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Post by hsbob on May 16, 2021 8:13:44 GMT -6
The mentorship value of past great champions vs the value of the return from trading said player or players is a fair debate.
Now that Seabs is or will be off the books(if not LTIR),Keith's money is basically nothing and he still brings value on the ice and in the mentorship dept. Makes sense in this instance.
IMO,the team decides which of K&T are a better mentor AND which of the two brings a better return and keeps the one better suited for the good of the team unless the return for both makes sense. Tewnty one million bucks is a lot for baby sitting!
I do think the mentorship of CC could of went a long way toward preparing Lankinen for the starter's role though. The team is flush with cap space and will be again next year,3-3.5M of it to give Lanks a solid vet to take some of the tough starts and to confide in might have been worth more that that.
I mentioned the clique that developed between the vets and the kids here a few years back but most of those involved are gone and maybe the GM or HC had something to do with that....who knows? We only know who took the blame......seems to be a tight room down in Sunrise!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 16, 2021 10:40:11 GMT -6
The mentorship value of past great champions vs the value of the return from trading said player or players is a fair debate. Now that Seabs is or will be off the books(if not LTIR),Keith's money is basically nothing and he still brings value on the ice and in the mentorship dept. Makes sense in this instance. IMO,the team decides which of K&T are a better mentor AND which of the two brings a better return and keeps the one better suited for the good of the team unless the return for both makes sense. Tewnty one million bucks is a lot for baby sitting! I do think the mentorship of CC could of went a long way toward preparing Lankinen for the starter's role though. The team is flush with cap space and will be again next year,3-3.5M of it to give Lanks a solid vet to take some of the tough starts and to confide in might have been worth more that that. I mentioned the clique that developed between the vets and the kids here a few years back but most of those involved are gone and maybe the GM or HC had something to do with that....who knows? We only know who took the blame......seems to be a tight room down in Sunrise! As much as I've mentioned Keiths turnovers, yes the whole team is bad for it, but Keith is a Hawks legend so I've been hard on him but it's not his fault the GM hasn't found a top2 pair so Keith doesn't have to play as much, also doesn't help JC over plays him. But Keith needs to stay cause like you said, his contract is basically nothing, especially considering his leadership and work ethic. There's no need to make a huge decision on which one of Toews and Kane they'll move, hopefully Toews comes back and has a productive season then next trade deadline or off season make a choice. Sucks having another looong off season but all we can do is hope they make good moves and hopefully move up in the draft. |
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Post by acesandeights on May 16, 2021 11:16:34 GMT -6
OTH, I agree, let's hope we move up in the draft and that we didn't use up all our draft luck in the Dach draft. Just from a glance, it looked like there were 10-12 teams in front of the Hawks in the final lottery team standings.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 16, 2021 15:33:34 GMT -6
OTH, I agree, let's hope we move up in the draft and that we didn't use up all our draft luck in the Dach draft. Just from a glance, it looked like there were 10-12 teams in front of the Hawks in the final lottery team standings. If Calgary can win 2 of 3 vs Vancouver they jump ahead of Chicago in the standings, 🤞 Lets Go Flames. Not sure what their odds are of moving up but anything can happen, just look at the Oilers and their 4 first overall picks in a short period. Getting the 3rd pick to get Dach was a huge win, maybe they can get really lucky and get their second ever first overall pick 🤷‍♂️ |
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Post by BigT on May 16, 2021 15:46:25 GMT -6
I’m being realistic with where the Hawks pick. Moving up is great, but not from double digits. I see the Hawks picking 9-15. Probably not a game changer. Hopefully the Hawks can muster up an NHL player from this draft. It’s a weaker draft, and no one knows much. Next years draft looks a bit better and the 2023 draft is gonna be the “one” to tank for. So unless the Hawks get the 1st pick, moving up this year may not be that important!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 16, 2021 16:43:21 GMT -6
I agree with T in that the '22 and '23 drafts are both likely to be the ones to have a top top pick in. especially 2023.
however, two things about this draft make it different. first, because of the lack of junior hockey in Canada this year, there are gonna be players that could slide and be a steal. more than likely this plays out after the first round, though (imo). more important are the changes to the draft lotto. the new "red wing" rules begin both this year and next. starting this year, only the top two spots are lotto eligible. then, starting next year, teams will not be able to move up more than ten spots. the big one, though, is that starting next year a team cannot win the lotto more than twice in a five year period. however, anything before 2022 doesn't count. thus, if there was ever a year to win the lotto, this is it!
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Post by BigT on May 16, 2021 19:06:53 GMT -6
I agree with T in that the '22 and '23 drafts are both likely to be the ones to have a top top pick in. especially 2023. however, two things about this draft make it different. first, because of the lack of junior hockey in Canada this year, there are gonna be players that could slide and be a steal. more than likely this plays out after the first round, though (imo). more important are the changes to the draft lotto. the new "red wing" rules begin both this year and next. starting this year, only the top two spots are lotto eligible. then, starting next year, teams will not be able to move up more than ten spots. the big one, though, is that starting next year a team cannot win the lotto more than twice in a five year period. however, anything before 2022 doesn't count. thus, if there was ever a year to win the lotto, this is it! Regardless of what happens. There’s a couple really good dmen in this years draft I’d like to see the Hawks target. Obviously Power is the one we’d all want, but let’s be realistic. Simon Edvinsson is a realistic target and probably will go around 6-9. He’s 6’4” and 200. He seems like a franchise type dman. He won’t be ready for a couple years, but that’s exactly what you need to rebuild. By then Boqvist should be retired from injuries, and he could take his spot! Next would be Brandt Clarke. He’s 6’2” and 190. Reminds me a lot of Doughty. He’s ranked also in the 7-10 slot. He and Edvinsson were both on display at the under 18’s. Clarke was amazing there. He looks to be a really good dman. He’s very offensive but has a tough side to him. These should be the Hawks realistic targets. It’s clear the defensemen they drafted aren’t gonna be top 2 dmen, maybe top 3. We need a top pairing dman bad. The last few drafts so far have been more of a bust. Until they prove otherwise, can’t call them a success. So the org needs to use drafts like this to take the best defenseman available. Just like when they took Seabs. That’s what I’d do. I think it’s the smartest way forward!!! |
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Post by vonbeck on May 16, 2021 19:35:41 GMT -6
BigT said... "Simon Edvinsson is a realistic target and probably will go around 6-9. He’s 6’4” and 200."
Could not agree more! The kid has size and can skate. Which is the way of modern hockey today, especially D-men. Great pick if we can get him.
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Post by acesandeights on May 16, 2021 20:06:35 GMT -6
I've looked at two mock drafts and the Hawks ended up at 13, by points, among the lottery teams but actually moving to 12 since Ariz. forfeited their pick at 12. I had forgotten about that.
Both mocks had the Hawks taking Chaz Lucius from the USNTDP. Edvinsson went 3rd in one and 7th in the other.
Could there be scenarios where the Hawks could try to move up? Assuming they end up outside the top 10.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 16, 2021 20:40:00 GMT -6
I've looked at two mock drafts and the Hawks ended up at 13, by points, among the lottery teams but actually moving to 12 since Ariz. forfeited their pick at 12. I had forgotten about that. Both mocks had the Hawks taking Chaz Lucius from the USNTDP. Edvinsson went 3rd in one and 7th in the other. Could there be scenarios where the Hawks could try to move up? Assuming they end up outside the top 10. There's always scenarios, question will be do we have any assets to offer any team? And would those assets be someone we can't let go? Tough choices to be made by the FO. We can play armchair GM all we want, but half the time the other team is going to have to agree. |
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Post by vadarx on May 16, 2021 20:41:32 GMT -6
I've looked at two mock drafts and the Hawks ended up at 13, by points, among the lottery teams but actually moving to 12 since Ariz. forfeited their pick at 12. I had forgotten about that. Both mocks had the Hawks taking Chaz Lucius from the USNTDP. Edvinsson went 3rd in one and 7th in the other. Could there be scenarios where the Hawks could try to move up? Assuming they end up outside the top 10. yeah. I was gonna say something about Edvinsson. I've seen talks of him being a target of the wangs (shocker). so that should be one sign that he should be someone to look at. zero chance he or Brandt are there at 11/12, imo. edit: also, go Flames. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 16, 2021 20:41:56 GMT -6
I've looked at two mock drafts and the Hawks ended up at 13, by points, among the lottery teams but actually moving to 12 since Ariz. forfeited their pick at 12. I had forgotten about that. Both mocks had the Hawks taking Chaz Lucius from the USNTDP. Edvinsson went 3rd in one and 7th in the other. Could there be scenarios where the Hawks could try to move up? Assuming they end up outside the top 10. There's always scenarios, question will be do we have any assets to offer any team? And would those assets be someone we can't let go? Tough choices to be made by the FO. We can play armchair GM all we want, but half the time the other team is going to have to agree.that's the tricky part. |
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Post by BigT on May 16, 2021 20:54:12 GMT -6
I’ve been talking up dmen. But one guy that has fallen and was considered the slam dunk first overall this year is Finnish forward Aatu Raty. He played for Finland’s WJC team as a 16 year old. So if I don’t get one of the top Dmen. I’m going with Raty if he’s there!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 16, 2021 22:09:50 GMT -6
I’ve been talking up dmen. But one guy that has fallen and was considered the slam dunk first overall this year is Finnish forward Aatu Raty. He played for Finland’s WJC team as a 16 year old. So if I don’t get one of the top Dmen. I’m going with Raty if he’s there!!! nice. I've been thinking the same, tbh. he might be a guy that slides, as he had a poor season this past year. |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 6:45:23 GMT -6
I’ve been talking up dmen. But one guy that has fallen and was considered the slam dunk first overall this year is Finnish forward Aatu Raty. He played for Finland’s WJC team as a 16 year old. So if I don’t get one of the top Dmen. I’m going with Raty if he’s there!!! nice. I've been thinking the same, tbh. he might be a guy that slides, as he had a poor season this past year. It’s weird, cuz I can’t see a player sliding that much. But ya never know. He’s ranked outside the top ten as of now. There have been some places with him at 3. But the consensus for him is around 10 or later. Sometimes we forget these are just kids. He could have had a girlfriend that broke up with him and been out of sorts. He’s not superhuman. He’s literally a kid. So the one thing we know for sure is he has very high end skill. He has high potential to be a top player. So if he’s there, gotta take him. Plus the Flames won last night. Hawks could end up with a top 10 pick regardless!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 17, 2021 9:44:49 GMT -6
I’m being realistic with where the Hawks pick. Moving up is great, but not from double digits. I see the Hawks picking 9-15. Probably not a game changer. Hopefully the Hawks can muster up an NHL player from this draft. It’s a weaker draft, and no one knows much. Next years draft looks a bit better and the 2023 draft is gonna be the “one” to tank for. So unless the Hawks get the 1st pick, moving up this year may not be that important!!! It might not be the deepest draft but moving up is always good, whether it's by the lotto or trade, if they can get in the top 5 and get a dman like Powers or Hughes that'll be big for the franchise. Powers was the consensus #1 but now Hughes is being considered for the #1, the youngest and biggest of the 3 brothers. Hawks screwed up with their last #8 pick by not taking the much bigger Dobson or Bouchard, so hopefully if they get another high pick they don't waste it on a small dman, they have enough. |
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Post by jacksalmon on May 17, 2021 11:06:47 GMT -6
I’m being realistic with where the Hawks pick. Moving up is great, but not from double digits. I see the Hawks picking 9-15. Probably not a game changer. Hopefully the Hawks can muster up an NHL player from this draft. It’s a weaker draft, and no one knows much. Next years draft looks a bit better and the 2023 draft is gonna be the “one” to tank for. So unless the Hawks get the 1st pick, moving up this year may not be that important!!! Assuming you are correct that the 2023 draft will be the one to tank for, the Hawks will not have to tank as they will be as bad as they get in the league. The fact that the Wings and Sens came close to the Hawk point total this year tells me the Hawks will be moving in the right direction to get prime choices in the 2023 draft. In the meantime, the best thing they can do in the offseason is watch the NHL playoffs to see how good teams play the game. It is too hard for them to see how it is done when they are getting their butts whacked in actual games. From the recliner with a remote in hand, they can learn a lot from watching all those playoff games. They aren't going to get that education from their coaching staff, so the TV will be their best option for improvement. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 17, 2021 11:17:12 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to put this but it's the Hawks offseason now, Hagel and Beaudin were added to team Canada for the World Championships đź‘Ť
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 11:39:29 GMT -6
I’m being realistic with where the Hawks pick. Moving up is great, but not from double digits. I see the Hawks picking 9-15. Probably not a game changer. Hopefully the Hawks can muster up an NHL player from this draft. It’s a weaker draft, and no one knows much. Next years draft looks a bit better and the 2023 draft is gonna be the “one” to tank for. So unless the Hawks get the 1st pick, moving up this year may not be that important!!! It might not be the deepest draft but moving up is always good, whether it's by the lotto or trade, if they can get in the top 5 and get a dman like Powers or Hughes that'll be big for the franchise. Powers was the consensus #1 but now Hughes is being considered for the #1, the youngest and biggest of the 3 brothers. Hawks screwed up with their last #8 pick by not taking the much bigger Dobson or Bouchard, so hopefully if they get another high pick they don't waste it on a small dman, they have enough. If the rumours were right, and Stan was hoping for Quinn Hughes that year. Would Hughes have panned out here? It seems this is a graveyard for young talent. Kinda like the Coyotes, not many of any kids develop there. And they’ve had some high profile ones too. Strome, Duclair, Domi, and a litany of others. Just nothing seems to happen. The odd kid gets it but it’s always too little too late. So my point I guess is this. If Stan Bowman is untouchable, and he is to remain here as long as he wants. The best case scenario is to hit rock bottom where he can get a couple 1st overalls and have generational talents like Wright or Bedard or Mishkov. But there are a litany of good dmen this year that it’s hard to tell who’s the better one. But out of Power, Edvinsson, Hughes and Clarke all slated to go in the top ten. If any of them are there where the Hawks pick, You grab him. Clarke seems like the more logical to be there as Power and Hughes seem to be in the top 3 everywhere. Edvinsson is maybe top 5, more than likely around 7-8. Clarke it looks like will be 8-10. Now, just about all of them need more seasoning. No way does power play 30 games of NCAA and be NHL ready. I’d hope whomever takes him tells him to go to the OHL and get a ton of games in over 2 years and he’ll be ready by then. Hughes I’ve read is a phenomenal skater, better than Quinn, and he may be closer to NHL ready. But probably still a year of NCAA. All in all. There’s always a good players in every draft. 2023 has the high end kids of Mishkov and Bedard. So that pushes everyone down a couple spots. So the number 3-5 will also be pretty damn good!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 16:14:48 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to put this but it's the Hawks offseason now, Hagel and Beaudin were added to team Canada for the World Championships 👍 This is great for both of them. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Beaudin was by far the better of the young dmen. When he finally got PP time he looked very comfortable and helped produce a lot. Boqvist was out on Covidy stuff. Beaudin came in and just took off. Mitchell was ok. I don’t think he did too much to warrant Stan saying he could be the next Makar. But as of now, he looks like a decent mid to low pairing dman. At his age he should be better already. But Hagel got better playing in Europe last year, and he’s smart by playing more over there in the Worlds. I think Beaudin will surprise a lot. I was very encouraged with what I seen from him. Good on them for representing their country and getting some more ground to prove on!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 16:26:04 GMT -6
I’m being realistic with where the Hawks pick. Moving up is great, but not from double digits. I see the Hawks picking 9-15. Probably not a game changer. Hopefully the Hawks can muster up an NHL player from this draft. It’s a weaker draft, and no one knows much. Next years draft looks a bit better and the 2023 draft is gonna be the “one” to tank for. So unless the Hawks get the 1st pick, moving up this year may not be that important!!! Assuming you are correct that the 2023 draft will be the one to tank for, the Hawks will not have to tank as they will be as bad as they get in the league. The fact that the Wings and Sens came close to the Hawk point total this year tells me the Hawks will be moving in the right direction to get prime choices in the 2023 draft. In the meantime, the best thing they can do in the offseason is watch the NHL playoffs to see how good teams play the game. It is too hard for them to see how it is done when they are getting their butts whacked in actual games. From the recliner with a remote in hand, they can learn a lot from watching all those playoff games. They aren't going to get that education from their coaching staff, so the TV will be their best option for improvement.  I’m pretty sure if Toews is back, the Hawks will either make the playoffs or just miss them. Not a great place to be. This is why I keep saying that the Hawks need to poop or get off the pot. If this thing works half assed, and the Hawks make the playoffs and get put out in 5 games. Is it worth it? It only blinds you from the truth. Stan needs to really hit on one of his trades. He’s lost soooo many that it’s set this team back. He really needs the Borgstrom to become a top 2 centerman. Or else that trade really hurts. Connolly sucks, and makes too much. If Borgstrom doesn’t pan out as a top 2, that should be Bowman’s death knell!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 16:55:01 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this?
Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart.
Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically.
Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary.
The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him.
I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years.
Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!!
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2021 17:08:13 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this? Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart. Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically. Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary. The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him. I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!! Do we really see the Hawks having any interest in a guy who plays the way Tkachuk plays? |
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2021 17:12:40 GMT -6
Wasn't sure where to put this but it's the Hawks offseason now, Hagel and Beaudin were added to team Canada for the World Championships đź‘Ť Lotta vets didn't want to fly over this year. It's still a nice honor and good experience but Hagel's small frame took a lot of abuse this year already and Beaudin's frame is even smaller. I guess they should be okay on the BIG ice though. |
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Post by tincup on May 17, 2021 17:53:26 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this? Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart. Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically. Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary. The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him. I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!! So not saying I wouldn’t do it but wouldn’t that still leave the Hawks in no mans land, not good enough to win and not bad enough to get good picks? I think I’d still try to stick it out and rebuild through the draft rather than by trade. |
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Post by jacksalmon on May 17, 2021 18:31:30 GMT -6
Assuming you are correct that the 2023 draft will be the one to tank for, the Hawks will not have to tank as they will be as bad as they get in the league. The fact that the Wings and Sens came close to the Hawk point total this year tells me the Hawks will be moving in the right direction to get prime choices in the 2023 draft. In the meantime, the best thing they can do in the offseason is watch the NHL playoffs to see how good teams play the game. It is too hard for them to see how it is done when they are getting their butts whacked in actual games. From the recliner with a remote in hand, they can learn a lot from watching all those playoff games. They aren't going to get that education from their coaching staff, so the TV will be their best option for improvement. I’m pretty sure if Toews is back, the Hawks will either make the playoffs or just miss them. Not a great place to be. This is why I keep saying that the Hawks need to poop or get off the pot. If this thing works half assed, and the Hawks make the playoffs and get put out in 5 games. Is it worth it? It only blinds you from the truth. Stan needs to really hit on one of his trades. He’s lost soooo many that it’s set this team back. He really needs the Borgstrom to become a top 2 centerman. Or else that trade really hurts. Connolly sucks, and makes too much. If Borgstrom doesn’t pan out as a top 2, that should be Bowman’s death knell!!! Assuming that Toews is willing to be traded, how would it make any sense to keep him here in Chicago. There is nothing he can do with what the Hawks have that could justify keeping him given his age and trade value along with Kane's. Keeping those two guys will do nothing for the Hawks. They can't make the team a Cup winner. Their main value to the team's long term interest is what they could get in return in a trade. They already tried keeping and playing them and it does not accomplish anything worthwhile. They need to go, not because they do not have value, but because they do and they will not have enough support players to justify keeping them around. |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 19:51:37 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this? Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart. Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically. Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary. The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him. I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!! Do we really see the Hawks having any interest in a guy who plays the way Tkachuk plays? Sorry, I shoulda been clear. That was Calgary’s trade proposal for Eichel and Reinhart. I don’t know what to think. Having Toews Kane and Eichel and Dcat is very good to say the least. Eichel and Kane are good buddies. They’ve played at the worlds together and became really good friends. Not saying I’d 100% do it. But the guy is only 24. So you got a solid 6-7 great years outta him. I think he’s a game changer. If the org is pussyfooting around rebuilding, then I’d 100% do this. Cuz let’s be real. Before any 1st round pick we have makes a lick of difference, Toews and Kane will be a silhouette in the sunset. So if they’re going that route. It’ll be 10-15 years before they hit rock bottom and come out of it. Probably closer to 15. I think these rumours have been around for while due to Stan clearly saying last summer when he did his media tour around Chicago. He said he didn’t sign Crawford cuz he wanted cap space to either get a top player from a team with cap problems or for a top player that needed a change of scenery etc. So that’s when the Eichel rumours started. We’ll see if Stan stays the course or tries to rebuild quickly and go for it a couple more times before the duo is all done. I mean, when you got 3 time Cup champs, you probably should go for it. But that’s me!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 20:20:07 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this? Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart. Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically. Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary. The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him. I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!! So not saying I wouldn’t do it but wouldn’t that still leave the Hawks in no mans land, not good enough to win and not bad enough to get good picks? I think I’d still try to stick it out and rebuild through the draft rather than by trade. Here’s my two options. Either go for it, and put off a full rebuild for another 5 years. Or just tank now and trade everything of value and get younger players and a shit ton of picks. Now, when you tank, players tend to not wanna be around. So I’d think we’d lose Dcat before his next contract. What would be in it for him? There’s a great chance he’d be in the same exact situation as Eichel in a few years. So you have to prepare for that too. If you go for it. You’ve got a better chance at making money for the franchise and keeping your job. Look at the Pens, they keep going for it, retool for a year or two, then back at her. Clear out cap space and go for it. I’m good with either. I really am. I’m young enough to see it to fruition. But even Stan isnt stupid enough to think that Kurashev, Suter, Boqvist etc are gonna be the next wave of super stars and they’re gonna all be allstars here soon and lead this team to glory. They’re just place holders till someone better gets here. If Stan is that stupid. Then there will never be another Cup in the franchise. If Stan just keeps half assed rebuilding, the team will suffer greatly for a long time and you’ll see what Pully did for another 25 years till stan gets shit canned by Danny Wirtz’s son. And I don’t think I have that in me again to suffer through an idiotic regime. I’d rather be a Wings fan to be honest. But none of the kids drafted in the last couple years and the kids drafted in the next few years won’t really have any impact on the Hawks core guys that are here now. So keeping them is just plain stupid. They’ll keep you in the middle and ruin any shot at getting better. I think the Hawks will go for it one more time. I think Stan wants his fingerprints on his own Cup. Will he get there? I don’t think he’s good enough. But you gotta try!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 20:26:01 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure if Toews is back, the Hawks will either make the playoffs or just miss them. Not a great place to be. This is why I keep saying that the Hawks need to poop or get off the pot. If this thing works half assed, and the Hawks make the playoffs and get put out in 5 games. Is it worth it? It only blinds you from the truth. Stan needs to really hit on one of his trades. He’s lost soooo many that it’s set this team back. He really needs the Borgstrom to become a top 2 centerman. Or else that trade really hurts. Connolly sucks, and makes too much. If Borgstrom doesn’t pan out as a top 2, that should be Bowman’s death knell!!! Assuming that Toews is willing to be traded, how would it make any sense to keep him here in Chicago. There is nothing he can do with what the Hawks have that could justify keeping him given his age and trade value along with Kane's. Keeping those two guys will do nothing for the Hawks. They can't make the team a Cup winner. Their main value to the team's long term interest is what they could get in return in a trade. They already tried keeping and playing them and it does not accomplish anything worthwhile. They need to go, not because they do not have value, but because they do and they will not have enough support players to justify keeping them around.  I agree with ya. It’s either you go for it one more time or just sell off and rebuild. But again. If you’re Dcat, do you wanna stick around if Toews and Kane are traded? So if it’s full rebuild. Most will want out. So you gotta be careful!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 17, 2021 23:13:33 GMT -6
I know Bowman doesn’t have a good trade bone in his body. But honest question. I heard a rumour. Well 2 of them. Would anyone here do this? Hawks receive Eichel, Reinhart. Buffalo gets Dach, Suter, 1st round pick and a player to help even out the salary. Like Connolly. But I didn’t hear his name specifically. Also I heard 2 times today that Calgary was looking too. They’re willing to give up Tkachuk, 1st rounder, and Connor Zary. The Kings are rumoured to be willing to trade Byfield, and a few others for him. I guess if the Hawks top few players say they want better players brought in, they may just have to do it. Cuz they may not waive and keep the Hawks in no mans land for a few more years. Don’t shoot the messenger. But Dach and Couzens are pretty good buddies and it looks like the Sabres are ready to hand the keys over to their other kids!!! how would the 'hawks afford this if Toews is back next year? Eichel runs 10 mill per and Reinhart will want a raise this summer (he is a rfa) from his 5.2 mill per deal. so we take in probably at least 16-17 million per and give back...? Dach is on his rookie deal and Suter is a rfa. Buffalo would have to take Seabrook and Connolly back, minimum. I just don’t see that trade working out. how about this instead: the 'hawks give up the same 4 and get back Eichel and a 2nd rounder. honestly, considering how badly we know he wants outta Buffalo, I'd say you give them Dach, Suter, Connolly, and a second for Eichel. add in a d prospect if ya have to (cough, Boqvist, cough). I'd make that trade. |
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