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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 16:57:17 GMT -6
That's right, folks.
No. 1 C Dylan Strome signs 2-year, $6 million contract extension.
That is pretty much all ya need to know about how bad this season is going to be.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jan 3, 2021 21:07:45 GMT -6
$3M x 2years is a fair deal for Strome and the Hawks. As a comparison, Kubalik scored 0.67ppg and Strome scored 0.65ppg, after scoring 0.83ppg the year before. Kubalik wasn't any better defensively than Strome was. Kubalik's deal is $3.7M x 2years. Despite the deficiencies in Strome's game - he is an NHL caliber offensive player and paying him $3M on a short term deal is right about where it should be, if not a slightly better deal for the Hawks than from Strome's perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 21:09:17 GMT -6
That's right, folks. No. 1 C Dylan Strome signs 2-year, $6 million contract extension. That is pretty much all ya need to know about how bad this season is going to be. That's not all we need to know.
Such as they are now just $1,213,687 under the cap with this impressive roster......The cap guru does it again! And that's just 21 roster spots.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 21:13:41 GMT -6
$3M x 2years is a fair deal for Strome and the Hawks. As a comparison, Kubalik scored 0.67ppg and Strome scored 0.65ppg, after scoring 0.83ppg the year before. Kubalik wasn't any better defensively than Strome was. Kubalik's deal is $3.7M x 2years. Despite the deficiencies in Strome's game - he is an NHL caliber offensive player and paying him $3M on a short term deal is right about where it should be, if not a slightly better deal for the Hawks than from Strome's perspective. In fairness, Kubalik was a rookie. And came out of nowhere. Strome had 106 games under his belt entering last season and is a former No. 3 overall pick. One guy has already done more in his career than anyone could have imagined. The other has been a massive disappointment. (yes, I acknowledge there is plenty of time left for the roles to completely reverse themselves) |
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Post by Tater on Jan 4, 2021 0:24:04 GMT -6
In fairness, Kubalik was a rookie. And came out of nowhere.I thought he came out of LA? 
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 4, 2021 6:17:24 GMT -6
$3M x 2years is a fair deal for Strome and the Hawks. As a comparison, Kubalik scored 0.67ppg and Strome scored 0.65ppg, after scoring 0.83ppg the year before. Kubalik wasn't any better defensively than Strome was. Kubalik's deal is $3.7M x 2years. Despite the deficiencies in Strome's game - he is an NHL caliber offensive player and paying him $3M on a short term deal is right about where it should be, if not a slightly better deal for the Hawks than from Strome's perspective. In fairness, Kubalik was a rookie. And came out of nowhere. Strome had 106 games under his belt entering last season and is a former No. 3 overall pick. One guy has already done more in his career than anyone could have imagined. The other has been a massive disappointment. (yes, I acknowledge there is plenty of time left for the roles to completely reverse themselves) kubalik definitely "came out of nowhere". he was 2nd in the league in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 1.61. he trailed only ovechkin who had 1.65. in the 2nd half of his season (final 34 games) when he was finally paired with better linemates, his even strength goals per 60 minutes rose to 2.04, again only trailing ovi's 2.35. on the hawks across the full season, his 1.61 e/s goals/60 led the team while saad's 1.17 was second. in kub's final 34 games his 2.04 e/s goals per 60 again led the team with toews' 1.03 a distant second. nearly double. myself, i think kubs won't have anything close to a sophomore jinx. he scored his goal in so many different ways and the majority (22 of 30) were even strength. i think this will turn out to be a great contract. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 4, 2021 7:10:26 GMT -6
In fairness, Kubalik was a rookie. And came out of nowhere. Strome had 106 games under his belt entering last season and is a former No. 3 overall pick. One guy has already done more in his career than anyone could have imagined. The other has been a massive disappointment. (yes, I acknowledge there is plenty of time left for the roles to completely reverse themselves) kubalik definitely "came out of nowhere". he was 2nd in the league in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 1.61. he trailed only ovechkin who had 1.65. in the 2nd half of his season (final 34 games) when he was finally paired with better linemates, his even strength goals per 60 minutes rose to 2.04, again only trailing ovi's 2.35. on the hawks across the full season, his 1.61 e/s goals/60 led the team while saad's 1.17 was second. in kub's final 34 games his 2.04 e/s goals per 60 again led the team with toews' 1.03 a distant second. nearly double. myself, i think kubs won't have anything close to a sophomore jinx. he scored his goal in so many different ways and the majority (22 of 30) were even strength. i think this will turn out to be a great contract. My only worry about both Kubalik and to a great extent Strome is that Toews isn’t here. Toews really helped out Kubalik get to where he is. Will he be as effective without him? Will Strome be able to handle #1 duties? Personally, I would put Soderberg out there with Kane and Kubalik. Then I’d roll Strome and Dcat on the 2nd. We’ll see soon enough. Captain Carnival behind the bench have some interesting things to do here, and there’s really not much youth to groom this year!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 4, 2021 8:21:36 GMT -6
kubalik definitely "came out of nowhere". he was 2nd in the league in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 1.61. he trailed only ovechkin who had 1.65. in the 2nd half of his season (final 34 games) when he was finally paired with better linemates, his even strength goals per 60 minutes rose to 2.04, again only trailing ovi's 2.35. on the hawks across the full season, his 1.61 e/s goals/60 led the team while saad's 1.17 was second. in kub's final 34 games his 2.04 e/s goals per 60 again led the team with toews' 1.03 a distant second. nearly double. myself, i think kubs won't have anything close to a sophomore jinx. he scored his goal in so many different ways and the majority (22 of 30) were even strength. i think this will turn out to be a great contract. My only worry about both Kubalik and to a great extent Strome is that Toews isn’t here. Toews really helped out Kubalik get to where he is. Will he be as effective without him? Will Strome be able to handle #1 duties? Personally, I would put Soderberg out there with Kane and Kubalik. Then I’d roll Strome and Dcat on the 2nd. We’ll see soon enough. Captain Carnival behind the bench have some interesting things to do here, and there’s really not much youth to groom this year!!! Kubalik earned his time with Toews because he was scoring on the 3rd line and he produced with who ever he played with, 22 of 30 goals even strength suggests that. And as of now, those are the top 2 lines I'd roll with, Strome and Debrincat should be together and Kane with Kubalik and a good 2way center like Soderberg. But I wouldn't rule out Kurashev or Suter playing with Kane and Kubs. So a young rookie, older rookie, or older vet has a chance at the top6 with Toews and Dach out. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 4, 2021 8:48:46 GMT -6
That's right, folks. No. 1 C Dylan Strome signs 2-year, $6 million contract extension. That is pretty much all ya need to know about how bad this season is going to be. That's not all we need to know.
Such as they are now just $1,213,687 under the cap with this impressive roster......The cap guru does it again! And that's just 21 roster spots.
You still got Toews 10.5 and Dachs .925 and most likely Shaw will get hurt within a week and thats another 3.9 will be added back to the cap space. And that is 24 roster spots, not 21. When you subtract the 3 LTIR guys then you are at 21 with 15+ mil in cap space. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 4, 2021 9:36:19 GMT -6
Guess I appreciate Strome more than most and that's okay,I gotta be positive about something!LOL!
I like the re-do,I woulda liked 2.5M better but now the team has two years to assess their 23yro center........center's a tough position and some kids take a few years to figure it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 13:11:41 GMT -6
SCREWED UP...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 13:12:54 GMT -6
In fairness, Kubalik was a rookie. And came out of nowhere. Strome had 106 games under his belt entering last season and is a former No. 3 overall pick. One guy has already done more in his career than anyone could have imagined. The other has been a massive disappointment. (yes, I acknowledge there is plenty of time left for the roles to completely reverse themselves) kubalik definitely "came out of nowhere". he was 2nd in the league in even strength goals per 60 minutes at 1.61. he trailed only ovechkin who had 1.65. in the 2nd half of his season (final 34 games) when he was finally paired with better linemates, his even strength goals per 60 minutes rose to 2.04, again only trailing ovi's 2.35. on the hawks across the full season, his 1.61 e/s goals/60 led the team while saad's 1.17 was second. in kub's final 34 games his 2.04 e/s goals per 60 again led the team with toews' 1.03 a distant second. nearly double. myself, i think kubs won't have anything close to a sophomore jinx. he scored his goal in so many different ways and the majority (22 of 30) were even strength. i think this will turn out to be a great contract. Yep, great post. I suppose getting him from LA for a 5th round draft pick is one move Stan deserves some credit for... at least for now. Don't think anyone expected what he has done already. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 4, 2021 21:15:42 GMT -6
Strome was centering Debrincat and Kane today 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 22:53:59 GMT -6
Strome was centering Debrincat and Kane today 👍 That's the 1st line the 2nd line is Shaw/Soderberg/Kubalik Might be the worst top-6 in NHL history Hell I think when the Blackhawks had Amonte/Zhamnov/Daze in the mid 90s it was better |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 5, 2021 8:54:49 GMT -6
My only worry about both Kubalik and to a great extent Strome is that Toews isn’t here. Toews really helped out Kubalik get to where he is. Will he be as effective without him? Will Strome be able to handle #1 duties? Personally, I would put Soderberg out there with Kane and Kubalik. Then I’d roll Strome and Dcat on the 2nd. We’ll see soon enough. Captain Carnival behind the bench have some interesting things to do here, and there’s really not much youth to groom this year!!! Kubalik earned his time with Toews because he was scoring on the 3rd line and he produced with who ever he played with, 22 of 30 goals even strength suggests that. And as of now, those are the top 2 lines I'd roll with, Strome and Debrincat should be together and Kane with Kubalik and a good 2way center like Soderberg. But I wouldn't rule out Kurashev or Suter playing with Kane and Kubs. So a young rookie, older rookie, or older vet has a chance at the top6 with Toews and Dach out. Kubalik had six tallies when he joined JT's line back in early December and JT did set him up a LOT but his game should work pretty well with any decent set up man. I don't need to see 30 plus from Kubalik to appreciate him though,his work before his promotion to JT's line did earn it and he made the MOST of it too. His all around game was good and should get even better,his ability to find scoring areas is near elite and we know he has a NHL shot.....he'll still miss JT a bit. Playing Kubalik with Kane is probably something we'll see and we should see it,great set up man and a great sniper should work well. Maybe Kubs doesn't miss a beat with Kane instead of JT but snipers need set ups and Kane's got that covered. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 5, 2021 9:20:26 GMT -6
I like this one. It's not too expensive and the term is good. It's basically a "put your cap hit where your mouth is" type of deal.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 3, 2021 7:25:55 GMT -6
Guess I appreciate Strome more than most and that's okay,I gotta be positive about something!LOL! I like the re-do,I woulda liked 2.5M better but now the team has two years to assess their 23yro center........center's a tough position and some kids take a few years to figure it out. I like the re-do more after 11 games,Strome looks faster on two good wheels and his chemistry with D-Cat is still there. If Dach and JT are ready to go next year,the team will have REAL center depth and if Strome is replaceable at that point,1 year @3m will be a nice trade piece. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 12:19:44 GMT -6
^yes, but is it just me or is he not winning faceoffs?
I think last night he was around 33% at the dot
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 3, 2021 13:48:27 GMT -6
^yes, but is it just me or is he not winning faceoffs? I think last night he was around 33% at the dot He's about 48.5% at the dot for the year. Not great, but not real terrible either. |
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Post by gigecj on Feb 3, 2021 14:27:10 GMT -6
Guys,
I've watched about a total of five periods this season of the beloved.
Um, where are we with this Zadorov/Saad trade?
Is this yet another debacle?
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Post by vonbeck on Feb 3, 2021 15:54:00 GMT -6
Guys, I've watched about a total of five periods this season of the beloved. Um, where are we with this Zadorov/Saad trade? Is this yet another debacle? Not a debacle in my opinion. We certainly needed a big body out there and Zadorov fits that bill, however he has a tendency to check himself out of the play. Brandon Saad is Brandon Saad a solid player anywhere and I'd want him on my team. I believe he's got about 7 or 8 points this year. Once again in my opinion I'm cool with the trade. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 3, 2021 16:08:31 GMT -6
Guys, I've watched about a total of five periods this season of the beloved. Um, where are we with this Zadorov/Saad trade? Is this yet another debacle? To my simple, untrained eye Zadorov appears to be a very one-dimensional player: he hits people hard, and that's about it. Not only he has provided no scoring whatsoever, but his passing seems to be of marginal quality. Having said that, his physical element is important. Saad has 5g + 3a, which would tie him for 2nd in scoring on the Hawks. I would say that the advantage goes to the Av\s, but not yuuugely. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 3, 2021 16:10:42 GMT -6
Guys, I've watched about a total of five periods this season of the beloved. Um, where are we with this Zadorov/Saad trade? Is this yet another debacle? Vonbeckster summed it up pretty good. I feel we should have gotten a bit more for that trade. We retained money, and that should count for something. Zadorov is a good 5-6 guy. Definitely an NHL player. Not much in the way of offensive skills. Defensively he does tend to take himself out of the play looking for the big hit. So putting him with a rookie is kinda stupid. However, I feel if the Hawks were gonna retain salary. Why not retain half, Give them Mitchell and we take Byram? I know that’s a tough trade for Colorado to make, but they dropped a guy on us they had zero use for moving forward. It was a salary dump for them. Also they got the Hawks to retain 1 million. Seems very idiotic to me to even retain anything. Saad has much greater value than Zadorov. Much greater and we gave them Gilbert too. Anyways, it’s a better deal than most of Stans deals. But in hockey terms, It’s a loss still!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 3, 2021 18:04:03 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Feb 4, 2021 8:37:18 GMT -6
They got the better player. No arguing there. The bigger problem is retaining salary. I believe Z is at 3.6 or something. With salary retained is more like 4.6, and Saad is at 5. So the money is pretty equal. I’d have to think we could’ve gotten a lot more for him. If not, keep him. Sakic has a horrible reputation on absolutely fleecing people in trades. Stan could’ve used that to his advantage. Sakic has to make a run here soon. Or he won’t be there. He’s been there since May 10 2013. So he’s got almost 8 years there and no results. It even a conference finals. Now. Stan could of gotten at a minimal an Alex Newhook outta there. Ya maybe we give up a bit better of a prospect. Like a Soderlund or something. But I would do that. Plain and simple, Sakic did this because he had another Dman in waiting with Byram, he had to get him in there. No way Byram wasn’t gonna play this year. The Jrs are shut down, AHL is shut down. Stan had Sakic bent over a saw horse and ended up getting it instead. At least this time, Stan got an actual NHL player. Not the same quality as Saad, but an NHL player. Not saying we should be complacent and accept mediocrity. Anyways. Let’s say Saad was here, we kept Maatta, Dach was never loaned, and Toews would be back at some point or would be here. Is adding more in Kurashev, the Mark bros and a couple other kids a step in the right direction? With the way they’re playing, I’d have to think the missing would massively help and even if they went with Lankinen, maybe the team would only be a year away from being a decent playoff team? It just seems that every time Stan does something half decent, he makes you wonder if it could be much better? It was Saad’s contract year and you could guarantee he was gonna have one hell of a year. And worse case, trade him at the TDL along with a bunch others like Maatta, DeHaan etc!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2021 9:05:10 GMT -6
They got the better player. No arguing there. The bigger problem is retaining salary. I believe Z is at 3.6 or something. With salary retained is more like 4.6, and Saad is at 5. So the money is pretty equal. I’d have to think we could’ve gotten a lot more for him. If not, keep him. Sakic has a horrible reputation on absolutely fleecing people in trades. Stan could’ve used that to his advantage. Sakic has to make a run here soon. Or he won’t be there. He’s been there since May 10 2013. So he’s got almost 8 years there and no results. It even a conference finals. Now. Stan could of gotten at a minimal an Alex Newhook outta there. Ya maybe we give up a bit better of a prospect. Like a Soderlund or something. But I would do that. Plain and simple, Sakic did this because he had another Dman in waiting with Byram, he had to get him in there. No way Byram wasn’t gonna play this year. The Jrs are shut down, AHL is shut down. Stan had Sakic bent over a saw horse and ended up getting it instead. At least this time, Stan got an actual NHL player. Not the same quality as Saad, but an NHL player. Not saying we should be complacent and accept mediocrity. Anyways. Let’s say Saad was here, we kept Maatta, Dach was never loaned, and Toews would be back at some point or would be here. Is adding more in Kurashev, the Mark bros and a couple other kids a step in the right direction? With the way they’re playing, I’d have to think the missing would massively help and even if they went with Lankinen, maybe the team would only be a year away from being a decent playoff team? It just seems that every time Stan does something half decent, he makes you wonder if it could be much better? It was Saad’s contract year and you could guarantee he was gonna have one hell of a year. And worse case, trade him at the TDL along with a bunch others like Maatta, DeHaan etc!!! Zadorov'a as physical as advertised and that's good for the youngsters since they're not that big and he's also mediocre as advertised but I can live with the tradeoff. Maybe SB should have demanded a 2nd if he was retaining a mil.......or even a 3rd since the Avs don't have a 2nd for the next two years. If money was going to be retained with Maata,why waste one of three 'salary retained' spots for a measly 750K.......retain a million and a half and get one of the Kings two 2nds.......just spitballin' I still maintain de HAAN shoulda been bought out,his play's acceptable but another full year left @4.55M will make moving him REAL tough with a flat cap and Carlsson needs to be in there every night. I doubt Seabs will go along with LTIR if he feels ready and the team Doc has to go along too and I doubt the league buys a 'tweaked back' for LTIR. Do you or anyone else know how long a player can stay on regular IR like Seabs and Smith are on.....I thought it used to be ten games but I guess not since we're at 11. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 4, 2021 9:17:19 GMT -6
My best guess is Seabs back will end up being “much worse” than advertised. So, I believe the Hawks probably took him off of the IR for a day, he got on the ice and they’ll say he re-aggravated it and he’s on another 10 games. He can also be off of it and not actually play. They probably didn’t announce it. My best guess is Seabs is done. I don’t really buy he’s got a back issue. Right before camp he was said to be in great shape and he even said he’s fully recovered and feels good. So we’ll see. I think Seabs will be LTIR’d until that deal runs out!!!
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2021 9:52:50 GMT -6
My best guess is Seabs back will end up being “much worse” than advertised. So, I believe the Hawks probably took him off of the IR for a day, he got on the ice and they’ll say he re-aggravated it and he’s on another 10 games. He can also be off of it and not actually play. They probably didn’t announce it. My best guess is Seabs is done. I don’t really buy he’s got a back issue. Right before camp he was said to be in great shape and he even said he’s fully recovered and feels good. So we’ll see. I think Seabs will be LTIR’d until that deal runs out!!! But doesn't the player.team doctor and the league have to go along? Seabs said he wasn't 100% back in late July when he opted out but he said he was close and he's had five months to rehab and condition since.......I bet he wants to play at some point and if he wants to play LTIR will be a problem. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 4, 2021 10:03:52 GMT -6
My best guess is Seabs back will end up being “much worse” than advertised. So, I believe the Hawks probably took him off of the IR for a day, he got on the ice and they’ll say he re-aggravated it and he’s on another 10 games. He can also be off of it and not actually play. They probably didn’t announce it. My best guess is Seabs is done. I don’t really buy he’s got a back issue. Right before camp he was said to be in great shape and he even said he’s fully recovered and feels good. So we’ll see. I think Seabs will be LTIR’d until that deal runs out!!! But doesn't the player.team doctor and the league have to go along? Seabs said he wasn't 100% back in late July when he opted out but he said he was close and he's had five months to rehab and condition since.......I bet he wants to play at some point and if he wants to play LTIR will be a problem. It could be. I just feel that the Hawks want him to stay quiet and he’s a good soldier and he is. Not many players speak out about stuff like this. They’re telling him he’s not going hard enough, or he’s not keeping up etc. Then he probably has a bit of a back pain, the Hawks are using that as a crutch, and Seabs has to go along with it. Technically Seabs violated his contract when he didn’t say anything about his past injuries. Maybe they’re reminding him of that? And they could literally terminate it. There’s a lot of moving pieces here. So we have let it play out. My guess is he’s probably done...... at least here!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2021 10:44:43 GMT -6
But doesn't the player.team doctor and the league have to go along? Seabs said he wasn't 100% back in late July when he opted out but he said he was close and he's had five months to rehab and condition since.......I bet he wants to play at some point and if he wants to play LTIR will be a problem. It could be. I just feel that the Hawks want him to stay quiet and he’s a good soldier and he is. Not many players speak out about stuff like this. They’re telling him he’s not going hard enough, or he’s not keeping up etc. Then he probably has a bit of a back pain, the Hawks are using that as a crutch, and Seabs has to go along with it. Technically Seabs violated his contract when he didn’t say anything about his past injuries. Maybe they’re reminding him of that? And they could literally terminate it. There’s a lot of moving pieces here. So we have let it play out. My guess is he’s probably done...... at least here!!! Do we know for sure that Seabs hid his injuries from the team or is that speculation? And why would the league go along with LTIR? Can the team Doctor just lie about injuries and how would the league see that? |
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