debrincat

[LordKOTL]

Apr 13, 2022 12:00:21 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Apr 13, 2022 10:39:47 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Yeah.  I miss having players with that kind of pack mentality who are not shorter than 5'8 on the team.

Granted, Stillman was trying to be a one-man wrecking crew last night, but gone are the days when Eager would feed Bieksa his lunch.

I've liked Stillman's tenacity since the first time I was him,makes me wonder if he's around next year.

Until the Blackhawks get the actual seeds for the next core into place, and I mean *actual* seeds, like the Keiths & Seabrooks and not the Joneses, I think a lot of players will fall into "Keep if they are cheap and until we find someone better."

Stillman at 1.35M through 2024 is not breaking the bank for what he brings, and he is not negative value like just about ever other blueliner we have on their current deals.  He is highly unlikely to be part of the next core but there's really no reason he shouldn't stay unless someone pushes him out, and with the D empty there's no reason he can't stay as a stopgap measure until the 'hawks charge up the D pool.

Unless Davidson and MacIsaac decide to change to an accounting career while still being a GM, I don't see any logical reason for them to jettison a guy like Stillman going into next year unless he's literally forced out of the lineup by guys who are better than him.  Given that our D prospect pool is empty, I also think the likelihood of the 'hawks bringing in 4 or 5 guys who play better in the backend than he does is highly remote.

[OldTimeHawky]

Apr 13, 2022 17:18:34 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Apr 13, 2022 12:00:21 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I've liked Stillman's tenacity since the first time I was him,makes me wonder if he's around next year.

Until the Blackhawks get the actual seeds for the next core into place, and I mean *actual* seeds, like the Keiths & Seabrooks and not the Joneses, I think a lot of players will fall into "Keep if they are cheap and until we find someone better."

Stillman at 1.35M through 2024 is not breaking the bank for what he brings, and he is not negative value like just about ever other blueliner we have on their current deals.  He is highly unlikely to be part of the next core but there's really no reason he shouldn't stay unless someone pushes him out, and with the D empty there's no reason he can't stay as a stopgap measure until the 'hawks charge up the D pool.

Unless Davidson and MacIsaac decide to change to an accounting career while still being a GM, I don't see any logical reason for them to jettison a guy like Stillman going into next year unless he's literally forced out of the lineup by guys who are better than him.  Given that our D prospect pool is empty, I also think the likelihood of the 'hawks bringing in 4 or 5 guys who play better in the backend than he does is highly remote.

I agree about Stillman and that the Jones aren't the next Seabs and Keith but I disagree about the D prospect pool being empty.

Mitchell and Regula are having good seasons in the AHL and should be on the roster next season, Vlasic is a big 2nd rounder who looks like he has a bright future, Phillips has made a lot of progress since his draft year, Allan looks like he could be a top4 or top2 dman, then there's Del Mastro, Crevier, and the last two 3rd rounders, Harding and Kaiser.

Not all are going to make it but there's a good chance a few will and hopefully progress into top4 and top2 players.

Seabs (14th overall), Keith (2nd round), Hjalmarsson (4th round) weren't high end picks and neither are the players I mentioned but sometimes guys progress beyond their trajectory and I think some of the dmen I mentioned will.

But if the Hawks move Debrincat I'd try and get a big young defenseman in return. You can never have too many dmen.

[LordKOTL]

Apr 13, 2022 17:53:59 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Apr 13, 2022 17:18:34 GMT -6 LordKOTL said:

Until the Blackhawks get the actual seeds for the next core into place, and I mean *actual* seeds, like the Keiths & Seabrooks and not the Joneses, I think a lot of players will fall into "Keep if they are cheap and until we find someone better."

Stillman at 1.35M through 2024 is not breaking the bank for what he brings, and he is not negative value like just about ever other blueliner we have on their current deals.  He is highly unlikely to be part of the next core but there's really no reason he shouldn't stay unless someone pushes him out, and with the D empty there's no reason he can't stay as a stopgap measure until the 'hawks charge up the D pool.

Unless Davidson and MacIsaac decide to change to an accounting career while still being a GM, I don't see any logical reason for them to jettison a guy like Stillman going into next year unless he's literally forced out of the lineup by guys who are better than him.  Given that our D prospect pool is empty, I also think the likelihood of the 'hawks bringing in 4 or 5 guys who play better in the backend than he does is highly remote.

I agree about Stillman and that the Jones aren't the next Seabs and Keith but I disagree about the D prospect pool being empty.

Mitchell and Regula are having good seasons in the AHL and should be on the roster next season, Vlasic is a big 2nd rounder who looks like he has a bright future, Phillips has made a lot of progress since his draft year, Allan looks like he could be a top4 or top2 dman, then there's Del Mastro, Crevier, and last years 3rd rounder Harding.

Not all are going to make it but there's a good chance a few will and hopefully progress into top4 and top2 players.

Seabs, Keith, and Hjalmarsson weren't top10 picks and neither are the players I mentioned.

But if the Hawks move Debrincat I'd try and get a big young defenseman in return. You can never have too many dmen.

Call me a cynical bastard, but a bunch of guys who are a middle-pair ceiling means the pool is empty.  There are plenty of those in the NHL that can be had, and there will be plenty more of them coming through the draft pipeline unless the current GM generation is worse than the previous.

That's not to say that guys like Vlassic, Phillips, etc. won't definitively pan out as top-2 guys, but the past half-decade has been worn down with all of these D-prospects who were supposed to be top-2, but weren't.  Granted, consider who was running the show, but Mitchell/Beaudin haven't proven anything.  Regula/Vlassic haven't shown they are above-and-beyond the vet castoffs like McCabe/DeHaan.  We got guys who so far have given no indication that they won't be more of the same with no one really showing that they are net next guys yet.  I see a lot of guys top-4 best, not none top-2.  

That being said I agree we can never have too many defenseman, but what we got isn't inspiring.  If you're right and we're sitting on a 1-2 guy who just hasn't broken out yet, all the better.  But I'm not seeing it; I'm seeing a bunch of guys who are okay to stay until they get expensive or we get someone better.  They may be a step up beyond Gus/DeHaan/McCabe, but that's not saying much.

[OldTimeHawky]

^ Seabs was the only one who was considered to maybe be a top2 dman when drafted but was definitely considered top4, same with Keith being a small 2nd rounder, he was projected to be a top4 guy. The 4th rounder Hjalmarsson was a great surprise. None were considered definitive top2 guys but they were in their prime.

I'd rather have six top4 guys like Vegas in their first year than 1 top2 guy and five bottom pairing guys like we have now.

And Seabs, Keith, and Hjalmarsson didn't play in the NHL right away, they toiled in the AHL. Vlasic is still young and raw, Regula is only playing in his first year of pro hockey, Mitchell his second, Phillips is still 19 and only playing in his 2nd year, and we haven't seen Allan yet.

I guess I'm optimistic but I don't see an empty prospect pool, you didn't say a top2 guys, but there's potential and like I said, hopefully some top4 guys with maybe 1 or 2 being top2.

[OldTimeHawky]

But we're getting off topic lol this is the Debrincat thread, if he's traded it should be to bolster the back end.

Maybe they should talk to Edmonton because him and McDavid are still good friends, get Broberg and Holloway or McLeod.

[mvr]

Apr 13, 2022 19:27:35 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

But we're getting off topic lol this is the Debrincat thread, if he's traded it should be to bolster the back end.

Maybe they should talk to Edmonton because him and McDavid are still good friends, get Broberg and Holloway or McLeod.

I like this idea very much as well.   

Broberg, Holloway, Kassian (as a trade dump) and a 2nd round draft pick for Debrincat and Murphy.

[BigT]

Apr 14, 2022 14:07:50 GMT -6 mvr said:

Apr 13, 2022 19:27:35 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

But we're getting off topic lol this is the Debrincat thread, if he's traded it should be to bolster the back end.

Maybe they should talk to Edmonton because him and McDavid are still good friends, get Broberg and Holloway or McLeod.

I like this idea very much as well.   

Broberg, Holloway, Kassian (as a trade dump) and a 2nd round draft pick for Debrincat and Murphy.

They gotta use cap space efficiently. Trades like this make the most sense. It’s not like the Oilers are getting a one year rental. Keith has one year left, and they don’t have to re-sign EKane. Bouchard will be ready for an expanded role. So losing Broberg won’t hurt as much.

Keeping Dcat when his value is at its max during a rebuild is absolutely insane. I get it. Fans love this guy, but we need more than one guy. The Hawks need asset management at its finest.

Let’s say they get Broberg, Halloway, Byram, Lafreniere and a couple more first rounders. That’s how you rebuild quickly. As Tallon put it. You need a solid 30 good prospects in your pool during a rebuild. Some won’t make it, some get dealt. And a bunch make your team. Having those 4 would greatly help this team. Add in all the picks over the next few years, this team would be right on track to be rebuilt in 5 years!!!

[BigT]

I never posted this before. But I heard rumours of Dcat to the Habs. The Habs will have a fairly high pick and they’ve got a few decent prospects. Not saying that it’s going to happen. But that’s one to watch out for.

Also I know we’ve talked about Dcat to LA. Bergevin is now working for the LA Kings and he loves Dcat. Not saying that’ll sway the others in management. LA has a boat load of cap space next year. But I think there’s a lot of options. Even send him to a contender and retain some money. They can figure out how to get him under the cap after that.

[mvr]

Guhle would have to be the big chip coming back from Montreal. A first round pick and another solid piece would make things very interesting.

[OldTimeHawky]

Apr 14, 2022 20:05:12 GMT -6 mvr said:

Guhle would have to be the big chip coming back from Montreal. A first round pick and another solid piece would make things very interesting.

The Habs said they were taking a forward when they were drafting ahead of the Hawks and Chicago was going to take Guhle, Habs took him so they took Reichel.

He'd be my first choice, he played with Allan in PA so there's familiarity there.

[OldTimeHawky]

Congrats Debrincat on points 300 and 301. Hopefully he can get his 40th soon, he's been snake bitten lately.

[hsbob]

Apr 16, 2022 13:46:35 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Congrats Debrincat on points 300 and 301. Hopefully he can get his 40th soon, he's been snake bitten lately.

He needs three more for a career high 42 and three more assists for a career high 36 and 10pts in his last 7gms to be a point a game winger......al within reach if the line is kept together. 

[hsbob]

Six left to get three more goals and two more helpers to reach career highs in both,the helpers are coming with regularity now and he's a bit overdue to pot a few. A hattie would be a nice way to reach those LOFTY goals!

[BigT]

Apr 19, 2022 10:07:07 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Six left to get three more goals and two more helpers to reach career highs in both,the helpers are coming with regularity now and he's a bit overdue to pot a few. A hattie would be a nice way to reach those LOFTY goals!

It really goes to show how bare this team is. We have Kane on pace to get to his 3rd best year. Dcat getting his best year. Seth on pace to get his 2nd best year (offensively). Strome might get his best year. Yet the team is soooooo far away. What a shame to waste years like that!!!

[galaxytrash]

DeBrincat becomes the eighth player in franchise history to record multiple 40-goal seasons in a Blackhawks sweater. Here's the full list of players who have accomplished that feat, and how many times they've done it:

Bobby Hull: 8
Steve Larmer: 5
Jeremy Roenick: 4
Tony Amonte: 3
Denis Savard: 3
Al Secord: 3
Alex DeBrincat: 2
Patrick Kane: 2


www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/alex-debrincat-becomes-eighth-blackhawk-multiple-40-goal-seasons

edit: just realized no mikita which surprised me abit.
he had one 40 goal season and 8 seasons of 30 or more goals (including 2 X 39 goal seasons).

[hsbob]

Five games let to get two more goals and one more helper to reach career highs in both,if those two goals are GWG's,that'll be a career high too.

[Nikos]

Debrincat #16 top 100 fantasy players who will be 25 years or younger starting next season. Names only ahead of the Cat are McJesus, Mattthews, Maker, Kaprizov, Rantanen, Fox, Marner, Svechnikov, both Tkachuck & Hughes brothers and a few others Seider at #8 (OUCH) Spencer Knight #14 & Aho at #15.

Zegras, #22, Boldy #23, Caulfield #30, Podklozin #45, Byram #55, Tomasino #66, Kaliyev #68, Newhook #75, Krebs #76, Cozens #80, Hoglander #91, followed by Dach at #92 wow I was getting a little nervous him making the list as this is projected for next season. Boqvist finishes it at #100. The only other Hawk motioned was Strome in a deep keeper league at #120.

[hsbob]

The helper on the lone goal resulted in a career high 36 assists,if he plays with forwards as talented as Kane and Strome,he'll reach 50 assists and soon.....his passing has improved greatly this year. Four more to get two more,make em GWG's and that's a new career high too........go get em kid!

Congrats on already achieved career highs in 14 PP goals and 14 PP assists too.

[hsbob]

Apr 22, 2022 14:36:17 GMT -6 Nikos said:

Debrincat #16 top 100 fantasy players who will be 25 years or younger starting next season. Names only ahead of the Cat are McJesus, Mattthews, Maker, Kaprizov, Rantanen, Fox, Marner, Svechnikov, both Tkachuck & Hughes brothers and a few others Seider at #8 (OUCH) Spencer Knight #14 & Aho at #15.

Zegras, #22, Boldy #23, Caulfield #30, Podklozin #45, Byram #55, Tomasino #66, Kaliyev #68, Newhook #75, Krebs #76, Cozens #80, Hoglander #91, followed by Dach at #92 wow I was getting a little nervous him making the list as this is projected for next season. Boqvist finishes it at #100. The only other Hawk motioned was Strome in a deep keeper league at #120.

You know what? Potter actually did less damage to Strome and his career stats by not playing him instead of forcing 8 4th line wing minutes with a couple of slugs on him.......when he's played,he's played well. 

IMO,Strome overcame a lot. He's battled a few injuries and long,unnecessary benching's to put up career goal numbers,he's worked hard to reach a very good 53% against good centers and his -6 is best among forwards. 

He's a big kid who turned 25 last month,he'll have just over three year's worth of games under his belt when this one ends @273 and he'll average 20+/50+ so far with a FO% up to 49%. The Org is God dammed lucky Potter ruined his value enough to keep DUMBASS from giving him away and lucky enough the player didn't lose faith.....give Kane and Cat some credit for that! 

[mvr]

Two of the NHL's greatest scoring wingers, Mike Bossy and Guy Lafleur, died this week.

I grew up watching both, and they dominated their eras. Bossy, like Debrincat, had the elite shot; Lafleur could skate past anyone.

What struck me looking over their career numbers were the playoff statistics. If anything, both of these Hall of Famers produced more when the games actually mattered and checking became tighter.

To be fair to Debrincat and Strome, these players have not experienced much playoff hockey. Nevertheless, they have played in pressure filled, heavy checking games. So far, the results are not encouraging.

Debrincat has 76 points this year, which is way more than I would have predicted a few years back. But some perspective is in order here. Twenty eight of these points have come on the powerplay (where he averages about three-and-a-half minutes a game). Debrincat is also an elite scorer three-on-three in overtime (which is when he has scored four of his goals). He also plays most often with Hall of Famer and generational talent Patrick Kane.

The Strome line dominates against weaker teams and terrible defence. But they can get easily shut down against the bigger and better teams. Without Kane, I question how much either Strome or Debrincat would manage on their own, especially in the playoffs.

They get three or four points one night, and then nothing. And then nothing.

This is not Mike Bossy or Guy Lafleur. It is Jeff Skinner.

[mvr]

Debrincat's production as a scorer has to be recognized in context. He is playing with Kane. Much of his production is not during five on five play. He does produce disportionate scoring against weaker opponents.

There are many elite closers in baseball who failed as starters. When they only have to pitch one inning, they can reduce the types of pitches they use, and they can pump the power.

Jorge Lopez in Baltimore is now a closer and already has four saves. He could not get through five innings a game when starting. He could emerge with very impressive numbers in his new role.

But let's remember to recognize the context of the job. Sure, not everyone can close a game, just like not everyone can produce as the primary gunman on a powerplay. But these are not the most difficult roles to fill in their respective sports.

[vadarx]

I don't think it is really necessary to try and degrade Debrincat. if you want to say he is our best asset and would go the furthest toward kick starting the rebuild, which is true, go ahead.

trying to make him seem lesser to justify moving him for assets seems ass backwards to me, especially when the reason to trade him is because he is our best asset...

[shooter61]

Apr 24, 2022 5:20:55 GMT -6 mvr said:

Two of the NHL's greatest scoring wingers, Mike Bossy and Guy Lafleur, died this week.

I grew up watching both, and they dominated their eras. Bossy, like Debrincat, had the elite shot; Lafleur could skate past anyone.

What struck me looking over their career numbers were the playoff statistics. If anything, both of these Hall of Famers produced more when the games actually mattered and checking became tighter.

To be fair to Debrincat and Strome, these players have not experienced much playoff hockey. Nevertheless, they have played in pressure filled, heavy checking games. So far, the results are not encouraging.

Debrincat has 76 points this year, which is way more than I would have predicted a few years back. But some perspective is in order here. Twenty eight of these points have come on the powerplay (where he averages about three-and-a-half minutes a game). Debrincat is also an elite scorer three-on-three in overtime (which is when he has scored four of his goals). He also plays most often with Hall of Famer and generational talent Patrick Kane.

The Strome line dominates against weaker teams and terrible defence. But they can get easily shut down against the bigger and better teams. Without Kane, I question how much either Strome or Debrincat would manage on their own, especially in the playoffs.

They get three or four points one night, and then nothing. And then nothing.

This is not Mike Bossy or Guy Lafleur. It is Jeff Skinner.

so, reading between the lines your saying that trots, had nothing  to do with bossy's scoring, bossy's was deadly in front of the net, where he got most of his goals, and one timers  kinda like Debrincat, Guy played with a team of HOF's, and as far as I'm concerned not the best player taken in that draft , so comparing the both of them to debrincat, is not right, seems to me it took guy 4 or 5 years  before he did anything , and even then he only had 5 or 6  100 point years ,what I guess is would be super star points , guy was so overhyped 
in Montreal as the next richard , that everyone jumped on board, 
to say that guy was one of the NHLs best scoring wingers is a big over statement he finished his playing days with under 600 goals

[T-man2010]

Apr 24, 2022 5:20:55 GMT -6 mvr said:

Two of the NHL's greatest scoring wingers, Mike Bossy and Guy Lafleur, died this week.

I grew up watching both, and they dominated their eras. Bossy, like Debrincat, had the elite shot; Lafleur could skate past anyone.

What struck me looking over their career numbers were the playoff statistics. If anything, both of these Hall of Famers produced more when the games actually mattered and checking became tighter.

To be fair to Debrincat and Strome, these players have not experienced much playoff hockey. Nevertheless, they have played in pressure filled, heavy checking games. So far, the results are not encouraging.

Debrincat has 76 points this year, which is way more than I would have predicted a few years back. But some perspective is in order here. Twenty eight of these points have come on the powerplay (where he averages about three-and-a-half minutes a game). Debrincat is also an elite scorer three-on-three in overtime (which is when he has scored four of his goals). He also plays most often with Hall of Famer and generational talent Patrick Kane.

The Strome line dominates against weaker teams and terrible defence. But they can get easily shut down against the bigger and better teams. Without Kane, I question how much either Strome or Debrincat would manage on their own, especially in the playoffs.

They get three or four points one night, and then nothing. And then nothing.

This is not Mike Bossy or Guy Lafleur. It is Jeff Skinner.

I'm finding it harder to make comparisons from era to era.
We can use numbers as a measuring tool, but players today are so much better conditioned year round now.
The 50's different than the 70's than the 90's than the 10's etc, etc.

[Nikos]

Apr 24, 2022 7:34:38 GMT -6 mvr said:

Debrincat's production as a scorer has to be recognized in context. He is playing with Kane. Much of his production is not during five on five play. He does produce disportionate scoring against weaker opponents.

There are many elite closers in baseball who failed as starters. When they only have to pitch one inning, they can reduce the types of pitches they use, and they can pump the power.

Jorge Lopez in Baltimore is now a closer and already has four saves. He could not get through five innings a game when starting. He could emerge with very impressive numbers in his new role.

But let's remember to recognize the context of the job. Sure, not everyone can close a game, just like not everyone can produce as the primary gunman on a powerplay. But these are not the most difficult roles to fill in their respective sports.

So we have about a week that has passed with no Debrincat bashing and with the Cat closing in on career goals, points & assists we have another opinion presented that somehow Debrincat's goals and points are inflated, overrated and scores mostly against bad teams, power play and 3 on 3 overtime. He also does not measure up to NHL legends because they did it the playoffs and who btw both Bossy and Lafleur played on dominant teams with hall of famers on the Canadies and Islanders.

I do not believe that is a fair comparison with Debricant who has only played a handful of playoff games and certainly his teams do not even come close to talent and experience as the Canadies and Islanders. Both of these teams from a historical perspective will go down as some of the greatest teams of all time. Let's ask ourselves a reasonable question then, wonder how many goals the Cat would have scored on those three winning cup teams during the playoffs?

[Nikos]

Lafleur power play goals percent vs total goals=28%
Lafleur power play points percent vs total points=31%

Bossy power play goals percent vs total goals =31%
Bossy power play points percent vs total points=34%

Debricant power play goals percent vs total goals=32%
Debricant power play points percent vs total points=32%

Seems like they all score at the same rate with the man advantage. Btw, were there no bad teams when Lafleur and Bossy played?

[hsbob]

Apr 24, 2022 5:20:55 GMT -6 mvr said:

Two of the NHL's greatest scoring wingers, Mike Bossy and Guy Lafleur, died this week.

I grew up watching both, and they dominated their eras. Bossy, like Debrincat, had the elite shot; Lafleur could skate past anyone.

What struck me looking over their career numbers were the playoff statistics. If anything, both of these Hall of Famers produced more when the games actually mattered and checking became tighter.

To be fair to Debrincat and Strome, these players have not experienced much playoff hockey. Nevertheless, they have played in pressure filled, heavy checking games. So far, the results are not encouraging.

Debrincat has 76 points this year, which is way more than I would have predicted a few years back. But some perspective is in order here. Twenty eight of these points have come on the powerplay (where he averages about three-and-a-half minutes a game). Debrincat is also an elite scorer three-on-three in overtime (which is when he has scored four of his goals). He also plays most often with Hall of Famer and generational talent Patrick Kane.

The Strome line dominates against weaker teams and terrible defence. But they can get easily shut down against the bigger and better teams. Without Kane, I question how much either Strome or Debrincat would manage on their own, especially in the playoffs.

They get three or four points one night, and then nothing. And then nothing.

This is not Mike Bossy or Guy Lafleur. It is Jeff Skinner.

I watched both play their entire careers myself. I'll let others make the point better than I can but do you care to compare the level of talent on the three clubs the three elite goal scorers played on?

As if comparing a 24yro to two of the game's pure goal scoring legends isn't bad enough,you compare the play of a kid on a talentless team who's quit around him to the play of veteran greats on ALL-STAR teams with HoF players and great coaches..........not sure if you realize it but any comparison to these legends is a compliment to a player of such a young age.

Even the teams Kane played on his first 5 years were TONS better than the ones D-Cat has,Kane played with ALL-STARS and HoF'ers in their prime along with role players like Buff,Bicks and Shaw. D-Cat got a run-down Kane and Towes and a bunch of mutts when he got here and he still put up ALL-STAR numbers.


 

[Nikos]

I also believe the goalies now are much better than when Lafleur and Bossy were playing. Look at some of the highlights of their goals, particularly when shooting from outside the circles with no screen and the goalies just whiffing at the puck. To be clear both are elite scorers and some of the best the game has ever witnessed, just my opinion it was little easier to score in those eras and the goalies played a factor.

[Nikos]

Apr 24, 2022 10:54:59 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Apr 24, 2022 5:20:55 GMT -6 mvr said:

Two of the NHL's greatest scoring wingers, Mike Bossy and Guy Lafleur, died this week.

I grew up watching both, and they dominated their eras. Bossy, like Debrincat, had the elite shot; Lafleur could skate past anyone.

What struck me looking over their career numbers were the playoff statistics. If anything, both of these Hall of Famers produced more when the games actually mattered and checking became tighter.

To be fair to Debrincat and Strome, these players have not experienced much playoff hockey. Nevertheless, they have played in pressure filled, heavy checking games. So far, the results are not encouraging.

Debrincat has 76 points this year, which is way more than I would have predicted a few years back. But some perspective is in order here. Twenty eight of these points have come on the powerplay (where he averages about three-and-a-half minutes a game). Debrincat is also an elite scorer three-on-three in overtime (which is when he has scored four of his goals). He also plays most often with Hall of Famer and generational talent Patrick Kane.

The Strome line dominates against weaker teams and terrible defence. But they can get easily shut down against the bigger and better teams. Without Kane, I question how much either Strome or Debrincat would manage on their own, especially in the playoffs.

They get three or four points one night, and then nothing. And then nothing.

This is not Mike Bossy or Guy Lafleur. It is Jeff Skinner.

I watched both play their entire careers myself. I'll let others make the point better than I can but do you care to compare the level of talent on the three clubs the three elite goal scorers played on?

As if comparing a 24yro to two of the game's pure goal scoring legends isn't bad enough,you compare the play of a kid on a talentless team who's quit around him to the play of veteran greats on ALL-STAR teams with HoF players and great coaches..........not sure if you realize it but any comparison to these legends is a compliment to a player of such a young age.

Even the teams Kane played on his first 5 years were TONS better than the ones D-Cat has,Kane played with ALL-STARS and HoF'ers in their prime along with role players like Buff,Bicks and Shaw. D-Cat got a run-down Kane and Towes and a bunch of mutts when he got here and he still put up ALL-STAR numbers.

Bob, your point about who was coaching those teams Hal of Famers (Arbour & Bowman) is very revealing and relevant, how many cups between these two HOF coaches? I think it is 15 or 16.
 

[OldTimeHawky]

Apr 24, 2022 10:57:30 GMT -6 Nikos said:

I also believe the goalies now are much better than when Lafleur and Bossy were playing. Look at some of the highlights of their goals, particularly when shooting from outside the circles with no screen and the goalies just whiffing at the puck. To be clear both are elite scorers and some of the best the game has ever witnessed, just my opinion it was little easier to score in those eras and the goalies played a factor.

The goalies back then wore leather pads stuffed with horse hair, they were narrow and heavy, especially as the game went on and they got wet. Plus the catching glove didn't have cheaters and were a lot smaller.

And goalies played a stand up style so there were more low shots going in.

So yeah there's no point in comparing players then and now.