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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 17, 2020 11:47:44 GMT -6
I feel sooooo sad for Kane and Toews and Keith. Tears are welling in my eyes just thinking about the agony they must be going through knowing they are locked into a terrible fate with no options of escape and only 6 pence in their pocket. Oh dear ... I think I need to lay down and have a good cry. ya ya, i was thinking that too. they will be fine with their millions.. but i still think they would want to win as well.. you cant just stop being a competitor if your older and wealthier IMO..
just a shitty way to finish out a career, but wouldnt be the first time either..
The situation is what it is. The Hawks tried to piecemeal a team around the old core guys for the past 5 seasons, with the past couple seasons obviously past the point of realistic expectations. They went the "extra yard" to try to win another Cup with 2/7/19/88/50 and it didn't work - and the main reason it didn't work was because the largest chunk of the Salary Cap went to pay T&K. Continuing to chase the Cup doing the same thing that hasn't worked for the past 3 seasons would be irresponsible mismanagement that would hurt the team and fans. The best thing the Hawks can do for T&K is to offer them a chance to be traded to a team where they would have a better possibility to play for a legitimate Cup contender - then let them decide if that's the path they prefer to take rather than staying with the Hawks during the rebuild/retool. They have one open salary retention slot this season and another one opening up after the 2021 season - the Hawks can retain up to 50% which would make trading Kane easy and probably "workable" for Toews. Clear vision and realistic expectations is required for all involved - Stan, T&K and we the fans. We're not winning another Cup in the next few years so the objective has changed from win now to do whatever is possible to win somewhere down the road sooner than later. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 17, 2020 12:03:48 GMT -6
Now let's see how long it takes before Bowman gets Danny fired and takes over as CEO, President, GM, and eventually head coach, maybe even starting goalie Oh no my friend! Danny has the same blood lines and birth right that Arthur,Dollar Bill and Rockwell had,he's there until the team's sold or hell freezes over. This is historically in keeping with the team's patriarchal progression.......Danny got a boy? This also puts SB in quite the cat bird's seat with his new title though and he'll be there until Scotty kicks or the barn goes empty and even then they're just fire JC or shit can the new broad. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 17, 2020 14:27:57 GMT -6
And in all seriousness; no disrespect meant to the lady, but who the f$%# is Jaime Faulkner? What experience in running a professional hockey team in any capacity does she have? i'm no expert in business stuff like this but it seems she has a pretty shiny resume. this article will answer most questions about her history/qualifications. a couple nuggets from the article... In 2015, Faulkner was named one of Sports Business Journal’s "Women Game Changers in Sports", and named to SBJ’s "40 Under 40" list in 2016.
Jaime, who graduated from Baylor University with a degree in economics, has lived in the Chicago area for over 10 years and was a billet mom for Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Jaccob Slavin when he played for the Chicago Steel. Billet families provide housing and support for hockey players who have moved away from home.
Her husband Colin is the Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing and the Chief Commercial Officer for the Cubs.www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/get-know-jaime-faulkner-blackhawks-new-president-business-ops |
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Post by gigecj on Dec 17, 2020 16:12:49 GMT -6
Kinda sucks that Stan gets basically another pass. But, maybe she sees something she doesn’t like in him and casts him aside!!! A pass? He got a god damn promotion. What a job... ruin a dynasty and bury a franchise that had more playoff runs in it and get promoted!!! Wish we all had jobs where we can F up everything as bad as Stan did and get promoted. It's really, really hard to care about this franchise right now. It would be one thing if they were just bad on the ice, but the complete and utter incompetence in the front office and total clown show from Rocky and Stan is embarrassing at this point. Other than wanting to watch Kane do his magic, it's going to be very hard to watch them for a long time. I also think it's become increasingly evident that John McD was fired because he pulled a "get ridda Savard from behind the bench" eruption on StanBo. Rocky didn't like it as he had been completely bamboozled by Stan, so McD was eliminated. McD was kind of a butthole, but he was one for us wanting-to-win-now-and-not-fifty-years-from-now fans. |
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Post by gigecj on Dec 17, 2020 16:15:14 GMT -6
Now let's see how long it takes before Bowman gets Danny fired and takes over as CEO, President, GM, and eventually head coach, maybe even starting goalie Oh no my friend! Danny has the same blood lines and birth right that Arthur,Dollar Bill and Rockwell had,he's there until the team's sold or hell freezes over. This is historically in keeping with the team's patriarchal progression.......Danny got a boy? This also puts SB in quite the cat bird's seat with his new title though and he'll be there until Scotty kicks or the barn goes empty and even then they're just fire JC or shit can the new broad. I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 17:46:22 GMT -6
Ahh great so Stan and only Stan will decide when Stan is done being GM. Holy crap we're in for a decade of hell at least |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 17:50:14 GMT -6
Oh no my friend! Danny has the same blood lines and birth right that Arthur,Dollar Bill and Rockwell had,he's there until the team's sold or hell freezes over. This is historically in keeping with the team's patriarchal progression.......Danny got a boy? This also puts SB in quite the cat bird's seat with his new title though and he'll be there until Scotty kicks or the barn goes empty and even then they're just fire JC or shit can the new broad. I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? This will be the ultimate demise. This franchise thinks they are now fan-boycott proof after all the winning. But I hate to say it, most of the fans jumped on the bandwagon when things were good and they'll jump off very soon. Once the excitement is totally gone and they're a bottom-feeder for a few years and Kane/Toews are either gone or shells of their former selves, the fans will leave again. It's too expensive for a bad product. Blackhawks fans outside of the few thousand true loyalists who were still attending games with my dad and I in the late 90s and early 2000s are not Cubs or Bears fans. They are a new generation that only wants wins and fun times. Good luck selling them a bad product. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 17, 2020 18:09:00 GMT -6
Oh no my friend! Danny has the same blood lines and birth right that Arthur,Dollar Bill and Rockwell had,he's there until the team's sold or hell freezes over. This is historically in keeping with the team's patriarchal progression.......Danny got a boy? This also puts SB in quite the cat bird's seat with his new title though and he'll be there until Scotty kicks or the barn goes empty and even then they're just fire JC or shit can the new broad. I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? Prince Daniel was only 30 back in '07' when the old bastard kicked off so probably just too young at that point but his ascension was an inevitable birth right. Rocky said he's only temporary anyway and he said that in August....... www.secondcityhockey.com/2020/8/17/21372050/chicago-blackhawks-rocky-wirtz-danny-wirtz-interim-president-not-permanently-future-plans-timelineCEO is a big time title for an original six franchise and I'm guessin' it ain't temporary this time. The Hawks are still the same lying,mealy mouth team they've always been,they were just interrupted by a great coach and a handful of great players for a decade......nothing more. Was Rocky a good owner or remarkably fortunate on the timing of inheriting the team? The Arthur and Dollar Bill combo was an embarrassingly low bar to overcome,most of the important players were already on board and putting the home games on TV was the biggest gimme in the world. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 17, 2020 18:25:31 GMT -6
I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? This will be the ultimate demise. This franchise thinks they are now fan-boycott proof after all the winning. But I hate to say it, most of the fans jumped on the bandwagon when things were good and they'll jump off very soon. Once the excitement is totally gone and they're a bottom-feeder for a few years and Kane/Toews are either gone or shells of their former selves, the fans will leave again. It's too expensive for a bad product. Blackhawks fans outside of the few thousand true loyalists who were still attending games with my dad and I in the late 90s and early 2000s are not Cubs or Bears fans. They are a new generation that only wants wins and fun times. Good luck selling them a bad product. It's been more recent than the early 2000's merp,I just came across the 3rd level 1st row ticket stub I bought as a walkup back in November of '07',the Big Buff rookie hat trick game. The place was half empty then and the possibility of that happening again is pretty good once the great players are gone. |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Dec 17, 2020 18:53:02 GMT -6
Oh no my friend! Danny has the same blood lines and birth right that Arthur,Dollar Bill and Rockwell had,he's there until the team's sold or hell freezes over. This is historically in keeping with the team's patriarchal progression.......Danny got a boy? This also puts SB in quite the cat bird's seat with his new title though and he'll be there until Scotty kicks or the barn goes empty and even then they're just fire JC or shit can the new broad. I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? I thought Peter was supposed to take over but didn't want to. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 19:06:17 GMT -6
This will be the ultimate demise. This franchise thinks they are now fan-boycott proof after all the winning. But I hate to say it, most of the fans jumped on the bandwagon when things were good and they'll jump off very soon. Once the excitement is totally gone and they're a bottom-feeder for a few years and Kane/Toews are either gone or shells of their former selves, the fans will leave again. It's too expensive for a bad product. Blackhawks fans outside of the few thousand true loyalists who were still attending games with my dad and I in the late 90s and early 2000s are not Cubs or Bears fans. They are a new generation that only wants wins and fun times. Good luck selling them a bad product. It's been more recent than the early 2000's merp,I just came across the 3rd level 1st row ticket stub I bought as a walkup back in November of '07',the Big Buff rookie hat trick game. The place was half empty then and the possibility of that happening again is pretty good once the great players are gone. Good point. I almost want to say it was maybe 2009 before fans came back. So, the vast majority of the fan base, the bandwagoners, are very young in their hockey life. All they know is winning and exciting play. Once that is gone, they will not stick around. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 17, 2020 19:45:12 GMT -6
Is the sky falling? Maybe - who knows? None of us, really. Can any of us do anything about it other than bitch and whine? No. Okay then.
People have different reactions to things. Railing about stuff seems to help some people in a kind of cathartic way, so there is value in it for them. I'm not one of those people, usually. Shaking my fist at the heavens doesn't usually make me feel better, it usually makes me feel more despondent, more hopeless.
So, I fight against succumbing to the darkness of hopeless anger. I don't always win the battle but I put up a fight.
We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 0:51:56 GMT -6
We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen. I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much. That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 18, 2020 0:58:48 GMT -6
We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen. I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much.That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. that's what keeps me sane. just like in life there's always someone off worse than you. and as a hawks' fan the last decade, just about any other fan out there was worse off than me. and the end always comes too soon, mate. : ) |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 18, 2020 2:02:36 GMT -6
We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen. I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much. That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. I'm in the same age neighborhood as your dad and I'm not exactly the picture of health myself. Not to get too maudlin or philosophical on ya here but none of us are promised tomorrow and for each today, there's one less tomorrow. Being angry about stuff seems like a poor usage of the time you have. We all have stresses and find our own ways to relieve that stress and I think perspective can help a lot. Stepping down from my philosopher's stone and putting my Hawks hat back on - I'm optimistic now that Stan has total control he will do a good job of rebuilding/retooling the Hawks in the macro even though every step along the way may not appear to be a good move. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 18, 2020 2:04:39 GMT -6
I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much.That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. that's what keeps me sane. just like in life there's always someone off worse than you. and as a hawks' fan the last decade, just about any other fan out there was worse off than me. and the end always comes too soon, mate. : ) Ain't that the truth. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 18, 2020 7:59:30 GMT -6
We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen. I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much. That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. I would add my 2 cents, but Illinois taxed that away from me. I also was hit with that too about what your dad said. My dad passed away in April 2010 at 81 so he was only able to see the Hawks win the 1st series and did not get to see the cup win. I still to this day actually get angry when I think about that. And then I tear up. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 18, 2020 8:20:59 GMT -6
The world ain't comin' to an end,just the chance of any further hockey success for the team from Chicago.
Accepting whatever shit this franchise has dealt out was how I lived my hockey fandom for decades before a great HC and a half dozen great players showed up and I'm accepting no more. I know as well as ANYBODY how bad it was and how good it got but the team's five years removed from a cup and current management has the team in an awful position to do anything about it.
Boston,LA and many other good teams made FO changes after their downturns and many better GM's than ours got the boot but only here in the shadow of Bob Pulford can a tragic failure like SB prosper and actually see a promotion.
YEAH.......we won our cups and I'll always appreciate the men on and behind the bench who did so but returning to the nepotism and mismanagement the franchise was know for isn't very appealing to me as it seems to be for others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 9:16:44 GMT -6
I think it would help if fans just stopped attending games even insofar as ticket sales are concerned. I still think Rocky cares more than his dad in that regard. Or, is Rocky effectively "out" of the picture? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not true that when WWW died, Danny was supposed to take over, but fans (and maybe Rocky too) feared that Danny was a chip off the old block? I thought Peter was supposed to take over but didn't want to. You are correct |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 9:31:37 GMT -6
It's been more recent than the early 2000's merp,I just came across the 3rd level 1st row ticket stub I bought as a walkup back in November of '07',the Big Buff rookie hat trick game. The place was half empty then and the possibility of that happening again is pretty good once the great players are gone. Good point. I almost want to say it was maybe 2009 before fans came back. So, the vast majority of the fan base, the bandwagoners, are very young in their hockey life. All they know is winning and exciting play. Once that is gone, they will not stick around. I can confirm when the fans came back, as I bought my season tickets for the 2008/09 season. But my reasoning had nothing to do with bandwagoning. I had boycotted the Hawks when they fired Pat Foley. All the crap they pulled with bad teams, trading quality guys because they didn't want to pay them I dealt with, but when they fired the play by play announcer from what I have heard was because of attendance that was the last straw. So for 2 years I didn't watch a single Hawks game, and never heard Kelly announce a single game.
Then Bill died, and Rocky took over and decided all Hawks games should be televised. I really didn't know much about the team, but even that didn't sway me back to watching. I then got a letter from the Hawks, which seemed quite a desperate reach at the time. I had season tickets for 1 year in the mid 1980's at the Stadium. 20 years later I get a letter asking me to renew. So I reached out to them and told them I liked the direction the team was heading with televising all games (still didn't know much about the actual players) but unless they brought Pat Foley back I could not bring myself to watch them. This was in March of 2008. During this conversation, the rep knew but could not tell me that Foley would be coming back, but since he was under contract to the Chicago Wolves for the remainder of that season, they could not announce anything. I told the rep then, that if Foley were brought back, I'd buy season tickets. The one thing I did know was they were drawing less then 5,000 per game.
Then June came, and the press conference to announce Foley's return. During the press conference, I called the sales rep, who said he planned on calling me but I beat him to it. I purchased my 2 seats, and I remember him telling me the season ticket base was up to 14,000, which I didn't believe. But a month or so later, the Winter Classic at Wrigley Field was announced and the sellout streak began.
I actually had tears in my eyes the first game listening to Foley again, a road game against the New York Rangers. And before the first home game, I saw Foley in the parking lot before the game and told him I had boycotted because of his firing, and bought season tickets during the press conference bringing him back. His response, and I quote: NO SHIT, THAT'S COOL!
Anyways to make a short story long.....it was the 2008/09 season that the UC was full. And as for the current sell out streak, I have a friend who still has season tickets, and he and I both say BS with all the empty seats the last few seasons (pre pandemic). Maybe it's because the seats were already sold, but the empty seats began to scream volumes that soon, very soon, the UC will be back to around 5,000, if that due to the ridiculous prices for tickets now. I'd pay $15 a seat like I did in 2008, but there's no way in hell I'd pay $66 for those same seats to watch a crap team run by a crap GM who is now in charge of firing the GM if things don't work out.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 18, 2020 10:36:05 GMT -6
Do you sometimes look at something and wonder how in the world did that happen? You search for some rationalization or misstep or circumstance that could have happened that caused something that otherwise would be totally irrational to happen. You look at the people involved and conclude they appear to be intelligent and rational in every way except for this irrational thing they've done. You question yourself - maybe you've misjudged something - either the person or the thing they've done ... but you know that isn't true, or at least it isn't obvious. So what gives?
The decision by Danny/Rocky to make Stan the president of hockey operations and keep him on as GM seems to be irrational to many of my fellow Hawk fans, or at least an extremely poor decision. So what gives?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 14:01:37 GMT -6
I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much. That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. I would add my 2 cents, but Illinois taxed that away from me. I also was hit with that too about what your dad said. My dad passed away in April 2010 at 81 so he was only able to see the Hawks win the 1st series and did not get to see the cup win. I still to this day actually get angry when I think about that. And then I tear up.Sorry to hear that, I would have the exact same reaction |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 18, 2020 14:22:27 GMT -6
Is this a little light at the end of the tunnel or just grist for the mill?
@byscottpowers
Stan Bowman said he wants to see out his vision now, but he could possibly look into hiring a general manager underneath him in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 15:17:51 GMT -6
Is this a little light at the end of the tunnel or just grist for the mill? @byscottpowers Stan Bowman said he wants to see out his vision now, but he could possibly look into hiring a general manager underneath him in the future. Don't care....as long as Bowman is part of the organization I am done following the Hawks. Even if they win a Cup in my lifetime, as long as Bowman is involved I don't care. I'll continue to come on here because I feel like it's part of a family and I enjoy reading and posting on here. But as far as the Hawks go, I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 18:51:11 GMT -6
Is this a little light at the end of the tunnel or just grist for the mill? @byscottpowers Stan Bowman said he wants to see out his vision now, but he could possibly look into hiring a general manager underneath him in the future. I guess it leaves open the possibility that he'll eventually realize the errors in his ways. But I do have 3 questions/issues I'd like answered: 1) Has he not had enough time to rebuild this roster in his vision and have we not had enough evidence of him failing to do so or his vision not being successful? 2) If he is admitting that his vision is only now coming into focus then is it safe to admit that the Cup teams were not his vision and much more the vision of Tallon? And, if so, can we all shift more of the credit for at least 2 of the Cups, if not all 3, to Tallon and away from Stan? 3) Who in the franchise would be responsible for removing Stan entirely down the road? Only one of the Wirtz family? I ask because assuming his vision does fail spectacularly, it is going to start rubbing a lot more people the wrong way that he failed upwards into president role and got to keep that nice, well-paying job and he, himself, hire his own predecessor at GM. Fans also won't trust that Bowman is not involved in roster decisions so long as his presence as president remains, regardless of who the new GM is. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 18, 2020 23:46:30 GMT -6
Is this a little light at the end of the tunnel or just grist for the mill? @byscottpowers Stan Bowman said he wants to see out his vision now, but he could possibly look into hiring a general manager underneath him in the future. He'd probably just hire another yes-man like Colliton and stick his face in all deals made. |
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Post by acesandeights on Dec 19, 2020 8:54:24 GMT -6
I like to vent as many here remember from the old boards. Sometimes I say stuff I regret but it's how I relieve my stress. The specific quoted part of your post hits me most though. My 70-year-old father said a very similar thing tonight. That "maybe" he'll live to see another Cup (though he doubts it due to health issues) and that we're lucky to have witnessed such a great time for the franchise we love so much. That's the crux of what really sucks and makes me/us angry. That we believe in our hearts they had more in them. If not another Cup win maybe another 1, 2, 3 (?) deep runs. So it does really feel like the end came too soon and with a giant thud. Anyway just my 2 cents. As is the case with everything in the world, all people handle things differently. I'm in the same age neighborhood as your dad and I'm not exactly the picture of health myself. Not to get too maudlin or philosophical on ya here but none of us are promised tomorrow and for each today, there's one less tomorrow. Being angry about stuff seems like a poor usage of the time you have. We all have stresses and find our own ways to relieve that stress and I think perspective can help a lot. Stepping down from my philosopher's stone and putting my Hawks hat back on - I'm optimistic now that Stan has total control he will do a good job of rebuilding/retooling the Hawks in the macro even though every step along the way may not appear to be a good move.You touch on how I look at it. I look at things probably the same way I think most Hawk fans would and that is looking at the very bottom line. To me, the bottom line is "Will these front office changes improve the on ice product?" Isn't that really what fans focus on? It may look good on paper but I really don't care who does what in the FO or who has control of this area or that area; it just needs to improve what we see on the ice. Will these changes do that? This is the other part of the bottom line: The team isn't going to improve very much until they get some better players and build their talent level. Improvement from young guys can help but they still need a few higher level players/prospects. Will this happen since we still have the same people on the Hockey side? We'll have to hope it does. I guess time will tell. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 21, 2020 13:11:02 GMT -6
Is the sky falling? Maybe - who knows? None of us, really. Can any of us do anything about it other than bitch and whine? No. Okay then. People have different reactions to things. Railing about stuff seems to help some people in a kind of cathartic way, so there is value in it for them. I'm not one of those people, usually. Shaking my fist at the heavens doesn't usually make me feel better, it usually makes me feel more despondent, more hopeless. So, I fight against succumbing to the darkness of hopeless anger. I don't always win the battle but I put up a fight. We've had a wonderful run with our beloved Hawks. It's been more that I hoped for. It's over. Maybe I'll live long enough to see another Cup winner. Maybe I won't. There's nothing I can do about it. Getting angry about it won't help me deal with the reality of it, in fact it will make things worse for me and for the things in my life that matter more to me than my love for the Hawks - I can't let that happen. Yes. Hit them in the wallet. If the sellout streak ends and the 'hawks become the mid-2000s 'hawks in terms of attendance, that might force the brass' hand. After all, if the corporations can't even give away the ST they bought because the 'hawks are not even the cold ticket in town, that might get their attention. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 26, 2020 11:58:11 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:19:03 GMT -6
I can see how this will work out.....a couple of years from now all 3 will be fired, and Stan will say we tried 3 guys to do what I was able to do myself and they couldn't handle it like I did. So I'll be taking full control of the GM responsibilities again......I'd also like to announce in our continued effort to build with youth, we signed 51 year old Jaromir Jagr to a multi year contract with a full nmc. |
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