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Post by Hockey is great on May 8, 2024 7:18:05 GMT -6
A lot of rumours swirling over the past 24-48 hours of a Marner for Seth deal. I know it would be tough to get both to waive their NMC. But it’s picking up steam with even Friedman talking about it. Now, if this were to happen. Is Marner even worth re-signing? Or would he play out his deal and limp back to Toronta? In the end, it clears cap space for the Hawks if that were to happen. I’d suspect that if is did happen, that the Hawks would want a new deal in place. And it may be costly. Probably 12 million per year. Not sure if that’s worth it as Bedard will get pretty much the same thing. So it is worth discussing!!! the trade is worth doing for me. Losing seth hurts obviously. But losing that length of his deal would be nice. I woudnt extend marner at double digits aav at all. Let’s say he agrees to $8.75 to $9.5 aav. Then maybe you extend him and draft a dman at 2.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 8, 2024 10:09:25 GMT -6
It’s a good deal. He probably is overpaid at this point. But it won’t hurt at all. Imagine failing and getting a raise? Nothing like failing up!!! Percussive sublimation. It happens more than it should; look at Steve Walkom.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 8, 2024 11:08:13 GMT -6
A lot of rumours swirling over the past 24-48 hours of a Marner for Seth deal. I know it would be tough to get both to waive their NMC. But it’s picking up steam with even Friedman talking about it. Now, if this were to happen. Is Marner even worth re-signing? Or would he play out his deal and limp back to Toronta? In the end, it clears cap space for the Hawks if that were to happen. I’d suspect that if is did happen, that the Hawks would want a new deal in place. And it may be costly. Probably 12 million per year. Not sure if that’s worth it as Bedard will get pretty much the same thing. So it is worth discussing!!! the trade is worth doing for me. Losing seth hurts obviously. But losing that length of his deal would be nice. I woudnt extend marner at double digits aav at all. Let’s say he agrees to $8.75 to $9.5 aav. Then maybe you extend him and draft a dman at 2. Hawks would have to bring someone with some scoring prowess on the backend. That could prove to be a challenge. I know that we all like to complain about Seth, but he's still an elite player.
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Post by mvr on May 8, 2024 11:34:08 GMT -6
A lot of rumours swirling over the past 24-48 hours of a Marner for Seth deal. I know it would be tough to get both to waive their NMC. But it’s picking up steam with even Friedman talking about it. Now, if this were to happen. Is Marner even worth re-signing? Or would he play out his deal and limp back to Toronta? In the end, it clears cap space for the Hawks if that were to happen. I’d suspect that if is did happen, that the Hawks would want a new deal in place. And it may be costly. Probably 12 million per year. Not sure if that’s worth it as Bedard will get pretty much the same thing. So it is worth discussing!!! If Levshunov is the target at pick two, Seth Jones becomes redundant over the long term. It might be prudent to find a home for him now and get rid of the contract. Jones might welcome a trade to a contender rather than waste his prime years rotting on this ship. I can see the advantage from the Leafs' perspective. Marner has become the fall guy for the team's annual collapse. My guess is that he is going to be traded this summer. As it stands, the Hawks don't really need or want this player, at least to my mind, and certainly Marner would prefer to move to a better team. The best move would be for Davidson and Marner's agent to prearrange a third trade partner to the player's liking. I can envision a three way trade involving prospects and picks coming here along with a couple of overpaid veterans.
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Post by Nikos on May 8, 2024 11:36:40 GMT -6
the trade is worth doing for me. Losing seth hurts obviously. But losing that length of his deal would be nice. I woudnt extend marner at double digits aav at all. Let’s say he agrees to $8.75 to $9.5 aav. Then maybe you extend him and draft a dman at 2. Hawks would have to bring someone with some scoring prowess on the backend. That could prove to be a challenge. I know that we all like to complain about Seth, but he's still an elite player. If Seth Jones were making $6MM rather $9.5MM would we still complain. I respectfully disagree, Jones is not an elite player. and I would say the same thing if were only making $6MM. Jones does eat a lot of minutes and plays in all situations, but he is limited on the offensive side to impact game, his shot is average and predictable and play recognition is below average. Sure, he gets points mainly on the power play. When I think of elite Dman, I see Maker, Josi, Hedman, particularly Maker when the team needs a big goal or to change momentum in a game he responds. Jones on the other hand has not shown he can take over a game offensively. I believe he lacks the instincts and confidence to take over the game. He does have physical skills that make him a good dmen, but overall, he is not elite.
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 8, 2024 12:53:04 GMT -6
Would Vlassic played as well over the course of the season with Megna or Zaitsev as his partner? Or with Murphy? The answer is a resounding "NO". Jones is this and he's not that and his AAV is too high - I get it and don't disagree - but the primary objective of this rebuild, especially on the backend, is to get our d-prospects into the lineup and get them the requisite experience they need to be a competent d-man when it matters 2-3 years down the line. Jones, more than any other player on the team provides the stable big minutes play that players like Vlassic benefit from as they grow into their NHL games.
In my opinion - Jones' impact on the young d-men is more beneficial over the next year or two than the potential impact Marner would have on our young forwards.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 8, 2024 14:45:43 GMT -6
Hawks would have to bring someone with some scoring prowess on the backend. That could prove to be a challenge. I know that we all like to complain about Seth, but he's still an elite player. If Seth Jones were making $6MM rather $9.5MM would we still complain. I respectfully disagree, Jones is not an elite player. and I would say the same thing if were only making $6MM. Jones does eat a lot of minutes and plays in all situations, but he is limited on the offensive side to impact game, his shot is average and predictable and play recognition is below average. Sure, he gets points mainly on the power play. When I think of elite Dman, I see Maker, Josi, Hedman, particularly Maker when the team needs a big goal or to change momentum in a game he responds. Jones on the other hand has not shown he can take over a game offensively. I believe he lacks the instincts and confidence to take over the game. He does have physical skills that make him a good dmen, but overall, he is not elite. No, I don't disagree that Jones is not an elite player. He's not on the same level as the ones that you mentioned. However, he will still need to be replaced with a d-man of at least comparable quality -- and they are not going to be easy to come by. I am not sure that Jones' contract is all that oppressive for the Hawks. It'll be easier for the Hawks to find some Marner type players for the next couple of years.
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Post by Hockey is great on May 8, 2024 15:35:26 GMT -6
the trade is worth doing for me. Losing seth hurts obviously. But losing that length of his deal would be nice. I woudnt extend marner at double digits aav at all. Let’s say he agrees to $8.75 to $9.5 aav. Then maybe you extend him and draft a dman at 2. Hawks would have to bring someone with some scoring prowess on the backend. That could prove to be a challenge. I know that we all like to complain about Seth, but he's still an elite player. agreed
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Post by squishy24 on May 8, 2024 21:50:30 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards,
To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine
To cbj - #2 pick + +
Grain of salt
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 8, 2024 23:16:05 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt No thanks - I don't want Laine. Seems like injuries and work ethic are his problems.
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Post by vadarx on May 8, 2024 23:33:13 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 9, 2024 0:23:38 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. Theyll need to sweeten that deal, especially if there's no cap retained, he's lazy and barely played this season. Maybe Bedard and Luke's work ethic rubs off on him, but I doubt it.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 9, 2024 0:57:44 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. there's 2 players i would never want to see in chicago and he's one of them. the other one is a jacket as well.
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Post by vadarx on May 9, 2024 1:28:00 GMT -6
HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. there's 2 players i would never want to see in chicago and he's one of them. the other one is a jacket as well. you don't like Johnny Hockey? I'd add P-L Dubois to that list, personally.
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Post by BigT on May 9, 2024 5:58:56 GMT -6
there's 2 players i would never want to see in chicago and he's one of them. the other one is a jacket as well. you don't like Johnny Hockey? I'd add P-L Dubois to that list, personally. PLD is just so fucked. It seems he’s an entitled shithead. No team wants him now. He’ll end up “injured” for most of this contract. I doubt the team will want him around. I’ve heard many pundits saying he may even get bought out. I know it’ll hurt them, but he seems like that bad of a team mate!!!
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Post by hsbob on May 9, 2024 7:50:14 GMT -6
Hawks would have to bring someone with some scoring prowess on the backend. That could prove to be a challenge. I know that we all like to complain about Seth, but he's still an elite player. If Seth Jones were making $6MM rather $9.5MM would we still complain. I respectfully disagree, Jones is not an elite player. and I would say the same thing if were only making $6MM. Jones does eat a lot of minutes and plays in all situations, but he is limited on the offensive side to impact game, his shot is average and predictable and play recognition is below average. Sure, he gets points mainly on the power play. When I think of elite Dman, I see Maker, Josi, Hedman, particularly Maker when the team needs a big goal or to change momentum in a game he responds. Jones on the other hand has not shown he can take over a game offensively. I believe he lacks the instincts and confidence to take over the game. He does have physical skills that make him a good dmen, but overall, he is not elite. Is it fair to say that the elite D-men you mentioned all play with much more talented teams? I wouldn't put Jone on those guy's level either but Jones has toiled on bad teams the last eight seasons and sill averages over 9gls and 40 plus points per. He's a big,right shot,under 30 D-man and I agree with ER,he helped Vlasic a LOT last year.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 9, 2024 8:02:03 GMT -6
If Seth Jones were making $6MM rather $9.5MM would we still complain. I respectfully disagree, Jones is not an elite player. and I would say the same thing if were only making $6MM. Jones does eat a lot of minutes and plays in all situations, but he is limited on the offensive side to impact game, his shot is average and predictable and play recognition is below average. Sure, he gets points mainly on the power play. When I think of elite Dman, I see Maker, Josi, Hedman, particularly Maker when the team needs a big goal or to change momentum in a game he responds. Jones on the other hand has not shown he can take over a game offensively. I believe he lacks the instincts and confidence to take over the game. He does have physical skills that make him a good dmen, but overall, he is not elite. Is it fair to say that the elite D-men you mentioned all play with much more talented teams? I wouldn't put Jone on those guy's level either but Jones has toiled on bad teams the last eight seasons and sill averages over 9gls and 40 plus points per. He's a big,right shot,under 30 D-man and I agree with ER,he helped Vlasic a LOT last year. I think Vlasic helped Jones, when Seth was injured Vlasic stepped up and ate a lot of minutes against top lines. Vlasic is the type of D partner Seth needs.
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Post by hsbob on May 9, 2024 8:11:30 GMT -6
you don't like Johnny Hockey? I'd add P-L Dubois to that list, personally. PLD is just so fucked. It seems he’s an entitled shithead. No team wants him now. He’ll end up “injured” for most of this contract. I doubt the team will want him around. I’ve heard many pundits saying he may even get bought out. I know it’ll hurt them, but he seems like that bad of a team mate!!! I wouldn't touch that contract with a ten-foot pole and PLD has motivation problems on top of it. I can't say I see a buyout either with 8.6MX7 remaining..... www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/pierre-luc-duboisIt would save the Kings a good amount of cap-hit per,but it'd go until 2038 for God's sake. LA has little choice but hope the large-framed,25yro center matures and can hit that 30gl 70pt level,he's been close a few times in the past. Too many 'red flags' for me.
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Post by squishy24 on May 9, 2024 10:40:50 GMT -6
PLD is just so fucked. It seems he’s an entitled shithead. No team wants him now. He’ll end up “injured” for most of this contract. I doubt the team will want him around. I’ve heard many pundits saying he may even get bought out. I know it’ll hurt them, but he seems like that bad of a team mate!!! I wouldn't touch that contract with a ten-foot pole and PLD has motivation problems on top of it. I can't say I see a buyout either with 8.6MX7 remaining..... www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/pierre-luc-duboisIt would save the Kings a good amount of cap-hit per,but it'd go until 2038 for God's sake. LA has little choice but hope the large-framed,25yro center matures and can hit that 30gl 70pt level,he's been close a few times in the past. Too many 'red flags' for me. I read about the PLD buyout as well. the biggest plus is l, if he is bought out before he turned 26, la kings only have to pay 1/3 of his contract. But yea, the caphit goes all the way to 2038
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2024 13:03:52 GMT -6
If Seth Jones were making $6MM rather $9.5MM would we still complain. I respectfully disagree, Jones is not an elite player. and I would say the same thing if were only making $6MM. Jones does eat a lot of minutes and plays in all situations, but he is limited on the offensive side to impact game, his shot is average and predictable and play recognition is below average. Sure, he gets points mainly on the power play. When I think of elite Dman, I see Maker, Josi, Hedman, particularly Maker when the team needs a big goal or to change momentum in a game he responds. Jones on the other hand has not shown he can take over a game offensively. I believe he lacks the instincts and confidence to take over the game. He does have physical skills that make him a good dmen, but overall, he is not elite. Is it fair to say that the elite D-men you mentioned all play with much more talented teams? I wouldn't put Jone on those guy's level either but Jones has toiled on bad teams the last eight seasons and sill averages over 9gls and 40 plus points per. He's a big,right shot,under 30 D-man and I agree with ER,he helped Vlasic a LOT last year. Sure your point playing on better teams is a fair point. I just do not think he is elite and that is what I was responding to. Maker and Hedman take over games. I find it a big stretch to say that Jones has taken control of a game regardless how poor or good the team is around him. Elite players have that ability to make others around them better. Sure Jones steady eating minutes has helped bring some of the other younger D along, but again Jones has not shown to me that he has the necessary skill and ability to carry a team. To me that equals elite.
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Post by squishy24 on May 9, 2024 13:13:43 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. What if its just Laine and the 4th for the 2nd? Nothing else Anyway, i havent seen much “rumors” on the top10 teams/pick wanting to move up to 2nd. I think it pretty much echoes what everyone is saying here, theres not much disparity between 2 to 9 , and teams are just happy to stay with their picks rather than move assets
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Post by vadarx on May 9, 2024 14:50:17 GMT -6
HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. What if its just Laine and the 4th for the 2nd? Nothing else Anyway, i havent seen much “rumors” on the top10 teams/pick wanting to move up to 2nd. I think it pretty much echoes what everyone is saying here, theres not much disparity between 2 to 9 , and teams are just happy to stay with their picks rather than move assets still a no for me, dog.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 10, 2024 9:07:38 GMT -6
Is it fair to say that the elite D-men you mentioned all play with much more talented teams? I wouldn't put Jone on those guy's level either but Jones has toiled on bad teams the last eight seasons and sill averages over 9gls and 40 plus points per. He's a big,right shot,under 30 D-man and I agree with ER,he helped Vlasic a LOT last year. I think Vlasic helped Jones, when Seth was injured Vlasic stepped up and ate a lot of minutes against top lines. Vlasic is the the type of D partner Seth needs. This in spades. Jones is a Campbell-type at his best. O-1st. He's not a 2-way guy like Keith was. He does best with a Hjammer-type who can cover the backend while he does his things in the front end. Vlassic looks to be that Hjammer-type. He was this past season and I have a good feeling he will keep it up. Hell, most of my complaints about Jones comes from him on the powerplay...when he DIDN'T have Vlassic to cover him in the backed. Even though I think Jones is overpaid for what he brings, I can't complain about that pairing in-and-of-itself and what Jones and Vlassic did on the ice paired together. They had some good chemistry. The D problem in my opinion is finding a righty-Vlassic-type to play with Korchinski. Korch is O-biased loke Jones, But who did he have to play with? Jones? Jones and Korch looked like Runblad and Leddy out there; All O No D. Keep Jones and Vlassic together Murph? Murph looked like late-career Roisival this year. Not necessarily bad in decision making or HockeyIQ; just looked like he couldn't keep up. Megna? Tandoori? Might as well have had DeHaan or Zyuzin out there. Time will tell if we have that righty-stay-at-home guy in our prospect pool, but I think that is one of the targets we need. Yeah, big centers or forwards who can play the physical game are definitely needed, but if we assume that Vlassic/Jones are a good top pair, we need a good 2nd pair to compliment it and not have a team that can be overly-exploited by only having one good pair--especially since goaltending has been a wasteland since Crawford left. Stay-at-home righty is a need.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2024 9:30:10 GMT -6
I think Vlasic helped Jones, when Seth was injured Vlasic stepped up and ate a lot of minutes against top lines. Vlasic is the the type of D partner Seth needs. This in spades. Jones is a Campbell-type at his best. O-1st. He's not a 2-way guy like Keith was. He does best with a Hjammer-type who can cover the backend while he does his things in the front end. Vlassic looks to be that Hjammer-type. He was this past season and I have a good feeling he will keep it up. Hell, most of my complaints about Jones comes from him on the powerplay...when he DIDN'T have Vlassic to cover him in the backed. Even though I think Jones is overpaid for what he brings, I can't complain about that pairing in-and-of-itself and what Jones and Vlassic did on the ice paired together. They had some good chemistry. The D problem in my opinion is finding a righty-Vlassic-type to play with Korchinski. Korch is O-biased loke Jones, But who did he have to play with? Jones? Jones and Korch looked like Runblad and Leddy out there; All O No D. Keep Jones and Vlassic together Murph? Murph looked like late-career Roisival this year. Not necessarily bad in decision making or HockeyIQ; just looked like he couldn't keep up. Megna? Tandoori? Might as well have had DeHaan or Zyuzin out there. Time will tell if we have that righty-stay-at-home guy in our prospect pool, but I think that is one of the targets we need. Yeah, big centers or forwards who can play the physical game are definitely needed, but if we assume that Vlassic/Jones are a good top pair, we need a good 2nd pair to compliment it and not have a team that can be overly-exploited by only having one good pair--especially since goaltending has been a wasteland since Crawford left. Stay-at-home righty is a need. Usually the #1 unit has 1 D-man and a forward at the point. Whoever that forward is should also be defensive minded as well as a good shot from out long. Do we have that guy yet? Or do we go with 2 Dmen on the 1st PP unit?
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Post by Granada on May 10, 2024 10:14:03 GMT -6
Heres a “rumor” i saw in one of the boards, To chi - #4 pick + Patrick Laine To cbj - #2 pick + + Grain of salt HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. Yeah, I can't stomach either Marner or Laine on this team under any circumstances.
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Post by Tater on May 10, 2024 10:27:43 GMT -6
HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. Yeah, I can't stomach either Marner or Laine on this team under any circumstances. Yes to this! And way should Laine's "work ethic" be around a young team.
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Post by mvr on May 10, 2024 11:44:05 GMT -6
HARD no, even with only two years left on his deal. they'd have to give us more than that to take him off their hands. Yeah, I can't stomach either Marner or Laine on this team under any circumstances. I would only consider taking on Marner as part of a third party in a trade (ie if it means Seth Jones is the contract moving out, and draft picks/prospects are coming to Chicago). I have zero interest in Laine. To my mind, there are two better targets for a cap dump trade. 1) The goalie Jack Campbell had a strong recovery in Bakersfield, ending the season with a .918 save percentage after a shaky start. He has three years left at $5 M/year. If the Oilers absorb some of the contract and offer a realistic incentive to take the player off their hands, I am in. I'm thinking a first round pick plus. 2) I'm still very much in the Jeff Skinner camp if Buffalo is serious about unloading the contract. The player is only 31 years old, so he still should have some tread, even after a downer year. To find a taker for the contract, the Sabres undoubtedly would have to eat at least a third of the three years $9 M /year left, and they'd have to add a large incentive package. Again, it would need to be a first round pick at bare minimum.
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Post by LordKOTL on May 10, 2024 14:52:46 GMT -6
This in spades. Jones is a Campbell-type at his best. O-1st. He's not a 2-way guy like Keith was. He does best with a Hjammer-type who can cover the backend while he does his things in the front end. Vlassic looks to be that Hjammer-type. He was this past season and I have a good feeling he will keep it up. Hell, most of my complaints about Jones comes from him on the powerplay...when he DIDN'T have Vlassic to cover him in the backed. Even though I think Jones is overpaid for what he brings, I can't complain about that pairing in-and-of-itself and what Jones and Vlassic did on the ice paired together. They had some good chemistry. The D problem in my opinion is finding a righty-Vlassic-type to play with Korchinski. Korch is O-biased loke Jones, But who did he have to play with? Jones? Jones and Korch looked like Runblad and Leddy out there; All O No D. Keep Jones and Vlassic together Murph? Murph looked like late-career Roisival this year. Not necessarily bad in decision making or HockeyIQ; just looked like he couldn't keep up. Megna? Tandoori? Might as well have had DeHaan or Zyuzin out there. Time will tell if we have that righty-stay-at-home guy in our prospect pool, but I think that is one of the targets we need. Yeah, big centers or forwards who can play the physical game are definitely needed, but if we assume that Vlassic/Jones are a good top pair, we need a good 2nd pair to compliment it and not have a team that can be overly-exploited by only having one good pair--especially since goaltending has been a wasteland since Crawford left. Stay-at-home righty is a need. Usually the #1 unit has 1 D-man and a forward at the point. Whoever that forward is should also be defensive minded as well as a good shot from out long. Do we have that guy yet? Or do we go with 2 Dmen on the 1st PP unit? You bring up a good conundrum: Keith and Seabs did play on our #1PP for years; both had enough offensive upside to make it work and of course enough D so we wouldn't get burned. So, in theory, 2 D-men could work on the PP as long as they bring enough O to be a viable scoring threat or augment the scoring threat of the forwards (i.e. excellent passer). My opinion of where we stand now: We don't have a good enough defensive forward with enough offensive upside to be able to cover if the puck gets away from the defensive point-man (i.e. Jones or Korch); no Toews or Hossa. No on on this squad is within James Webb Telescope-visual distance of the 3-zone play of those two. I also don't see us having another defenseman who is competent enough offensively and defensively that would be even an ersatz-Keith/Seabrook PP pair. It's possible that in theory Korch and Jones could work as a PP pair, however, both are O-biased and I don't think it will solve the issue of pucks getting past the D without anyone capable of disrupting the ensuing rush. Keith was able to disrupt the shorthanded rush. Seabrook through most of his career could. Campbell had enough D-prowess that he could. Korch and Jones proved this year that they don't. Plus, Korch and Jones are the only offensive defensemen we have--so until/unless we get another, it makes sense to keep them separate. Vlassic would make the PP unit with Jones tighter defensively, but with lower offense unless he develops that part of his game. Still, I can't help but wonder if next year, he does see some PP time--if nothing else to see if maybe he can't develop that aspect of his game or as a reward for good play. None of the other D-prospects we have seem to be tagged as that type of player, and I'm not sure if any of our not-in-the-NHL FWD prospects can translate that game to the NHL level. But I do think the club as to look at how bad we were at defending on the powerplay this past year and try to fix the issue.
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Post by squishy24 on May 16, 2024 19:30:53 GMT -6
Trent Yawney just left the asst coaching job in LA. Could be a good addition here or in the Rock
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Post by squishy24 on May 16, 2024 22:03:15 GMT -6
Colliton is rumored to have been fired by Vancouver’s AHL team. Not the same sentiment as Yawney above lol
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