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Post by mikeveisor on Apr 8, 2021 11:04:24 GMT -6
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Apr 8, 2021 11:14:04 GMT -6
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 8, 2021 11:15:03 GMT -6
I think the main piece for the hawks is borgstrom. Another former 1st rounder, 6’3 200lbs center. Not bad really, add in a 7th rounder and stillman replacing carlsson.
Lost wallmark, who no one picked when he was waived and carlsson. It makes the panthers a cup contender now, carlsson will follow in the footsteps of Daley, Kempny and Ruutta lol
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Post by BigT on Apr 8, 2021 11:20:29 GMT -6
Ya, I don’t get this. It doesn’t really clear a logjam on D because Stillman is a D. Stan took on a lot of salary and really didn’t gain much. This is a head scratcher here!!!
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Post by shooter61 on Apr 8, 2021 11:41:32 GMT -6
Most of Stans moves are head scratchers
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 8, 2021 11:44:13 GMT -6
Kind of reminds us of the days we had too many Brandons on the team. Saad, Pirri and Bollig |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 8, 2021 11:44:44 GMT -6
I like this trade, I'm a Carlsson fan but he's another small dman who wasn't getting playing time and almost 24, Stillman just turned 23 is 6'1" almost 200lbs..
Connelly is a 6'3" righty who makes over 3mill a season, yes he's 28 but he scored 19 goals last season and over 20 the season before.
The Panthers freed up cap space so they had to give up a good prospect in Borgstrom, a big skilled center who played two seasons with Mitchell at UofD
Good trade for Chicago.
Hopefully they can find a taker for de Haan.
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Post by Tater on Apr 8, 2021 12:08:57 GMT -6
I like this trade, I'm a Carlsson fan but he's another small dman who wasn't getting playing time and almost 24, Stillman is 6'1" and almost 200lbs plus he played with Mitchell before. Connelly is a 6'3" righty who makes over 3mill a season, yes he's 28 but he scored 19 goals last season and over 20 the season before. The Panthers freed up cap space so they had to give up a good prospect in Borgstrom, a big skilled center. Good trade for Chicago. Hopefully they can find a taker for de Haan. I'd be happy if moving de Haan was the only other move made. And I kinda like the guy. |
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Post by vonbeck on Apr 8, 2021 12:39:11 GMT -6
I like this trade, I'm a Carlsson fan but he's another small dman who wasn't getting playing time and almost 24, Stillman is 6'1" and almost 200lbs plus he played with Mitchell before. Connelly is a 6'3" righty who makes over 3mill a season, yes he's 28 but he scored 19 goals last season and over 20 the season before. The Panthers freed up cap space so they had to give up a good prospect in Borgstrom, a big skilled center. Good trade for Chicago. Hopefully they can find a taker for de Haan. Yeah, I kinda like the trade as well. EliteProspects.com said this of him... "Borgstrom can dangle, even when there are two or three opposing players defending him. He has a decent wrist shot with a quick release".
I don't know if this bodes well for a Toews return anytime soon if at all.
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Post by tincup on Apr 8, 2021 14:35:25 GMT -6
dobberhockey.com/2021/04/08/fantasy-take-connolly-stillman-borgstrom-traded-to-chicago/Dobber prospects a little less enthusiastic about the trade in regards to the Hawks. Hawks Euro scouts have some decent cred so the fact that Borgstrom is playing in HIFK this year must mean they have some knowledge and think he’s not a lost cause. Hopefully Stan isn’t just looking at his hockeydb.com page. I guess Florida is Stan’s new Arizona when it comes to trading.
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 8, 2021 16:03:49 GMT -6
It's like trading three slices of Wonder Bread and the right to a slice of freshly made bologna for two slices of Wonder Bread. Maybe taking on some monetary obligation makes this an even trade. Otherwise, it is probably one of the all-time insignificant, meaningless trades. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 8, 2021 16:35:52 GMT -6
was hoping borgstrom's f/o numbers would be a little brighter but in 58 nhl games he's at just 42%.
anyways, good luck to carlsson. he was a pretty good soldier for this organization. it will be interesting to follow his career. i wouldn't be shocked that there'll come a day when we wish we kept him. we'll see.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 8, 2021 17:04:24 GMT -6
don't mind this one at all. we gave up very little, unless Carlsson turns into a great player down the road.
Stillman has some size and is still young, both of which work for us. maybe he pans out, maybe he plays in the Rock. either way, he is a rfa, so he should be cheap for a few more years. obviously the big Finn is the prize here, hopefully our scouts have seen something in him and he turns into another Kubalik. worth a shot, anyway. finally, Connolly gives us a big forward to contribute to the run this year and then likely another piece to move down the road for more pieces. or, perhaps even moved at the deadline for someone we like better. he has playoff experience as well.
nothing flashy at all here, not too much to get excited about, but a fair trade nonetheless, imo.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 9, 2021 6:52:24 GMT -6
Connolly dressed for 21 games so far and many figured the Cats would have to part with one good or a few decent picks to unload that 3.5M hit for two more after this year BUT SB went with the kid he saw play in college who's another 1st rounder who hasn't made it and at 23,Borkbork hasn't made it.
Hawks description of the trade says "he played parts of three NHL seasons",loosely translated....he had three shots and was sent down three times. Perfect center for Nolander next year?LOL
Stillman is a decent #7 with some snarl who'll never get a chance to prove anything here,if Mitchell and Beaudin can't draw in,how will he?
I said in another post that the staff had little use for a defense first D-man and I said look for Carlsson to be gone.....decent size @ 6' 189 too.....20lbs bigger than Beaudin.
Wallmart was hot garbage who cleared.
If the 23yro center doesn't work out,that means we paid 7M for Brett 'buyout' Connolly.
With all that said,this isn't a bad trade because little was given up,maybe Carlsson makes it but he wasn't gonna make it here........I wouldn't count any chickens yet.
Florida clears space and undoubtedly has more moves in mind.
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Post by creature on Apr 9, 2021 9:02:29 GMT -6
Carlsson was not going to play here period because of his stay at home defensive play so why Stillman? A 4th round 2016 pick same as Carlsson. A LHD same as Carlsson. So he's maybe 2 inches taller and 12 lbs heavier who maybe hits a bit more? His game is so similar to Carlsson so now how is JC gonna use him? Another LHD playing the right side? Or spending his time with the Yellow Cab Company?
One thing for sure is that Carlsson won't be lost to Seattle for nothing. Also Q got to see and coach Carlsson in his first prospects camp and I believe he might have been whispering in the GM's ear. Q never liked heavy hitters on D but more positional and shot blocking defensemen that can gain possession and that is Carlsson.
Hated to see him go but hope he gets a fair shot at the NHL now. Think Carlsson will make them forget Stillman very quickly. But as of now only Connelly counts as something.
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Post by tincup on Apr 9, 2021 10:31:49 GMT -6
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Post by shooter61 on Apr 9, 2021 12:36:20 GMT -6
A lot he says makes sense, kinda liked Highmore's work ethic, but Hagel is a major upgrade, don't even think you can compare the two any more
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Post by Tater on Apr 9, 2021 12:53:59 GMT -6
If they plan to move Soderberg, I think it makes sense to play him over Highmore. He did well in front of the net on the PP and a couple more goals could have increased his value.
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Post by BigT on Apr 9, 2021 15:15:24 GMT -6
I really don’t see Zadorov, or even Strome going. Is Strome really the guy that’s going to put a Cup contender over the top? I doubt it, if he’s moved, it’ll be in the off-season. Highmore is obsolete, I don’t think he’s even tradable? So I only see Stan moving pieces that aren’t really important, more than likely he takes on a bad deal in the next 24 hours so a team can make a bigger move!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 10, 2021 8:15:34 GMT -6
Seems like most of the articles are a lot more optimistic about the move than I am and believe me.....I hope they're right..... thehockeywriters.com/blackhawks-borgstrom-rights-acquisition-risks/I will take some issue with the 'the Panther's failure to have properly deployed his talent' and 'he encountered a less than ideal landscape during his initial years' though. Who wouldn't want to play their 1st round 6'3" center? Florida did play him with 50 starts two years ago and he also saw a few starts the year before and the year after. Maybe he breaks through but his situation sounds startlingly like Nolander's. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 10, 2021 8:47:31 GMT -6
Seems like most of the articles are a lot more optimistic about the move than I am and believe me.....I hope they're right..... thehockeywriters.com/blackhawks-borgstrom-rights-acquisition-risks/I will take some issue with the 'the Panther's failure to have properly deployed his talent' and 'he encountered a less than ideal landscape during his initial years' though. Who wouldn't want to play their 1st round 6'3" center? Florida did play him with 50 starts two years ago and he also saw a few starts the year before and the year after. Maybe he breaks through but his situation sounds startlingly like Nolander's. I pretty much agree with you. I know many justified the Nylander trade, I hated it and still do. He’s a bust. No other way to put it. At least with this deal, we don’t lose too badly. If this kid doesn’t do much next year, that trade is basically a loss. I just don’t see the kid taking any longer to develop. He shouldn’t have to. If he was 19, I’d agree he probably needs some seasoning. So it seems this team will be filled with former (probably failed) first rounders. I don’t think that has ever worked for a rebuild. The team may have more gumption, but it’s still a shitty team to me. I can’t say it’s that much better if any than the last few years!!! |
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Post by irmaks on Apr 10, 2021 11:23:58 GMT -6
Seems like we got just rights for that kid, so he still needs to be signed. Not sure what it means
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Post by BigT on Apr 10, 2021 11:30:43 GMT -6
Seems like we got just rights for that kid, so he still needs to be signed. Not sure what it means He’s basically an RFA that is “holding out”. He was qualified but not signed. So they traded his rights to Chicago. He wasn’t signed or offered anything more than the Qualifying Offer because they never seen enough outta him to warrant that. I have no info of what he’d want, but it’s definitely more than the Qualifying Offer, or else he would a excepted it. Let’s just hope the kid will be decent. But his number don’t look too promising in a lesser league over in Europe!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 10, 2021 12:10:35 GMT -6
Seems like we got just rights for that kid, so he still needs to be signed. Not sure what it means He’s basically an RFA that is “holding out”. He was qualified but not signed. So they traded his rights to Chicago. He wasn’t signed or offered anything more than the Qualifying Offer because they never seen enough outta him to warrant that. I have no info of what he’d want, but it’s definitely more than the Qualifying Offer, or else he would a excepted it. Let’s just hope the kid will be decent. But his number don’t look too promising in a lesser league over in Europe!!!I said the same thing about Boqvist when they drafted him. Other than 1 year with the Knights with a very decent season, I seen nothing else. 2 years with Rockford would have been a good measure for him after London. But I guess Brian Campbell fell in love with him. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 10, 2021 14:02:11 GMT -6
He’s basically an RFA that is “holding out”. He was qualified but not signed. So they traded his rights to Chicago. He wasn’t signed or offered anything more than the Qualifying Offer because they never seen enough outta him to warrant that. I have no info of what he’d want, but it’s definitely more than the Qualifying Offer, or else he would a excepted it. Let’s just hope the kid will be decent. But his number don’t look too promising in a lesser league over in Europe!!!I said the same thing about Boqvist when they drafted him. Other than 1 year with the Knights with a very decent season, I seen nothing else. 2 years with Rockford would have been a good measure for him after London. But I guess Brian Campbell fell in love with him. I think you’re right about Boqvist. While he did look good in a stacked London team. He would always let his man get to the puck first and he’s not physical at all. I’ve pretty much gave up on Boqvist, if he works out, cool, if he doesn’t, I wasn’t expecting anything anyways. I think this other kid is along the same lines!!! |
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Post by tincup on Apr 10, 2021 14:33:18 GMT -6
Seems like we got just rights for that kid, so he still needs to be signed. Not sure what it means He’s basically an RFA that is “holding out”. He was qualified but not signed. So they traded his rights to Chicago. He wasn’t signed or offered anything more than the Qualifying Offer because they never seen enough outta him to warrant that. I have no info of what he’d want, but it’s definitely more than the Qualifying Offer, or else he would a excepted it. Let’s just hope the kid will be decent. But his number don’t look too promising in a lesser league over in Europe!!! I don’t know what Borgstrom’s original contract was worth but the higher drafted Puljujarvi came back to Edmonton on a two year deal worth $1.175 million per after his pout and his ELC ran out. Borgstrom should be worth less than that. What’s another malcontented Finn worth? If Borgstrom is complaining about his development, especially when he had a countryman like Barkov to mentor him, what could you expect here anyways? |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 11, 2021 8:54:00 GMT -6
He’s basically an RFA that is “holding out”. He was qualified but not signed. So they traded his rights to Chicago. He wasn’t signed or offered anything more than the Qualifying Offer because they never seen enough outta him to warrant that. I have no info of what he’d want, but it’s definitely more than the Qualifying Offer, or else he would a excepted it. Let’s just hope the kid will be decent. But his number don’t look too promising in a lesser league over in Europe!!!I said the same thing about Boqvist when they drafted him. Other than 1 year with the Knights with a very decent season, I seen nothing else. 2 years with Rockford would have been a good measure for him after London. But I guess Brian Campbell fell in love with him. I thought Campbell said Boqvist still needed work on his play in his own end and he'd continue to work with him in Rockford but the team called him up after only 15 games. |
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Post by acesandeights on Apr 11, 2021 9:12:25 GMT -6
Seems like most of the articles are a lot more optimistic about the move than I am and believe me.....I hope they're right..... thehockeywriters.com/blackhawks-borgstrom-rights-acquisition-risks/I will take some issue with the 'the Panther's failure to have properly deployed his talent' and 'he encountered a less than ideal landscape during his initial years' though. Who wouldn't want to play their 1st round 6'3" center? Florida did play him with 50 starts two years ago and he also saw a few starts the year before and the year after. Maybe he breaks through but his situation sounds startlingly like Nolander's. I wish the author would have elaborated on the bolded part; "Needless to say, his talent isn’t the problem. Sometimes there are external factors, such as a team’s construction, that get in the way of a player’s ability to perform. Perhaps a fresh audience in Chicago is all that Borgström needs to put on a good show in the NHL." What was it about the Panther's "construction" that was hindering Borgstrom's development? By "team's construction", is he meaning too many of one type player and not enough of another, such as maybe too few skill players. I'd also like to hear what Borgstrom himself would have to say about how he was being developed by Florida. Since he has a lot of potential and is the long term piece in the deal, there's no doubt the Hawks will sign Borgstrom, or at least try real hard. I sure hope the Hawks have the proper "team construction" that will help him develop. It would be great if he became a good player for the Hawks but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 11, 2021 9:13:52 GMT -6
I said the same thing about Boqvist when they drafted him. Other than 1 year with the Knights with a very decent season, I seen nothing else. 2 years with Rockford would have been a good measure for him after London. But I guess Brian Campbell fell in love with him. I thought Campbell said Boqvist still needed work on his play in his own end and he'd continue to work with him in Rockford but the team called him up after only 15 games. Campbell is listed a player development coach for the Hawks, along with Yanic Perreault, Erik Condra and Kendall Coyne Schofield. They are not limited to Rockford, so he has "coached" him since day 1. Not much improvement during this time. Edit: So either Campbell sucks as a developmental coach or Boqvist is what he is. an average middle ground player. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 11, 2021 9:52:14 GMT -6
I thought Campbell said Boqvist still needed work on his play in his own end and he'd continue to work with him in Rockford but the team called him up after only 15 games. Campbell is listed a player development coach for the Hawks, along with Yanic Perreault, Erik Condra and Kendall Coyne Schofield. They are not limited to Rockford, so he has "coached" him since day 1. Not much improvement during this time. Edit: So either Campbell sucks as a developmental coach or Boqvist is what he is. an average middle ground player. I'm aware the Hawks have other player development coaches for whatever that matters. Not sure what you mean by 'day one' but he did work with him in London and expected to in Rockford too but the team only left him there for 15 games before he was recalled. I'll leave who "sucks" or not up to you but Campbell himself said the kid still needed work in his own end and he looked forward to working with him further in the 'A' and Boqvist woulda been better off for it. I see the holes in the kid's game too but he looks like a lock for 30-40 points per and his defensive play should improve.......we forget he's only 20. |
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