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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 23, 2021 8:17:19 GMT -6
In the past two games the Hawks gave up 23 and 29 shots, which is more than respectable. In both losses they had substandard goaltending. For a spell their goaltending was great, but they were giving up a ton of shots. Now the goaltending is what everyone feared it would be at the beginning of the season. The last 2 games is what you go by then go right to goaltending? Defense is not on these defensemen's minds they now believe they are forwards and start pinching in in the O zone as soon as the first puck drop. When they do that it's small weak forwards who cover the points. It's not just 1 D man pinching in but many times both and everybody is on the perimeter trying to complete cross ice passes that fail miserably and it's off to the races for the opponent with a breakaway or odd man rush. Hell I think our defensemen forgot how to skate backwards since they are always skating forwards trying to catch up to those odd man rushes. I even see Boqvist more around the opponents net pinching in than around his own net in his own zone which is where he should be. The defense needs to get back to playing defense the way defense is played in the NHL not some fantasy league where defense can consist of a bunch of poke checking pansies that can pinch in to gather points. Would be nice to have the players we had during the good years. Keith with Seabs. Keith would pinch and Seabs was backing him up. Oduya with Hjammer, Oduya pinch and Hjammer back him up. Unfortunately when all you got is O-minded defensemen you can't pair Keith with Boqvist. Boqvist needs a stellar stay home D-man. Same goes for Mitchell and Beaudin. They need a stay home guy. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 23, 2021 8:30:56 GMT -6
Good to be back. Was a screwed up year last year because of Covid and I wasn't in a very good mood to get on boards because the rants wouldn't be good. Had to do with my roof that was damaged by a couple of storms but they couldn't put it on due to not being able to get building permits because everything was closed. They finally came out to tarp it for winter but with all the snow melting got under them and screwed up the ceilings and on and on. Finally got it up last week but now a lot of interior repair. Great to see ya Creatch and all that work'll keep ya out of trouble. Good luck and good health to you and your family! Carlsson seems to have a defense first approach but he's out of luck because of it and he'll turn 24 this summer.....he could get stale and disinterested not playing. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 23, 2021 8:40:37 GMT -6
The last 2 games is what you go by then go right to goaltending? Defense is not on these defensemen's minds they now believe they are forwards and start pinching in in the O zone as soon as the first puck drop. When they do that it's small weak forwards who cover the points. It's not just 1 D man pinching in but many times both and everybody is on the perimeter trying to complete cross ice passes that fail miserably and it's off to the races for the opponent with a breakaway or odd man rush. Hell I think our defensemen forgot how to skate backwards since they are always skating forwards trying to catch up to those odd man rushes. I even see Boqvist more around the opponents net pinching in than around his own net in his own zone which is where he should be. The defense needs to get back to playing defense the way defense is played in the NHL not some fantasy league where defense can consist of a bunch of poke checking pansies that can pinch in to gather points. Would be nice to have the players we had during the good years. Keith with Seabs. Keith would pinch and Seabs was backing him up. Oduya with Hjammer, Oduya pinch and Hjammer back him up. Unfortunately when all you got is O-minded defensemen you can't pair Keith with Boqvist. Boqvist needs a stellar stay home D-man. Same goes for Mitchell and Beaudin. They need a stay home guy. To be fair Beaudin seems to have decent D fundamentals. While it would set his O-game back I'd trust him covering the backend more the Boqvist or Mitchell. Of all our young D he's the one who might be on a Hjammer-track. I know we're not going to get another Keith, and probably not another Hjammer for awhile, but with the team's makeup we need some reliable, stay-at-home guys who don't go further than their abilities on the attack. Right now that's...Murphy. Everyone else seems to get caught up ice. While I can understand it if it's Keith due to his age, even though he's been good this year, Boqvist or Mitchell because they are so green they need mowing, when Zaddy or DeHaan get caught up ice or get beat that pisses me off. These were supposed to be the stay-at-home guys. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 23, 2021 8:44:31 GMT -6
Would be nice to have the players we had during the good years. Keith with Seabs. Keith would pinch and Seabs was backing him up. Oduya with Hjammer, Oduya pinch and Hjammer back him up. Unfortunately when all you got is O-minded defensemen you can't pair Keith with Boqvist. Boqvist needs a stellar stay home D-man. Same goes for Mitchell and Beaudin. They need a stay home guy. To be fair Beaudin seems to have decent D fundamentals. While it would set his O-game back I'd trust him covering the backend more the Boqvist or Mitchell. Of all our young D he's the one who might be on a Hjammer-track. I know we're not going to get another Keith, and probably not another Hjammer for awhile, but with the team's makeup we need some reliable, stay-at-home guys who don't go further than their abilities on the attack. Right now that's...Murphy. Everyone else seems to get caught up ice. While I can understand it if it's Keith due to his age, even though he's been good this year, Boqvist or Mitchell because they are so green they need mowing, when Zaddy or DeHaan get caught up ice or get beat that pisses me off. These were supposed to be the stay-at-home guys. That's were the Crawford came in to make the great save to cover our defensive break downs. Lanks is good, but he's not yet near reaching Crow status. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 23, 2021 8:57:22 GMT -6
To be fair Beaudin seems to have decent D fundamentals. While it would set his O-game back I'd trust him covering the backend more the Boqvist or Mitchell. Of all our young D he's the one who might be on a Hjammer-track. I know we're not going to get another Keith, and probably not another Hjammer for awhile, but with the team's makeup we need some reliable, stay-at-home guys who don't go further than their abilities on the attack. Right now that's...Murphy. Everyone else seems to get caught up ice. While I can understand it if it's Keith due to his age, even though he's been good this year, Boqvist or Mitchell because they are so green they need mowing, when Zaddy or DeHaan get caught up ice or get beat that pisses me off. These were supposed to be the stay-at-home guys. That's were the Crawford came in to make the great save to cover our defensive break downs. Lanks is good, but he's not yet near reaching Crow status. Exactly. I don't want to disparage Lankinen or even Subban that much looking at the year as a whole--they were thrown to the wolves and even with the recent downturn are still much better than expected. If late 2018 didn't prove it, this year should be proving how much Crawford, and of course Lehner masked the issue the D was developing and still has now. At least this year I can deal with it because for the most part the team is so young and teething troubles are expected. As long as the rookies/sophomores learn from their mistakes I think we should be tolerant of rookie mistakes. But, when you see vets who should know better and don't qualify for Social Security (Seabrook in recent years, Rosival in his last couple of season) misplay it too far forward and expect the goalie to save their asses, that gets old fast. It's even worse this year because they're relying on two rookie (or close-to-rookie) netminders to do so. |
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Post by creature on Mar 23, 2021 9:12:44 GMT -6
Good to be back. Was a screwed up year last year because of Covid and I wasn't in a very good mood to get on boards because the rants wouldn't be good. Had to do with my roof that was damaged by a couple of storms but they couldn't put it on due to not being able to get building permits because everything was closed. They finally came out to tarp it for winter but with all the snow melting got under them and screwed up the ceilings and on and on. Finally got it up last week but now a lot of interior repair. Great to see ya Creatch and all that work'll keep ya out of trouble. Good luck and good health to you and your family! Carlsson seems to have a defense first approach but he's out of luck because of it and he'll turn 24 this summer.....he could get stale and disinterested not playing. I shouldn't have to say a word about Carlsson as I've pumped his tires a lot. Beaudin is very good defensively also. The problem is that both are LHD yet only played on the right side. That's impressive. Both take defense pretty seriously yet most complain about their lack of offense. And yeah one needs to stay back if the other is pinching but what do we know? Apparently it wasn't working well enough. And thanks for the words of support for the roof. It is covered by insurance and so far only $250.00 out of pocket. I can also do the interior repairs myself so what they give for it will help. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 23, 2021 9:30:00 GMT -6
Great to see ya Creatch and all that work'll keep ya out of trouble. Good luck and good health to you and your family! Carlsson seems to have a defense first approach but he's out of luck because of it and he'll turn 24 this summer.....he could get stale and disinterested not playing. I shouldn't have to say a word about Carlsson as I've pumped his tires a lot. Beaudin is very good defensively also. The problem is that both are LHD yet only played on the right side. That's impressive. Both take defense pretty seriously yet most complain about their lack of offense. And yeah one needs to stay back if the other is pinching but what do we know? Apparently it wasn't working well enough. And thanks for the words of support for the roof. It is covered by insurance and so far only $250.00 out of pocket. I can also do the interior repairs myself so what they give for it will help. Carlsson's play in his own end was pretty much what you expected from what I saw and he's not undersized @6'/190lbs either but size and defensive play seem to be detriments here. You'll get the house back in shape in time for a few Jack's on the deck this summer and what else matters? I know you lost your beloved 'Kira' dog a while back my friend and I lost my 'Gray Ghost' back in early Feb.......old girl almost made 14. Taking my third elderly dog to their final rest was about as fulfilling as it gets and the great memories remain long after the sting wears off. We all mourn our losses in our own way and our own time and I'm now at a point where I just feel fortunate having had such a great companion to help me through the last year. |
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Post by Tater on Mar 23, 2021 10:11:46 GMT -6
Good to be back. Was a screwed up year last year because of Covid and I wasn't in a very good mood to get on boards because the rants wouldn't be good. Had to do with my roof that was damaged by a couple of storms but they couldn't put it on due to not being able to get building permits because everything was closed. They finally came out to tarp it for winter but with all the snow melting got under them and screwed up the ceilings and on and on. Finally got it up last week but now a lot of interior repair. Man, that sounds like a huge pain in the ass. Glad to hear insurance is covering it. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 23, 2021 12:13:18 GMT -6
Great to see ya Creatch and all that work'll keep ya out of trouble. Good luck and good health to you and your family! Carlsson seems to have a defense first approach but he's out of luck because of it and he'll turn 24 this summer.....he could get stale and disinterested not playing. I shouldn't have to say a word about Carlsson as I've pumped his tires a lot. Beaudin is very good defensively also. The problem is that both are LHD yet only played on the right side. That's impressive. Both take defense pretty seriously yet most complain about their lack of offense. And yeah one needs to stay back if the other is pinching but what do we know? Apparently it wasn't working well enough. And thanks for the words of support for the roof. It is covered by insurance and so far only $250.00 out of pocket. I can also do the interior repairs myself so what they give for it will help. For what it's worth, Hjammer is a lefty, who was played on the right side, and took defense seriously. I'm not saying Beaudin will equal Hjammer when Murph at comparable ages isn't even in smelling distance of Hjammer's jock, but the team could sure use someone to follow in Hjammer's footsteps. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 24, 2021 4:36:01 GMT -6
not colliton defensive system rated. just colliton related. i don't listen to hockey podcasts much. to me it's just a bunch of mid to late 20 year olds with their hats cranked backwards and every 5th word is "dude". having said that, zawaski's is usually pretty good. i hope this works. here's the link, really a good listen to it all, but the bit i'm on about is between 23:40 and 25:20. it's about foley talking about colliton. was i so naive that i never thought foley was ever talking bad about colliton? madhouse-chicago-hockey-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/postgame-chi-3-fla-2-lankinen-shines-foley-praises-colliton-03232021-OQ5dl9VKanyways....nice words of praise from pat foley. |
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Post by creature on Mar 24, 2021 6:31:51 GMT -6
I shouldn't have to say a word about Carlsson as I've pumped his tires a lot. Beaudin is very good defensively also. The problem is that both are LHD yet only played on the right side. That's impressive. Both take defense pretty seriously yet most complain about their lack of offense. And yeah one needs to stay back if the other is pinching but what do we know? Apparently it wasn't working well enough. And thanks for the words of support for the roof. It is covered by insurance and so far only $250.00 out of pocket. I can also do the interior repairs myself so what they give for it will help. Carlsson's play in his own end was pretty much what you expected from what I saw and he's not undersized @6'/190lbs either but size and defensive play seem to be detriments here. You'll get the house back in shape in time for a few Jack's on the deck this summer and what else matters? I know you lost your beloved 'Kira' dog a while back my friend and I lost my 'Gray Ghost' back in early Feb.......old girl almost made 14. Taking my third elderly dog to their final rest was about as fulfilling as it gets and the great memories remain long after the sting wears off. We all mourn our losses in our own way and our own time and I'm now at a point where I just feel fortunate having had such a great companion to help me through the last year. Sorry about your loss. Gets kinda lonely and I may get another but not till we move out of this state in a year or 2. Looking around Winchester Springs Tennessee which is very close to Lynchburg or Anderson South Carolina. Then I'll stop by the breeder in Greencastle Indian and get another Kira dog. But I've got new neighbors who have a 14 year old little poodle and a new born baby girl so when she takes the baby for a stroll the poodle comes in my yard and sits with me so she's not locked up in the house. |
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Post by creature on Mar 24, 2021 6:41:51 GMT -6
Good to be back. Was a screwed up year last year because of Covid and I wasn't in a very good mood to get on boards because the rants wouldn't be good. Had to do with my roof that was damaged by a couple of storms but they couldn't put it on due to not being able to get building permits because everything was closed. They finally came out to tarp it for winter but with all the snow melting got under them and screwed up the ceilings and on and on. Finally got it up last week but now a lot of interior repair. Man, that sounds like a huge pain in the ass. Glad to hear insurance is covering it. That's not even half of the crap that was aggravating. My house is basically black and cream color with black gutters and trim and it's grey shingles. It was 5 Mexicans who didn't speak a word of English and they brought brown roof vents to install. I was questioning them and they just shrugged their shoulders. Called the company and told them to send somebody who could speak to them but to no avail so they put up the brown vents. Next day they came to look at it and the next day they were tearing them off and putting on black ones. They also had a chunk of old roofing that hit the picture window and scratched the hell out of it leaving a bunch of gravel embedded in it. Another Mexican came and cleaned the window with Windex thinking that would remove all the scratches. I need a barrel of Jack to get through this. |
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Post by creature on Mar 24, 2021 6:46:01 GMT -6
I shouldn't have to say a word about Carlsson as I've pumped his tires a lot. Beaudin is very good defensively also. The problem is that both are LHD yet only played on the right side. That's impressive. Both take defense pretty seriously yet most complain about their lack of offense. And yeah one needs to stay back if the other is pinching but what do we know? Apparently it wasn't working well enough. And thanks for the words of support for the roof. It is covered by insurance and so far only $250.00 out of pocket. I can also do the interior repairs myself so what they give for it will help. For what it's worth, Hjammer is a lefty, who was played on the right side, and took defense seriously. I'm not saying Beaudin will equal Hjammer when Murph at comparable ages isn't even in smelling distance of Hjammer's jock, but the team could sure use someone to follow in Hjammer's footsteps. I think Carlsson or Beaudin could fill that role nicely it'll just take time to learn everything opposite. Still haven't seen enough of Kalynuk but he wasn't too bad. The rest? Just getting in a defensive mindset would make a huge difference. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 24, 2021 6:46:22 GMT -6
Carlsson's play in his own end was pretty much what you expected from what I saw and he's not undersized @6'/190lbs either but size and defensive play seem to be detriments here. You'll get the house back in shape in time for a few Jack's on the deck this summer and what else matters? I know you lost your beloved 'Kira' dog a while back my friend and I lost my 'Gray Ghost' back in early Feb.......old girl almost made 14. Taking my third elderly dog to their final rest was about as fulfilling as it gets and the great memories remain long after the sting wears off. We all mourn our losses in our own way and our own time and I'm now at a point where I just feel fortunate having had such a great companion to help me through the last year. Sorry about your loss. Gets kinda lonely and I may get another but not till we move out of this state in a year or 2. Looking around Winchester Springs Tennessee which is very close to Lynchburg or Anderson South Carolina. Then I'll stop by the breeder in Greencastle Indian and get another Kira dog. But I've got new neighbors who have a 14 year old little poodle and a new born baby girl so when she takes the baby for a stroll the poodle comes in my yard and sits with me so she's not locked up in the house. I have always had a soft spot for unwanted shelter dogs. Their eyes just make me melt. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 24, 2021 7:45:47 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Hjammer is a lefty, who was played on the right side, and took defense seriously. I'm not saying Beaudin will equal Hjammer when Murph at comparable ages isn't even in smelling distance of Hjammer's jock, but the team could sure use someone to follow in Hjammer's footsteps. I think Carlsson or Beaudin could fill that role nicely it'll just take time to learn everything opposite. Still haven't seen enough of Kalynuk but he wasn't too bad. The rest? Just getting in a defensive mindset would make a huge difference. I agree there. I think Beaudin should be up in the NHL learning that (in my estimation he's proven he's got the brainpan to not shoot the team in the foot), but unfortunately we have the 2nd coming of Dany Richmond (in number and in defensive play) clogging the lineup. |
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Post by creature on Mar 25, 2021 6:44:55 GMT -6
Sorry about your loss. Gets kinda lonely and I may get another but not till we move out of this state in a year or 2. Looking around Winchester Springs Tennessee which is very close to Lynchburg or Anderson South Carolina. Then I'll stop by the breeder in Greencastle Indian and get another Kira dog. But I've got new neighbors who have a 14 year old little poodle and a new born baby girl so when she takes the baby for a stroll the poodle comes in my yard and sits with me so she's not locked up in the house. I have always had a soft spot for unwanted shelter dogs. Their eyes just make me melt. Always been a German Shepherd person and the GSD before the Kira dog was a rescue. There are a couple of GSD rescue places around here and trust me I've been searching them and really really want another but since we are moving soon and all the expense adding a dog still leaves a big question for now. There were a few that I saw and it took everything in me not to just go get 1. Most are from people who lost their homes from this pandemic and with the shelters bursting at the seams they give them to a specific rescue like the GSD. It's only like $350.00 to adopt and includes all the shots and medical exams. And my wife knows me all too well that one day she will come home from work to be greeted by yet another German Shepherd without her knowledge. |
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Post by creature on Mar 25, 2021 7:09:31 GMT -6
I think Carlsson or Beaudin could fill that role nicely it'll just take time to learn everything opposite. Still haven't seen enough of Kalynuk but he wasn't too bad. The rest? Just getting in a defensive mindset would make a huge difference. I agree there. I think Beaudin should be up in the NHL learning that (in my estimation he's proven he's got the brainpan to not shoot the team in the foot), but unfortunately we have the 2nd coming of Dany Richmond (in number and in defensive play) clogging the lineup. I'd rather Beaudin stay on the left side because he is sound defensively but a bit better offensively than Carlsson. Carlsson is just plain good defensively on either side and good offensively only on the left side. This team doesn't need all that offensive ability on defense. As is now when they get in the O zone they forget they are defensemen and become forwards always pinching in not on 1 play or 2 plays but everytime they are in that zone. I've said this before and will say it again. I've kept my eye on Carlsson for 3 years and the first time I saw him play the first person that came to mind was Keith Brown. Brown's biggest asset other than never drop your gloves with him was his awareness and positioning. His head was always up and on a swivel. He could see how the play was developing and be there to slow it down, stop it or gain control of the puck. In all the decades I've cheered on the Hawks Brown was one of the best defensive defenseman I've seen play on this team. Then to see Hammer in that #4 sweater? Sweet! Wonder if Carlsson will nix the 46 and just wear #4. 😁 |
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Post by LordKOTL on Mar 25, 2021 8:17:29 GMT -6
I agree there. I think Beaudin should be up in the NHL learning that (in my estimation he's proven he's got the brainpan to not shoot the team in the foot), but unfortunately we have the 2nd coming of Dany Richmond (in number and in defensive play) clogging the lineup. I'd rather Beaudin stay on the left side because he is sound defensively but a bit better offensively than Carlsson. Carlsson is just plain good defensively on either side and good offensively only on the left side. This team doesn't need all that offensive ability on defense. As is now when they get in the O zone they forget they are defensemen and become forwards always pinching in not on 1 play or 2 plays but everytime they are in that zone. I've said this before and will say it again. I've kept my eye on Carlsson for 3 years and the first time I saw him play the first person that came to mind was Keith Brown. Brown's biggest asset other than never drop your gloves with him was his awareness and positioning. His head was always up and on a swivel. He could see how the play was developing and be there to slow it down, stop it or gain control of the puck. In all the decades I've cheered on the Hawks Brown was one of the best defensive defenseman I've seen play on this team. Then to see Hammer in that #4 sweater? Sweet! Wonder if Carlsson will nix the 46 and just wear #4. 😁 I hear you...my comment was more that we have a $4.5M guy LHS Defenseman clogging up our roster who wears the same number as Dany Richmond--and that player is effectively blocking any young player from breaking into the lineup in a year where we should be testing out as many kids as possible. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 25, 2021 8:29:18 GMT -6
I have always had a soft spot for unwanted shelter dogs. Their eyes just make me melt. Always been a German Shepherd person and the GSD before the Kira dog was a rescue. There are a couple of GSD rescue places around here and trust me I've been searching them and really really want another but since we are moving soon and all the expense adding a dog still leaves a big question for now. There were a few that I saw and it took everything in me not to just go get 1. Most are from people who lost their homes from this pandemic and with the shelters bursting at the seams they give them to a specific rescue like the GSD. It's only like $350.00 to adopt and includes all the shots and medical exams. And my wife knows me all too well that one day she will come home from work to be greeted by yet another German Shepherd without her knowledge. If I had the money, c'mon lottery, I would have a 50 acre field fenced in and rescue as many unwanted dogs that can fill in the place. Would have a Vet and staff there for any and all medical needs and I'm sure there would be many people that would volunteer to play with the dogs. A few barn like structures, heated and AC of course, for their comfort. |
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Post by acesandeights on Mar 26, 2021 8:31:31 GMT -6
not colliton defensive system rated. just colliton related. i don't listen to hockey podcasts much. to me it's just a bunch of mid to late 20 year olds with their hats cranked backwards and every 5th word is "dude". having said that, zawaski's is usually pretty good. i hope this works. here's the link, really a good listen to it all, but the bit i'm on about is between 23:40 and 25:20. it's about foley talking about colliton. was i so naive that i never thought foley was ever talking bad about colliton? madhouse-chicago-hockey-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/postgame-chi-3-fla-2-lankinen-shines-foley-praises-colliton-03232021-OQ5dl9VKanyways....nice words of praise from pat foley. The podcast was educational. During the 34:35 to the 34:45 mark, I learned another way to say "mediocrity".  |
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Post by tincup on May 12, 2021 12:52:19 GMT -6
Doesn’t look like he’s ready to change his mind.
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Post by BigT on May 12, 2021 14:33:01 GMT -6
That may be the worst thing he could have said. No accountability, and basically saying that the players aren’t good enough and they need to learn how to defend in this league. He never really played in the NHL. So how the hell does he know how to coach and or teach kids at this level?
Everyone knows he’s no good. The org is making Foley, Eddie and everyone else to say the nicest things about him so Stan doesn’t look like a failure. The Hawks seem to be run in the same way that #45 ran the USA. Gotta make the guy up top look good no matter what. Even lie. But this is just hockey, shouldn’t be about stan Bowman’s take over plans. 11 years is too long. I’d say 5-8 is more than likely bough time for a GM!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 12, 2021 16:09:39 GMT -6
Doesn’t look like he’s ready to change his mind. sigh... doesn't answer the questions at all. doesn't say why he thinks it works, doesn't say anything about considering changing it. once again seems to place the blame on the players... Kaner made a comment yesterday about how this system wasn't about puck possession and was more about moving the puck forward. I believe merp asked what his system even was early in the season and I responded with "forward. nutshell." big thanks to 88 for backing me up on that one... once more, with feeling, JC may be a great communicator, but this was season #3 with guys running around the ice with seemingly no idea what they should be doing, playing a system that goes against what most, if not all, of these guys have came up doing in the d zone. he seems to me to either be a terrible teacher or his system is shite. |
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Post by nighbor on May 14, 2021 1:02:36 GMT -6
That may be the worst thing he could have said. No accountability, and basically saying that the players aren’t good enough and they need to learn how to defend in this league. He never really played in the NHL. So how the hell does he know how to coach and or teach kids at this level? Everyone knows he’s no good. The org is making Foley, Eddie and everyone else to say the nicest things about him so Stan doesn’t look like a failure. The Hawks seem to be run in the same way that #45 ran the USA. Gotta make the guy up top look good no matter what. Even lie. But this is just hockey, shouldn’t be about stan Bowman’s take over plans. 11 years is too long. I’d say 5-8 is more than likely bough time for a GM!!! JC was drafted by the NYI with the 28th pick of the 2003 draft and played 57 NHL games. Scotty Bowman who did not play a single shift in the NHL and is the winningest coach in NHL history. This fact disproves your theory of needing to play NHL to coach NHL. |
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Post by BigT on May 14, 2021 6:30:15 GMT -6
That may be the worst thing he could have said. No accountability, and basically saying that the players aren’t good enough and they need to learn how to defend in this league. He never really played in the NHL. So how the hell does he know how to coach and or teach kids at this level? Everyone knows he’s no good. The org is making Foley, Eddie and everyone else to say the nicest things about him so Stan doesn’t look like a failure. The Hawks seem to be run in the same way that #45 ran the USA. Gotta make the guy up top look good no matter what. Even lie. But this is just hockey, shouldn’t be about stan Bowman’s take over plans. 11 years is too long. I’d say 5-8 is more than likely bough time for a GM!!! JC was drafted by the NYI with the 28th pick of the 2003 draft and played 57 NHL games. Scotty Bowman who did not play a single shift in the NHL and is the winningest coach in NHL history. This fact disproves your theory of needing to play NHL to coach NHL. The only thing Scotty was good at, is making sure he only went to the best teams......ever. He was a sub par coach, just look at his work with St. Louis and Buffalo. He didn’t have the best team (ever) and he couldn’t make it work. So, I’ll give credit when due. He found a way to leach on to the next generational team and he did that his last 12 years. Look at Pitt. 2 years there and they got rid of him. He spent 4 years losing early with the wings and they had a generational team. Alex Delvechio and Holland stopped listening to him and built their own team and started winning Cups. So he left Detroit due to having no say, because Halloand took over and won a Cup right at Bowman’s end and he didn’t want him anymore. I live right by Detroit and I read and hear everything Wings. I lived through that era. Just like his dad, the Bowman’s are very good at convincing owners that they can’t live without them. You’ve stated every year that this team would be better. They’ve gotten worse every single year. You seem like a cool guy, but your blind loyalty skews your arguments towards your feelings. And the truth doesn’t care about your or my feelings!!! |
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Post by Tater on May 14, 2021 12:42:25 GMT -6
Anyone hear from Creach? He's been gone for a while.
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Post by BigT on May 14, 2021 13:16:08 GMT -6
Anyone hear from Creach? He's been gone for a while. I chat with him from time to time. He’s a great guy. But, I don’t think his point of view comes across the best on a message board, so he stays away. Last time we talked, he wasn’t the happiest with the Hawks direction, but then again, no one is!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 14, 2021 18:52:10 GMT -6
the article was mostly regarding Kane and his "little thing" he has been dealing with, but I thought the last paragraph was the most interesting.
Kane:
"With the way our team plays now, it’s not so much puck possession as it is moving the puck ahead and tracking it down. I've been used to playing that puck possession game my whole career, so it’s a little different, but I've just got to find a way to create no matter what the situation is. Looking forward to bouncing back next year."
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Post by tincup on May 14, 2021 19:01:21 GMT -6
the article was mostly regarding Kane and his "little thing" he has been dealing with, but I thought the last paragraph was the most interesting. Kane: "With the way our team plays now, it’s not so much puck possession as it is moving the puck ahead and tracking it down. I've been used to playing that puck possession game my whole career, so it’s a little different, but I've just got to find a way to create no matter what the situation is. Looking forward to bouncing back next year." The Low or No puck possession offense. Doesn’t sound like a recipe for success. |
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Post by hsbob on May 15, 2021 7:18:05 GMT -6
the article was mostly regarding Kane and his "little thing" he has been dealing with, but I thought the last paragraph was the most interesting. Kane: "With the way our team plays now, it’s not so much puck possession as it is moving the puck ahead and tracking it down. I've been used to playing that puck possession game my whole career, so it’s a little different, but I've just got to find a way to create no matter what the situation is. Looking forward to bouncing back next year." Since the team won't be good for some time,why not play Kane with D-Cat if Kane stays? It'll result in the two putin' up big numbers and havin' some fun......you'd think common sense would dictate this for the fans alone. |
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