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Post by vadarx on Aug 12, 2021 12:19:04 GMT -6
shocked they didn't bring back Kampf, but I guess they finally realized his lack of offense negated his defensive abilities. 500k isn't much of a raise... Yeah right kampt couldn't finish on an open net... I've been a hawks fan for 31 years and it makes me angry reading a lot of the posts on these forums... Ask yourselves are you actually fans? Seems like a lot of you moan and grown and act like we don't have a good team. The REAL fact is, our team looks great, we have a good shot with all these off season moves to make something happen here, why not be excited instead of picking apart Stan and not SUPPORTING your TEAM. With Toews back (if he is back, and it sounds like he will be) and Johnson here, I love our depth down the middle, we have 2 great scoring lines and a solid 3rd with a grinding 4th (which I really, really think we needed). Anyway, be a true fan and show some support, get excited, if We're not doing well at the start of the season look for the FO to get a new coach, just like when they brought in Q. Untill then, give the boys a chance and let's see what happens here, you don't need to finish at the bottom to rebuild, if you build your team right you do it just how Stan is doing it here... LETS GO HAWKS!! so then... now that I have a minute to address this... I'm not sure what about my post about Kampf not being re-signed triggered such a response, but okie doke... not sure how much of an all caps fact it is that this team will be great, but to insinuate that I don't want them to be would be a mistake on your part. I am, have been, and always will be a Chicago Blackhawks fan and my questioning of the way things are being done in no way has any effect on said fandom. that being said, welcome to the board!
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Post by BigT on Aug 12, 2021 13:21:11 GMT -6
Yeah right kampt couldn't finish on an open net... I've been a hawks fan for 31 years and it makes me angry reading a lot of the posts on these forums... Ask yourselves are you actually fans? Seems like a lot of you moan and grown and act like we don't have a good team. The REAL fact is, our team looks great, we have a good shot with all these off season moves to make something happen here, why not be excited instead of picking apart Stan and not SUPPORTING your TEAM. With Toews back (if he is back, and it sounds like he will be) and Johnson here, I love our depth down the middle, we have 2 great scoring lines and a solid 3rd with a grinding 4th (which I really, really think we needed). Anyway, be a true fan and show some support, get excited, if We're not doing well at the start of the season look for the FO to get a new coach, just like when they brought in Q. Untill then, give the boys a chance and let's see what happens here, you don't need to finish at the bottom to rebuild, if you build your team right you do it just how Stan is doing it here... LETS GO HAWKS!! so then... now that I have a minute to address this... I'm not sure what about my post about Kampf not being re-signed triggered such a response, but okie doke... not sure how much of an all caps fact it is that this team will be great, but to insinuate that I don't want them to be would be a mistake on your part. I am, have been, and always will be a Chicago Blackhawks fan and my questioning of the way things are being done in no way has any effect on said fandom. that being said, welcome to the board! I agree with you. Being critical of the managements decisions is part of being a fan. That’s what fans do, they criticize and discuss decisions. I’ve actually stood up for Ol Scambo from time to time. But there really hasn’t been much to celebrate under his watch. Let’s not include the few Cups that he was more of a spectator. With Q telling him what he wanted. It worked out well for some time, but he wanted things his way. Fair enough. But things haven’t worked out at all for Ol Scambo. This is where fans and a message board really starts popping. It’s the nature of things. If, and I mean if things work out for the Hawks this year. I will celebrate amongst my fellow Hawks fans. So, let’s hope it works out, but if it doesn’t, are fans supposed to celebrate another year of losing? I’ll welcome everyone to the boards. But I’m not so keen on someone jumping in only to do what they say they don’t like. Onward and upward!!!
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Post by hsbob on Aug 12, 2021 20:03:26 GMT -6
Followed the team for over five decades but yeah........please lecture me about being a a”real fan”...........I’m impure.....LOL!!!!
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Post by BigT on Aug 12, 2021 20:30:27 GMT -6
Followed the team for over five decades but yeah........please lecture me about being a a”real fan”...........I’m impure.....LOL!!!! I started liking the team when I was a young lad. I believe it was 87. I was 10 when I started following them. All my friends were either Leaves or Wings fans and I couldn’t stand them. Plus I loved the uniforms. So although I’m 44, I’ve also followed them in parts of 5 different decades. Kinda hard to swallow that. But….. I’ve seen 3 Cups and I understand that may be it for my lifetime. It’s tougher with 32 teams now. I think this is why you and I were in agreement that they should have gone for it with the core a lot sooner. Smoke em if ya got em they say!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Aug 13, 2021 6:01:36 GMT -6
Followed the team for over five decades but yeah........please lecture me about being a a”real fan”...........I’m impure.....LOL!!!! Are you a masochist? Lol doesnt the blackhawks own the record for consecutice years of getting the playoffs but not winning it? I think its 25 yrs or so. Thats gotta hurt a bit I became a fan mid 90s when they broke the streak and didnt qualify in the PO and the mediocrity of the team just became worse and worse for more than a decade
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Post by gigecj on Aug 13, 2021 12:32:37 GMT -6
Yeah, the whole "Real Fans Don't Criticize the Organization" argument seems silly to me, especially on a message board. I wrote about this on the old NHL-sponsored boards years back. What kind of boring message boards would these be if everyone were "Rah, Rah, Shish Kum Bah!"
Still, especially during "Game Day's" and the discussion is about the game at hand, even the most critical of us go positively crazy when the Hawks do wonderful things.
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Post by shooter61 on Aug 13, 2021 17:54:55 GMT -6
I've been a die hard Hawks fan since 62, and as T said , all my friends were habs , leafs and bruin fans , in the eary 70's we were always good enough to give you hope for a cup, then came the 80's , poor drafting , and shitty teams , the 90s got better for a bit , but didn't last despite having some great players, then came the cup years , and now this , what pisses me off about now is we had such a good base for so long and that no good Stan has done everything in his power to ruin it , but I can't change being a hawks fan no matter what he does i sometimes get pissed at different posters because of their views , but I know they are just venting,and it's nothing personal,
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 7:26:20 GMT -6
Bruce Garriouch, the Ottawa Sun's notorious rumour monger, is posting that the Senators have some interest in Dylan Strome, potentially dangling prospect 21-year-old Erik Brannstrom as the trade chip.
Brannstrom, a former first-round pick of the Knights, was acquired as part of the package for Mark Stone. He is a classic, small offensive-minded left-shot defender with upside to run a powerplay.
I suspect Nick Beaudin likely would be included in the deal and perhaps Logan Brown.
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Post by BigT on Aug 15, 2021 8:26:04 GMT -6
Bruce Garriouch, the Ottawa Sun's notorious rumour monger, is posting that the Senators have some interest in Dylan Strome, potentially dangling prospect 21-year-old Erik Brannstrom as the trade chip. Brannstrom, a former first-round pick of the Knights, was acquired as part of the package for Mark Stone. He is a classic, small offensive-minded left-shot defender with upside to run a powerplay. I suspect Nick Beaudin likely would be included in the deal and perhaps Logan Brown. It saves money. I don’t think the Beaudin for Brown makes much sense though. Although it gets the Hawks much bigger with Brown, but is Brown even an NHL player? I loved watching him with my Spitfires. But he just isn’t a good skater. But he does fit Scambo’s latest thing in getting players who have dads who played. Who knows. I don’t think Strome will be back at all. There’s just no room for him. And it’s a shame for whatever reason a 6’4” 3rd overall centerman just never developed. Really sucks to see!!!
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 9:07:42 GMT -6
The Senators are looking for a top six forward, preferably a centre. Strome would be a reasonably priced reclamation project.
If Brannstrom is the Hawks target, it makes sense for the Senators to want a replacement (hence Beaudin, who would become redundant here). Brown would basically be a throw in. He is a better fit here as a potential third or fourth liner as opposed to Strome.
Brannstrom has no role in Ottawa this year. They need to move him before his value tanks. Brown needs an opportunity to play. Add some draft picks to even out the risks for both sides.
I see a potential deal here.
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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 15, 2021 9:18:14 GMT -6
Bruce Garriouch, the Ottawa Sun's notorious rumour monger, is posting that the Senators have some interest in Dylan Strome, potentially dangling prospect 21-year-old Erik Brannstrom as the trade chip. Brannstrom, a former first-round pick of the Knights, was acquired as part of the package for Mark Stone. He is a classic, small offensive-minded left-shot defender with upside to run a powerplay. I suspect Nick Beaudin likely would be included in the deal and perhaps Logan Brown. It saves money. I don’t think the Beaudin for Brown makes much sense though. Although it gets the Hawks much bigger with Brown, but is Brown even an NHL player? I loved watching him with my Spitfires. But he just isn’t a good skater. But he does fit Scambo’s latest thing in getting players who have dads who played. Who knows. I don’t think Strome will be back at all. There’s just no room for him. And it’s a shame for whatever reason a 6’4” 3rd overall centerman just never developed. Really sucks to see!!! How about the Hawks sweeten the pot and throw in Nylander..........?
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Post by Tater on Aug 15, 2021 9:30:14 GMT -6
How about the Hawks sweeten the pot and throw in Nylander..........? I'd be happy if they just gave them Nylander, no trade needed.
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Post by BigT on Aug 15, 2021 9:31:50 GMT -6
The Senators are looking for a top six forward, preferably a centre. Strome would be a reasonably priced reclamation project. If Brannstrom is the Hawks target, it makes sense for the Senators to want a replacement (hence Beaudin, who would become redundant here). Brown would basically be a throw in. He is a better fit here as a potential third or fourth liner as opposed to Strome. Brannstrom has no role in Ottawa this year. They need to move him before his value tanks. Brown needs an opportunity to play. Add some draft picks to even out the risks for both sides. I see a potential deal here. I also see potential here. But right now Beaudin and Strome had better be able to attract more than Brannstrom and Brown. Both those guys have not proven to be NHL worthy yet. Or may never be. Strome is an NHL player, and Beaudin has proved he can play. I’d throw in a lesser prospect like Demin or Allen instead. There’s just no way a sweetener like Beaudin should be thrown in. There’s really no need for a sweetener here!!!
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 11:35:33 GMT -6
Strome has one year left at $3 M, and then he is arbitration eligible. If he has a good year, he is almost certainly gone one way or the other (similar to Pius Suter). Bowman will not likely be giving this player a raise.
My guess is that Ottawa is lukewarm on Strome and likely wants more for Brannstrom (who still has real potential). Beaudin is a better prospect at this point than Brown, but not at Brannstrom's level.
If Ottawa throws in a draft pick (ie a 3rd or 4th), I make the deal if I am Bowman.
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Post by BigT on Aug 15, 2021 12:54:45 GMT -6
Strome has one year left at $3 M, and then he is arbitration eligible. If he has a good year, he is almost certainly gone one way or the other (similar to Pius Suter). Bowman will not likely be giving this player a raise. My guess is that Ottawa is lukewarm on Strome and likely wants more for Brannstrom (who still has real potential). Beaudin is a better prospect at this point than Brown, but not at Brannstrom's level. If Ottawa throws in a draft pick (ie a 3rd or 4th), I make the deal if I am Bowman. I don’t believe Brannstrom is a better prospect at this point. Their numbers are close to the same. Brannstrom has 17 points in 63 NHL games (2 goals). Beaudin has played 20 games and has 6 points (2 goals). So I think if you pro rated Beaudin to another half season, he’d at least have 17 points if not more. Beaudin is a plus 1 over his NHL career. Brannstrom is -6. Both on bad teams. Personally I wouldn’t trade Beaudin for Brannstrom. Let alone Strome. I’d want a little more back. Maybe a 2nd would help out. Brannstrom is not any better than Beaudin. And Brown is a throw in. I think it’s best to hold on to Beaudin at this point. He’s showed good poise and speed. I think he’ll be a good player. Brannstrom looks weak and powerless vs NHL players. I’m all for trading Strome. It saves some money. But I’d rather see if I could get a 3rd and Brown for him. Just keep it at that!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 15, 2021 15:43:21 GMT -6
Strome has one year left at $3 M, and then he is arbitration eligible. If he has a good year, he is almost certainly gone one way or the other (similar to Pius Suter). Bowman will not likely be giving this player a raise. My guess is that Ottawa is lukewarm on Strome and likely wants more for Brannstrom (who still has real potential). Beaudin is a better prospect at this point than Brown, but not at Brannstrom's level. If Ottawa throws in a draft pick (ie a 3rd or 4th), I make the deal if I am Bowman. I don’t believe Brannstrom is a better prospect at this point. Their numbers are close to the same. Brannstrom has 17 points in 63 NHL games (2 goals). Beaudin has played 20 games and has 6 points (2 goals). So I think if you pro rated Beaudin to another half season, he’d at least have 17 points if not more. Beaudin is a plus 1 over his NHL career. Brannstrom is -6. Both on bad teams. Personally I wouldn’t trade Beaudin for Brannstrom. Let alone Strome. I’d want a little more back. Maybe a 2nd would help out. Brannstrom is not any better than Beaudin. And Brown is a throw in. I think it’s best to hold on to Beaudin at this point. He’s showed good poise and speed. I think he’ll be a good player. Brannstrom looks weak and powerless vs NHL players. I’m all for trading Strome. It saves some money. But I’d rather see if I could get a 3rd and Brown for him. Just keep it at that!!! Yeah I wouldn't trade Beaudin, he's been progressing every year since he was drafted. I'd trade Strome for Brown and a 3rd. Strome isn't a bottom 6 player and he made it clear he doesn't want to play on the wing, Brown can play center or wing and he's better suited for the bottom 6, with top6 potential.
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Post by madhawksfan on Aug 15, 2021 18:06:16 GMT -6
So some of you seem to be taking what I said the wrong way. I'm not saying we can't discuss mistakes of the FO, I apologized if it came off that way, what point I am trying to get across, is that lets get excited we actually have a shot to do something this year, so instead of being mad about the moves the last few years (which I agree, a lot of bad moves) let's be happy we have a chance this year. Whether we used trade/free agency to get here, oh well, I'm just hoping we surprise some ppl and make a deep run. And honestly I think Kane and Toews will finish there careers here, I think both would take a pay cut if they had to just to finish it off here,cuz Toews definitely will need to take a pay cut, but Kane should too IMO, even though he's still one of the best offensive players in the league, I still think he'll take a little less then he'd get if he went somewhere else to stay here.... We'll see though right, only time will tell. I do hope I'm right though. And thanks for the welcomes I'm glad to be here, I'm 36, been a die hard fan since I was 5, used to play with BUFF in Brandon back in the day and just love hockey.
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 19:23:08 GMT -6
To me, Beaudin tops out as a solid number three/four (i.e Johnny Oduya). Brannstrom will never be a star, but he could be a number 1b type (Brian Campbell). He has more offence to his game.
Still, I'd be ok with Brown and a 3rd for Strome. I like Strome, but he longer fits here considering his skillset. To achieve max potential, he needs first unit powerplay minutes feeding saucers to the star players.
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Post by BigT on Aug 15, 2021 19:56:49 GMT -6
To me, Beaudin tops out as a solid number three/four (i.e Johnny Oduya). Brannstrom will never be a star, but he could be a number 1b type (Brian Campbell). He has more offence to his game. Still, I'd be ok with Brown and a 3rd for Strome. I like Strome, but he longer fits here considering his skillset. To achieve max potential, he needs first unit powerplay minutes feeding saucers to the star players. I gotta say. I love your proposals and the way you back them up. Always good to have you here. What are your thoughts on the teams complete 180? Last year we were talking about Zadorov being some kind of generational crusher. Now we’re talking about Seth Jones. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the Hawks change of plans!!!
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 20:36:38 GMT -6
I have liked this off-season much like I liked most of the moves made in the post John McD. era.
Perhaps Bowman's hands had been tied by a meddling marketing guru, and we were laying blame in the wrong direction. Whatever the case, the general manager seems to have learned something and is finally heading the team the right way.
There seems to be a whole new approach to drafting and developing players, a renewed focus on the CHL and on larger physical players.
I believe you need three stud defencemen and two big two-way centres to be competitive. A good goalie also helps a great deal. This is where most of the money should be spent always.
With Seth Jones now locked in, the team has one very good one on the backend. Toews and Dach will be here for the next several years. If one of the young kids on defence can emerge this year, I like the Hawks to be in the playoff mix next April.
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Post by mvr on Aug 15, 2021 20:59:39 GMT -6
Re Zadorov.
I was disappointed to see him go. Unfortunately, he just does not seem to be able to get it together. If he could focus, he would be so valuable.
The issue became about money. You can't pay for potential. Zadorov's play last year did not justify the raise he is going to receive. Right now, he is a third pairing guy who will earn the cap hit of a number three defenceman.
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Post by Tater on Aug 15, 2021 22:29:53 GMT -6
Re Zadorov. I was disappointed to see him go. Unfortunately, he just does not seem to be able to get it together. If he could focus, he would be so valuable. The issue became about money. You can't pay for potential. Zadorov's play last year did not justify the raise he is going to receive. Right now, he is a third pairing guy who will earn the cap hit of a number three defenceman. Nice assessment. Is there a timeline for his arbitration? Just curious what he ends up getting.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 15, 2021 22:57:15 GMT -6
Re Zadorov. I was disappointed to see him go. Unfortunately, he just does not seem to be able to get it together. If he could focus, he would be so valuable. The issue became about money. You can't pay for potential. Zadorov's play last year did not justify the raise he is going to receive. Right now, he is a third pairing guy who will earn the cap hit of a number three defenceman. Nice assessment. Is there a timeline for his arbitration? Just curious what he ends up getting. His hearing is august 26th, which is the last day of arbitration. Yes...it'll be interesting alright.
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Post by madhawksfan on Aug 16, 2021 7:08:17 GMT -6
Nice assessment. Is there a timeline for his arbitration? Just curious what he ends up getting. His hearing is august 26th, which is the last day of arbitration. Yes...it'll be interesting alright. Wow, well said, I feel the exact same way about zadorov. He is just potential and no where near the salary he's trying to get. I saw him make so many little mistakes last year, and all of them in the front of the net giving up goals and quality scoring chances, you just can't play like that and still consider yourself a top 4 defenseman.
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Post by BigT on Aug 16, 2021 9:54:54 GMT -6
I have liked this off-season much like I liked most of the moves made in the post John McD. era. Perhaps Bowman's hands had been tied by a meddling marketing guru, and we were laying blame in the wrong direction. Whatever the case, the general manager seems to have learned something and is finally heading the team the right way. There seems to be a whole new approach to drafting and developing players, a renewed focus on the CHL and on larger physical players. I believe you need three stud defencemen and two big two-way centres to be competitive. A good goalie also helps a great deal. This is where most of the money should be spent always. With Seth Jones now locked in, the team has one very good one on the backend. Toews and Dach will be here for the next several years. If one of the young kids on defence can emerge this year, I like the Hawks to be in the playoff mix next April. Sooooooo, you’re saying it’ll be another failure? Just kidding. I’m not liking the overall team. And I don’t think I can make excuses of McD due to everything worked fine when Q the as here. He basically ran the ship. I don’t think McD or Scambo liked that. Rumours start because someone has said something. If it’s a baseless rumour by a fan, it’ll fall away quickly and never return. There were rumours of McD wanting too much say in hockey operations. They never died and then Q was fired. A year later McD was gone. Many mistakes happened along the way and many more continue. The downgrading of the Panera trade to a 3rd rounder should get someone fired. Now, I fully understand you’re not gonna win every trade. But never winning a trade is another thing. Jones camp said he only wanted Chicago. So to give up 3 high picks for him and also have to pay him 9.5 is really a lot to give up. I’d almost rather have Hamilton at that price. At least you keep the picks. Jones last 3 seasons he’s been trending down in every category. Maybe it changes in Chicago? All I know is Scambo has made many different changes and 95% have failed. Also, we’ve seen when too much turnover occurs. It usually doesn’t work out well for any team. Does Scambo give up on it if it doesn’t? He doesn’t give teams long enough to gel. Plus we now get to the coaching. The coaching is 2nd to everyone. It’s been minor league at best. Does the coaching finally figure it out? If Jones has to chase guys out to the blue line, it’s not gonna end well. JC reminds me of Scambo. Both are inexperienced and just don’t have “it”. There’s also a lot of things that need to go right. Is Toews gonna be Toews? Is Gaudette gonna be the player they want him to be? Will Dach take a step forward and prove he’s an NHL centerman? Is Johnson still the player he once was? He’s two years removed from a decent role with a top team. Will the defense look any better? Or is it better? Too many questions to declare anything yet. I will admit it looks better on paper, but Scambo had 20+ million a couple years back and blew it on injured and guys who were in a downward trend. I see similarities again. Hope I’m wrong this time, I really do. Toews and Kane are winding down and there’s not much meat left on the bone!!!
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Post by Tater on Aug 16, 2021 10:22:47 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 16, 2021 10:46:23 GMT -6
If he doesn't fit he can be waived to Rockford, if he's taken 🤷♂️
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Post by BigT on Aug 16, 2021 10:49:55 GMT -6
This has to be his last kick at the puck. He’s not proven much and the few goals he does get are in lopsided games. Like where the Hawks are losing 5-0 and he gets a goal on a pp that meant nothing. Or he gets the 4th or 5th goal in a 5-2 win. So he’s a guy that even if he scored 20. You wouldn’t really miss his offense as he’s invisible for the most part and his production comes at times that it’s not really needed!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 16, 2021 11:46:13 GMT -6
So some of you seem to be taking what I said the wrong way. I'm not saying we can't discuss mistakes of the FO, I apologized if it came off that way, what point I am trying to get across, is that lets get excited we actually have a shot to do something this year, so instead of being mad about the moves the last few years (which I agree, a lot of bad moves) let's be happy we have a chance this year. Whether we used trade/free agency to get here, oh well, I'm just hoping we surprise some ppl and make a deep run. And honestly I think Kane and Toews will finish there careers here, I think both would take a pay cut if they had to just to finish it off here,cuz Toews definitely will need to take a pay cut, but Kane should too IMO, even though he's still one of the best offensive players in the league, I still think he'll take a little less then he'd get if he went somewhere else to stay here.... We'll see though right, only time will tell. I do hope I'm right though. And thanks for the welcomes I'm glad to be here, I'm 36, been a die hard fan since I was 5, used to play with BUFF in Brandon back in the day and just love hockey. I don't, but if we do make a good wave I'll be happy to eat crow. As I've mentioned before I don't see the depth with this team in any area except goaltender. We have great pieces but not the complete package or even a critical mass of players like in 2015 who could mask the issues of the not-so-good ones. Being the team sport hockey that it is I see way too many holes which may only be covered by running key players roughshod (many of those players on the wrong side of 30)--and by the time the playoffs come about they'll likely be gassed like in 2016. There are a ton of things which need to go right for the 'hawks to do something other than be one-and-done. Fleury has to repeat his excellent previous season (something he hasn't done since 2015 and 2016). Lankinen needs to continue developing. Jones needs a bounceback season. McCabe needs to be healthy. Murph needs to be solid and soak up tough minutes--likely when pared with a scrub. DeHaan needs to not suck like Monica Lewinsky at a White House Christmas dinner. Mitchell/Beaudin/Nyuk need to keep their development on track even though they'll be asked to step up their games. Toews needs to come back healthy and at the level he was in the play-in and knock off the rust ASAFP. Debrincat needs to repeat his previous year. Kane needs to be Kane and can't have an off year in any aspect of his game (i.e. no repeat of 2018 where he didn't play defense at all). Kubalik needs to play for his next paycheck. Hagel needs to not be a flash in the pan and come back the same or better. Strome and Dach need to learn how to win a faceoff. Nylander needs to play like he wants to play and not be riding on Daddy's coattails, Johnson needs a bounceback season, and JC needs a defensive game plan that the players can actually execute, and the players need full buy-in on the system. I don't foresee all of that happening. It may be too easy to shut down a critical aspect of our game plan or exploit a weakness where the 'hawks will not be able to mitigate it, and in the end we may be nothing more than a one-and-done team.
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Post by BigT on Aug 16, 2021 12:11:05 GMT -6
I threw some negativity. So now I’ll shed some light. While I whole heartedly agree with Lordy. I will say maybe if they get rid of Stromes contract, and Shaws LTIR opens up. They could get some extra depth. Whether that be a top line player, that slots Kubalik a little lower. Or if they can, add in a couple nice 3rd liners and move our 3rd liners to the 4th line and have actual depth. There are possibilities. Not sure if this is on the menu at the time. But……. I think there’s absolutely no point in allowing cap space to go unspent with all the recent moves. So I can see the Hawks adding a few pieces as the year goes on!!!
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