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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 9:00:54 GMT -6
Who will the Hawks sacrifice in the expansion draft? Seabrook.....😅 wait, lemme rephrase.... Seabrook, a pick, and a prospect none of us here want to see traded..... If this expansion draft is similar to the one Vegas had, Seabrook would have to be protected due to the NMC. So he would have to waive that in order to be moved. And if that were the case, I don't think at this stage of his career he'd want to go to an expansion team, even with the success Vegas has had in their first 3 seasons.
Seattle must choose a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2021-22 regular season and those with an aggregate Expansion Draft value that is between 60-100 percent of the prior season's upper limit for the salary cap. Seattle cannot buy out players chosen in the Expansion Draft earlier than the summer following its first season.
Current NHL teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie, or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goalie, under the following conditions.
* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits.
* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.
In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:
* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.
* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.
* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.
* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection.
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Post by BigT on Sept 27, 2020 9:05:17 GMT -6
Let’s say the Jets were to send Laine for Toews with the same amount retained so the money is a wash, would that be an acceptable trade? A young sniper that’s huge and could slide in a top line with Dach? I’d think about that one very hard. Then if we did that Kane deal with the Rags, and the deal with Van to acquire Loui Ericksson and get Podkolzin out of the deal. We’d have a very big and skilled team to move forward. Imagine having 1)Kakko-Dach-Laine 2) Dcat-Strome-Podkolzin. That could be an electric top two lines in years to come. All are under 24 and it gives us years to build around and keep salaries under control. I think I’d feel much better about that, plus we could also get a couple more good players out of the draft as we’d be on the bottom to start out. I’d also try and get Byram for Saad half price from the Avs. Can’t have too many d men. Also like I’ve said, I’d honestly keep Seabs as my captain and let him help out with the kids. He said he loves having Dach around and mentoring the young kids in the room. He’d probably appreciate being captain, and more than likely only play a couple more years before he retired anyways. At that point the team would be in prime position to take off. We would also have a couple top 3 picks as the team would suffer the first two years. But then they’d take flight in the 3rd year, and maybe just maybe, bring back Toews and Kane to hell with the Cup when their current deals run out and let them relive their glory and get us to where we need. By then, Kane will be poised to become the highest scoring American born of all time, and be the highest scoring American born of all time in the post season. It’s a win win across the board!!! Laine would make sense and a flat cap might allow a reasonable extension unless he blows the stat sheet up(which could happen on a line with Kane if he stays) and if he wants too much at that point,you trade him for a MASSIVE return at the TDL. My concern with a Jets trade is Scambo might opt for Lil' Nik Ehlers instead and his 6M for the next five years........gotta be first to the puck.......so you can get plastered!LOL! Maybe the Seabs idea works cause Dach did get bigger and stronger as the year went on livin' in Mrs. Seabs basement and few rookies do that. I'd do the Saad trade too,a D prospect with size who looks ready is a need. I'd love to see the team "take off again",I waited a long time last time but what are the chances the Org has ANY intention of doing anything other than portray themselves as a PO team again? I just don't see ownership trading K&T risking the half empty UC we saw last time the team was real bad.........to quote 'Dollar Bill',"who'll buy my beer?"  I believe you’re right. That’s just what I’d try and do. I think they trade away Saad for picks, and maybe one more move and say the kids they have are the way and their excited etc etc. Then when they don’t get it done. JC will be the fall guy and Stan lasts another 5 decades!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 27, 2020 9:08:16 GMT -6
Seabrook.....😅 wait, lemme rephrase.... Seabrook, a pick, and a prospect none of us here want to see traded..... If this expansion draft is similar to the one Vegas had, Seabrook would have to be protected due to the NMC. So he would have to waive that in order to be moved. And if that were the case, I don't think at this stage of his career he'd want to go to an expansion team, even with the success Vegas has had in their first 3 seasons. I think the whole seabs to seattle thing has gained traction because seattle's like 140 miles from his home in BC.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 27, 2020 9:16:12 GMT -6
Laine would make sense and a flat cap might allow a reasonable extension unless he blows the stat sheet up(which could happen on a line with Kane if he stays) and if he wants too much at that point,you trade him for a MASSIVE return at the TDL. My concern with a Jets trade is Scambo might opt for Lil' Nik Ehlers instead and his 6M for the next five years........gotta be first to the puck.......so you can get plastered!LOL! Maybe the Seabs idea works cause Dach did get bigger and stronger as the year went on livin' in Mrs. Seabs basement and few rookies do that. I'd do the Saad trade too,a D prospect with size who looks ready is a need. I'd love to see the team "take off again",I waited a long time last time but what are the chances the Org has ANY intention of doing anything other than portray themselves as a PO team again? I just don't see ownership trading K&T risking the half empty UC we saw last time the team was real bad.........to quote 'Dollar Bill',"who'll buy my beer?" I believe you’re right. That’s just what I’d try and do. I think they trade away Saad for picks, and maybe one more move and say the kids they have are the way and their excited etc etc. Then when they don’t get it done. JC will be the fall guy and Stan lasts another 5 decades!!! But.....but.....I don't have another five decades! Yes,I can easily see the 'two princes' pointing their fingers at a hapless JC if the team gets off to a bad start or if the team misses........someone will have to take the blame and last names will be a factor.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 27, 2020 16:24:54 GMT -6
Laine would make sense and a flat cap might allow a reasonable extension unless he blows the stat sheet up(which could happen on a line with Kane if he stays) and if he wants too much at that point,you trade him for a MASSIVE return at the TDL. My concern with a Jets trade is Scambo might opt for Lil' Nik Ehlers instead and his 6M for the next five years........gotta be first to the puck.......so you can get plastered!LOL! Maybe the Seabs idea works cause Dach did get bigger and stronger as the year went on livin' in Mrs. Seabs basement and few rookies do that. I'd do the Saad trade too,a D prospect with size who looks ready is a need. I'd love to see the team "take off again",I waited a long time last time but what are the chances the Org has ANY intention of doing anything other than portray themselves as a PO team again? I just don't see ownership trading K&T risking the half empty UC we saw last time the team was real bad.........to quote 'Dollar Bill',"who'll buy my beer?" I believe you’re right. That’s just what I’d try and do. I think they trade away Saad for picks, and maybe one more move and say the kids they have are the way and their excited etc etc. Then when they don’t get it done. JC will be the fall guy and Stan lasts another 5 decades!!! I said all along that JC is in a no win here with Stan as GM. I'd like to hear someday what SB promised JC when he offered him the Icehogs job. I bet it wasn't the Hawks job in one season. JC is going to be the fall guy in the brass's eyes.
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Post by BigT on Sept 27, 2020 18:46:19 GMT -6
I believe you’re right. That’s just what I’d try and do. I think they trade away Saad for picks, and maybe one more move and say the kids they have are the way and their excited etc etc. Then when they don’t get it done. JC will be the fall guy and Stan lasts another 5 decades!!! I said all along that JC is in a no win here with Stan as GM. I'd like to hear someday what SB promised JC when he offered him the Icehogs job. I bet it wasn't the Hawks job in one season. JC is going to be the fall guy in the brass's eyes. I think it’s predetermined that JC is a bitch and he’ll be treated like one!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 28, 2020 6:02:11 GMT -6
I said all along that JC is in a no win here with Stan as GM. I'd like to hear someday what SB promised JC when he offered him the Icehogs job. I bet it wasn't the Hawks job in one season. JC is going to be the fall guy in the brass's eyes. I think it’s predetermined that JC is a bitch and he’ll be treated like one!!! If what you say is true, then JC never should have taken the job as Icehogs coach. If he feels now that he was bamboozled into this situation, like I said he's in a no win. If he's fired at least he could get another job, if he quits he will be seen as a quitter in the eyes of the league. Tougher to get a job then.
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Post by nighbor on Sept 28, 2020 10:43:33 GMT -6
I think it’s predetermined that JC is a bitch and he’ll be treated like one!!! If what you say is true, then JC never should have taken the job as Icehogs coach. If he feels now that he was bamboozled into this situation, like I said he's in a no win. If he's fired at least he could get another job, if he quits he will be seen as a quitter in the eyes of the league. Tougher to get a job then. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory. Jeremy finished his playing career overseas and started his coaching career in Sweden. After 4 seasons and finishing first his final season he decided to continue his coaching career in North America. Who says you can't go home again.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 28, 2020 11:41:48 GMT -6
If what you say is true, then JC never should have taken the job as Icehogs coach. If he feels now that he was bamboozled into this situation, like I said he's in a no win. If he's fired at least he could get another job, if he quits he will be seen as a quitter in the eyes of the league. Tougher to get a job then. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory. Jeremy finished his playing career overseas and started his coaching career in Sweden. After 4 seasons and finishing first his final season he decided to continue his coaching career in North America. Who says you can't go home again. you are right. there is no conspiracy here, it was just a shitty hire by our GM. he thought he had found some awesome young coach (which, in JC's defense, made he will be someday) and rushed him into replacing a HOF coach. not JC's fault, I'd take the job too.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 28, 2020 11:56:15 GMT -6
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory. Jeremy finished his playing career overseas and started his coaching career in Sweden. After 4 seasons and finishing first his final season he decided to continue his coaching career in North America. Who says you can't go home again. you are right. there is no conspiracy here, it was just a shitty hire by our GM. he thought he had found some awesome young coach (which, in JC's defense, made he will be someday) and rushed him into replacing a HOF coach. not JC's fault, I'd take the job too. That was my point, but I have to say not a shitty hire, he did a very good job in 1st season with the Hogs. Would have been nice to see 3-4 seasons there first before a shot at HC.
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Post by Tater on Sept 28, 2020 12:08:34 GMT -6
I don't have link, but I read Sikura has been traded for Pirri.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 28, 2020 14:10:29 GMT -6
I don't have link, but I read Sikura has been traded for Pirri. And I just ordered my Sikura sweater......
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Post by BigT on Sept 28, 2020 15:39:17 GMT -6
If what you say is true, then JC never should have taken the job as Icehogs coach. If he feels now that he was bamboozled into this situation, like I said he's in a no win. If he's fired at least he could get another job, if he quits he will be seen as a quitter in the eyes of the league. Tougher to get a job then. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory. Jeremy finished his playing career overseas and started his coaching career in Sweden. After 4 seasons and finishing first his final season he decided to continue his coaching career in North America. Who says you can't go home again. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory. Really. Is Colliton seriously the guy for the job? Before you answer, please think about that. You have a team full of legends and their gonna listen to a guy their age or younger with zero experience? JC was never even an assistant. He’s like Stan. They have no clue what they’re doing and pretend to have all the answers when they don’t. Vadar is right. If I got offered the job I’d take it. And I’d also have a 3 year contract that says I’m making high six figures the next 3 years. Colliton needed an assistant job for 3-4 years like Ott. Ott will be an excellent head coach one day. JC will probably never ever get another shot. It’ll be back to the AHL or the Jr leagues after this stop. Stan had to find someone younger than him and who’d be obedient to his kerfuffle. It’s a failure on so many levels to get a guy to coach who’s really not even a coach!!!
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Post by vadarx on Sept 28, 2020 18:41:13 GMT -6
you are right. there is no conspiracy here, it was just a shitty hire by our GM. he thought he had found some awesome young coach (which, in JC's defense, made he will be someday) and rushed him into replacing a HOF coach. not JC's fault, I'd take the job too. That was my point, but I have to say not a shitty hire, he did a very good job in 1st season with the Hogs. Would have been nice to see 3-4 seasons there first before a shot at HC. I agree. perhaps a shitty hire wasn't the right terminology, because I agree that he wasn't a bad hire at all.....for the Hogs. as a hire for the Blackhawks, he was a shitty hire. imo. especially when they could've fired Q in the summer and hired the Cup winning coach who had just been unceremoniously let go...
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Post by acesandeights on Sept 29, 2020 10:15:11 GMT -6
Was hiring JC as head coach of an NHL club any different than; A major league baseball team hiring a new manager whose only managerial experience is in the Japanese Baseball League, or, An NBA team hiring a new head coach whose only HC experience is in the European Basketball Leagues.
When you look at his record for the past two seasons, depending how someone wants to look at it, it's either a glass half full or a glass half empty. His record stayed the same; it didn't get better and it didn't get worse.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 29, 2020 11:35:00 GMT -6
Was hiring JC as head coach of an NHL club any different than; A major league baseball team hiring a new manager whose only managerial experience is in the Japanese Baseball League, or, An NBA team hiring a new head coach whose only HC experience is in the European Basketball Leagues. When you look at his record for the past two seasons, depending how someone wants to look at it, it's either a glass half full or a glass half empty. His record stayed the same; it didn't get better and it didn't get worse. But didn't the team make moves that improved the roster after Q's dismissal like Strome and Caggiula for Manning? Didn't the team go out and add two expensive D-men,two fairly expensive forwards and an expensive goaltender last summer? Did all of that get us out of the cellar?
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2020 11:43:47 GMT -6
Was hiring JC as head coach of an NHL club any different than; A major league baseball team hiring a new manager whose only managerial experience is in the Japanese Baseball League, or, An NBA team hiring a new head coach whose only HC experience is in the European Basketball Leagues. When you look at his record for the past two seasons, depending how someone wants to look at it, it's either a glass half full or a glass half empty. His record stayed the same; it didn't get better and it didn't get worse. Sure, but we had some players have career years when he just got the F*** outta the way. Then he comes back and implements this horrible defensive structure that failed miserably to anyone’s accord. While the guys that are being paid a lot took a leap backward. So, something is wrong. If we keep looking at a glass half full, we’ll never ever have a full glass!!!
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Post by acesandeights on Sept 29, 2020 12:27:13 GMT -6
Was hiring JC as head coach of an NHL club any different than; A major league baseball team hiring a new manager whose only managerial experience is in the Japanese Baseball League, or, An NBA team hiring a new head coach whose only HC experience is in the European Basketball Leagues. When you look at his record for the past two seasons, depending how someone wants to look at it, it's either a glass half full or a glass half empty. His record stayed the same; it didn't get better and it didn't get worse. Sure, but we had some players have career years when he just got the F*** outta the way. Then he comes back and implements this horrible defensive structure that failed miserably to anyone’s accord. While the guys that are being paid a lot took a leap backward. So, something is wrong. If we keep looking at a glass half full, we’ll never ever have a full glass!!!That was a good way to put it. I wasn't trying to imply anything about JC; all I was doing was just mentioning the almost same results over his two seasons. We had two F's do most of the goal scoring and got 21 g's total from the D corps, along with giving up a ton of shots. I just wonder if Stan is going to think a trade here or there and maybe a mid to somewhat higher level FA and maybe a lesser FA will give the team a more full glass.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 29, 2020 13:42:24 GMT -6
Was hiring JC as head coach of an NHL club any different than; A major league baseball team hiring a new manager whose only managerial experience is in the Japanese Baseball League, or, An NBA team hiring a new head coach whose only HC experience is in the European Basketball Leagues. When you look at his record for the past two seasons, depending how someone wants to look at it, it's either a glass half full or a glass half empty. His record stayed the same; it didn't get better and it didn't get worse. But didn't the team make moves that improved the roster after Q's dismissal like Strome and Caggiula for Manning? Didn't the team go out and add two expensive D-men,two fairly expensive forwards and an expensive goaltender last summer? Did all of that get us out of the cellar? I was talking to a friend who is a Pens fan and he says how happy they were to get rid of Matta. He was slow and not very good. And obviously De haan is also very slow of foot. Our defense didn't get better, it got slower since we seen Seabs lose a step each of the last 2 years. Maybe with seabs surgeries he may gain back a step or 2, hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -6
I don't have link, but I read Sikura has been traded for Pirri. And I just ordered my Sikura sweater...... Well hold onto it, his brother Tyler is still with Rockford.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:14:02 GMT -6
But didn't the team make moves that improved the roster after Q's dismissal like Strome and Caggiula for Manning? Didn't the team go out and add two expensive D-men,two fairly expensive forwards and an expensive goaltender last summer? Did all of that get us out of the cellar? I was talking to a friend who is a Pens fan and he says how happy they were to get rid of Matta. He was slow and not very good. And obviously De haan is also very slow of foot. Our defense didn't get better, it got slower since we seen Seabs lose a step each of the last 2 years. Maybe with seabs surgeries he may gain back a step or 2, hopefully. And there is the grand scheme of Bowman.....bring in 2 new defensemen who can make Seabrook look fast!
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2020 17:00:04 GMT -6
Sure, but we had some players have career years when he just got the F*** outta the way. Then he comes back and implements this horrible defensive structure that failed miserably to anyone’s accord. While the guys that are being paid a lot took a leap backward. So, something is wrong. If we keep looking at a glass half full, we’ll never ever have a full glass!!!That was a good way to put it. I wasn't trying to imply anything about JC; all I was doing was just mentioning the almost same results over his two seasons. We had two F's do most of the goal scoring and got 21 g's total from the D corps, along with giving up a ton of shots. I just wonder if Stan is going to think a trade here or there and maybe a mid to somewhat higher level FA and maybe a lesser FA will give the team a more full glass. You’re probably right that Scambo will dumpster dive and hope for the best. But he’s gotta she’d salary first. I’m hearing Saad is all but gone. He has a 10 team NTC that kicks in after the draft or free agency I’m told. From the sounds of it, it’s really looking like Ottawa or NJ for his destination. Scambo really wants to get Crawford re-signed. If he doesn’t, we’ve already seen what this team can do with a shitty tender. If Crawford isn’t here, I think the Hawks will be picking very very high!!!
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2020 17:00:48 GMT -6
And I just ordered my Sikura sweater...... Well hold onto it, his brother Tyler is still with Rockford. I F****** hope he also wears #95!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 29, 2020 17:09:01 GMT -6
And I just ordered my Sikura sweater...... Well hold onto it, his brother Tyler is still with Rockford. Actually no he's not.
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2020 18:01:15 GMT -6
Pierre Lebrun just said on TSN that he thinks things will be very tough to get going as the NHL is the only league that is gate driven. So, he said if you think the league and revenues are weird this year. Imagine a year that’s half a year and no fans? The league is in a bit of trouble here.
Side note. I met Pierre this year at the Whitby tourney. We destroyed his sons team and he was very gracious in defeat I must say. I think we beat them 10-1 or 11-1. He’s actually quite tall too. I’d say 6’2 or 6’3!!!
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Post by vadarx on Sept 29, 2020 18:10:04 GMT -6
Pierre Lebrun just said on TSN that he thinks things will be very tough to get going as the NHL is the only league that is gate driven. So, he said if you think the league and revenues are weird this year. Imagine a year that’s half a year and no fans? The league is in a bit of trouble here. Side note. I met Pierre this year at the Whitby tourney. We destroyed his sons team and he was very gracious in defeat I must say. I think we beat them 10-1 or 11-1. He’s actually quite tall too. I’d say 6’2 or 6’3!!! I know I've said before that I think there will be an abbreviated season, and I still do because some money (tv) is better than no money, but the last time Tampa won the Cup...... well, we had to wait awhile to see hockey again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 18:28:09 GMT -6
Well hold onto it, his brother Tyler is still with Rockford. Actually no he's not. When I googled it shows he is still with Rockford. But going under Cap Friendly I don't see him on the roster
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Post by BigT on Sept 29, 2020 19:31:52 GMT -6
Pierre Lebrun just said on TSN that he thinks things will be very tough to get going as the NHL is the only league that is gate driven. So, he said if you think the league and revenues are weird this year. Imagine a year that’s half a year and no fans? The league is in a bit of trouble here. Side note. I met Pierre this year at the Whitby tourney. We destroyed his sons team and he was very gracious in defeat I must say. I think we beat them 10-1 or 11-1. He’s actually quite tall too. I’d say 6’2 or 6’3!!! I know I've said before that I think there will be an abbreviated season, and I still do because some money (tv) is better than no money, but the last time Tampa won the Cup...... well, we had to wait awhile to see hockey again. I don’t see how some tv money is better than none. Players don’t wanna take concessions and there’s just no money. They said on That’s Hockey that the revenue would be literally 10% of what it normally is. Without fans, I think the season gets cancelled. Toews would have to play for a million tops, and the lower paid guys would literally get 100k. I don’t see them wanting to take the risk for that much. There’s just no money without the fans. And the year after would be atrocious because the cap would be based off of the year before. A smart GM would cut salary and wait to see what happens. My personal thoughts are that when hockey returns, players will be forced to take a 25-40% reduction in their salaries and the cap will probably go down to 50 million again. This is gonna throw a proverbial wrench into everyone’s ball sack!!!
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Post by Tater on Sept 30, 2020 2:13:51 GMT -6
I'm probably way off, but wasn't there supposed to be a NHL/ESPN TV deal alleged a few years ago?
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Post by vadarx on Sept 30, 2020 2:40:20 GMT -6
I'm probably way off, but wasn't there supposed to be a NHL/ESPN TV deal alleged a few years ago? the nbc deal expires in 2021. we will see if espn jumps back on the ice then. I dunno if they will or not, tbh.
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