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Post by steamer on Aug 25, 2022 12:29:57 GMT -6
Is DeHaan officially gone? I may have missed the announcement. Anyway I hope he’s gone.
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2022 14:57:22 GMT -6
Is DeHaan officially gone? I may have missed the announcement. Anyway I hope he’s gone. I disagree. He’s the perfect dman for this team for one more year! Only one more year for him execute is amazing talents at keeping a team in the bottom of the lowest! Would one more year really hurt to have his specific talents? But to answer your question. Ya he’s gone!!! |
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Post by steamer on Aug 25, 2022 16:07:05 GMT -6
Is DeHaan officially gone? I may have missed the announcement. Anyway I hope he’s gone. I disagree. He’s the perfect dman for this team for one more year! Only one more year for him execute is amazing talents at keeping a team in the bottom of the lowest! Would one more year really hurt to have his specific talents? But to answer your question. Ya he’s gone!!! I get your drift! But since he's gone wouldn't you like to see Mitchell get a fair shot? If he doesn't cut it there are other young guys behind him for next year and beyond. |
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Post by Nikos on Aug 25, 2022 16:27:03 GMT -6
I disagree. He’s the perfect dman for this team for one more year! Only one more year for him execute is amazing talents at keeping a team in the bottom of the lowest! Would one more year really hurt to have his specific talents? But to answer your question. Ya he’s gone!!! I get your drift! But since he's gone wouldn't you like to see Mitchell get a fair shot? If he doesn't cut it there are other young guys behind him for next year and beyond. Mitchell or Stillman over DeHaan anytime for sure. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2022 17:29:14 GMT -6
I disagree. He’s the perfect dman for this team for one more year! Only one more year for him execute is amazing talents at keeping a team in the bottom of the lowest! Would one more year really hurt to have his specific talents? But to answer your question. Ya he’s gone!!! I get your drift! But since he's gone wouldn't you like to see Mitchell get a fair shot? If he doesn't cut it there are other young guys behind him for next year and beyond. Not next year. Let them stay where they’ll be needed to play a bigger role. I suspect Mitchell is probably done with the Hawks. Probably his last season. If he turns heads, cool. But I believe his development curve has levelled off. Maybe he has some trade value? But we need tankers in there this year. I also suspect a lot of “injuries” on the Hawks this year. So I’m sure Mitchell will be used at some point!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 26, 2022 8:48:58 GMT -6
I disagree. He’s the perfect dman for this team for one more year! Only one more year for him execute is amazing talents at keeping a team in the bottom of the lowest! Would one more year really hurt to have his specific talents? But to answer your question. Ya he’s gone!!! I get your drift! But since he's gone wouldn't you like to see Mitchell get a fair shot? If he doesn't cut it there are other young guys behind him for next year and beyond. I'd like to know what he's done NOT to get a shot on a team with absolutely nothing to lose next year. The 23yro is on his last year of his ELC,he's committed himself and played well at EVERY level,coming off an 11gl 35pt 57gm AHL season,three solid seasons at Denver,played tourney hockey for Canada at every level and his only NHL stint came with poor coaching and a ridiculous system. I think kids notice when they see another kid like Mitchell work hard and pay his dues only to get ignored. Opening night could easily see S Jones,Murphy,McCabe,C Jones and Johnson in the lineup,averaging 29 years old when the year starts leaving one spot for 23yro Mitchell,22yro Regula,21yro Vlasic,23yro Beaudin,24yro Stillman,21yro Phillips,23yro Galvas and 21yro Crevier(some ages are when the season starts). Of course all these young D-men won't make it,all are young but all are at least 21 and Rockford needs to be staffed too but will most be lost for nothing w/o proper assessment. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 29, 2022 16:07:31 GMT -6
Yeah not sure why they went for Jack Johnson unless they felt they had to have a guy over 30 to start the season? Murphy and McCabe turn 30 in 2023 and Seth the year after. Would MUCH rather see Mitchell, Regula and Vlasic play this season.
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Post by BigT on Aug 29, 2022 20:51:40 GMT -6
Yeah not sure why they went for Jack Johnson unless they felt they had to have a guy over 30 to start the season? Murphy and McCabe turn 30 in 2023 and Seth the year after. Would MUCH rather see Mitchell, Regula and Vlasic play this season. I’m positive they’ll all play at some point. My best guess is somewhere near February the Hawks fire sale is on. They’ll call the kids up and they’ll never look back. Not a bad idea. I’m all for it. I think it’s the best way. At the 2/3 mark of the year there will be no pressure on them as the team will be out of the playoffs by a lot. A very good plan is in place!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 30, 2022 9:22:21 GMT -6
Yeah not sure why they went for Jack Johnson unless they felt they had to have a guy over 30 to start the season? Murphy and McCabe turn 30 in 2023 and Seth the year after. Would MUCH rather see Mitchell, Regula and Vlasic play this season. S Jones,Murphy,McCabe,Johnson and C Jones average over 29 years of age,one's signed for three more,one for four more and one forever. Hope I'm wrong but I see none of the five having positive trade value,now or at the TDL. NOBODY's taking the S Jones' deal,Murph's a 3M shot blocker when healthy making 4.4M untill he's 33,McCabe's a decent,hard-nosed 2.5M D-man making 4M for two more after this one and nobody'll want Johnson or C Jones but I guess the team has to pay somebody. Murph has trouble staying healthy and Johnson and C Jones are #7's,so maybe a few young guys do get a long look. Mitchell especially because the 23yro is on the last year of his ELC,has done everything right and paid his dues coming off a good AHL season while watching the team add veteran D-man after veteran D-man the last three years in a useless attempt to save a DUMBASS' job. I think 50 games of assessment is a must for the kid and I think it's earned,if he's decent to good he's a tradable asset or possibly a cheap re-do. We've seen guys like Forsling blossom in their mid 20's,let's see what Richardson does with the slick-skating,puck mover,it'd be a shame to lose him for nothing and watch him turn into something. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 3, 2022 7:28:20 GMT -6
Yeah not sure why they went for Jack Johnson unless they felt they had to have a guy over 30 to start the season? Murphy and McCabe turn 30 in 2023 and Seth the year after. Would MUCH rather see Mitchell, Regula and Vlasic play this season. S Jones,Murphy,McCabe,Johnson and C Jones average over 29 years of age,one's signed for three more,one for four more and one forever. Hope I'm wrong but I see none of the five having positive trade value,now or at the TDL. NOBODY's taking the S Jones' deal,Murph's a 3M shot blocker when healthy making 4.4M untill he's 33,McCabe's a decent,hard-nosed 2.5M D-man making 4M for two more after this one and nobody'll want Johnson or C Jones but I guess the team has to pay somebody. Murph has trouble staying healthy and Johnson and C Jones are #7's,so maybe a few young guys do get a long look. Mitchell especially because the 23yro is on the last year of his ELC,has done everything right and paid his dues coming off a good AHL season while watching the team add veteran D-man after veteran D-man the last three years in a useless attempt to save a DUMBASS' job. I think 50 games of assessment is a must for the kid and I think it's earned,if he's decent to good he's a tradable asset or possibly a cheap re-do. We've seen guys like Forsling blossom in their mid 20's,let's see what Richardson does with the slick-skating,puck mover,it'd be a shame to lose him for nothing and watch him turn into something. Mitchell's only played ONE season in the AHL, I really like the guy but most dmen need 2+ seasons so starting in Rockford won't be bad for him. It doesn't matter if it's his last year of his ELC because he's not a UFA, he has a great attitude and plays the right way so I can see him on the Hawks blueline one day. Righties are a commodity. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 3, 2022 8:18:18 GMT -6
S Jones,Murphy,McCabe,Johnson and C Jones average over 29 years of age,one's signed for three more,one for four more and one forever. Hope I'm wrong but I see none of the five having positive trade value,now or at the TDL. NOBODY's taking the S Jones' deal,Murph's a 3M shot blocker when healthy making 4.4M untill he's 33,McCabe's a decent,hard-nosed 2.5M D-man making 4M for two more after this one and nobody'll want Johnson or C Jones but I guess the team has to pay somebody. Murph has trouble staying healthy and Johnson and C Jones are #7's,so maybe a few young guys do get a long look. Mitchell especially because the 23yro is on the last year of his ELC,has done everything right and paid his dues coming off a good AHL season while watching the team add veteran D-man after veteran D-man the last three years in a useless attempt to save a DUMBASS' job. I think 50 games of assessment is a must for the kid and I think it's earned,if he's decent to good he's a tradable asset or possibly a cheap re-do. We've seen guys like Forsling blossom in their mid 20's,let's see what Richardson does with the slick-skating,puck mover,it'd be a shame to lose him for nothing and watch him turn into something. Mitchell's only played ONE season in the AHL, I really like the guy but most dmen need 2+ seasons so starting in Rockford won't be bad for him. It doesn't matter if it's his last year of his ELC because he's not a UFA, he has a great attitude and plays the right way so I can see him on the Hawks blueline one day. Righties are a commodity. None of us know how Richardson does in his first shot behind the bench but I see a positive in his experience both playing and AC'ing defense in the league as long as he has. Better assessment,teaching and development of the young D-men will be an advantage and I'll accept where the new HC starts his guys. Five veterans on a rebuilding team's blueline just seems odd to me and younger guys than Mitchell who've paid less dues(2 AHL seasons) getting the spot instead could spoil him the way Beaudin spoiled BUT I'll give the new HC his space on these calls.......JMO.....a bored 'O'......LOL! |
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Post by steamer on Sept 14, 2022 13:16:14 GMT -6
S Jones,Murphy,McCabe,Johnson and C Jones average over 29 years of age,one's signed for three more,one for four more and one forever. Hope I'm wrong but I see none of the five having positive trade value,now or at the TDL. NOBODY's taking the S Jones' deal,Murph's a 3M shot blocker when healthy making 4.4M untill he's 33,McCabe's a decent,hard-nosed 2.5M D-man making 4M for two more after this one and nobody'll want Johnson or C Jones but I guess the team has to pay somebody. Murph has trouble staying healthy and Johnson and C Jones are #7's,so maybe a few young guys do get a long look. Mitchell especially because the 23yro is on the last year of his ELC,has done everything right and paid his dues coming off a good AHL season while watching the team add veteran D-man after veteran D-man the last three years in a useless attempt to save a DUMBASS' job. I think 50 games of assessment is a must for the kid and I think it's earned,if he's decent to good he's a tradable asset or possibly a cheap re-do. We've seen guys like Forsling blossom in their mid 20's,let's see what Richardson does with the slick-skating,puck mover,it'd be a shame to lose him for nothing and watch him turn into something. Mitchell's only played ONE season in the AHL, I really like the guy but most dmen need 2+ seasons so starting in Rockford won't be bad for him. It doesn't matter if it's his last year of his ELC because he's not a UFA, he has a great attitude and plays the right way so I can see him on the Hawks blueline one day. Righties are a commodity. Looking at the upcoming prospect series with Minnesota- Hawks have only one righty in that lineup so hopefully that will give Mitchell a better chance to prove himself this coming season in Chicago or Rockford. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 15, 2022 8:40:51 GMT -6
Mitchell's only played ONE season in the AHL, I really like the guy but most dmen need 2+ seasons so starting in Rockford won't be bad for him. It doesn't matter if it's his last year of his ELC because he's not a UFA, he has a great attitude and plays the right way so I can see him on the Hawks blueline one day. Righties are a commodity. None of us know how Richardson does in his first shot behind the bench but I see a positive in his experience both playing and AC'ing defense in the league as long as he has. Better assessment,teaching and development of the young D-men will be an advantage and I'll accept where the new HC starts his guys. Five veterans on a rebuilding team's blueline just seems odd to me and younger guys than Mitchell who've paid less dues(2 AHL seasons) getting the spot instead could spoil him the way Beaudin spoiled BUT I'll give the new HC his space on these calls.......JMO.....a bored 'O'......LOL! Playing Devil's advocate: Some have said in the past that the 2005 lockout helped a lot of players, including Keith, because it gave them a forced extra year of development. In the case of this year, it's patently obvious the 'hawks are in full tank hard for Bedard mode--as they should be. The team even with Toews, Kane, and Jones the Elder won't likely win much. Goaltending is highly suspect as well. While playing a handful of games with the big club might open some players' eyes to the rigors on NHL play, there should be zero reason to rush anyone, even an elder prospect like Mitchell. It might be splitting hairs, but I think where we are at in the rebuild is the salient point. If we were a season or two further, then by all means start pushing in the youngsters. But as it is now I think pushing in some youngsters would be like the 'hawks trying to ice Keith or Seabrook back in 2004--there wouldn't be much benefit to them in my opinion. Let the vets take their knocks and rotate any youngster in who shows some chops, but I'd focus on the youngsters getting more time and responsibility in the lower leagues this season. My $0.02. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 15, 2022 10:17:22 GMT -6
None of us know how Richardson does in his first shot behind the bench but I see a positive in his experience both playing and AC'ing defense in the league as long as he has. Better assessment,teaching and development of the young D-men will be an advantage and I'll accept where the new HC starts his guys. Five veterans on a rebuilding team's blueline just seems odd to me and younger guys than Mitchell who've paid less dues(2 AHL seasons) getting the spot instead could spoil him the way Beaudin spoiled BUT I'll give the new HC his space on these calls.......JMO.....a bored 'O'......LOL! Playing Devil's advocate: Some have said in the past that the 2005 lockout helped a lot of players, including Keith, because it gave them a forced extra year of development. In the case of this year, it's patently obvious the 'hawks are in full tank hard for Bedard mode--as they should be. The team even with Toews, Kane, and Jones the Elder won't likely win much. Goaltending is highly suspect as well. While playing a handful of games with the big club might open some players' eyes to the rigors on NHL play, there should be zero reason to rush anyone, even an elder prospect like Mitchell. It might be splitting hairs, but I think where we are at in the rebuild is the salient point. If we were a season or two further, then by all means start pushing in the youngsters. But as it is now I think pushing in some youngsters would be like the 'hawks trying to ice Keith or Seabrook back in 2004--there wouldn't be much benefit to them in my opinion. Let the vets take their knocks and rotate any youngster in who shows some chops, but I'd focus on the youngsters getting more time and responsibility in the lower leagues this season. My $0.02. I'll agree with your $0.02 as far as Korchinski,Del Mastro,Phillips,Crevier,Allen,Vlasic and Regula(all recently turned 22 or younger),I'm not sure what to make of 23yro's Roos and Galvas........that leaves Mitchell who turns 24 in January and Beaudin who turns 23 before the year starts. I dunno what happened with Beaudin,he was coming off of 69pt/+27,56pt/+60 seasons in the 'Q' before Covid hit and two uninspired AHL seasons followed along with only 22 NHL starts and rumors of attitude problems. Mitchell on the other hand has been a model citizen,coming off a solid AHL season after three solid NCAA seasons in a very good program. Both are unsigned after this year and I don't see why either player would have ANY interest in staying if passed over again in favor of veterans......on a rebuilding team? The last four offseason have included TWO announced youth movements yet veteran D-man after veteran D-man have been and continue to be added.......what are these two 'youths',one a 1st and the other a high 2nd round pick supposed to think. If neither see extended time this year,it'll mean six of the younger D-men mentioned in my first sentence pass em by.....guarnteed.......they're from the last regime and out of vogue. Six picks in next year's deep draft will see more D prospects on the way as well. If you keep Mitchell and Beaudin in Chicago,you can assess em and possibly move em for assets if they're any good,keep em in Rockford and more than likely lose em for nothing.....just my $0.02. McCabe's injury opens a spot for the first few months and Murphy's track record of staying healthy could open another.......it'll be interesting to see who gets the shot. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 15, 2022 13:30:06 GMT -6
Playing Devil's advocate: Some have said in the past that the 2005 lockout helped a lot of players, including Keith, because it gave them a forced extra year of development. In the case of this year, it's patently obvious the 'hawks are in full tank hard for Bedard mode--as they should be. The team even with Toews, Kane, and Jones the Elder won't likely win much. Goaltending is highly suspect as well. While playing a handful of games with the big club might open some players' eyes to the rigors on NHL play, there should be zero reason to rush anyone, even an elder prospect like Mitchell. It might be splitting hairs, but I think where we are at in the rebuild is the salient point. If we were a season or two further, then by all means start pushing in the youngsters. But as it is now I think pushing in some youngsters would be like the 'hawks trying to ice Keith or Seabrook back in 2004--there wouldn't be much benefit to them in my opinion. Let the vets take their knocks and rotate any youngster in who shows some chops, but I'd focus on the youngsters getting more time and responsibility in the lower leagues this season. My $0.02. I'll agree with your $0.02 as far as Korchinski,Del Mastro,Phillips,Crevier,Allen,Vlasic and Regula(all recently turned 22 or younger),I'm not sure what to make of 23yro's Roos and Galvas........that leaves Mitchell who turns 24 in January and Beaudin who turns 23 before the year starts. I dunno what happened with Beaudin,he was coming off of 69pt/+27,56pt/+60 seasons in the 'Q' before Covid hit and two uninspired AHL seasons followed along with only 22 NHL starts and rumors of attitude problems. Mitchell on the other hand has been a model citizen,coming off a solid AHL season after three solid NCAA seasons in a very good program. Both are unsigned after this year and I don't see why either player would have ANY interest in staying if passed over again in favor of veterans......on a rebuilding team? The last four offseason have included TWO announced youth movements yet veteran D-man after veteran D-man have been and continue to be added.......what are these two 'youths',one a 1st and the other a high 2nd round pick supposed to think. If neither see extended time this year,it'll mean six of the younger D-men mentioned in my first sentence pass em by.....guarnteed.......they're from the last regime and out of vogue. Six picks in next year's deep draft will see more D prospects on the way as well. If you keep Mitchell and Beaudin in Chicago,you can assess em and possibly move em for assets if they're any good,keep em in Rockford and more than likely lose em for nothing.....just my $0.02. McCabe's injury opens a spot for the first few months and Murphy's track record of staying healthy could open another.......it'll be interesting to see who gets the shot. To be fair, I think there's 1 D-slot open...maybe 2. I also think that guys like Jones the Younger can be a #7. I wouldn't want a guy like Mitchell being a #7. Either full-time Chicago or full-time Rockford; not fetching off...well...Murry and Sharp since Eddie-O will tell the Kraken organist to stop it right there if he plays Lady of Spain.  And the caveat to the last 4 offseasons what who was running the show. Right now Capfriendly has Jones the Elder, Jones the Younger, Johnson, Stillman, and Pickle Surprise. McCabe is out for awhile and Murph may be, too. That leaves 1...maybe 2 fulltime slots. Further, Pickle Surprise is waiver-exempt. The better of Mitchell and Beaudin should make the opening night roster--assuming they outplay off of the "prospects." If they outplay any of those I listed, they should supplant them too--either moving Pickle Surprise down, moving Jones the Younger to the pressbox, or both. We deal with Murph and McCabe as they heal. For Mitchell and Beaudin, the path for them should be clear; if they want to play in the NHL they have to bring it to camp. |
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Post by Nikos on Sept 15, 2022 14:57:30 GMT -6
I'll agree with your $0.02 as far as Korchinski,Del Mastro,Phillips,Crevier,Allen,Vlasic and Regula(all recently turned 22 or younger),I'm not sure what to make of 23yro's Roos and Galvas........that leaves Mitchell who turns 24 in January and Beaudin who turns 23 before the year starts. I dunno what happened with Beaudin,he was coming off of 69pt/+27,56pt/+60 seasons in the 'Q' before Covid hit and two uninspired AHL seasons followed along with only 22 NHL starts and rumors of attitude problems. Mitchell on the other hand has been a model citizen,coming off a solid AHL season after three solid NCAA seasons in a very good program. Both are unsigned after this year and I don't see why either player would have ANY interest in staying if passed over again in favor of veterans......on a rebuilding team? The last four offseason have included TWO announced youth movements yet veteran D-man after veteran D-man have been and continue to be added.......what are these two 'youths',one a 1st and the other a high 2nd round pick supposed to think. If neither see extended time this year,it'll mean six of the younger D-men mentioned in my first sentence pass em by.....guarnteed.......they're from the last regime and out of vogue. Six picks in next year's deep draft will see more D prospects on the way as well. If you keep Mitchell and Beaudin in Chicago,you can assess em and possibly move em for assets if they're any good,keep em in Rockford and more than likely lose em for nothing.....just my $0.02. McCabe's injury opens a spot for the first few months and Murphy's track record of staying healthy could open another.......it'll be interesting to see who gets the shot. To be fair, I think there's 1 D-slot open...maybe 2. I also think that guys like Jones the Younger can be a #7. I wouldn't want a guy like Mitchell being a #7. Either full-time Chicago or full-time Rockford; not fetching off...well...Murry and Sharp since Eddie-O will tell the Kraken organist to stop it right there if he plays Lady of Spain. And the caveat to the last 4 offseasons what who was running the show. Right now Capfriendly has Jones the Elder, Jones the Younger, Johnson, Stillman, and Pickle Surprise. McCabe is out for awhile and Murph may be, too. That leaves 1...maybe 2 fulltime slots. Further, Pickle Surprise is waiver-exempt. The better of Mitchell and Beaudin should make the opening night roster--assuming they outplay off of the "prospects." If they outplay any of those I listed, they should supplant them too--either moving Pickle Surprise down, moving Jones the Younger to the pressbox, or both. We deal with Murph and McCabe as they heal. For Mitchell and Beaudin, the path for them should be clear; if they want to play in the NHL they have to bring it to camp. Agree on Mitchell he either makes the club or you try to move him, another year in AHL not sure how much incentive he will have to re-sign. As hsbob points out he has been a model citizen and the right thing to do is try and see if he can play for someone else rather they spend another year in Rockford. As for Beaudin, when he first came up, he showed some promise, not sure what has gone wrong since. Unless he "lights it up" in camp you are probably looking at losing him and another wasted 1st round pick by Mr. Bowman. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Sept 15, 2022 15:45:09 GMT -6
I'll agree with your $0.02 as far as Korchinski,Del Mastro,Phillips,Crevier,Allen,Vlasic and Regula(all recently turned 22 or younger),I'm not sure what to make of 23yro's Roos and Galvas........that leaves Mitchell who turns 24 in January and Beaudin who turns 23 before the year starts. I dunno what happened with Beaudin,he was coming off of 69pt/+27,56pt/+60 seasons in the 'Q' before Covid hit and two uninspired AHL seasons followed along with only 22 NHL starts and rumors of attitude problems. Mitchell on the other hand has been a model citizen,coming off a solid AHL season after three solid NCAA seasons in a very good program. Both are unsigned after this year and I don't see why either player would have ANY interest in staying if passed over again in favor of veterans......on a rebuilding team? The last four offseason have included TWO announced youth movements yet veteran D-man after veteran D-man have been and continue to be added.......what are these two 'youths',one a 1st and the other a high 2nd round pick supposed to think. If neither see extended time this year,it'll mean six of the younger D-men mentioned in my first sentence pass em by.....guarnteed.......they're from the last regime and out of vogue. Six picks in next year's deep draft will see more D prospects on the way as well. If you keep Mitchell and Beaudin in Chicago,you can assess em and possibly move em for assets if they're any good,keep em in Rockford and more than likely lose em for nothing.....just my $0.02. McCabe's injury opens a spot for the first few months and Murphy's track record of staying healthy could open another.......it'll be interesting to see who gets the shot. To be fair, I think there's 1 D-slot open...maybe 2. I also think that guys like Jones the Younger can be a #7. I wouldn't want a guy like Mitchell being a #7. Either full-time Chicago or full-time Rockford; not fetching off...well...Murry and Sharp since Eddie-O will tell the Kraken organist to stop it right there if he plays Lady of Spain. And the caveat to the last 4 offseasons what who was running the show. Right now Capfriendly has Jones the Elder, Jones the Younger, Johnson, Stillman, and Pickle Surprise. McCabe is out for awhile and Murph may be, too. That leaves 1...maybe 2 fulltime slots. Further, Pickle Surprise is waiver-exempt. The better of Mitchell and Beaudin should make the opening night roster--assuming they outplay off of the "prospects." If they outplay any of those I listed, they should supplant them too--either moving Pickle Surprise down, moving Jones the Younger to the pressbox, or both. We deal with Murph and McCabe as they heal. For Mitchell and Beaudin, the path for them should be clear; if they want to play in the NHL they have to bring it to camp. Murph was on the ice with most of the team this morning so I would assume he is cleared to go. They kinda scrimmaged with not much contact but u gotta figure he is cleared for contact. |
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Post by steamer on Sept 15, 2022 15:51:05 GMT -6
Hopefully Murphy has a gang buster start to the season so he can fetch some picks later in the season.
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Post by Nikos on Sept 15, 2022 16:48:41 GMT -6
Hopefully Murphy has a gang buster start to the season so he can fetch some picks later in the season. Hope is good, but his history tells us he will get hurt again. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 16, 2022 7:50:10 GMT -6
I'll agree with your $0.02 as far as Korchinski,Del Mastro,Phillips,Crevier,Allen,Vlasic and Regula(all recently turned 22 or younger),I'm not sure what to make of 23yro's Roos and Galvas........that leaves Mitchell who turns 24 in January and Beaudin who turns 23 before the year starts. I dunno what happened with Beaudin,he was coming off of 69pt/+27,56pt/+60 seasons in the 'Q' before Covid hit and two uninspired AHL seasons followed along with only 22 NHL starts and rumors of attitude problems. Mitchell on the other hand has been a model citizen,coming off a solid AHL season after three solid NCAA seasons in a very good program. Both are unsigned after this year and I don't see why either player would have ANY interest in staying if passed over again in favor of veterans......on a rebuilding team? The last four offseason have included TWO announced youth movements yet veteran D-man after veteran D-man have been and continue to be added.......what are these two 'youths',one a 1st and the other a high 2nd round pick supposed to think. If neither see extended time this year,it'll mean six of the younger D-men mentioned in my first sentence pass em by.....guarnteed.......they're from the last regime and out of vogue. Six picks in next year's deep draft will see more D prospects on the way as well. If you keep Mitchell and Beaudin in Chicago,you can assess em and possibly move em for assets if they're any good,keep em in Rockford and more than likely lose em for nothing.....just my $0.02. McCabe's injury opens a spot for the first few months and Murphy's track record of staying healthy could open another.......it'll be interesting to see who gets the shot. To be fair, I think there's 1 D-slot open...maybe 2. I also think that guys like Jones the Younger can be a #7. I wouldn't want a guy like Mitchell being a #7. Either full-time Chicago or full-time Rockford; not fetching off...well...Murry and Sharp since Eddie-O will tell the Kraken organist to stop it right there if he plays Lady of Spain. And the caveat to the last 4 offseasons what who was running the show. Right now Capfriendly has Jones the Elder, Jones the Younger, Johnson, Stillman, and Pickle Surprise. McCabe is out for awhile and Murph may be, too. That leaves 1...maybe 2 fulltime slots. Further, Pickle Surprise is waiver-exempt. The better of Mitchell and Beaudin should make the opening night roster--assuming they outplay off of the "prospects." If they outplay any of those I listed, they should supplant them too--either moving Pickle Surprise down, moving Jones the Younger to the pressbox, or both. We deal with Murph and McCabe as they heal. For Mitchell and Beaudin, the path for them should be clear; if they want to play in the NHL they have to bring it to camp. Lotta factors at play here my friend and I know keeping the younger D-men away from a tanking squad makes sense,I wouldn't mind the bigger guys who might be the team's future like Pickle(LOL) and Regula layin' down the law in Rockford for most of the year,though both looked okay in their games last year. Anyone younger than them.....without question. That leaves,Mitchell(23),Beaudin(23 Oct 7th),Stillman(24),Galvas(23...161lbs) and Roos(23).....the later two I see having little chance but who knows for two spots with McCabe out and Johnson in. I'd personally like to see the tough kid Stillman get more games,Mitchell who's paid his dues and turns 24 in January get the 50 game shot he deserves and maybe a 1st round pick who ended his last CHL season at plus SIXTY can benefit from a real HC and a new regime. If one or two of these guys can establish themselves,they bring value to the team in a few ways.......if either spends the year at Rockford.....you'll never hear of em again.....here anyway. Those other factors will come into play but C Jones and Johnson are both perfect soft-serve getters IMO and I see neither having value at the TDL like the younger guys MIGHT if given the shot. We know what we have with C Jones and Johnson,this year seems like we finally have an oppertunity to find out what we have with Mitchell,Stillman and Beaudin. Don't Jack Johnson and Caleb Jones have to "Bring it to camp" too? And what exactly do they bring? |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 16, 2022 8:07:02 GMT -6
Hopefully Murphy has a gang buster start to the season so he can fetch some picks later in the season. Since playing 76gms his first year here,he's missed,30gms,12gms,6gms and 25gms last year(hard to believe he's been here 5 years already)from what looked like a serious concussion. That 4.4MX4 kicks in this year @29 and since he's usually healthy enough to start seasons,LTIR has little value. I like the guy and I wish him good health but even with good health,it's hard to pedal a 29yro,3M shot-blocker making 4.4M the next four. Even bottom feeders looking to make the floor need guys who can suit up, burying the cap-hit on LTIR and still paying the player is the last thing a floor team needs. |
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Post by steamer on Sept 16, 2022 9:01:09 GMT -6
Hopefully Murphy has a gang buster start to the season so he can fetch some picks later in the season. Since playing 76gms his first year here,he's missed,30gms,12gms,6gms and 25gms last year(hard to believe he's been here 5 years already)from what looked like a serious concussion. That 4.4MX4 kicks in this year @29 and since he's usually healthy enough to start seasons,LTIR has little value. I like the guy and I wish him good health but even with good health,it's hard to pedal a 29yro,3M shot-blocker making 4.4M the next four. Even bottom feeders looking to make the floor need guys who can suit up, burying the cap-hit on LTIR and still paying the player is the last thing a floor team needs. Basically you are saying Hawks are better off giving Mitchell and Beaudin the chance to build their value rather than hoping to pawn off a battered Murphy and/or and old Johnson and borderline NHLer Caleb. I think you’re on to something. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 16, 2022 9:04:57 GMT -6
To be fair, I think there's 1 D-slot open...maybe 2. I also think that guys like Jones the Younger can be a #7. I wouldn't want a guy like Mitchell being a #7. Either full-time Chicago or full-time Rockford; not fetching off...well...Murry and Sharp since Eddie-O will tell the Kraken organist to stop it right there if he plays Lady of Spain. And the caveat to the last 4 offseasons what who was running the show. Right now Capfriendly has Jones the Elder, Jones the Younger, Johnson, Stillman, and Pickle Surprise. McCabe is out for awhile and Murph may be, too. That leaves 1...maybe 2 fulltime slots. Further, Pickle Surprise is waiver-exempt. The better of Mitchell and Beaudin should make the opening night roster--assuming they outplay off of the "prospects." If they outplay any of those I listed, they should supplant them too--either moving Pickle Surprise down, moving Jones the Younger to the pressbox, or both. We deal with Murph and McCabe as they heal. For Mitchell and Beaudin, the path for them should be clear; if they want to play in the NHL they have to bring it to camp. Lotta factors at play here my friend and I know keeping the younger D-men away from a tanking squad makes sense,I wouldn't mind the bigger guys who might be the team's future like Pickle(LOL) and Regula layin' down the law in Rockford for most of the year,though both looked okay in their games last year. Anyone younger than them.....without question. That leaves,Mitchell(23),Beaudin(23 Oct 7th),Stillman(24),Galvas(23...161lbs) and Roos(23).....the later two I see having little chance but who knows for two spots with McCabe out and Johnson in. I'd personally like to see the tough kid Stillman get more games,Mitchell who's paid his dues and turns 24 in January get the 50 game shot he deserves and maybe a 1st round pick who ended his last CHL season at plus SIXTY can benefit from a real HC and a new regime. If one or two of these guys can establish themselves,they bring value to the team in a few ways.......if either spends the year at Rockford.....you'll never hear of em again.....here anyway. Those other factors will come into play but C Jones and Johnson are both perfect soft-serve getters IMO and I see neither having value at the TDL like the younger guys MIGHT if given the shot. We know what we have with C Jones and Johnson,this year seems like we finally have an oppertunity to find out what we have with Mitchell,Stillman and Beaudin. Don't Jack Johnson and Caleb Jones have to "Bring it to camp" too? And what exactly do they bring? In a perfect world, EVERYONE should have to bring it to camp. Realistically Johnson might be a placeholder for McCabe. Jones the Younger is already NHL-established and being pressbox'ed won't really affect his game if he's not risen about a 6-7. Mitchell, while yes he's paid his dues he shouldn't be handed the keys to a slot; especially if guys like Beaudin and Stillman outplay him in camp, or if Pickle and Regula outplay him. I want him to do well but he should be coming into camp with the mind to play the best hockey he has to get him a shot. On an aside, in a way I'm glad to hear Murph is doing better, but being a pale imitation of who he was supposed to replace, I'm also hoping he does well enough to be a trade piece; we shouldn't be building around him |
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