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Post by hsbob on Jun 2, 2024 8:21:31 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 2, 2024 13:46:24 GMT -6
I'd be for acquiring Holtz, who has more size than the other two, and I like that he is already a few years into his career so it's not like having to wait a couple years for a 2024 draft pick to mature. I'd give up the #18 pick for him.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 3, 2024 16:29:37 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 3, 2024 17:11:24 GMT -6
Last (and only) time I saw him play was in juniors (so a few years ago) and my observation agreed with the scouting reports which said poor skater and lacked urgency in his game. That seems to still be the case with his time with LA - he can shoot but doesn't bring much else. I doubt KD considers acquiring him.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 3, 2024 17:23:39 GMT -6
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Post by malagahawks on Jun 17, 2024 9:33:00 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jun 17, 2024 10:13:01 GMT -6
I have seen some reports that he could be available. Personally, I am not big fan, very talented player, what do you have to give up and then how much do you have to pay him after his current deal expires. He has a cap hit of $5.750M through 25-26. I suppose you can look to acquire and see how he performs and then you can make the decision after 25-26. If Ducks are looking for multiple 1st rounds picks and other assets (top prospects), I vote no.
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Post by BigT on Jun 17, 2024 10:34:00 GMT -6
I appreciate what Zegras does. He’s very skilled. But I’m not sure he would be in my long term plans. Maybe he’d be ok, but my worry is he’s like Marner. Just doesn’t toughen up in the playoffs. Plus the Hawks just don’t have the assets to make that deal.
A couple other notes. Ottawa is said to be willing to trade #7. And NJ is willing to part with #10. Now I know the Hawks don’t have the players those teams desire. However they could be the buffer between a 3 way trade. They could take on salary and swap picks. For instance. Let’s say Chicago trades pick #18 and either Kaiser or Phillips to Calgary for Markstrom. Eat 25% of his contract and send Markstrom to NJ for the 10th overall. Moves like that are always possible. KD has alluded that he would be in on deals like that!!!
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Post by malagahawks on Jun 17, 2024 10:34:31 GMT -6
I have seen some reports that he could be available. Personally, I am not big fan, very talented player, what do you have to give up and then how much do you have to pay him after his current deal expires. He has a cap hit of $5.750M through 25-26. I suppose you can look to acquire and see how he performs and then you can make the decision after 25-26. If Ducks are looking for multiple 1st rounds picks and other assets (top prospects), I vote no. Yeah, I hear ya. I saw one proposal had the Hawks shipping off Reichel, the 2025 1st & 3rd.
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Post by BigT on Jun 18, 2024 15:35:26 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel.
Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return.
But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!!
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 18, 2024 16:52:11 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel. Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return. But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!! Seems like that should be a hard 'no'. There is enough interim FA help out there, which gives the Hawks an opportunity to develop their high end draft picks. Kurashev possibly has a similar ceiling to Necas. While Necas has done more up to this point, Shevy is on a good trajectory. I expect that he will be a 20g/60pts type player. Besides, he was a fourth rounder, so it's like striking gold or at least silver. He worked hard. I hate to part with players like that.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 18, 2024 16:59:33 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel. Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return. But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!! No thanks, I'd rather keep Kurashev, he's a year younger and both had over 50pts this season and Necas was on a much better team. And Kurashev is 2" shorter but they're both around 190lbs.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 18, 2024 17:17:20 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel. Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return. But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!! definitely a hard no on Guentzel for me. he is too old at this point. you add a player like him when we are much closer to a finished product.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 18, 2024 17:40:55 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel. Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return. But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!! Seems like that should be a hard 'no'. There is enough interim FA help out there, which gives the Hawks an opportunity to develop their high end draft picks. Kurashev possibly has a similar ceiling to Necas. While Necas has done more up to this point, Shevy is on a good trajectory. I expect that he will be a 20g/60pts type player. Besides, he was a fourth rounder, so it's like striking gold or at least silver. He worked hard. I hate to part with players like that. Exactly what I am seeing - which it sounds like is about Necas' ceiling, or does he have a much higher ceiling?
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Post by Nikos on Jun 18, 2024 18:43:33 GMT -6
I heard today that a potential for Necas would be Kurashev, pick 18 and a 3rd rounder. There may be more at play if they trade the rights for Guentzel. Not sure it’s gonna happen. Just a rumour out there. I guess Carolina would probably like an NHL player back in return. But if the Hawks wanna get better. Both them would really help. Plus add in Demidov the year after. The Hawks have a sexy top 6. Personally I’d wait on Guentzel. He’s smaller and will be 30 to start next year. I would not go 6+ years with him. But have to think the only way the Hawks go shorter is if they offer like 11 million per for 3 years. They have the cap flexibility for that. But long term doesn’t help at this point!!! definitely a hard no on Guentzel for me. he is too old at this point. you add a player like him when we are much closer to a finished product. Would do #18 and 3rd for Necas, probably Canes want a NHL player though, agree a no for Guentzel unless he takes 3 year deal with high cap hit.
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Post by BigT on Jun 18, 2024 18:56:33 GMT -6
The thing about Kurashev is, he’s a 3rd liner on a really good team. He got a shit ton of ice time and pp time. So his numbers were inflated. Necas literally played more of a 3rd line role with minimal pp time. The year before he had 71 points and got pp time. I believe with the right personnel Necas could be a 80-90 point guy. Whereas Shevardnadze is at best a 60 point guy. So I think Necas is definitely worth a look!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 19, 2024 6:22:50 GMT -6
The thing about Kurashev is, he’s a 3rd liner on a really good team. He got a shit ton of ice time and pp time. So his numbers were inflated. Necas literally played more of a 3rd line role with minimal pp time. The year before he had 71 points and got pp time. I believe with the right personnel Necas could be a 80-90 point guy. Whereas Shevardnadze is at best a 60 point guy. So I think Necas is definitely worth a look!!! Necas has the higher ceiling with a 28/71 season already under his belt and back-back 20 goal seasons and the better pedigree as a #12 OA,so I would say definitely the better player. That doesn't mean I move 24yro Kurashev though. Last year was his first chance to play with better plyers......'player' is more accurate,and he responded nicely. He's signed cheap next year and a RFA afterward........he's the kind of player the team has to start hanging unto IMO.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 19, 2024 7:25:50 GMT -6
The thing about Kurashev is, he’s a 3rd liner on a really good team. He got a shit ton of ice time and pp time. So his numbers were inflated. Necas literally played more of a 3rd line role with minimal pp time. The year before he had 71 points and got pp time. I believe with the right personnel Necas could be a 80-90 point guy. Whereas Shevardnadze is at best a 60 point guy. So I think Necas is definitely worth a look!!! Necas has the higher ceiling with a 28/71 season already under his belt and back-back 20 goal seasons and the better pedigree as a #12 OA,so I would say definitely the better player. That doesn't mean I move 24yro Kurashev though. Last year was his first chance to play with better plyers......'player' is more accurate,and he responded nicely. He's signed cheap next year and a RFA afterward........he's the kind of player the team has to start hanging unto IMO. I wouldn't drop Shevy just yet, like you said he finally got to play with a star player in CB. He never had enough time with Kaner to improve. Kaner was with Panarin then the Cat.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 19, 2024 8:21:45 GMT -6
The thing about Kurashev is, he’s a 3rd liner on a really good team. He got a shit ton of ice time and pp time. So his numbers were inflated. Necas literally played more of a 3rd line role with minimal pp time. The year before he had 71 points and got pp time. I believe with the right personnel Necas could be a 80-90 point guy. Whereas Shevardnadze is at best a 60 point guy. So I think Necas is definitely worth a look!!! Necas has the higher ceiling with a 28/71 season already under his belt and back-back 20 goal seasons and the better pedigree as a #12 OA,so I would say definitely the better player. That doesn't mean I move 24yro Kurashev though. Last year was his first chance to play with better plyers......'player' is more accurate,and he responded nicely. He's signed cheap next year and a RFA afterward........he's the kind of player the team has to start hanging unto IMO.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 19, 2024 8:32:51 GMT -6
Not sure about this site but Hawks Latest is reporting that KD is trying to get Tanner Jeannot from Tampa. Protection for Bedard.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 19, 2024 11:29:31 GMT -6
Not sure about this site but Hawks Latest is reporting that KD is trying to get Tanner Jeannot from Tampa. Protection for Bedard. shouldnt have to give up much
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 19, 2024 11:55:37 GMT -6
Perhaps, Necas has a higher ceiling. Maybe he's a 80+pts player at his peak, whereas Kurashev is likely a 70pts player at best. I would still keep Shevy. For one thing, there's a lot to be said for continuity and fostering some sort of a team identity, which is impossible to do with players going in and out. Let's just agree that Bedard, Jones, Vlasic, Korchinski, and Kurashev are here to stay. It's also worth noting that Shevy is on an upward trajectory. Let's not forget that he had to endure the reign of Coliton.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 19, 2024 11:57:15 GMT -6
Not sure about this site but Hawks Latest is reporting that KD is trying to get Tanner Jeannot from Tampa. Protection for Bedard. shouldnt have to give up much Tampa gave up 5 draft picks including a 1st pick.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 19, 2024 12:44:53 GMT -6
shouldnt have to give up much Tampa gave up 5 draft picks including a 1st pick. them being dumb af doesn't mean we need to match it. tb needs cap space REALLY bad. seems like it shouldn't take much to get him. only 1 year left on his deal, as well.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 19, 2024 13:21:25 GMT -6
Tampa gave up 5 draft picks including a 1st pick. them being dumb af doesn't mean we need to match it. tb needs cap space REALLY bad. seems like it shouldn't take much to get him. only 1 year left on his deal, as well. I am not advocating we give that much up, just pointing out what insane the trade with Preds.
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 19, 2024 14:44:22 GMT -6
I read that too
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 19, 2024 16:08:52 GMT -6
Perhaps, Necas has a higher ceiling. Maybe he's a 80+pts player at his peak, whereas Kurashev is likely a 70pts player at best. I would still keep Shevy. For one thing, there's a lot to be said for continuity and fostering some sort of a team identity, which is impossible to do with players going in and out. Let's just agree that Bedard, Jones, Vlasic, Korchinski, and Kurashev are here to stay. It's also worth noting that Shevy is on an upward trajectory. Let's not forget that he had to endure the reign of Coliton. To add to this and hsbob 's posts. We have to build multiple lines--not just one. Who else do we have for line 2 that is playing like a 2nd rounder and will be here long term? No reason we can't have both--especially if Reichel goes the way of Sergei Samsonov.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 19, 2024 17:11:43 GMT -6
Perhaps, Necas has a higher ceiling. Maybe he's a 80+pts player at his peak, whereas Kurashev is likely a 70pts player at best. I would still keep Shevy. For one thing, there's a lot to be said for continuity and fostering some sort of a team identity, which is impossible to do with players going in and out. Let's just agree that Bedard, Jones, Vlasic, Korchinski, and Kurashev are here to stay. It's also worth noting that Shevy is on an upward trajectory. Let's not forget that he had to endure the reign of Coliton. To add to this and hsbob 's posts. We have to build multiple lines--not just one. Who else do we have for line 2 that is playing like a 2nd rounder and will be here long term? No reason we can't have both--especially if Reichel goes the way of Sergei Samsonov. If we can get Necas without giving up Shevy, that would be great. Say, if Carolina were to take one of our D prospects and 18th. Throw in Raddysh as well. Presumably we have Nazar and other prospects coming down the pike, who will become our second line with Reichel. At the moment, we may be better off finding some interim help on the free agent market, until we know what is what. PS: Let's just home that Reichel will "serge" and will not go "son of sam" on us.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jun 19, 2024 18:16:08 GMT -6
I get some people are hesitate about Guentzel and trading for Necas, but let’s get real here, the Hawks currently are the worst team in the league, these 2 make the team better, take some pressure of Bedard can’t expect that from Taylor Hall, Kurashev, great kid, works hard, but I will will go with Necas, more upside, more diverse. There is not one player besides Bedard that is not tradable. The priority is to get better and build moving forward. I am not expecting the team to turn over in 1 year, but it’s time now for KD to get some NHL talent on this team. All I here is rumours, let’s get the ball rolling.NHL ready talent gives the kids time to develop, can’t keep throwing them into the fire every year. This is not a sink or swim philosophy, we watched to many players that currently play in the NHL the Hawks ruined there development because they were not ready, and if KD continues the same path it will be the same result, wasted talent. Necas to me, is a lesser Dave Bolland, can be used everywhere in many different situations, Guentzel, provides goal scoring similar to Patrick Sharp, yes he approaching 30, but this is reality now, teams aren’t parting ways with superstars, Guentzel provides a stop gap, and if KD has idea what he is doing, with all our so called talent, the team should be ready in 2-3 years.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 19, 2024 18:25:12 GMT -6
I get some people are hesitate about Guentzel and trading for Necas, but let’s get real here, the Hawks currently are the worst team in the league, these 2 make the team better, take some pressure of Bedard can’t expect that from Taylor Hall, Kurashev, great kid, works hard, but I will will go with Necas, more upside, more diverse. There is not one player besides Bedard that is not tradable. The priority is to get better and build moving forward. I am not expecting the team to turn over in 1 year, but it’s time now for KD to get some NHL talent on this team. All I here is rumours, let’s get the ball rolling.NHL ready talent gives the kids time to develop, can’t keep throwing them into the fire every year. This is not a sink or swim philosophy, we watched to many players that currently play in the NHL the Hawks ruined there development because they were not ready, and if KD continues the same path it will be the same result, wasted talent. Necas to me, is a lesser Dave Bolland, can be used everywhere in many different situations, Guentzel, provides goal scoring similar to Patrick Sharp, yes he approaching 30, but this is reality now, teams aren’t parting ways with superstars, Guentzel provides a stop gap, and if KD has idea what he is doing, with all our so called talent, the team should be ready in 2-3 years. How is Necas more diverse than Kurashev? He can't play center and lost his spot on the top6 and #1 PP. Kurashev played center in juniors and the AHL and did a good job when he filled in at center in the NHL. Plus he's great defensively, so he can play the PK as well as the PP. Hopefully KD can get him without giving up Kurashev.
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