notes about the Bruins, Avs and Panthers. Yeah, the Hawks will have the good young draft picks and plenty of them, but how good they wlll be is YTBD. But, I will again make my point about the lack of current seasoned leadership as you put it. They will have to buy that leadership and then hope their draft picks become leaders themselves. As it stands now, this team doesn't even come close to looking like the 2008-09 Hawks that went on to become the top notch team we all enjoyed; nor does it possess the potential to get there without buying several FAs and having some serious good development out of at least 6-7 of their draft picks. If this were a poker game, we would say they are definitely on the come. When I referred to seasoned leadeship,I meant in management,the young GM only has Danny and Jaime as superiors and that still concerns me.......I HOPE THEY ALL PROVE ME WRONG!!! I know we all do it,but drawing comparisons to the cup-era team could be chasing a myth to some extent,starting in 08-09,that team went on to win three cups and reach two other WCF's in seven years and the cap ruined the other two. Were they a bad bounce away from a 4th cup? There's been teams with longer PO appearance stretches but the 08-09 thru 14-15 Hawks team is still the pinnacle of cap-era excellence as far as I'm concerned. How close the current version comes won't be known for about three full seasons with a possible glimpse in two IMO. We've seen rebuilding teams NJ,Ott and Buffalo all draft good,young players with high picks after many bad seasons and all hit a wall this year after varying degrees of success and Det might sneak-in after seven stinker seasons. I will say this though,none of those teams and no team in the cap-era,including our cup-era team possessed the massive amount of 1st-3rd round prospects,1st-3rd round future picks and almost a blank slate of a growing salary-cap the Hawks do right now.....it's unprecedented! Quality players can come from later rounds too. One should expect to get very good nhl players from the top draft picks they have and will get this year. It doesn't always happen, but it happens more often than not ala Crosby, Bedard, McDavid, Kane, Toews. But, then again, look at Kucherov---a 6th round pick. Guess we just have to hope that their numerous top draft picks perform and develop well. Concern has often been expressed here about the management/development problems with the suits that run the organization. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 4, 2024 16:12:20 GMT -6
When I referred to seasoned leadeship,I meant in management,the young GM only has Danny and Jaime as superiors and that still concerns me.......I HOPE THEY ALL PROVE ME WRONG!!! I know we all do it,but drawing comparisons to the cup-era team could be chasing a myth to some extent,starting in 08-09,that team went on to win three cups and reach two other WCF's in seven years and the cap ruined the other two. Were they a bad bounce away from a 4th cup? There's been teams with longer PO appearance stretches but the 08-09 thru 14-15 Hawks team is still the pinnacle of cap-era excellence as far as I'm concerned. How close the current version comes won't be known for about three full seasons with a possible glimpse in two IMO. We've seen rebuilding teams NJ,Ott and Buffalo all draft good,young players with high picks after many bad seasons and all hit a wall this year after varying degrees of success and Det might sneak-in after seven stinker seasons. I will say this though,none of those teams and no team in the cap-era,including our cup-era team possessed the massive amount of 1st-3rd round prospects,1st-3rd round future picks and almost a blank slate of a growing salary-cap the Hawks do right now.....it's unprecedented! Quality players can come from later rounds too. One should expect to get very good nhl players from the top draft picks they have and will get this year. It doesn't always happen, but it happens more often than not ala Crosby, Bedard, McDavid, Kane, Toews. But, then again, look at Kucherov---a 6th round pick. Guess we just have to hope that their numerous top draft picks perform and develop well. Concern has often been expressed here about the management/development problems with the suits that run the organization. Well the end of the old guard did not leave on stellar terms. So to be skeptical of the new guard is normal till proven otherwise. |
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