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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 17, 2022 0:22:28 GMT -6
What is a big enough return? We know that the Lightening and the Panthers have no 1st rounders and they have been dipping into their talent pool so two of the favorite destinations have little to offer that we are looking for and that is early draft picks. The Avalanche cannot afford either player and there is no telling what the loss of a player like Kadri will take out of their lineup come playoff time. He was our healthy Andrew Shaw. If traded, they will be going to their desired team so why not sign an extension if the other team wanted one. The Panthers would not trade for Tkachuk without one. I hold out hope they will stay, and I believe Chicago would offer them more than other teams would be willing to. For Kane I'd trade him to the Rangers and get Kakko and some picks. Unless they're still willing to trade Lafreniere but I doubt it. My spider sense tells kane will end up with the rags and finish his career there. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 17, 2022 0:40:21 GMT -6
For Kane I'd trade him to the Rangers and get Kakko and some picks. Unless they're still willing to trade Lafreniere but I doubt it. My spider sense tells kane will end up with the rags and finish his career there. You take that spidey sense back right now!!!  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 17, 2022 0:44:12 GMT -6
My spider sense tells kane will end up with the rags and finish his career there. You take that spidey sense back right now!!! Don't worry. It never worked worth a shit anyways. But...if he wants another cup or 2, the rags got many of the pieces in place and are still one of the youngest teams in the league. In my eyes it makes too much sense. Edit: and panarin of course. |
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Post by phill9 on Oct 17, 2022 5:55:41 GMT -6
No new contract no big return especially if they agree to a limited number of teams. Why mortgage the future when other teams can wait a few months then sign them as a UFA and the Blackhawks get nothing. Go or stay they will be signed by the end of January. Because that is what teams that are close do. Look at the Panthers, they have no 1st or second round picks for several years as they see their window is now. Now they might not make it, but unless you try you will never succeed. The Avs traded for Artturi Lehkonen and Canadiens received defenseman prospect Justin Barron and a second-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft, and Darcy Kuemper and Coyotes receive defenseman Timmins, first-round pick in 2022 Draft. Both of these players helped Avs win the cup. Antoine Vermette was huge in the 2015 cup win particularly in the WCF and Stanley Cup finals, I do not think the Hawks regret trading their 1st round pick. Panthers have their 2nd round picks in both the 2023 and 2025 drafts. They have no 1st for at least the next 3 seasons |
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Post by Nikos on Oct 17, 2022 6:27:47 GMT -6
Because that is what teams that are close do. Look at the Panthers, they have no 1st or second round picks for several years as they see their window is now. Now they might not make it, but unless you try you will never succeed. The Avs traded for Artturi Lehkonen and Canadiens received defenseman prospect Justin Barron and a second-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft, and Darcy Kuemper and Coyotes receive defenseman Timmins, first-round pick in 2022 Draft. Both of these players helped Avs win the cup. Antoine Vermette was huge in the 2015 cup win particularly in the WCF and Stanley Cup finals, I do not think the Hawks regret trading their 1st round pick. None of the players mentioned received a massive haul. Just your average trades. And 88 is not just none of those players. The Hawks are just looking to acquire assets, the more you have the better your odds are in turning those into NHL players. Also, accumulation of assets gives KD more leverage if he is looking g to trade up or down in the draft. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 17, 2022 8:03:57 GMT -6
Because that is what teams that are close do. Look at the Panthers, they have no 1st or second round picks for several years as they see their window is now. Now they might not make it, but unless you try you will never succeed. The Avs traded for Artturi Lehkonen and Canadiens received defenseman prospect Justin Barron and a second-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft, and Darcy Kuemper and Coyotes receive defenseman Timmins, first-round pick in 2022 Draft. Both of these players helped Avs win the cup. Antoine Vermette was huge in the 2015 cup win particularly in the WCF and Stanley Cup finals, I do not think the Hawks regret trading their 1st round pick. Panthers have their 2nd round picks in both the 2023 and 2025 drafts. They have no 1st for at least the next 3 seasons that's no gudas. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 17, 2022 8:21:17 GMT -6
seeing as we've answered the "which game will be the first win" question, next up is: how many more games will it take for 88 to ask to be traded so he isn't stuck with shite linemates anymore? I have to think both Kane and Toews want to be here for Big Hoss' jersey retirement ceremony and I'm sure mgnt wants that too. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 17, 2022 8:51:48 GMT -6
88 will bring a big enough return without an extension. neither is signing an extension just to be traded, either. they can just wait and go where ever they want next summer. What is a big enough return? We know that the Lightening and the Panthers have no 1st rounders and they have been dipping into their talent pool so two of the favorite destinations have little to offer that we are looking for and that is early draft picks. The Avalanche cannot afford either player and there is no telling what the loss of a player like Kadri will take out of their lineup come playoff time. He was our healthy Andrew Shaw. If traded, they will be going to their desired team so why not sign an extension if the other team wanted one. The Panthers would not trade for Tkachuk without one. I hold out hope they will stay, and I believe Chicago would offer them more than other teams would be willing to. The Tkachuk example,where both teams and the player are involved in a 'sign and trade' scenario does happen but a player signing an extension just to make himself more valuable for his current team in trade doesn't. The new team and player both use those post-trade, six weeks of late,important regular season games and possibly some pressure packed PO games to see how the chemistry works and how their end of season cap situation works out before making the commitment.......the player can still be offered max term if that's an issue. What's a big enough return? Fla gave up a 1st or Giroux and we gave up one for Ladd,I don't believe either team intended to sign either player the following year even though both played well for their new teams.....both were pure rentals that brought 1st's. There's been plenty of other examples too but my mind's a little foggy/smokey this morning......LOL. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 17, 2022 9:42:04 GMT -6
88 will bring a big enough return without an extension. neither is signing an extension just to be traded, either. they can just wait and go where ever they want next summer. What is a big enough return? We know that the Lightening and the Panthers have no 1st rounders and they have been dipping into their talent pool so two of the favorite destinations have little to offer that we are looking for and that is early draft picks. The Avalanche cannot afford either player and there is no telling what the loss of a player like Kadri will take out of their lineup come playoff time. He was our healthy Andrew Shaw. If traded, they will be going to their desired team so why not sign an extension if the other team wanted one. The Panthers would not trade for Tkachuk without one. I hold out hope they will stay, and I believe Chicago would offer them more than other teams would be willing to. anything more than nothing. they can leave for free next summer. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 17, 2022 9:44:49 GMT -6
For Kane I'd trade him to the Rangers and get Kakko and some picks. Unless they're still willing to trade Lafreniere but I doubt it. My spider sense tells kane will end up with the rags and finish his career there. I hope you're right. I also hope they give us multiple assets for him. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 17, 2022 10:13:30 GMT -6
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 17, 2022 12:12:39 GMT -6
I think Laz is trying to hold on to the old guard. He has nothing to write about if he doesn’t have those two to cling on to. He’s not a guy who writes shit about guys. He likes to be “part of the team”. Without them he’s lost. He knows no one newer on the team and I believe he’s just like the rest of us…… afraid of change. Anyways. I think it’s Lazerus’s rallying cry to keep them around! I doubt either gets signed at the years end. And I think if the winning keeps up, you’ll see a totally different pp and pk. Which will push them right out of town!!! he is saying Toews will be traded and that Kane is looking for a reason to stay cuz he doesn't want to leave. he's even said he think 88 might re-sign with the 'hawks after the season if he is traded... Maybe Kane wants to stay cuz he has the same gene as Mike Trout in baseball which causes one to stay on teams that suck and will never be mentioned in a discussion about the playoffs. Or, maybe Kane and Trout don't want the pressure of the playoffs. It is easier to go through the motions in the regular season and then be gone early to enjoy the offseason and all the money they have been paid to skate around for 18 minutes or play 9 innings a game. Still hard for me to see how a star athlete does not want to play on a team that will be in the playoffs and have a chance for a championship. Maybe it is been there, done that for Kane. It sure can't be any fun playing on a team that is awful and does not allow a guy like Kane to display all his skills. He'll be lucky to get 15 goals this year and maybe 30 assists. Right now, he is on track for no goals and 27 assists. |
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Post by nighbor on Oct 17, 2022 14:31:02 GMT -6
What is a big enough return? We know that the Lightening and the Panthers have no 1st rounders and they have been dipping into their talent pool so two of the favorite destinations have little to offer that we are looking for and that is early draft picks. The Avalanche cannot afford either player and there is no telling what the loss of a player like Kadri will take out of their lineup come playoff time. He was our healthy Andrew Shaw. If traded, they will be going to their desired team so why not sign an extension if the other team wanted one. The Panthers would not trade for Tkachuk without one. I hold out hope they will stay, and I believe Chicago would offer them more than other teams would be willing to. For Kane I'd trade him to the Rangers and get Kakko and some picks. Unless they're still willing to trade Lafreniere but I doubt it. Both NY players you mentioned have Kirby numbers and that was not enough here. What changed. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 17, 2022 15:28:03 GMT -6
We’re only 3 games into the season but seeing Sam Lafferty as one of team leaders in points is a little disconcerting. However, his level of effort so far is a model for the rest of the team to follow.
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Post by Nikos on Oct 17, 2022 16:06:37 GMT -6
For Kane I'd trade him to the Rangers and get Kakko and some picks. Unless they're still willing to trade Lafreniere but I doubt it. Both NY players you mentioned have Kirby numbers and that was not enough here. What changed. Sometimes a change a scenery is good. Dach was thrust into a top six role immediately. Kakko to your point has struggled, but you see the occasional highlight reel play and talent and size to succeed, really did not see that much from Dach offensively other than pretty sound defensively, albeit his faceoff % was horrendous. I believe Lafreniere is just starting to show what he can do. I agree with OTH I do not believe the Rangers move him but could see Kakko and a pick or possibly Vitali Kravtsov, a 6' 3" forward, currently low on the depth chart or some kind of combination of the three. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 17, 2022 16:14:37 GMT -6
I think the Rangers would be crazy to trade Lafreniere although everyone is potentially tradeable I guess.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 17, 2022 18:37:22 GMT -6
Both NY players you mentioned have Kirby numbers and that was not enough here. What changed. Sometimes a change a scenery is good. Dach was thrust into a top six role immediately. Kakko to your point has struggled, but you see the occasional highlight reel play and talent and size to succeed, really did not see that much from Dach offensively other than pretty sound defensively, albeit his faceoff % was horrendous. I believe Lafreniere is just starting to show what he can do. I agree with OTH I do not believe the Rangers move him but could see Kakko and a pick or possibly Vitali Kravtsov, a 6' 3" forward, currently low on the depth chart or some kind of combination of the three. Actually Dach started on the 4th line with Carpenter with no PP time for most of his first season, near the end he was on the 3rd line with Kubalik and set up Kubs 30th. Kakko and Hughes were put on the top 6 right away and played with much better players, Kakko has struggled but he's still a big skilled winger, a change of scenery would benefit him. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 17, 2022 18:39:29 GMT -6
I think the Rangers would be crazy to trade Lafreniere although everyone is potentially tradeable I guess. That's basically what we've been saying, Lafreniere really stepped up in the playoffs so it's very unlikely they'll trade him. So go after Kakko and a prospect and pick, or multiple picks. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 18, 2022 7:31:10 GMT -6
I think the Rangers would be crazy to trade Lafreniere although everyone is potentially tradeable I guess. I also doubt their trading him. I can really see him becoming a Mackinnon Clone. Started slow but will get it. So, I think at this point for Kane. I’d leave Kakko out of it. I’d aim for 2 first rounders and Brennan Othmann. I seen Othmann play in the playoffs last year for Flint and he was a good player. Flint lost to my Spitfires in round 3. I think that’d be a solid return. Othmann will probably play for team Canada Jrs. Hawks need forward depth, he adds to it and had 97 points in 66 games last year. Already has 7g 6a in 7 games this year. Could very well be a future top 6 forward. Plus the 2 first rounders won’t hurt the Rags as they’ve got 2 in this years draft. So I could see getting 2023 and 24 first rounders. Which would give 6 first rounders to the Hawks in the next two years. Plus if a Toews trade happened, It should get another 1st rounder, that would be sweet. Having 4 first rounders this year would really really help. Even if they’re late firsts, it doesn’t matter this year, deep draft. Look at Ottawa, they had a bunch of firsts 2nds and 3rds over the last 3-4 years and they’re looking better, much better. Hawks could be the same in a few years time!!! |
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