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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 31, 2022 21:03:44 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Aug 1, 2022 2:30:48 GMT -6
Wow! And they are a lot worse odds than even the Kraken.
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Post by phill9 on Aug 1, 2022 7:12:42 GMT -6
That's what happens when you let Gus get away
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Post by steamer on Aug 1, 2022 14:42:16 GMT -6
Still hard to get into the mindset that good is bad and bad is good.
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 1, 2022 14:55:30 GMT -6
Still hard to get into the mindset that good is bad and bad is good. I get that. But, under the present circumstances, one has to hope for a cellar dwelling finish. |
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Post by Nikos on Aug 1, 2022 15:18:15 GMT -6
Well hopefully with Greenberg now there he can show them how the Cubs "sucked" for basically 4-5 years and landed some high picks.
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Post by steamer on Aug 1, 2022 15:23:26 GMT -6
Still hard to get into the mindset that good is bad and bad is good. I get that. But, under the present circumstances, one has to hope for a cellar dwelling finish. Totally agree but when I watch the games this coming season it will be weird to want them to lose. |
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Post by phill9 on Aug 1, 2022 16:57:38 GMT -6
I get that. But, under the present circumstances, one has to hope for a cellar dwelling finish. Totally agree but when I watch the games this coming season it will be weird to want them to lose. You don't have to WANT them to lose, but you can enjoy it every time they do! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 1, 2022 18:21:55 GMT -6
I get that. But, under the present circumstances, one has to hope for a cellar dwelling finish. Totally agree but when I watch the games this coming season it will be weird to want them to lose. Yes, but, wanting them to lose will only be your mode for 3 to 5 years. Then, perhaps, maybe and possibly, you will be able to want them to win again. Fortunately, for me, I will be able to cheer for any other team in the league except for the Bolts, the Blues and the Pens. So, that gives me a lot of teams to cheer for. With the Bolts around, I needed them all last year and finally, the last one standing came through. I suspect it will be another similar situation again this year. I wouldn't mind the Leafs winning it all. I feel sorry for them. I don't have the disgust for them that a lot of Canadians have. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 1, 2022 18:44:31 GMT -6
Totally agree but when I watch the games this coming season it will be weird to want them to lose. Yes, but, wanting them to lose will only be your mode for 3 to 5 years. Then, perhaps, maybe and possibly, you will be able to want them to win again. Fortunately, for me, I will be able to cheer for any other team in the league except for the Bolts, the Blues and the Pens. So, that gives me a lot of teams to cheer for. With the Bolts around, I needed them all last year and finally, the last one standing came through. I suspect it will be another similar situation again this year. I wouldn't mind the Leafs winning it all. I feel sorry for them. I don't have the disgust for them that a lot of Canadians have. Feel similar to you about the Leafs. Not a fan but don’t actively dislike them. They will probably have another tough go of it in the East but maybe they can finally break through. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 2, 2022 9:52:23 GMT -6
Yes, but, wanting them to lose will only be your mode for 3 to 5 years. Then, perhaps, maybe and possibly, you will be able to want them to win again. Fortunately, for me, I will be able to cheer for any other team in the league except for the Bolts, the Blues and the Pens. So, that gives me a lot of teams to cheer for. With the Bolts around, I needed them all last year and finally, the last one standing came through. I suspect it will be another similar situation again this year. I wouldn't mind the Leafs winning it all. I feel sorry for them. I don't have the disgust for them that a lot of Canadians have. Feel similar to you about the Leafs. Not a fan but don’t actively dislike them. They will probably have another tough go of it in the East but maybe they can finally break through. Their season might well be determined by how well their goalies do. Big question marks at that spot. They still have a potent offense and competent defense. Also, I read that Kerfoot had not yet been signed for this season. I am not surprised after he gave the series to the Bolts. I still can't believe he was not prosecuted for that "gift". |
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Post by BigT on Aug 2, 2022 13:57:17 GMT -6
Totally agree but when I watch the games this coming season it will be weird to want them to lose. Yes, but, wanting them to lose will only be your mode for 3 to 5 years. Then, perhaps, maybe and possibly, you will be able to want them to win again. Fortunately, for me, I will be able to cheer for any other team in the league except for the Bolts, the Blues and the Pens. So, that gives me a lot of teams to cheer for. With the Bolts around, I needed them all last year and finally, the last one standing came through. I suspect it will be another similar situation again this year. I wouldn't mind the Leafs winning it all. I feel sorry for them. I don't have the disgust for them that a lot of Canadians have. Gotta realize. In Canadaland, you’re force fed the leaves. So that’s why there’s haste towards them. Also, Mathews only has 2 years left on his deal. If they don’t win this year and can’t sign him next summer. He’ll 💯 be dealt. No way they allow what happened to Calgary happen to them. So. Things will be very interesting next off-season. For a bunch of teams!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 2, 2022 14:32:43 GMT -6
Yes, but, wanting them to lose will only be your mode for 3 to 5 years. Then, perhaps, maybe and possibly, you will be able to want them to win again. Fortunately, for me, I will be able to cheer for any other team in the league except for the Bolts, the Blues and the Pens. So, that gives me a lot of teams to cheer for. With the Bolts around, I needed them all last year and finally, the last one standing came through. I suspect it will be another similar situation again this year. I wouldn't mind the Leafs winning it all. I feel sorry for them. I don't have the disgust for them that a lot of Canadians have. Gotta realize. In Canadaland, you’re force fed the leaves. So that’s why there’s haste towards them. Also, Mathews only has 2 years left on his deal. If they don’t win this year and can’t sign him next summer. He’ll 💯 be dealt. No way they allow what happened to Calgary happen to them. So. Things will be very interesting next off-season. For a bunch of teams!!! I would guess that if the Leafs do not win the Cup in the 22/23 season, Mathews will want out of there. I would assume that like most red-blooded hockey players, he will want to win at least one Cup and not winning it this coming season would be a pretty good sign that he should seek that Cup win somewhere else. By contrast though, it does appear judging by Kane and Toews that once it has been won three times, winning it again; or even being on a team that has a good shot for it is not a big deal. Maybe they don't miss the pressure that accompanies the chase. Better to close out the careers in an unpressurized environment free from stress and injuries. Just play it cool and wave to the adoring fans. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 3, 2022 8:39:52 GMT -6
Gotta realize. In Canadaland, you’re force fed the leaves. So that’s why there’s haste towards them. Also, Mathews only has 2 years left on his deal. If they don’t win this year and can’t sign him next summer. He’ll 💯 be dealt. No way they allow what happened to Calgary happen to them. So. Things will be very interesting next off-season. For a bunch of teams!!! I would guess that if the Leafs do not win the Cup in the 22/23 season, Mathews will want out of there. I would assume that like most red-blooded hockey players, he will want to win at least one Cup and not winning it this coming season would be a pretty good sign that he should seek that Cup win somewhere else. By contrast though, it does appear judging by Kane and Toews that once it has been won three times, winning it again; or even being on a team that has a good shot for it is not a big deal. Maybe they don't miss the pressure that accompanies the chase. Better to close out the careers in an unpressurized environment free from stress and injuries. Just play it cool and wave to the adoring fans. Judging from Toews' last two interviews,that's not his intention at all jack and Kane's silence probably speaks volumes too. Two of the last three off-season's saw massive spending sprees,last year alone saw MAF,Jones and McCabe added for HUGE $$$,the return of JT,D-Cat comin' off a 50 goal pace season and Hagle coming off a solid rookie year. Maybe K&T 'bought in' and thought they had a chance. Maybe Kane does want to stay and chase franchise records(I dunno who's goona help him if he does) but that doen't make him a bad athlete if he does.........but I doubt he does. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 3, 2022 10:08:49 GMT -6
I would guess that if the Leafs do not win the Cup in the 22/23 season, Mathews will want out of there. I would assume that like most red-blooded hockey players, he will want to win at least one Cup and not winning it this coming season would be a pretty good sign that he should seek that Cup win somewhere else. By contrast though, it does appear judging by Kane and Toews that once it has been won three times, winning it again; or even being on a team that has a good shot for it is not a big deal. Maybe they don't miss the pressure that accompanies the chase. Better to close out the careers in an unpressurized environment free from stress and injuries. Just play it cool and wave to the adoring fans. Judging from Toews' last two interviews,that's not his intention at all jack and Kane's silence probably speaks volumes too. Two of the last three off-season's saw massive spending sprees,last year alone saw MAF,Jones and McCabe added for HUGE $$$,the return of JT,D-Cat comin' off a 50 goal pace season and Hagle coming off a solid rookie year. Maybe K&T 'bought in' and thought they had a chance. Maybe Kane does want to stay and chase franchise records(I dunno who's goona help him if he does) but that doen't make him a bad athlete if he does.........but I doubt he does. Actually, I could understand if both K & T, or either, would be content to get away from the pressure of trying to win the Cup, but I don't think it is the norm. Collect your $10.5M, with no pressure and injuries. What's not to like about that. Who knows what either is thinking? Maybe you are right that they bought into the idea of the team reviving, but I would think they would have had better insight than that. The fact that they are content is even more believable when there are no stories out there indicating that either is demanding a trade to some team where they can get back into playing serious hockey. I just hate to see two great players fade away on some worthless team. I'd rather see them play with a team that makes them relevant again. |
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Post by Nikos on Aug 3, 2022 11:52:58 GMT -6
19 & 88 are special players, and their accomplishments and individual accolades speak for themselves. Yes, nobody really knows what is in their head right now. Just an educate guess on my part both do not seem to me the type that just want to sit around, going through the motions and collect a paycheck. They did not get where they are taking easy or "afraid of being injured". These a highly motivated individuals who love the game and want to play their best all the time and against the best. I saw the interview with Okposo talking about Towes, right there tells you how all you need to know about Johnny. The respect others have for him "The best hockey leader I’ve ever played with” Kyle Okposo with some high praise for Jonathan Toews. www.youtube.com/watch?v=73YSVBl9XKE |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 3, 2022 18:29:47 GMT -6
19 & 88 are special players, and their accomplishments and individual accolades speak for themselves. Yes, nobody really knows what is in their head right now. Just an educate guess on my part both do not seem to me the type that just want to sit around, going through the motions and collect a paycheck. They did not get where they are taking easy or "afraid of being injured". These a highly motivated individuals who love the game and want to play their best all the time and against the best. I saw the interview with Okposo talking about Towes, right there tells you how all you need to know about Johnny. The respect others have for him "The best hockey leader I’ve ever played with” Kyle Okposo with some high praise for Jonathan Toews. www.youtube.com/watch?v=73YSVBl9XKEI suppose that both those guys are being upright players and keeping their mouths shut about what they want as publicly demanding a trade would diminish what the team can get for them, if trade discussions are being held. So, it may be that they both want out but are playing it straight to max the return for the Hawks. It is unfair for me to assume that they just want to kick back, given the possibility that they are being honorable players and keeping their mouths shut about what they want. |
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Post by steamer on Aug 3, 2022 19:27:52 GMT -6
Hard for me to believe they would go to great lengths to help the Blackhawks but likewise I can’t see them deliberately try to stick it to them either. Overall they have been treated well and they have busted their butts for the team. Obviously they are disappointed the team won’t be very competitive in the next 2 years and I can see where deciding what they want to do next is difficult.
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 3, 2022 21:47:26 GMT -6
Hard for me to believe they would go to great lengths to help the Blackhawks but likewise I can’t see them deliberately try to stick it to them either. Overall they have been treated well and they have busted their butts for the team. Obviously they are disappointed the team won’t be very competitive in the next 2 years and I can see where deciding what they want to do next is difficult. It may be that they have some loyalty to the franchise and are not just wanting to get on to a team with some Cup possibilities, like I assume they would. They may want to finish their contracts. I should stop guessing and what it will be will be what it is. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 4, 2022 9:17:13 GMT -6
Judging from Toews' last two interviews,that's not his intention at all jack and Kane's silence probably speaks volumes too. Two of the last three off-season's saw massive spending sprees,last year alone saw MAF,Jones and McCabe added for HUGE $$$,the return of JT,D-Cat comin' off a 50 goal pace season and Hagle coming off a solid rookie year. Maybe K&T 'bought in' and thought they had a chance. Maybe Kane does want to stay and chase franchise records(I dunno who's goona help him if he does) but that doen't make him a bad athlete if he does.........but I doubt he does. Actually, I could understand if both K & T, or either, would be content to get away from the pressure of trying to win the Cup, but I don't think it is the norm. Collect your $10.5M, with no pressure and injuries. What's not to like about that. Who knows what either is thinking? Maybe you are right that they bought into the idea of the team reviving, but I would think they would have had better insight than that. The fact that they are content is even more believable when there are no stories out there indicating that either is demanding a trade to some team where they can get back into playing serious hockey. I just hate to see two great players fade away on some worthless team. I'd rather see them play with a team that makes them relevant again. Their "insight" going into last year included the team acquiring the previous year's Vezina winner,a true top pair D-man and the veteran McCabe,it also included the return of JT after missing a full year,D-Cat coming off a 50 goal pace,Hagel coming off a solid rookie year that saw an awesome last two months and Kane in town all summer practicing with Cat and Strome.........I thought K&T had a right to expect an improved team.....most did. Dylan Strome had an excellent camp by almost all accounts,only to find himself in the press box once again in favor of players never to be heard from again,IMO,last year's awful start happened because the team just had enough of this stubborn foolishness! |
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Post by steamer on Aug 4, 2022 12:20:15 GMT -6
Yes last year’s start is a reflection of the coaching as far as I am concerned. The talent level especially the depth was sub-par but the coaching was miserable. For this coming season I guess we’re pretty sure the overall skill level will drop (particularly in the net) but presumably the coaching will improve- can’t imagine that has anywhere to go but up.
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 4, 2022 17:36:06 GMT -6
Actually, I could understand if both K & T, or either, would be content to get away from the pressure of trying to win the Cup, but I don't think it is the norm. Collect your $10.5M, with no pressure and injuries. What's not to like about that. Who knows what either is thinking? Maybe you are right that they bought into the idea of the team reviving, but I would think they would have had better insight than that. The fact that they are content is even more believable when there are no stories out there indicating that either is demanding a trade to some team where they can get back into playing serious hockey. I just hate to see two great players fade away on some worthless team. I'd rather see them play with a team that makes them relevant again. Their "insight" going into last year included the team acquiring the previous year's Vezina winner,a true top pair D-man and the veteran McCabe,it also included the return of JT after missing a full year,D-Cat coming off a 50 goal pace,Hagel coming off a solid rookie year that saw an awesome last two months and Kane in town all summer practicing with Cat and Strome.........I thought K&T had a right to expect an improved team.....most did. Dylan Strome had an excellent camp by almost all accounts,only to find himself in the press box once again in favor of players never to be heard from again,IMO,last year's awful start happened because the team just had enough of this stubborn foolishness! I am not arguing against your points which are very reasonable. But, I would think that K & T would have sensed that Harry Potter, as you love to call him, was clueless and could never get that team going. Sensing that, they should have got the hell out of Dodge City. That is just to throw a contrary opinion, or different point of view out there and not to say it is the correct one. It sure can't be any fun to be out there with no chance of having a winning record. Go get another Cup somewhere. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 5, 2022 8:52:24 GMT -6
Their "insight" going into last year included the team acquiring the previous year's Vezina winner,a true top pair D-man and the veteran McCabe,it also included the return of JT after missing a full year,D-Cat coming off a 50 goal pace,Hagel coming off a solid rookie year that saw an awesome last two months and Kane in town all summer practicing with Cat and Strome.........I thought K&T had a right to expect an improved team.....most did. Dylan Strome had an excellent camp by almost all accounts,only to find himself in the press box once again in favor of players never to be heard from again,IMO,last year's awful start happened because the team just had enough of this stubborn foolishness! I am not arguing against your points which are very reasonable. But, I would think that K & T would have sensed that Harry Potter, as you love to call him, was clueless and could never get that team going. Sensing that, they should have got the hell out of Dodge City. That is just to throw a contrary opinion, or different point of view out there and not to say it is the correct one. It sure can't be any fun to be out there with no chance of having a winning record. Go get another Cup somewhere. And I understand your line of thinking as well jack,I just think the boys hoped their HC would learn and develop and bought in going into the season with all the additions. Then they see Strome once again in the press box to start the season after a summer practicing with Kane&Cat and a good camp and the things you mentioned sunk in I guess. The team still had some holes but it was improved from the year before and they looked good in pre-season too,SOMETHING completely knocked em off the rails at the start and the fact that a career AHL coach could get em back on the rails immediately spoke volumes. Digging out of that 1-10-3 start took a lot and those 'holes' were still there........losing MAF and Hagel assured a bad finish. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 5, 2022 11:53:11 GMT -6
I am not arguing against your points which are very reasonable. But, I would think that K & T would have sensed that Harry Potter, as you love to call him, was clueless and could never get that team going. Sensing that, they should have got the hell out of Dodge City. That is just to throw a contrary opinion, or different point of view out there and not to say it is the correct one. It sure can't be any fun to be out there with no chance of having a winning record. Go get another Cup somewhere. And I understand your line of thinking as well jack,I just think the boys hoped their HC would learn and develop and bought in going into the season with all the additions. Then they see Strome once again in the press box to start the season after a summer practicing with Kane&Cat and a good camp and the things you mentioned sunk in I guess. The team still had some holes but it was improved from the year before and they looked good in pre-season too,SOMETHING completely knocked em off the rails at the start and the fact that a career AHL coach could get em back on the rails immediately spoke volumes. Digging out of that 1-10-3 start took a lot and those 'holes' were still there........losing MAF and Hagel assured a bad finish. Good points, as usual, 98% of the time. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 23, 2022 4:53:55 GMT -6
I am not arguing against your points which are very reasonable. But, I would think that K & T would have sensed that Harry Potter, as you love to call him, was clueless and could never get that team going. Sensing that, they should have got the hell out of Dodge City. That is just to throw a contrary opinion, or different point of view out there and not to say it is the correct one. It sure can't be any fun to be out there with no chance of having a winning record. Go get another Cup somewhere. And I understand your line of thinking as well jack,I just think the boys hoped their HC would learn and develop and bought in going into the season with all the additions. Then they see Strome once again in the press box to start the season after a summer practicing with Kane&Cat and a good camp and the things you mentioned sunk in I guess. The team still had some holes but it was improved from the year before and they looked good in pre-season too,SOMETHING completely knocked em off the rails at the start and the fact that a career AHL coach could get em back on the rails immediately spoke volumes. Digging out of that 1-10-3 start took a lot and those 'holes' were still there........losing MAF and Hagel assured a bad finish. The thing that knocked them off the rails was signing Gus right after the pre-season. The top 4 was set and played almost every game together in the preseason, McCabe-S.Jones and Stillman-Murphy, then Gus comes in and gets top4 minutes, usually playing with Seth, then de Haan goes from the 3rd pair to the top4. And Strome being benched after a good camp really screwed things up as well. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 23, 2022 8:49:30 GMT -6
And I understand your line of thinking as well jack,I just think the boys hoped their HC would learn and develop and bought in going into the season with all the additions. Then they see Strome once again in the press box to start the season after a summer practicing with Kane&Cat and a good camp and the things you mentioned sunk in I guess. The team still had some holes but it was improved from the year before and they looked good in pre-season too,SOMETHING completely knocked em off the rails at the start and the fact that a career AHL coach could get em back on the rails immediately spoke volumes. Digging out of that 1-10-3 start took a lot and those 'holes' were still there........losing MAF and Hagel assured a bad finish. The thing that knocked them off the rails was signing Gus right after the pre-season. The top 4 was set and played almost every game together in the preseason, McCabe-S.Jones and Stillman-Murphy, then Gus comes in and gets top4 minutes, usually playing with Seth, then de Haan goes from the 3rd pair to the top4. And Strome being benched after a good camp really screwed things up as well. All these moves have consequences,especially bringing back a useless D-man and feeding him fairly big minutes. It sounds like this Beaudin kid might have spoiled down in Rockford,I know it's a kid's job to stay ready and work hard but he and Mitchell both saw DUMBASS sign two vet D-men(1 long-term,1 forever),one's brother and your buddy dis-GUS-ting.........NINE months after publishing a letter announcing a rebuild/youth movement........I spoiled too! Mitchell on the other hand has kept his attitude up and is coming off a real solid year at Rockford after three stellar seasons at Denver,a U20,2 U18's and 1 Team Canada appearance. I didn't mind him at the NHL level either because he seems to have the necessary foot-speed but he only saw 8gms last year after seeing 39 the year before.......what will he see this year @23 after paying his dues with the addition of Johnson and S Jones re-do? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 24, 2022 8:06:56 GMT -6
You also have to figure that the fallout from the Beach debacle entered into it as well.
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Post by steamer on Aug 25, 2022 8:44:27 GMT -6
Yeah I would like to see Mitchell in the D group this year. Give him a legitimate chance.
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Post by Tater on Aug 25, 2022 9:44:52 GMT -6
New numbers. I hope the Sikura number is for Rockford.
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Post by hsbob on Aug 25, 2022 11:04:16 GMT -6
Yeah I would like to see Mitchell in the D group this year. Give him a legitimate chance. There's absolutely nothing to lose by doing so and possibly something to gain with the young D-man in the last year of his contract if he plays well under Richerdson's tutelage and I still think Stillman improves with more games and better coaching too. |
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