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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2021 20:51:32 GMT -6
that time has arrived.
let's all debate what the brass will do.
who will they trade? who will they sign? who will they pick?
discuss!
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Post by tincup on May 10, 2021 21:25:10 GMT -6
that time has arrived. let's all debate what the brass will do. who will they trade? who will they sign? who will they pick? discuss! Good idea to start this, it’ll keep us invested for awhile. I’ll have to ruminate on this for a bit. |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2021 22:50:38 GMT -6
that time has arrived. let's all debate what the brass will do. who will they trade? who will they sign? who will they pick? discuss! Good idea to start this, it’ll keep us invested for awhile. I’ll have to ruminate on this for a bit. same. first order of business will be the lottery. I guess looking over the roster to see who we want to re-sign as well. |
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Post by Tater on May 11, 2021 1:55:37 GMT -6
I'd like to see de Haan, Bo, Nylander, Strome and Smith gone for starters. I guess a lot depends on how healthy Dach and Toews are. I'm sure Dach will be fine, but Toews, it's possible we may never see him play again.
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Post by hsbob on May 11, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -6
I'd like to see de Haan, Bo, Nylander, Strome and Smith gone for starters. I guess a lot depends on how healthy Dach and Toews are. I'm sure Dach will be fine, but Toews, it's possible we may never see him play again. Smith(kudos for remembering him)is done this year BUT Connelly will fill his role nicely the next two years and for only 250K more. Borgstrom HAS to be a starting center in the NHL next year for anybody to say we fleeced Florida......they look okay. They can get rid of the guys you mentioned and a few more too but that's addition by subtraction.....okay for a rebuild though. I still don't know what to make of JT's situation but I hope Dreger knows what he's talking about when he predicted a return next year. Moving de HAAN in this cap climate will take a miracle or a shit ton of sweetener. Dach's wrist flaring up late is a concern but a long offseason should help. The FO has to decide if this year's draft is a better opportunity to acquire picks or wait till next year's depending on the talent coming out and then acquire those picks. Clone Alex DeBrincat or at least extend him now.........there's no looking back for this kid. He excels regardless of linemates or situation,he'll just take the puck from an opponent and skate in and beat a goaltender now and make it look easy because it is for him. |
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 7:36:08 GMT -6
I'd like to see de Haan, Bo, Nylander, Strome and Smith gone for starters. I guess a lot depends on how healthy Dach and Toews are. I'm sure Dach will be fine, but Toews, it's possible we may never see him play again. My worry is they trade Strome for next to nothing. Then that trade is a total bust. My other fear is trading Zadorov for nothing. Honestly how much can a team take of losing assets for nothing? Every trade never works out. At what point does the org just stop him? It’s not stans fault he’s awful at his job. It’s his employer. But it doesn’t mean he should keep on failing. Maybe Stan needs to listen more to those around him? It also doesn’t help that Stan has gotten rid of everyone that may have a decent way around him. He just got rid of his assistant GM, and literally hired a bunch of younger kids who won’t question him. He’s a narcissist that is trying to gain total control. Buyer beware. It really doesn’t matter who they draft or who they trade for. They look like they’ve ruined Dach, Boqvist looks like a total keeper for the AHL. Failures all around. This is why you need people that have played the game. No offense to Stan. But he just doesn’t understand what a young hockey player needs. Cuz he was never one. It’s the same as a hockey player running a Fortune 500 company just cuz their dad did so. And you give them free reign to run it their way. I see no change in product until Scam Bowman is destroyed. Possibly biggest fraud in sports history!!! |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 11, 2021 13:59:42 GMT -6
Seems like a lot hinges on whether Toews will return. If he doesn't, then I'd hang on to Strome for sure. I assume that Borgstrom is likely to be 2/3 center; maybe even 1 if Toews hangs them up. Other than that, the Hawks have a logjam of 3rd and 4th liners and not enough top 6 players. My guess is that Suter will get packaged with a few other players, maybe even Bo to get a pick or prospect.
The only prospect to clear emerge from the 20-21 rookie fest is Hagel. Lankinen is not an obvious starter. Kurashev and Kalynuk probably did well enough to warrant another look. It's hard to say where Gaudette fits in into all of this. I am willing to bet that Nylander will get a shot. I am also hoping that Zadorov stays. At some point the Hawks need to settle on their personnel and embark on team-building, which is hard to do when you're constantly rotating players and bringing new ones via trades.
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 14:03:58 GMT -6
I thought the Hawks already announced that Toews will return for next season? I’ll try and find the link!!!
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 14:06:22 GMT -6
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 11, 2021 14:48:57 GMT -6
That's good news, although I still think that there's an element of uncertainty here. I assume that Dach will be healthy as well, so the Hawks can ship off Suter and Strome, although I kind of like Strome. I'd give him another chance. |
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 14:53:10 GMT -6
That's good news, although I still think that there's an element of uncertainty here. I assume that Dach will be healthy as well, so the Hawks can ship off Suter and Strome, although I kind of like Strome. I'd give him another chance. I think you’re right. They have to give strome another chance. Suter is ok, but does he really have that much more to give? He’s what 24, gonna be 25? I don’t know. I think he may be nearing the top of his mark. So. I’d like to see a top 6 to start the year of Toews, Kane, Gaudette. Dach, Dcat, Kubalik. I’d leave the line for 10 games and see where that gets. But, the D is of main concern. Not many actually play D. So either one of Mitchell, Boqvist or Beaudin will not be there. I think Kalynuk earned another look. So something has to give here!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 11, 2021 14:57:10 GMT -6
Guys I'd like to see moved are de Haan, Boqvist, Connelly, and Kampf.
Maybe offer Boqvist to Seattle to take de Haan in the expansion draft.
Connelly and Kampf are solid defenders but with Entwistle and Hardman showing they belong that 4+ million should be moved.
Ristolainen wants out of Buffalo so I'd try and get him as the top2 righty, Murphy and Mitchell/Regula can fight for the other 2 spots.
I like Zadorov but it looks like the lefties are Kalynuk, Keith, Stillman, Beaudin. So I'm not sure where Z fits unless they move one of those 4.
It's gonna be a long couple months waiting for the draft, hopefully it's worth the wait. Especially if they get in the top5 and get Hughes or Powers.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 11, 2021 15:39:54 GMT -6
That's good news, although I still think that there's an element of uncertainty here. I assume that Dach will be healthy as well, so the Hawks can ship off Suter and Strome, although I kind of like Strome. I'd give him another chance. I think you’re right. They have to give strome another chance. Suter is ok, but does he really have that much more to give? He’s what 24, gonna be 25? I don’t know. I think he may be nearing the top of his mark. So. I’d like to see a top 6 to start the year of Toews, Kane, Gaudette. Dach, Dcat, Kubalik. I’d leave the line for 10 games and see where that gets. But, the D is of main concern. Not many actually play D. So either one of Mitchell, Boqvist or Beaudin will not be there. I think Kalynuk earned another look. So something has to give here!!! It doesn't seem like he does. On an offensively stacked team, he could provide a bit of secondary scoring, around 20g/yr, but he's not a bona fide top 6; he just doesn't create enough on his own. I like the idea of giving Gaudette a fair chance. He's young, seems to work hard, so we can be optimistic about him. What about Borgrstrom? Line 3 center? |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 11, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -6
Dreger said that night he heard from someone close to the Hawks who is close to JT..... In other words 3rd hand rumors. I'll wait till JT himself says he's coming back. Till then, the Hawks should move forward as if he isn't coming back. |
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 15:49:55 GMT -6
I think you’re right. They have to give strome another chance. Suter is ok, but does he really have that much more to give? He’s what 24, gonna be 25? I don’t know. I think he may be nearing the top of his mark. So. I’d like to see a top 6 to start the year of Toews, Kane, Gaudette. Dach, Dcat, Kubalik. I’d leave the line for 10 games and see where that gets. But, the D is of main concern. Not many actually play D. So either one of Mitchell, Boqvist or Beaudin will not be there. I think Kalynuk earned another look. So something has to give here!!! It doesn't seem like he does. On an offensively stacked team, he could provide a bit of secondary scoring, around 20g/yr, but he's not a bona fide top 6; he just doesn't create enough on his own. I like the idea of giving Gaudette a fair chance. He's young, seems to work hard, so we can be optimistic about him. What about Borgrstrom? Line 3 center? That’s probably my thoughts. I really think Kampf has to go. I’d rather give 3rd line duties to Dach at this point and let him move up. He and Strome should be interchangeable there. I’d like to see this....... 1) Toews 2) Dach/Strome 3) Strome/Dach 4) Carpenter/Borgstrom. I think this would be the better way to go. We’ve seen what happens when guys are given positions instead of having them earned. I’d rather let all of them earn their way up. Force them to force you to play them more!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 11, 2021 16:05:52 GMT -6
Dreger said that night he heard from someone close to the Hawks who is close to JT..... In other words 3rd hand rumors. I'll wait till JT himself says he's coming back. Till then, the Hawks should move forward as if he isn't coming back. Dregs is very reliable. I don’t think he’s put that out there. My best guess is someone high up like Stan told him. It may also have GMs call him about trading him. I just think Toews wants his legacy, but not on a rebuilding team. He owns that dressing room. He probably doesn’t want to go, but it may be his only option. Something is rotten here. Unless Toews has a debilitating disease. I don’t see how they haven’t said more on him. He gave updates on Seabs, Smith, Shaw etc. But one of the best to ever be a Hawk, we get absolutely nothing. When Stan was asked about the “internet rumours” (possible leukaemia, ALS etc) Stan laughed and no, there’s absolutely no truth to that. So something is weird!!! |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 11, 2021 17:54:55 GMT -6
How 'bout Vinnie: does he stay or does he go? It's a small sample, but he chipped in 12pts (4g, 8a) in 17 games. Project that over a full season, and we are talking about 19g and 57pts. Even if that's unduly optimistic, I can still see him with 15gls and maybe about 45pts, which is not unrealistic for him. So, we have Hagel, Vinnie, Kurashev, Carpenter, Kampf, Connelly, Nylander, Entwhistle, and Hardman vying for the bottom six.
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Post by hsbob on May 11, 2021 18:14:35 GMT -6
How 'bout Vinnie: does he stay or does he go? It's a small sample, but he chipped in 12pts (4g, 8a) in 17 games. Project that over a full season, and we are talking about 19g and 57pts. Even if that's unduly optimistic, I can still see him with 15gls and maybe about 45pts, which is not unrealistic for him. So, we have Hagel, Vinnie, Kurashev, Carpenter, Kampf, Connelly, Nylander, Entwhistle, and Hardman vying for the bottom six. VH had 61pts the two years before this one so I don't see his numbers here as that surprising. I'm not saying we'll see his current pace but I'll gladly take a hard working,lead by example 30 point guy who can play up and down the lineup. Most of the goals he's scored since he's been back are good individual plays and some of his set-ups have been BEAUTS. The team is full of space(among other things....LOL)and they can use a bit of continuity........I'd give the local kid a raise to 1.5M if he'd agree to a 3 year deal......he'll never hurt ya! |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 11, 2021 18:46:02 GMT -6
How 'bout Vinnie: does he stay or does he go? It's a small sample, but he chipped in 12pts (4g, 8a) in 17 games. Project that over a full season, and we are talking about 19g and 57pts. Even if that's unduly optimistic, I can still see him with 15gls and maybe about 45pts, which is not unrealistic for him. that's a good question. of his 4 goals, they were assisted by dach (2), kampf, hardman, hagel, kalynuk, beaudin and zaddy. his 8 assists were on goals by kubs (2), keith, hagel, strome, kalynuk, suter and kane. so....of the 12 goals he was involved in, kane had a hand in only one and if you add kubalik's 2 then 3 of his 12 points were helped by premiere goal scorers. the other 9 were just low scorers, mostly first year players. i think that says a lot. 12 pts. in 17 games would've looked good even if he was skating on a line with kane full time. it looks even better that he did it in 3rd or 4th line duty mostly. and one more thing worth mentioning....all his points were even strength. i think you have to offer him a one year deal. i'm not sure i'd offer a 2 year deal though. i think with a guy like vinnie you have to keep him hungry to get the maximum out of him. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 11, 2021 18:49:47 GMT -6
I think you’re right. They have to give strome another chance. Suter is ok, but does he really have that much more to give? He’s what 24, gonna be 25? I don’t know. I think he may be nearing the top of his mark. So. I’d like to see a top 6 to start the year of Toews, Kane, Gaudette. Dach, Dcat, Kubalik. I’d leave the line for 10 games and see where that gets. But, the D is of main concern. Not many actually play D. So either one of Mitchell, Boqvist or Beaudin will not be there. I think Kalynuk earned another look. So something has to give here!!! What about Borgrstrom? Line 3 center? well, he's signed at least. |
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Post by tincup on May 11, 2021 19:18:52 GMT -6
What about Borgrstrom? Line 3 center? well, he's signed at least. Bet they promised him a spot. Guess now we’ll see. To me he’s hardly a prospect at this point and more of a mature Euro guy more along the likes of a Kubalik or Suter. |
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Post by mvr on May 12, 2021 8:24:22 GMT -6
I look forward to seeing how Bowman manages the expansion protection list.
Given the recent signing, Borgstrom is likely to be protected, as will Toews, Kane, Debrincat and Hagel. Keith, Stillman and Murphy will also be kept.
I believe there is no need to protect Strome given the generous size of his contract next year ($3.6 M). My guess is that the Kraken pass on him, and then Bowman attempts to trade him. Similarly, Zadorov also could be exposed. He is not likely to be drafted by an expansion team because of his uncertain contract expectations (and the fact that he is so close to UFA status).
The Hawks presently have two protection spots available at forward. One is likely to go to Nylander. The other would likely be Gaudette or Kampf, though I would not feel any great need to protect either.
Perhaps Bowman attempts to make a trade before the draft with a team overloaded at forward. Trade chips could include Zadorov, Strome or any number of the futures.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 12, 2021 9:52:13 GMT -6
Even after they set their protected list, Kane, Toews, Keith are automatic with their NMC contracts.
They need to figure which other 5. Lanks is one as goalie?
D-cat, Kubby, Hagel 3 others. That leaves 1 more to protect.
After that, it doesn't matter who the Krackheads take.
EDIT: I forgot that ELC's are also autoprotected.
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Post by tincup on May 12, 2021 9:59:31 GMT -6
I look forward to seeing how Bowman manages the expansion protection list. Given the recent signing, Borgstrom is likely to be protected, as will Toews, Kane, Debrincat and Hagel. Keith, Stillman and Murphy will also be kept. I believe there is no need to protect Strome given the generous size of his contract next year ($3.6 M). My guess is that the Kraken pass on him, and then Bowman attempts to trade him. Similarly, Zadorov also could be exposed. He is not likely to be drafted by an expansion team because of his uncertain contract expectations (and the fact that he is so close to UFA status). The Hawks presently have two protection spots available at forward. One is likely to go to Nylander. The other would likely be Gaudette or Kampf, though I would not feel any great need to protect either. Perhaps Bowman attempts to make a trade before the draft with a team overloaded at forward. Trade chips could include Zadorov, Strome or any number of the futures. So if Borgstrom would have remained unsigned until after July 21 they wouldn’t need to protect him and could have left themselves another spot? Or would they have had to protect him either way? |
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Post by mvr on May 12, 2021 10:47:11 GMT -6
My understanding is that they have to protect any player who has completed his entry level contract (which means basically any player who signed their original contract three years ago or more).
Borgstrom and Stillman both qualify as potential Kraken picks. This is why Florida did not hesitate to trade these players. They do not have the spots to protect them.
The Hawks have plenty of spots at forward left - especially if Bowman does not intend to protect one or more of Strome, Gaudette, Nylander or Kampf.
Kubalik - as I understand the rules - remains exempt.
Many of the playoff-bound teams have good players they cannot protect. In a few weeks, they will lose these players for nothing. Some others still might need players to qualify for exposure. We have spots to protect and players who qualify to expose.
My feeling is that Bowman should be able to find better quality players to protect through the trade market (without spending much).
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Post by Tater on May 12, 2021 11:26:58 GMT -6
If they waste a protection slot on Nylander, it's likely that I will snap.
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Post by BigT on May 12, 2021 12:36:32 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR!
The Sabres are looking to clean house. If the Hawks are in full rebuild mode like most of us feel they’re gonna be no matter what. But if they’re open to becoming better over the next year or two. Sam Reinhart has said he wants out at all costs. He’s a guy I think solidifies the top 6 and gives massive depth as other guys get pushed down. H currently makes 5 million and will be due a raise as he put up 25 goals and 40 points this year on a totally derailed team. He’s only 25 and could probably be that Sharp type player we desire. He’s RFA and will probably sign a long term deal!!!
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Post by BigT on May 12, 2021 12:42:21 GMT -6
Let’s say the Hawks end up with the 11 or 12 pick. I would ship that off with Boqvist for Reinhart. In this years draft. It’s too much of a craps shoot to get a decent player anywhere. Again if the Hawks are on a fast track to tank town. I do not do this type of deal. Personally, I feel it’s best to just start over!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 12, 2021 13:43:32 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR! The Sabres are looking to clean house. If the Hawks are in full rebuild mode like most of us feel they’re gonna be no matter what. But if they’re open to becoming better over the next year or two. Sam Reinhart has said he wants out at all costs. He’s a guy I think solidifies the top 6 and gives massive depth as other guys get pushed down. H currently makes 5 million and will be due a raise as he put up 25 goals and 40 points this year on a totally derailed team. He’s only 25 and could probably be that Sharp type player we desire. He’s RFA and will probably sign a long term deal!!! I'd do that, they wanna get younger so send them a former 8th overall pick in Boqvist in a package. They have a franchise lefty Swede to pair him with. I've mentioned a few times this season but I'd try and get big Ristolainen as well. |
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Post by BigT on May 12, 2021 14:15:54 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR! The Sabres are looking to clean house. If the Hawks are in full rebuild mode like most of us feel they’re gonna be no matter what. But if they’re open to becoming better over the next year or two. Sam Reinhart has said he wants out at all costs. He’s a guy I think solidifies the top 6 and gives massive depth as other guys get pushed down. H currently makes 5 million and will be due a raise as he put up 25 goals and 40 points this year on a totally derailed team. He’s only 25 and could probably be that Sharp type player we desire. He’s RFA and will probably sign a long term deal!!! I'd do that, they wanna get younger so send them a former 8th overall pick in Boqvist in a package. They have a franchise lefty Swede to pair him with. I've mentioned a few times this season but I'd try and get big Ristolainen as well. I do like the ideas. My questions are simple. What is really the orgs plan? If it is to rebuild and do it mostly from within, then 25 year old guys may not be the way. Another thing is for sure, if they keep JC and his stupid systems, they’ll never ever ever win with that shit. Even he has to know this. If Stan was any type of hickey guy, he’d tell him to cut that shit out and play some real gawd dam hockey. But I like the ideas, I’m just not sure if it’s worth talking about it stans plan is to gut this thing any further!!! |
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