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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 24, 2019 21:53:12 GMT -6
Last year during the playoffs, I thought that the Blues got away with a lot of cross checks that were not called. Many here told me to get lost, it was just playoff hockey. One of the biggest offenders for the Blues was Bortuzzo. Well, on Saturday night, he leveled Arvidsson of the Preds with two cross checks, one when he was in the crease and the second as he tried to get up.
Arvidsson will miss 4 to 6 weeks with a lower body injury from the cross check. Bortuzzo got suspended for four games, so he will miss about one and one-half weeks. The NHL is so f'd up with its approach to the safety of the game. Not only was Bortuzzo's action designed to injure for he pushed Arvidsson's head right toward the cross bar of the goal, but the discrepancy between Bortuzzo missing four games and Arvidsson missing 4 to 6 weeks is inexcusable. But, that's the NHL for you. By the way, I still hate the Blues as it is pretty obvious they found last year that they could get away with any number of dangerous plays, so they are resorting to same style of play this year. I can only hope that someone levels Bortuzzo and disables him from ever playing again. It is ok with me if he can still walk, though.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 24, 2019 22:14:34 GMT -6
Last year during the playoffs, I thought that the Blues got away with a lot of cross checks that were not called. Many here told me to get lost, it was just playoff hockey. One of the biggest offenders for the Blues was Bortuzzo. Well, on Saturday night, he leveled Arvidsson of the Preds with two cross checks, one when he was in the crease and the second as he tried to get up. Arvidsson will miss 4 to 6 weeks with a lower body injury from the cross check. Bortuzzo got suspended for four games, so he will miss about one and one-half weeks. The NHL is so f'd up with its approach to the safety of the game. Not only was Bortuzzo's action designed to injure for he pushed Arvidsson's head right toward the cross bar of the goal, but the discrepancy between Bortuzzo missing four games and Arvidsson missing 4 to 6 weeks is inexcusable. But, that's the NHL for you. By the way, I still hate the Blues as it is pretty obvious they found last year that they could get away with any number of dangerous plays, so they are resorting to same style of play this year. I can only hope that someone levels Bortuzzo and disables him from ever playing again. It is ok with me if he can still walk, though. I've always said that if a serious injury occurs from a blatant hit to injure, they should be suspended for twice as long as the player that is injured. And also the team should be fined a few million to boot. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 25, 2019 6:35:06 GMT -6
don't get me wrong. spitting at someone else is one of the lowest forms of human activity that i can think of.
but come on. the spitter got 3 games and the repeat offending cross checker just gets 4?
one victim wipes the spit off of his face and carries on, the other's laid up 6 weeks.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 25, 2019 9:41:47 GMT -6
They have a rematch tonight in trashville.
Let's see if any retaliation tonight.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 25, 2019 9:51:17 GMT -6
Last year during the playoffs, I thought that the Blues got away with a lot of cross checks that were not called. Many here told me to get lost, it was just playoff hockey. One of the biggest offenders for the Blues was Bortuzzo. Well, on Saturday night, he leveled Arvidsson of the Preds with two cross checks, one when he was in the crease and the second as he tried to get up. Arvidsson will miss 4 to 6 weeks with a lower body injury from the cross check. Bortuzzo got suspended for four games, so he will miss about one and one-half weeks. The NHL is so f'd up with its approach to the safety of the game. Not only was Bortuzzo's action designed to injure for he pushed Arvidsson's head right toward the cross bar of the goal, but the discrepancy between Bortuzzo missing four games and Arvidsson missing 4 to 6 weeks is inexcusable. But, that's the NHL for you. By the way, I still hate the Blues as it is pretty obvious they found last year that they could get away with any number of dangerous plays, so they are resorting to same style of play this year. I can only hope that someone levels Bortuzzo and disables him from ever playing again. It is ok with me if he can still walk, though. I've always said that if a serious injury occurs from a blatant hit to injure, they should be suspended for twice as long as the player that is injured. And also the team should be fined a few million to boot. Not in the NHL. In its view, an intent to injure with success is a manly act and should only get a small suspension. Look at the NFL, when a guy hits another guy with his helmet with no injury and no loss of time for the "victim", the offender gets suspended indefinitely. Here the victim gets knocked out of action for 4 to 6 weeks. Disgusting! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 10:01:25 GMT -6
I've had issues with on ice officials in this matter too! I've always thought it was ridiculous when you slash and break a guys stick and it's a penalty. But how many times does a player get slashed across the hands or wrist and no call? Players have had their fingers, hands, or wrists broken by a slash but not only is there no call on the ice, many times it never gets reviewed by the player safety committee.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 25, 2019 10:25:22 GMT -6
Guess I'll admit I'm the bad guy who didn't mind the return of physical hockey in last year's PO's but I also have to admit that some the actions that I turned a blind eye towards would have pissed me off if they were taken against a Kane or a Toews. Just bein' honest.
The first cross check was dirty and dangerous but it was a hockey play,like it or not. The second cross check came after Bortuzzo took exception with the deserved penalty and then proceeded to deliver a 2nd,even more egregious and deliberate attempt to injure a defenseless player and DID injure that player. How the ref who called the penalty didn't immediately change it to a major and an ejection after the 2nd cross check is a major fail and the suspension should have been 10 games minimum.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 25, 2019 17:27:51 GMT -6
Guess I'll admit I'm the bad guy who didn't mind the return of physical hockey in last year's PO's but I also have to admit that some the actions that I turned a blind eye towards would have pissed me off if they were taken against a Kane or a Toews. Just bein' honest. The first cross check was dirty and dangerous but it was a hockey play,like it or not. The second cross check came after Bortuzzo took exception with the deserved penalty and then proceeded to deliver a 2nd,even more egregious and deliberate attempt to injure a defenseless player and DID injure that player. How the ref who called the penalty didn't immediately change it to a major and an ejection after the 2nd cross check is a major fail and the suspension should have been 10 games minimum. Bob: What I said last year in my campaign against the dirty cross check is that all who lined up against my campaign would have lined up with me if Kane or Toews had been the victims, so I am glad to see you admit it. I just see no reason for the over the top cross check ala Bortuzzo as a hockey play. I can see using a short extension cross check in some phases of the game, but most cross checks are done by long extension with either an intent to injure or a reckless disregard of what effect it will have on a player's body. In my opinion, both of Bortuzzo's cross checks cross the line and I agree that it should have immediately been called a major. The fact that it wasn't reveals just how much the league is in love with the type of cross check that can end a player's career and render him a paraplegic or quadraplegic. There is no need for it and I remain opposed to it. When I see what is called roughing the passer in the NFL and how a cross check is viewed as a "hockey play", I realize that the NHL will only change its thinking after someone is paralyzed or killed by a bad cross check. So, in the meantime, what the hell, I am not on the receiving end and players are willing participants in that unnecessary violence that the league does nothing to stop. Does it really think that the game itself is not enough to attract/keep fans, but it must resort to unnecessary violence to attract/keep fans? It used to sell fighting as part of the attraction package, but that changed, so I don't see why it has retained the Bortuzzo type of cross check. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 25, 2019 18:22:36 GMT -6
Guess I'll admit I'm the bad guy who didn't mind the return of physical hockey in last year's PO's but I also have to admit that some the actions that I turned a blind eye towards would have pissed me off if they were taken against a Kane or a Toews. Just bein' honest. The first cross check was dirty and dangerous but it was a hockey play,like it or not. The second cross check came after Bortuzzo took exception with the deserved penalty and then proceeded to deliver a 2nd,even more egregious and deliberate attempt to injure a defenseless player and DID injure that player. How the ref who called the penalty didn't immediately change it to a major and an ejection after the 2nd cross check is a major fail and the suspension should have been 10 games minimum. Bob: What I said last year in my campaign against the dirty cross check is that all who lined up against my campaign would have lined up with me if Kane or Toews had been the victims, so I am glad to see you admit it. I just see no reason for the over the top cross check ala Bortuzzo as a hockey play. I can see using a short extension cross check in some phases of the game, but most cross checks are done by long extension with either an intent to injure or a reckless disregard of what effect it will have on a player's body. In my opinion, both of Bortuzzo's cross checks cross the line and I agree that it should have immediately been called a major. The fact that it wasn't reveals just how much the league is in love with the type of cross check that can end a player's career and render him a paraplegic or quadraplegic. There is no need for it and I remain opposed to it. When I see what is called roughing the passer in the NFL and how a cross check is viewed as a "hockey play", I realize that the NHL will only change its thinking after someone is paralyzed or killed by a bad cross check. So, in the meantime, what the hell, I am not on the receiving end and players are willing participants in that unnecessary violence that the league does nothing to stop. Does it really think that the game itself is not enough to attract/keep fans, but it must resort to unnecessary violence to attract/keep fans? It used to sell fighting as part of the attraction package, but that changed, so I don't see why it has retained the Bortuzzo type of cross check. I understand your problem with Bortuzzo's actions and others as well but the cross check is no more dangerous than the open ice hit to the head(Havlat,Hossa) or a slash or high-stick to the head/face or the I'll timed boarding or trip 2/3 feet from the dasher or interference against an unsuspecting opponent......they all can and have resulted in serious injury. We saw Buff absorb about 100 Pronger cross checks in the SCF and we saw Kane narrowly avoid injury against the Canes when Aho got away without even a minor call. I guess I can live with the cross check as long as it's two players on equal footing going at it in front but Bortuzzo's actions were an egregious,DELIBERATE attempt to injure a vulnerable and unprotected opponent. I DO consider the 1st cross check a 'hockey play' because it was in the course of play but that doesn't mean that I don't think it was a penalty also...…..I consider the 2nd cross check an attack. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 25, 2019 18:27:55 GMT -6
I still say fine the owners and coaches when these things happen.
Coaches suspended the same as the player and owners 5-10 million dollars.
And that money to go to players and families suffering from CTE.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 26, 2019 11:52:48 GMT -6
Bob: What I said last year in my campaign against the dirty cross check is that all who lined up against my campaign would have lined up with me if Kane or Toews had been the victims, so I am glad to see you admit it. I just see no reason for the over the top cross check ala Bortuzzo as a hockey play. I can see using a short extension cross check in some phases of the game, but most cross checks are done by long extension with either an intent to injure or a reckless disregard of what effect it will have on a player's body. In my opinion, both of Bortuzzo's cross checks cross the line and I agree that it should have immediately been called a major. The fact that it wasn't reveals just how much the league is in love with the type of cross check that can end a player's career and render him a paraplegic or quadraplegic. There is no need for it and I remain opposed to it. When I see what is called roughing the passer in the NFL and how a cross check is viewed as a "hockey play", I realize that the NHL will only change its thinking after someone is paralyzed or killed by a bad cross check. So, in the meantime, what the hell, I am not on the receiving end and players are willing participants in that unnecessary violence that the league does nothing to stop. Does it really think that the game itself is not enough to attract/keep fans, but it must resort to unnecessary violence to attract/keep fans? It used to sell fighting as part of the attraction package, but that changed, so I don't see why it has retained the Bortuzzo type of cross check. I understand your problem with Bortuzzo's actions and others as well but the cross check is no more dangerous than the open ice hit to the head(Havlat,Hossa) or a slash or high-stick to the head/face or the I'll timed boarding or trip 2/3 feet from the dasher or interference against an unsuspecting opponent......they all can and have resulted in serious injury. We saw Buff absorb about 100 Pronger cross checks in the SCF and we saw Kane narrowly avoid injury against the Canes when Aho got away without even a minor call. I guess I can live with the cross check as long as it's two players on equal footing going at it in front but Bortuzzo's actions were an egregious,DELIBERATE attempt to injure a vulnerable and unprotected opponent. I DO consider the 1st cross check a 'hockey play' because it was in the course of play but that doesn't mean that I don't think it was a penalty also...…..I consider the 2nd cross check an attack. Some rules are difficult to interpret, such as the problems we have seen in the NFL with roughing the passer and pass interference. The same is true in hockey with the cross check, boarding and slashing. As I said before, I would not outlaw all cross checks. However, my main problem is that the NHL does not go far enough in penalizing or punishing various types of violations that could result in serious injuries. The NFL has gone very far in doing so because it realizes that the value of its game depends on a good QB being around instead of being on IR. The NHL is still in the dark ages and believes that dirty, violent hits are an unavoidable part of the game. Frankly, I don't care whether it is Patrick Kane or Tarasenko or some 4th liner, there should be no toleration for violations of the rules that are egregious. I know that it is difficult to define what is egregious and what is not. But, when the league does not go "far enough" to protect players from injurious violations, I don't like it. I like clean hits even if they could result in injury. I don't like hits that are likely to result in injury and are not clean. I know those guidelines leave a lot of room for disagreement on what is a clean hit and what will result in injury, but I can't really say it any better. I still hope Bortuzzo gets disabled from playing the rest of his life as soon as he returns from his weak ass four game suspension, whether it is by clean or dirty hit. I just want to see guys like him gone from the game. There is no benefit to the game from allowing goons like him around or his type of play. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 2, 2019 21:50:33 GMT -6
wasn't sure i should post this here or in the "jokes" section.
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Post by angoti on Dec 23, 2019 15:33:20 GMT -6
Last year during the playoffs, I thought that the Blues got away with a lot of cross checks that were not called. Many here told me to get lost, it was just playoff hockey. One of the biggest offenders for the Blues was Bortuzzo. Well, on Saturday night, he leveled Arvidsson of the Preds with two cross checks, one when he was in the crease and the second as he tried to get up. Arvidsson will miss 4 to 6 weeks with a lower body injury from the cross check. Bortuzzo got suspended for four games, so he will miss about one and one-half weeks. The NHL is so f'd up with its approach to the safety of the game. Not only was Bortuzzo's action designed to injure for he pushed Arvidsson's head right toward the cross bar of the goal, but the discrepancy between Bortuzzo missing four games and Arvidsson missing 4 to 6 weeks is inexcusable. But, that's the NHL for you. By the way, I still hate the Blues as it is pretty obvious they found last year that they could get away with any number of dangerous plays, so they are resorting to same style of play this year. I can only hope that someone levels Bortuzzo and disables him from ever playing again. It is ok with me if he can still walk, though. Jack, I agree totally with the nasty dirty stuff that goes on.. and I totally agree with this Bortuzzo cross check.. my point has always been to be physical as in legal hits/checking.. I agree with intent to injure there should be a heavier price to pay. And on the other hand there are injuries that happen even when a player is legally hitting or even in a high stick situation.. I would say 99% of high sticks are accidental. Don’t get me wrong I’m not comparing a 4/6 injury from a deliberate cross check.. but as Bob mention there’s a lot that goes on in a game where sometimes you can’t fix a split second move.. it’s part of the game.. injuries happen I do like physical hockey.. but I agree not the dirty stuff that will injure.. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 3, 2020 20:41:57 GMT -6
NHL got it right this time.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 13, 2020 18:23:55 GMT -6
this one's for you, jack. : )
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Post by tincup on Feb 13, 2020 18:54:34 GMT -6
this one's for you, jack. : ) We all know the NHL and George Parros doesn’t really care about player safety, at least when it comes to Chara who has always skipped away from suspensions. If Chara sucker punches Gallagher he gets 5 minutes and maybe a suspension. Use your stick and it’s 2 minutes and his bar tab. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 25, 2023 9:02:30 GMT -6
Here is the video. There was no penalty, so the actual elbow is not shown until about the 45 second mark, but the league figured it out later and gave the ahole two games: www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60HZjzq5_Q&ab_channel=SPORTSNETSo, with Kucherov cross checking the back of the necks of downed players on a couple of occasions; Magoon doing his usual efforts to hurt people and now Cernak, it is no wonder that I can't stand the Lightning and wish them nothing but the worst for the rest of their existence. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 26, 2023 19:04:36 GMT -6
2gms for that, yet Trouba got nothing for a much more blatant elbow to Jujhar.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 14, 2023 12:17:00 GMT -6
Here is a video of last night's "cross-check" by Draisaitl on Horvat for which the former got a 2 minute minor and today, a $5000 fine: dailyhive.com/vancouver/oilers-draisaitl-fined-cross-check-horvatIt just shows how again the NHL continues to support and encourage dirty play. A 10 to 15 game suspension might have given Leon and other NHL players something to think about. But, this league wouldn't do that and keeps rolling along until someone like Bedard suffers a serious injury because some jerk decides that hurting him is the only way to put a stop to his hijinks. When it comes to discipline, the NHL is just plain awful. |
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Post by tincup on Nov 14, 2023 13:01:04 GMT -6
Here is a video of last night's "cross-check" by Draisaitl on Horvat for which the former got a 2 minute minor and today, a $5000 fine: dailyhive.com/vancouver/oilers-draisaitl-fined-cross-check-horvatIt just shows how again the NHL continues to support and encourage dirty play. A 10 to 15 game suspension might have given Leon and other NHL players something to think about. But, this league wouldn't do that and keeps rolling along until someone like Bedard suffers a serious injury because some jerk decides that hurting him is the only way to put a stop to his hijinks. When it comes to discipline, the NHL is just plain awful. Payback for this trip by Horvat earlier in the shift. Was this a penalty that should have been called, which would have negated Draisaitl’s reaction and what he sees as on-ice justice? Maybe. I’m not a fan of his or what he did, dangerous infraction to a vulnerable area, but if you’re the NHL and you see fit to administer justice, $5000 to a player who makes $100K a game doesn’t seem likely to curb much. That 5% is a GST charge on a purchase up here. …sorry, had trouble pasting the tweet |
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Post by steamer on Nov 14, 2023 16:28:03 GMT -6
Horvat should definitely have been penalized and Draisaitl got off easy for $5000. Instead of a pretty vicious crosscheck down low, how about dropping the gloves?
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2023 0:01:05 GMT -6
i moved a couple of threads about dirty plays involving cernak and more recently draisaitl into this thread. any future questionable hits or fines (which i'm sure there will be)...we might as well keep them all here in this thread.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 15, 2023 9:05:35 GMT -6
i moved a couple of threads about dirty plays involving cernak and more recently draisaitl into this thread. any future questionable hits or fines (which i'm sure there will be)...we might as well keep them all here in this thread. We all know GT is the "Structure Police" coordinator. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2023 12:08:47 GMT -6
i moved a couple of threads about dirty plays involving cernak and more recently draisaitl into this thread. any future questionable hits or fines (which i'm sure there will be)...we might as well keep them all here in this thread. We all know GT is the "Structure Police" coordinator. Is that like OCD? |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 15, 2023 12:12:53 GMT -6
i moved a couple of threads about dirty plays involving cernak and more recently draisaitl into this thread. any future questionable hits or fines (which i'm sure there will be)...we might as well keep them all here in this thread. We all know GT is the "Structure Police" coordinator. Sometimes I am afraid to post as GT might move it  |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 15, 2023 12:53:13 GMT -6
We all know GT is the "Structure Police" coordinator. Is that like OCD? Don't we all. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 15, 2023 13:49:48 GMT -6
We all know GT is the "Structure Police" coordinator. Sometimes I am afraid to post as GT might move it A few years back I posted something on the old message boards....next thing I knew the entire message board was moved. I suspected GT might have been involved 😆 |
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