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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 6, 2021 17:15:45 GMT -6
So far they released 50 to 30.
Debrincat and Jones were in the 40-50 spot. Of course I'm bias but I'm also a realist and think they should've been in the top 20, or top 30 minimum.
Fleury was in the 30-40 spot. Winning a Vezina and having his best statistical regular season in his mid 30's, shouldn't happen, but Fleury isn't your average guy. 3rd alltime in wins, 492, 500 in a Hawks jersey will look great. If he plays another season or 2 he'll pass Roy in win, 251.
Kane will be the only other Hawk, will they put him in the top 10, or 20-30, we'll soon see. He'll probably be in 11-15 spot considering the many young skilled guys, his age might keep him out of the top 10.
Kubalik probably should've been in the 40-50 spot, but his 3rd season might get him in next years top 50.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 6, 2021 17:28:48 GMT -6
Did they mention JT yet or is he in the top30 group?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 6, 2021 18:31:24 GMT -6
Did they mention JT yet or is he in the top30 group? Considering he missed a season he's probably not in the top 50. |
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Post by Tater on Sept 6, 2021 23:12:25 GMT -6
Thanks. When is the rest of the list coming out?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 7, 2021 0:06:28 GMT -6
Thanks. When is the rest of the list coming out? No idea lol might be a weekly thing till the preseason starts. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 7, 2021 5:46:49 GMT -6
I do agree Dcat should be higher, but right now Jones has declined for 3 straight years. So until he proves it, I wouldn’t have even put him on there. I think Kane should be top 10, cuz he is.
We have to realize the Hawks have been pretty bad the last four years, and even if we’re fans, we still have to face the facts that we’ve only had 2-3 guys worth cheering for. So let’s hope the season goes in an upward direction!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 7, 2021 7:07:43 GMT -6
So far they released 50 to 30. Debrincat and Jones were in the 40-50 spot. Of course I'm bias but I'm also a realist and think they should've been in the top 20, or top 30 minimum. Fleury was in the 30-40 spot. Winning a Vezina and having his best statistical regular season in his mid 30's, shouldn't happen, but Fleury isn't your average guy. 3rd alltime in wins, 492, 500 in a Hawks jersey will look great. If he plays another season or 2 he'll pass Roy in win, 251. Kane will be the only other Hawk, will they put him in the top 10, or 20-30, we'll soon see. He'll probably be in 11-15 spot considering the many young skilled guys, his age might keep him out of the top 10. Kubalik probably should've been in the 40-50 spot, but his 3rd season might get him in next years top 50. Seems the league continues to use D-Cat's size against him,they also left him off the top ten LW's a while back in favor of guys with much worse numbers. His first 286 games find him with a .416 goals a game ave. and a .800 points a game ave.,he hasn't missed a game to injury since he broke into the league and his D improved to point of killing penalties while on a 50 goal pace.......how many 40-50 goal scorers kill penalties? I'm not sure there's a dozen forwards I take over him at his cap hit and he still has room to improve @23. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 7, 2021 8:07:32 GMT -6
Seems the league continues to use D-Cat's size against him,they also left him off the top ten LW's a while back in favor of guys with much worse numbers. His first 286 games find him with a .416 goals a game ave. and a .800 points a game ave.,he hasn't missed a game to injury since he broke into the league and his D improved to point of killing penalties while on a 50 goal pace.......how many 40-50 goal scorers kill penalties? I'm not sure there's a dozen forwards I take over him at his cap hit and he still has room to improve @23. Yeah I remember him getting screwed over on the top 10 LWer list, thought the same thing with this list, they have him at 49 🙄 I really hope he cracks 50 goals this season to shut these "experts" up. They put the Minnesota rookie of the year in the 30-40 spot, he was a 24yr old rookie. Debrincat is entertaining his 5th season and he's only 23. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 7, 2021 8:33:30 GMT -6
I do agree Dcat should be higher, but right now Jones has declined for 3 straight years. So until he proves it, I wouldn’t have even put him on there. I think Kane should be top 10, cuz he is. We have to realize the Hawks have been pretty bad the last four years, and even if we’re fans, we still have to face the facts that we’ve only had 2-3 guys worth cheering for. So let’s hope the season goes in an upward direction!!! In the past 6yrs Jones has lead the Jackets in average ice time, in that span only Doughty and Burns averaged more. Yes his points have gone down but so has the quality of the Jackets and they missed the playoffs last season. He still averaged 25mins a night last season and plays a strong defensive game. He's probably second behind Hedman as one of the best 2way dmen in the world but you wouldn't put him in the top 50 to watch? I was thinking Jones should've been in the 30-40 spot, Debrincat in the 20-30, and Kane in the top 10. But considering how the NHL Network put DCat at 49 I don't think Kane will be in the top 10. Those are the only 3 Hawks I thought would make the list but MAF snuck in. And I'm well aware of how bad the Hawks have been but saying we only had 2-3 guys to cheer for in that time is very pessimistic, like saying Jones shouldn't be on the list. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 7, 2021 10:13:17 GMT -6
Seems the league continues to use D-Cat's size against him,they also left him off the top ten LW's a while back in favor of guys with much worse numbers. His first 286 games find him with a .416 goals a game ave. and a .800 points a game ave.,he hasn't missed a game to injury since he broke into the league and his D improved to point of killing penalties while on a 50 goal pace.......how many 40-50 goal scorers kill penalties? I'm not sure there's a dozen forwards I take over him at his cap hit and he still has room to improve @23. Yeah I remember him getting screwed over on the top 10 LWer list, thought the same thing with this list, they have him at 49 🙄 I really hope he cracks 50 goals this season to shut these "experts" up. They put the Minnesota rookie of the year in the 30-40 spot, he was a 24yr old rookie. Debrincat is entertaining his 5th season and he's only 23. Five more goals,same assists and I doubt 'Krill the thrill' was killin' penalties my friend,I don't get it. I did read an article recently saying D-Cat prospered from playing with Kane and I wondered if the author actually watched Hawk games or just saw PP highlights. Gotta wonder what the still unsigned,young Russian gets up in MN too,do they do a bridge or do they break the bank now? I'm still not sure many understand the 'Tiger by the tail' we have with our young sniper,the improvement in his all-around game we saw last year while on a 50 goal pace is some special shit......PERIOD! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 7, 2021 10:22:19 GMT -6
I do agree Dcat should be higher, but right now Jones has declined for 3 straight years. So until he proves it, I wouldn’t have even put him on there. I think Kane should be top 10, cuz he is. We have to realize the Hawks have been pretty bad the last four years, and even if we’re fans, we still have to face the facts that we’ve only had 2-3 guys worth cheering for. So let’s hope the season goes in an upward direction!!! In the past 6yrs Jones has lead the Jackets in average ice time, in that span only Doughty and Burns averaged more. Yes his points have gone down but so has the quality of the Jackets and they missed the playoffs last season. He still averaged 25mins a night last season and plays a strong defensive game. He's probably second behind Hedman as one of the best 2way dmen in the world but you wouldn't put him in the top 50 to watch? I was thinking Jones should've been in the 30-40 spot, Debrincat in the 20-30, and Kane in the top 10. But considering how the NHL Network put DCat at 49 I don't think Kane will be in the top 10. Those are the only 3 Hawks I thought would make the list but MAF snuck in. And I'm well aware of how bad the Hawks have been but saying we only had 2-3 guys to cheer for in that time is very pessimistic, like saying Jones shouldn't be on the list. To be objective,I don't see even twenty better D-men than S Jones at any age,he got a LOT of $$$,a LOT of term and a LOT of clauses but would we rather have Doughy or Karlsson's deals? Maybe wait till he's an URA and save the draft capitol and the 20yro D-man but that's a gamble and getting a #1 D-man will always cost an arm and a leg.....unless of course one of our 'next Keith or Karlsson's' woulda worked out but no dice on that. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 7, 2021 12:43:27 GMT -6
I do agree Dcat should be higher, but right now Jones has declined for 3 straight years. So until he proves it, I wouldn’t have even put him on there. I think Kane should be top 10, cuz he is. We have to realize the Hawks have been pretty bad the last four years, and even if we’re fans, we still have to face the facts that we’ve only had 2-3 guys worth cheering for. So let’s hope the season goes in an upward direction!!! In the past 6yrs Jones has lead the Jackets in average ice time, in that span only Doughty and Burns averaged more. Yes his points have gone down but so has the quality of the Jackets and they missed the playoffs last season. He still averaged 25mins a night last season and plays a strong defensive game. He's probably second behind Hedman as one of the best 2way dmen in the world but you wouldn't put him in the top 50 to watch? I was thinking Jones should've been in the 30-40 spot, Debrincat in the 20-30, and Kane in the top 10. But considering how the NHL Network put DCat at 49 I don't think Kane will be in the top 10. Those are the only 3 Hawks I thought would make the list but MAF snuck in. And I'm well aware of how bad the Hawks have been but saying we only had 2-3 guys to cheer for in that time is very pessimistic, like saying Jones shouldn't be on the list. I’d think Toews has a lot more clout than Jones. And if he ain’t on it, I’d think Jones shouldn’t be either. Now, next summer the conversation cwn turn the other way. I’m just looking at what has been done over the past few years. It’s easy to say things will be alright, we thought that a couple years back. Ol Scambo hasn’t really done much without a stacked lineup. He’s struggled mightily to be honest. Barely any of his drafts have made a difference, and his trades have failed to no end. Most thought Maatta, deHaan, Shaw etc were gonna help the team turn the corner it failed horribly. Now we got McCabe coming off major surgery and he really wasn’t that great before. If loses anything else, we’re stuck with basically what we had last year. So it’s a hard sell at this point for optimism. However, if Jones comes in and gets what he averaged the last few years. The team will be very bad. He needs to be that 50-60 point guy. This way the Hawks would control the play and the goals against will go down due to that. The old adage “the best defense is a great offense”!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on Sept 7, 2021 16:34:21 GMT -6
T your more of a glass, half empty guy I think lol. As far as I'm concerned this was Stans best offseason since he has been here, we are bigger faster more skilled, but unfortunately we have the same coach so that does scare me a bit
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Post by hsbob on Sept 7, 2021 18:15:57 GMT -6
T your more of a glass, half empty guy I think lol. As far as I'm concerned this was Stans best offseason since he has been here, we are bigger faster more skilled, but unfortunately we have the same coach so that does scare me a bit What's your prediction for the season? Big,fast and skilled oughta result in a dam good record.....no? |
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Post by BigT on Sept 7, 2021 19:41:44 GMT -6
T your more of a glass, half empty guy I think lol. As far as I'm concerned this was Stans best offseason since he has been here, we are bigger faster more skilled, but unfortunately we have the same coach so that does scare me a bit I sure am, especially when the glass is a quarter full!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 8, 2021 8:26:48 GMT -6
So far they released 50 to 30. Debrincat and Jones were in the 40-50 spot. Of course I'm bias but I'm also a realist and think they should've been in the top 20, or top 30 minimum. Fleury was in the 30-40 spot. Winning a Vezina and having his best statistical regular season in his mid 30's, shouldn't happen, but Fleury isn't your average guy. 3rd alltime in wins, 492, 500 in a Hawks jersey will look great. If he plays another season or 2 he'll pass Roy in win, 251. Kane will be the only other Hawk, will they put him in the top 10, or 20-30, we'll soon see. He'll probably be in 11-15 spot considering the many young skilled guys, his age might keep him out of the top 10. Kubalik probably should've been in the 40-50 spot, but his 3rd season might get him in next years top 50. Seems the league continues to use D-Cat's size against him,they also left him off the top ten LW's a while back in favor of guys with much worse numbers. His first 286 games find him with a .416 goals a game ave. and a .800 points a game ave.,he hasn't missed a game to injury since he broke into the league and his D improved to point of killing penalties while on a 50 goal pace.......how many 40-50 goal scorers kill penalties? I'm not sure there's a dozen forwards I take over him at his cap hit and he still has room to improve @23. As I mentioned in another thread...let the other teams and overrated bloggers continue to sleep on El Gato. He'll just continue to burn them.  |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 8, 2021 8:51:00 GMT -6
Seems the league continues to use D-Cat's size against him,they also left him off the top ten LW's a while back in favor of guys with much worse numbers. His first 286 games find him with a .416 goals a game ave. and a .800 points a game ave.,he hasn't missed a game to injury since he broke into the league and his D improved to point of killing penalties while on a 50 goal pace.......how many 40-50 goal scorers kill penalties? I'm not sure there's a dozen forwards I take over him at his cap hit and he still has room to improve @23. As I mentioned in another thread...let the other teams and overrated bloggers continue to sleep on El Gato. He'll just continue to burn them. Maybe but I'd guess opposing HC's will game plan for D-Cat after last year depending on who he skates with. Not playing the league's 3rd leading goal scorer with a setup man makes little sense but he did show ability to create opportunities on his own last year and I doubt he cares much about being underrated.......he's used to it.... www.nhl.com/player/alex-debrincat-8479337Look for more of these too.... www.nhl.com/blackhawks/video/debrincats-nifty-shg/t-277437096/c-8258222 |
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Post by shooter61 on Sept 11, 2021 8:15:07 GMT -6
T your more of a glass, half empty guy I think lol. As far as I'm concerned this was Stans best offseason since he has been here, we are bigger faster more skilled, but unfortunately we have the same coach so that does scare me a bit What's your prediction for the season? Big,fast and skilled oughta result in a dam good record.....no? well I think we are going to be heads and tails above last year, and getting bigger and faster and more skilled , compared to the last couple years, is really nor saying lots , but you have to admit , that our top 6 has a much better look than last year, 3rd and 4th lines have some punch that we haven't had since 2017.I think Reichel has a chance to stick , we have good top 4 D now that, and a tender that can steal games, so Yes I am excited about this year, the only thing that worries me is how JC uses them, I'm thinking playoffs and will be disapointed if we don't make them |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 11, 2021 11:48:23 GMT -6
What's your prediction for the season? Big,fast and skilled oughta result in a dam good record.....no? well I think we are going to be heads and tails above last year, and getting bigger and faster and more skilled , compared to the last couple years, is really nor saying lots , but you have to admit , that our top 6 has a much better look than last year, 3rd and 4th lines have some punch that we haven't had since 2017.I think Reichel has a chance to stick , we have good top 4 D now that, and a tender that can steal games, so Yes I am excited about this year, the only thing that worries me is how JC uses them, I'm thinking playoffs and will be disapointed if we don't make them I think JC is the main concern for most of us. He has more depth at all 3 positions with a big #1 dman, not a bunch of middle pair guys. Yes Keith is a 3-4 guy at this stage of his career but not under JC 🙄 also because Bowman didn't get him a guy who's a legit top2. No excuses now and if they start the season slow I hope Colliton is gone, Bowman did it to Savard and Q at the start of slow seasons, they're Hall of Famers so Jeremy shouldn't be exempt. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 16, 2021 22:18:16 GMT -6
20-30 was released, no Hawks.
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Post by nighbor on Sept 16, 2021 23:21:24 GMT -6
well I think we are going to be heads and tails above last year, and getting bigger and faster and more skilled , compared to the last couple years, is really nor saying lots , but you have to admit , that our top 6 has a much better look than last year, 3rd and 4th lines have some punch that we haven't had since 2017.I think Reichel has a chance to stick , we have good top 4 D now that, and a tender that can steal games, so Yes I am excited about this year, the only thing that worries me is how JC uses them, I'm thinking playoffs and will be disapointed if we don't make them I think JC is the main concern for most of us. He has more depth at all 3 positions with a big #1 dman, not a bunch of middle pair guys. Yes Keith is a 3-4 guy at this stage of his career but not under JC 🙄 also because Bowman didn't get him a guy who's a legit top2. No excuses now and if they start the season slow I hope Colliton is gone, Bowman did it to Savard and Q at the start of slow seasons, they're Hall of Famers so Jeremy shouldn't be exempt. Q took over from Savard in the 2008-09 season and Stan became GM in 2009. Tallon fired Savard. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 17, 2021 6:37:27 GMT -6
I think JC is the main concern for most of us. He has more depth at all 3 positions with a big #1 dman, not a bunch of middle pair guys. Yes Keith is a 3-4 guy at this stage of his career but not under JC 🙄 also because Bowman didn't get him a guy who's a legit top2. No excuses now and if they start the season slow I hope Colliton is gone, Bowman did it to Savard and Q at the start of slow seasons, they're Hall of Famers so Jeremy shouldn't be exempt. Q took over from Savard in the 2008-09 season and Stan became GM in 2009. Tallon fired Savard. This is true. I think that was the beginning of the end for Tallon. Uncle Dale said repeatedly that it was an “organizational move”, and not his move alone. So I’d have to believe he didn’t want to fire Savard, but had to. He said Savard was like a brother to him. Once McD took over, he wanted more of a yes man than a hockey guy that’ll push back. I’m not saying it was right or wrong. That’s just the way the story unfolded!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 17, 2021 8:20:03 GMT -6
I think JC is the main concern for most of us. He has more depth at all 3 positions with a big #1 dman, not a bunch of middle pair guys. Yes Keith is a 3-4 guy at this stage of his career but not under JC 🙄 also because Bowman didn't get him a guy who's a legit top2. No excuses now and if they start the season slow I hope Colliton is gone, Bowman did it to Savard and Q at the start of slow seasons, they're Hall of Famers so Jeremy shouldn't be exempt. Q took over from Savard in the 2008-09 season and Stan became GM in 2009. Tallon fired Savard. I stand corrected, you're right. Like BT said, it wasn't Tallons choice and Mcdonut ran the show, also Stan was the assistant GM and might not of had a say but he's a good yes man. |
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Post by nighbor on Sept 17, 2021 21:04:26 GMT -6
Q took over from Savard in the 2008-09 season and Stan became GM in 2009. Tallon fired Savard. This is true. I think that was the beginning of the end for Tallon. Uncle Dale said repeatedly that it was an “organizational move”, and not his move alone. So I’d have to believe he didn’t want to fire Savard, but had to. He said Savard was like a brother to him. Once McD took over, he wanted more of a yes man than a hockey guy that’ll push back. I’m not saying it was right or wrong. That’s just the way the story unfolded!!! The signing of Q as a scout was a farce. When Tallon signed Q, Savard knew his days were numbered. The first bad stretch and it was bound to happen and it was all over for HoF Savard as Q was ready, willing and able to replace him. I have no personal knowledge but I have a brain and so do you. No coach unless he is ready to retire would be interested in a permanent scouting position. Anyone with a brother knows that they can from time to time serve their own self-interest. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Sept 17, 2021 23:20:26 GMT -6
Q took over from Savard in the 2008-09 season and Stan became GM in 2009. Tallon fired Savard. This is true. I think that was the beginning of the end for Tallon. Uncle Dale said repeatedly that it was an “organizational move”, and not his move alone. So I’d have to believe he didn’t want to fire Savard, but had to. He said Savard was like a brother to him. Once McD took over, he wanted more of a yes man than a hockey guy that’ll push back. I’m not saying it was right or wrong. That’s just the way the story unfolded!!! As far as Savard goes I heard everyone was in agreement. No one was happy the way camp was run he was in a little to much over his head. they just waited for the first opportunity.Dale and Savard were buddies sure it was hard on dale. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 18, 2021 12:50:47 GMT -6
This is true. I think that was the beginning of the end for Tallon. Uncle Dale said repeatedly that it was an “organizational move”, and not his move alone. So I’d have to believe he didn’t want to fire Savard, but had to. He said Savard was like a brother to him. Once McD took over, he wanted more of a yes man than a hockey guy that’ll push back. I’m not saying it was right or wrong. That’s just the way the story unfolded!!! The signing of Q as a scout was a farce. When Tallon signed Q, Savard knew his days were numbered. The first bad stretch and it was bound to happen and it was all over for HoF Savard as Q was ready, willing and able to replace him. I have no personal knowledge but I have a brain and so do you. No coach unless he is ready to retire would be interested in a permanent scouting position. Anyone with a brother knows that they can from time to time serve their own self-interest. I thought the same about Crawford but Collitons been given a much longer leash than Savard, very different circumstances of course. It wasn't a rebuild when Q took over and Crawfords at least behind the bench, no scouts there. But if they start slow with the players added I can see Crawford taking over. Back to the main topic lol will Kane be in the top10 for players to watch and will Toews coming back put him in the top20? He's a future HoFer who missed a season but everyone knows how serious he is, so a comeback might interest the panel to put him there. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 18, 2021 17:28:03 GMT -6
The signing of Q as a scout was a farce. When Tallon signed Q, Savard knew his days were numbered. The first bad stretch and it was bound to happen and it was all over for HoF Savard as Q was ready, willing and able to replace him. I have no personal knowledge but I have a brain and so do you. No coach unless he is ready to retire would be interested in a permanent scouting position. Anyone with a brother knows that they can from time to time serve their own self-interest. I thought the same about Crawford but Collitons been given a much longer leash than Savard, very different circumstances of course. It wasn't a rebuild when Q took over and Crawfords at least behind the bench, no scouts there. But if they start slow with the players added I can see Crawford taking over. Back to the main topic lol will Kane be in the top10 for players to watch and will Toews coming back put him in the top20? He's a future HoFer who missed a season but everyone knows how serious he is, so a comeback might interest the panel to put him there. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up anywhere in the survey. He wasn't considered a top 20 center in another survey a while back either and he was coming off a 35/81 season and 56.33% at the dot.........can't make this shit up! |
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Post by Tater on Sept 19, 2021 1:01:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up anywhere in the survey. He wasn't considered a top 20 center in another survey a while back either and he was coming off a 35/81 season and 56.33% at the dot.........can't make this shit up!
Sad, but true.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 19, 2021 17:18:23 GMT -6
Kane was #11.
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