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Post by vadarx on Aug 3, 2020 18:32:43 GMT -6
I would like to bring up a thought I've had over the last couple days after the gameday thread on Saturday:
I would like to submit for everyone's consideration that religion and politics should be subjects not broached here on this board.
I have a strong belief everyone should be allowed their beliefs and everyone should have the right to free speech. if the majority here would prefer to allow these discussions, then I have no problem with it. I would actually enjoy talking with people here about the subjects, provided civil discourse is the rule.
the last bit there is the reason for my proposal. this is a thing that seems to be in very short supply nowadays. it is not hard for anyone to get upset and cross the line, myself included. in that vein, to Madrose, Cudaman, or anyone else that I may have offended with my tone or colorful language on Saturday, I apologize. I will state in my defense that I was less upset about the posts, despite my disagreement with them, and more so upset with the idea that the first gameday thread in 4 months was about to devolve into bickering.
talking is necessary, now more than ever. listening to others and differing points of view and opinions is just as necessary. and if we all feel as though that can occur here without it tearing the board apart, then I am all for it. sadly, I am not of that opinion, as I've seen it happen all too often, especially recently.
so then, I ask you all: what do you think? can we talk about these things and realize we are all here because we love the same hockey team and can do so and still disagree about things outside of hockey or should we just avoid the conversations (and consequences that are likely inevitable if they are had) all together?
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 3, 2020 18:42:13 GMT -6
well said.
you know where i stand so i'll just leave it there.
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Post by vadarx on Aug 3, 2020 18:49:15 GMT -6
I do, but do you think we should have these discussions here? do we make a new thread or room here for said discussions? do we avoid them at all costs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 18:51:48 GMT -6
If there is going to be discussions the most logical place is the lounge, which was set up for all non-hockey related talk. I'm pretty sure T-Man preferred to keep religion and politics off the site for the same concerns Vadarx expressed.
I know that the debate was joined in by either 1 or 2 guests (2 different usernames but could have been the same person logging in twice under different names) of the site that may have upped the tensions on it.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 3, 2020 19:03:21 GMT -6
I do, but do you think we should have these discussions here? do we make a new thread or room here for said discussions? do we avoid them at all costs? i'd avoid them at all costs but that's just me. even living over here, i've lost friends over many of the divisive topics that are so f'n prevalent these days. i know it's likely just as much me as them, but i'm sick all the arguing and conflict. like i said in the GDT....lots of sites out there where you can just let her rip no matter what side you're on. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 3, 2020 19:05:41 GMT -6
I know that the debate was joined in by either 1 or 2 guests (2 different usernames but could have been the same person logging in twice under different names) of the site that may have upped the tensions on it. i was torn on whether to remove those posts or not. a clear set of rules here would serve everyone well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 19:13:12 GMT -6
I know that the debate was joined in by either 1 or 2 guests (2 different usernames but could have been the same person logging in twice under different names) of the site that may have upped the tensions on it. i was torn on whether to remove those posts or not. a clear set of rules here would serve everyone well. I'd suggest if they are brought up again deleting them all from the game day threads moving forward. Nothing we say on these boards is going to make a difference to how the broadcasts handle this. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 3, 2020 19:21:01 GMT -6
i was torn on whether to remove those posts or not. a clear set of rules here would serve everyone well. I'd suggest if they are brought up again deleting them all from the game day threads moving forward. Nothing we say on these boards is going to make a difference to how the broadcasts handle this. likely should make it so "guests" can't post. might be a good start at least. i'd like to ban the words "right" and "left" also. those words are too dangerous. so it'd be a port winger and a starboard winger. : ) |
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Post by tincup on Aug 3, 2020 19:45:58 GMT -6
Too many intransigent people in the world, can’t have any discussion anymore and walk away friends it seems. I’d say avoid these subjects as much as possible. But what do you do when people start conflating politics with hockey? Never mind what transpired before the first game. The thread about the Blackhawks logo went off the rails pretty quick.
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Post by creature on Aug 3, 2020 19:46:43 GMT -6
So we need to wear boat shoes now matey?😁
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Post by BigT on Aug 4, 2020 13:36:24 GMT -6
There should be a thread for that stuff in no hockey talk forum. Let people go in there to discuss. The odd joke about a political person should be just that, should t turn into a political debate. I make fun of all politicians!
Unfortunately we live in a time where the middle or middle ground is not a normal place to meet any more. I get it, it’s a very divisive time we live in, but this place should be an escape from all the issues out there. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with what’s going on, in here, I care about hockey talk with some other cool people that have an abnormal love for sport.
I think it’s safe to say that I have the same type of passion for hockey as some do for their politics. But I guess if I went to a political debate and started arguing about Stan F****** Bowman, I’m pretty sure I’d get escorted out. And asked “Who the hell is Stan F****** Bowman? And is he on the left or the right?”.
So it should be looked at the same way here. “Who the hell is Orrin F****** Hatch? And is he even a hockey fan?”.
When I come on here, I get to drown out the mindless banter the wife has going on in the background, and the kids screaming I’m gonna kill you is just more white noise to add to the machine. So I thank you all for allowing this place to exist, whether we agree or not isn’t the thing. Getting away from reality for a bit and chat with hockey fans is!!!
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Post by cudaman on Aug 4, 2020 16:42:48 GMT -6
Vadarx I don’t think you need to apologize to anyone. I thought we both expressed our views without getting nasty or crossing the line.
I’m good with whatever you guys decide, I always enjoyed the interaction with the group you have here,
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Aug 5, 2020 7:03:53 GMT -6
I understand that people saw what happened opening night and were disappointed ,or good with it ,that the NHL joined in with all the other sport's. Everyone has a right to their opinion, But for me, I think we should stay clear of the banter that causes division,on a forum created to bring all of the Blackhawks fans together, to interact with each other, and just enjoy the game. Jmo, if it matters, And thanks again Tman for this board, while I am not the most knowledgeable hockey fan, I really enjoy it here, and want it to survive
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Post by acesandeights on Aug 5, 2020 8:16:49 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking.
I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff.
One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat.
Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards.
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Post by vadarx on Aug 5, 2020 8:29:10 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. a thread in the lounge for political talk is an option. my fear is it will spill over into the hockey talk. I've seen this happen a lot on another board I am on during the lock down and it hasn't gone well. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 5, 2020 9:49:31 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. a thread in the lounge for political talk is an option. my fear is it will spill over into the hockey talk. I've seen this happen a lot on another board I am on during the lock down and it hasn't gone well. One thing to keep close is that we don’t really have to engage in that sort of stuff. I see every thread go off the rails, and for the most part, a lot of posters don’t post much hockey. It doesn’t bother me, I usually avoid it. That’s why I’ve always said that if people met me on here, and a few have, most wouldn’t even believe what me or actually everyone is actually like. I mainly talk hockey, that’s why I’m here. I’ve made some cool friends along the way, and I just take the good with the bad. There’s a lot of things I don’t care for. But I’ve learned long ago that I don’t need to die on every hill. I’m personally not religious, but I respect people’s rights to be. I really don’t care for politicians either, and I probably have the most radical political view. Not social views, but the way governments should be run. I won’t bring my garbage here about my views, cuz it would be garbage to some. I’m just saying I do agree with you, but it becomes a slippery slope. Then others will complain about the mindless sideshow banter that goes on all the time. Last thing I’ll say to give an example. I’ve seen people at places I’ve worked at complain about people going out back for a smoke. And I don’t smoke or care for it. But the smoking got banned and those same people lashed out about people talking too much, or not doing their job better because it’s making the smokers job harder. I would hope that’s not the case here. But it is a possibility!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Aug 5, 2020 10:38:23 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. a thread in the lounge for political talk is an option. my fear is it will spill over into the hockey talk. I've seen this happen a lot on another board I am on during the lock down and it hasn't gone well. Unfortunately that can be a side effect when you have so many different kinds of people with different backgrounds and different viewpoints, and some with rather strong opinions. Seeing lengthy back and forth arguments that keep going on and on reminds me of a cartoon someone posted on an older Hawks board a number of years ago. I never have been able to find it but it was very appropriate for the moment it was posted for. Two posters had been going back and forth so much someone posted a black and white two panel cartoon that showed a stick figure male pounding away on his keyboard, with his wife hollering "Honey, are you coming to bed?". The husband, still at his keyboard, yelled back, "I can't, he's WRONG! |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Aug 5, 2020 12:43:46 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. a thread in the lounge for political talk is an option. my fear is it will spill over into the hockey talk. I've seen this happen a lot on another board I am on during the lock down and it hasn't gone well. Agree...I'm with you...keep the other stuff out of this board, and let it remain a place for everyone to get away from it for a while. It definitely spills over from the politics part of the forum to the sports part, and the politics boards need a ton of moderating, which we just don't have here. |
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Post by creature on Aug 5, 2020 20:03:35 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. To your point of 2 brick walls. It didn't use to be like that but for the last 30+ years it has become that. Why? Because the politicians on both sides have made everything about themselves and how much money and power they can garner. I'll explain very simplistic. Think about the last time Congress passed a bill or any legislation that helped all people? There use to be a thing called compromise but not anymore. These parties moved so far right or left there is no middle road just a chasm. All bills or legislation passed in the last 30+ years has been for a certain group or corporation or banks etc.. I'm a very political person and before I even start discussing politics with another person I ask them what Congressional District they live in. If they can't answer or need to fire up their Google machine to find out I just laugh and as I walk away I tell them to look at their voters registration card it tells you your Congressional,Senatorial,Judicial,schools your precinct etc... Every voter should know these. 😁 |
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Post by BigT on Aug 5, 2020 20:27:24 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. To your point of 2 brick walls. It didn't use to be like that but for the last 30+ years it has become that. Why? Because the politicians on both sides have made everything about themselves and how much money and power they can garner. I'll explain very simplistic. Think about the last time Congress passed a bill or any legislation that helped all people? There use to be a thing called compromise but not anymore. These parties moved so far right or left there is no middle road just a chasm. All bills or legislation passed in the last 30+ years has been for a certain group or corporation or banks etc.. I'm a very political person and before I even start discussing politics with another person I ask them what Congressional District they live in. If they can't answer or need to fire up their Google machine to find out I just laugh and as I walk away I tell them to look at their voters registration card it tells you your Congressional,Senatorial,Judicial,schools your precinct etc... Every voter should know these. 😁 I’m in the “Fighting 69th”!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 20:36:05 GMT -6
vadarx, to your original proposal; I would agree religion and politics don't need to be on a hockey board. We've all heard the old saying about politics and religion. A lot of discussions about politics and religion is like two brick walls talking. I realize this may seem like common sense but I'm sure everyone came on here to talk or read about Blackhawks hockey and hockey related stuff. One thing we can always do when we're on the board is skip over posts whenever a discussion gets off track or evolves into an e-spat. Big-T had an interesting idea in having a thread for non-hockey talk; I've seen that on other boards. To your point of 2 brick walls. It didn't use to be like that but for the last 30+ years it has become that. Why? Because the politicians on both sides have made everything about themselves and how much money and power they can garner. I'll explain very simplistic. Think about the last time Congress passed a bill or any legislation that helped all people? There use to be a thing called compromise but not anymore. These parties moved so far right or left there is no middle road just a chasm. All bills or legislation passed in the last 30+ years has been for a certain group or corporation or banks etc.. I'm a very political person and before I even start discussing politics with another person I ask them what Congressional District they live in. If they can't answer or need to fire up their Google machine to find out I just laugh and as I walk away I tell them to look at their voters registration card it tells you your Congressional,Senatorial,Judicial,schools your precinct etc... Every voter should know these. 😁 From Nipsey Russell: “Pro and con are opposites, that fact is clearly seen. If progress means to move forward, then what does congress mean?” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 1:50:16 GMT -6
Overall I agree with what you are saying, vadarx, this should be a place primarily for Blackhawks conversation and sports as a whole.
With that said, there needs to be a little leeway for when worlds collide which, in this day in age, is inevitable.
The pandemic for instance directly impacted the NHL and the Blackhawks and has sadly become politicized. Matt Dumba's speech and then kneeling for the national anthem prior to Game 1 crosses the lines of both sports and politics.
So yes, while I agree the boards should remain free of it for the most part, I think it needs to be understood that for right now it's not possible to avoid crossing over 100% of the time.
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Post by creature on Aug 7, 2020 7:36:51 GMT -6
To your point of 2 brick walls. It didn't use to be like that but for the last 30+ years it has become that. Why? Because the politicians on both sides have made everything about themselves and how much money and power they can garner. I'll explain very simplistic. Think about the last time Congress passed a bill or any legislation that helped all people? There use to be a thing called compromise but not anymore. These parties moved so far right or left there is no middle road just a chasm. All bills or legislation passed in the last 30+ years has been for a certain group or corporation or banks etc.. I'm a very political person and before I even start discussing politics with another person I ask them what Congressional District they live in. If they can't answer or need to fire up their Google machine to find out I just laugh and as I walk away I tell them to look at their voters registration card it tells you your Congressional,Senatorial,Judicial,schools your precinct etc... Every voter should know these. 😁 I’m in the “Fighting 69th”!!! Although I'm a conservative I've known and work a lot with Congressman Bobby Rush. 3 years ago Crestwood didn't have its own zip code but had 3 from surrounding towns. The importance of a zip code is that all sales taxes generated from businesses goes to that zip code. Crestwood has the largest retail from all 3 towns but 1 had the largest of that and that was Midlothian. So all the tax dollars went to Midlothian then they would send that to Crestwood. Crestwood always wound up short on the money. So The mayor and Rush were fighting the USPS for Crestwood to get their own zip code. The USPS kept fighting them and said they couldn't give a zip code to a small village as they don't have many left to give. When I learned of this I called both and told them that in 1964 the USPS gave the bear den in the Washington nation zoo it's own zip code for Smoky bear. They did not know that nor did that big wig from the USPS when I brought it up at the next hearing. I told him if you can give a zip code to 1 bear in a den in a zoo surely you can give one to a village of 11,000 people. We got the zip code. They were given 1 year as the old zip code and another to settle everything. Now in January I got my auto renewal policy from progressive and it went up. I always get things mailed to me and it kept coming with the old zip code and I always called them to change it. That's another thing about zip codes..insurance rates. Along with fees on utilities and cable. This time when I called and asked to see my rates under the new zip code they told me they refused to accept it. State farm gave me a new quote and they accepted the new zip code. I went from paying $148.00 to $120.00 for the 2 autos and $110.00 on homeowners to $85.00 per month. I called Congressman Rush and met his aide who deals with the USPS because he was in DC at the time. Marcelus was furious because the USPS should not be delivering mail with that old zip code to Crestwood. A week later I got a new renewal letter from progressive this time with the new zip code and lower rates than State Farm. I didn't go back to them but kept both letters with the zip codes less than 2 weeks apart. I dropped copies of them off to Congressman Rush yesterday because he finally is taking action against a slew of companies who are using paperless billing. I told him back in January that people who went paperless are still probably under the old zip code and are getting screwed unless they catch it. Sure enough that's happening and he called me last week to help him on this thus getting him the letters. My neighbor was so taken aback cuz I was talking to Congressman Rush cuz I had it on speaker in the backyard. Rush is in his 90's and speaks slow and slurred so Nick asked if that's my drunk brother? I turned to show him the caller ID and it's showing US Congress. 😂 These are little political things on a local level that a lot of people are so unaware of and cost people a lot of money in taxes and fees if not caught. |
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