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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 13, 2019 11:57:49 GMT -6
That was a long venting rant on my part.
Summed up: SB sux.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 13, 2019 20:37:12 GMT -6
Should've let Dach play with his brother in Saskatoon and the Worlds. Boqvist should be in London or spend the whole season in Rockford. yes. imo, they've rushed our two biggest prospects and wasted a year of, basically, free development. I think that is what annoys me the most about that pair and how they've been handled. Bowman is supposed to be a bean counter. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 13, 2019 21:59:35 GMT -6
Should've let Dach play with his brother in Saskatoon and the Worlds. Boqvist should be in London or spend the whole season in Rockford. yes. imo, they've rushed our two biggest prospects and wasted a year of, basically, free development. I think that is what annoys me the most about that pair and how they've been handled. Bowman is supposed to be a bean counter. On paper this team is much better than last season, so I thought it'd be good but it's obviously not working and possibly hurting their development. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 15, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -6
Should've let Dach play with his brother in Saskatoon and the Worlds. Boqvist should be in London or spend the whole season in Rockford. Colliton has no idea how to run this team and these kids shouldn't be exposed to his horrible franchise. Stan and Mcdonut need to go ASAP, then find a real coach. To blame JC for this to me is insane. The guy went to Europe to learn his craft. Took a relegated team and within 2 years brought them back in to the elite league. The Hawks lure him back to the NHL to coach the Rockford team which was abysmal. Took that team within a year to 4th place and the semi-finals of the AHL playoffs. Now the crap begins for him here. Took a team that for a year earlier was beginning to drown itself. Started badly last season and they fired Q. They bring up JC to a team already in disarray and has to learn what this team has. Gets them to go with a different system and they actually improved in the 2nd half of the season due to in reality a very good PP led by Kane, D-cat and even Gus. So what does this ORG do? They go out and get slower D-men, de Haan and Maatta, and Seabs and Keith lose another step in their game. And don't get us started on how bad Gus is on defense as well as passing. My original thoughts when JC was hired that the Hawks were finally going after the successful model that other teams use. The head coach and minor league coach work together to formulate a system together so that when call ups happen they are on the same page. Makes it easier for the young players. Now JC should have had at least 3-5 years at Rockford or at least brought up to be an assistant coach till when Q decides to retire and JC can slide right in with no interruptions in play. So to me this ALL falls on SB and McDonothing. Now JC is going to be the fall guy for SB in all this. Where did I say Colliton is to blame for all of this? The line combinations and system yes but I also said Bowman and Mcdonut need to go, they're the main problem. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 16, 2019 9:04:45 GMT -6
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 16, 2019 11:40:14 GMT -6
Wonder who's out when Keith comes back, |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 16, 2019 11:48:15 GMT -6
Wonder who's out when Keith comes back, My guess is Boqvist. With de Haan out for the season pretty much, they need a big Dman and that would be Gilbert. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 16, 2019 17:40:30 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Dec 16, 2019 18:09:23 GMT -6
wow.... sadly, it seems this org needs an enema.... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 16, 2019 18:40:34 GMT -6
wow.... sadly, it seems this org needs an enema.... idk....this lazerus tweet pretty much sums up my feelings so i'll just post it. i could see and understand people disappointed in the decision so i'm not going to debate that but at least it gives the team some continuity (until the coach gets axed). |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 16, 2019 20:33:41 GMT -6
good for him for seeking help and recognizing he had a problem.
that being said, what if he does it again? what if some other former player comes out with something worse that he did? then the whole organization looks like jackasses.
just my 2 pennies. Lehner is welcoming him back, so I guess the current players are good with it. still seems like a bad call to me, but whatevs.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 16, 2019 20:35:05 GMT -6
Wonder who's out when Keith comes back, My guess is Boqvist. With de Haan out for the season pretty much, they need a big Dman and that would be Gilbert. it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 16, 2019 20:46:29 GMT -6
My guess is Boqvist. With de Haan out for the season pretty much, they need a big Dman and that would be Gilbert. it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. I was wondering about that, partly why I was asking, Gilbert better stay also, imo, so who does that leave, in reality, I can't think of anyone else they would sit, or send down, I know people say Gus, but that probably won't happen |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 17, 2019 1:16:26 GMT -6
it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. I was wondering about that, partly why I was asking, Gilbert better stay also, imo, so who does that leave, in reality, I can't think of anyone else they would sit, or send down, I know people say Gus, but that probably won't happen time to start putting people (*cough* koko *cough*) on waivers. let the young lads play at this point. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 17, 2019 4:11:22 GMT -6
it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. Damn right. I'd hate to see Gilbert go though. Hopefully they can dump Kookoo. Never should have kept Bo up past 10 games either way.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 17, 2019 4:41:06 GMT -6
it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. Damn right. I'd hate to see Gilbert go though. Hopefully they can dump Kookoo. Never should have kept Bo up past 10 games either way.
same. keep em both up, play em both a bunch. we've seen enough of Kookoo and Gus. trade their asses when the opportunity arises or send at least Kookoo to Rockford if no one wants to part with a 7th rounder for him. regardless, this has been royally screwed up by Bowman and co. Boqvist and Dach should have neither one of them ever stepped foot onto the ice in a NHL game this year, save a preseason game or for a couple games near the beginning/end of the season to see how they look. now they've both wasted a year of their ELC for no reason. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 17, 2019 4:54:55 GMT -6
same. keep em both up, play em both a bunch. we've seen enough of Kookoo and Gus. trade their asses when the opportunity arises or send at least Kookoo to Rockford if no one wants to part with a 7th rounder for him. regardless, this has been royally screwed up by Bowman and co. Boqvist and Dach should have neither one of them ever stepped foot onto the ice if an NHL game this year save a preseason game or for a couple games near the beginning/end of the season to see how they look. now they've both wasted a year of their ELC for no reason.And Gus wasn't traded when he actually had value.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 17, 2019 8:48:31 GMT -6
Damn right. I'd hate to see Gilbert go though. Hopefully they can dump Kookoo. Never should have kept Bo up past 10 games either way.
same. keep em both up, play em both a bunch. we've seen enough of Kookoo and Gus. trade their asses when the opportunity arises or send at least Kookoo to Rockford if no one wants to part with a 7th rounder for him. regardless, this has been royally screwed up by Bowman and co. Boqvist and Dach should have neither one of them ever stepped foot onto the ice in a NHL game this year, save a preseason game or for a couple games near the beginning/end of the season to see how they look. now they've both wasted a year of their ELC for no reason. All this results in eight D-men on the roster with Keith's return with no ideal path forward unless Gus is moved IMO. Demoting Koek(who SHOULD be the #7) will still see either Gilbert or Boqvist sitting if Gus stays. Getting little for Joker instead of getting what you could for Gus last summer is bad in so many ways! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 17, 2019 9:12:12 GMT -6
Wonder who's out when Keith comes back, The hope is that KK fetches off Eddie-O and we trade out Gus...but it's likely Gilbert. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 17, 2019 9:14:57 GMT -6
My guess is Boqvist. With de Haan out for the season pretty much, they need a big Dman and that would be Gilbert. it better not be effin Boqvist now that we've wasted a year of his ELC AND won't let him play in world's. he should be playing every night from now until the end of the season. I would be okay with Boqvist being sent down *if* he could get 20+ minutes a night--rather than all that time going to Gus. As mentioned, I'd like to see Gilbert stay up given what he is and how he's playing, but in all likelihood it's KK and Gus that stay. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 17, 2019 9:32:41 GMT -6
As of today Boqvist has played 10 games for the Hawks.
He can be sent down.I don't know if being scratched counts as a game towards his totals for ELC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:26:55 GMT -6
As of today Boqvist has played 10 games for the Hawks. He can be sent down.I don't know if being scratched counts as a game towards his totals for ELC. Not sure what the 10 games has to do with going to Rockford? I know regarding Dach (and Boqvist last year) once they played their 10th game they could no longer go back to juniors. What is the significance for Boqvist playing 10 games in the NHL? Does it actually kick in the ELC? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 17, 2019 12:33:28 GMT -6
As of today Boqvist has played 10 games for the Hawks. He can be sent down.I don't know if being scratched counts as a game towards his totals for ELC. Not sure what the 10 games has to do with going to Rockford? I know regarding Dach (and Boqvist last year) once they played their 10th game they could no longer go back to juniors. What is the significance for Boqvist playing 10 games in the NHL? Does it actually kick in the ELC? That was my question, he is listed as entry level slide candidate. I'm too lazy to look that up. ENTRY-LEVEL SLIDES 2019-20 If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide. Because signing bonuses are paid regardless of a slide, the bonuses paid on the slide year no longer count to the players remaining cap hit. The cap hit therefore changes - the players salary is averaged without the signing bonus. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:41:04 GMT -6
Not sure what the 10 games has to do with going to Rockford? I know regarding Dach (and Boqvist last year) once they played their 10th game they could no longer go back to juniors. What is the significance for Boqvist playing 10 games in the NHL? Does it actually kick in the ELC? That was my question, he is listed as entry level slide candidate. I'm too lazy to look that up. ENTRY-LEVEL SLIDES 2019-20 If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide. Because signing bonuses are paid regardless of a slide, the bonuses paid on the slide year no longer count to the players remaining cap hit. The cap hit therefore changes - the players salary is averaged without the signing bonus. Well this answers the question, and something I did not know:
A player on an entry-level contract can skate in nine games before teams must decide whether to send him to the American Hockey League or junior hockey and delay the start of their contract to the following season. Teams still can send a player down after his 10th game, but it would use up the first season of his contract regardless of how many more NHL games he played.
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 17, 2019 12:49:54 GMT -6
His slide year was last season so it's why he is on his 1st year now of his 3 ELC years.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 17, 2019 18:27:04 GMT -6
His slide year was last season so it's why he is on his 1st year now of his 3 ELC years. it could've been slid again this year, but Bowman decided to waste that year of development, so now it is time to play him and bench other players. |
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Post by doogiew on Dec 17, 2019 23:56:24 GMT -6
This whole season is a bust. They have wasted a year of two rookie players. Wasted another year of Kane and Toews. They traded away a number four defense man for an average at best winger. De Haan and Maata weren't the savoir Stanley promised they'd be. It's a total mess and the rookie coach doesn't have a clue how to fix it. The reality is I'm sorry to say that this year is a complete wash. It's highly and becoming numerically impossible for this team to make the playoffs.
Anyone thinking this is going to turn around I think may pass whatever they're smoking. The run they would need to make is that of the Blues and the Hawks don't seem to be able to put those kind of wins together JMHO. Not meaning to upset anyone just being realistic. I'll watch with a drink in my hand get drunk and moan and whine, but it's not going to change anything.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 18, 2019 14:42:04 GMT -6
I just listened to coach video, said seabs will sit out tonight, against Avs, said young guys were playing good, and need an opportunity to play
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Dec 18, 2019 14:44:22 GMT -6
Cuz Keith is back, forgot to mention
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Post by hsbob on Dec 18, 2019 17:35:12 GMT -6
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