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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 25, 2019 22:17:47 GMT -6
didn't know where to plunk this but since stan is allegedly involved i guess i'll put it here.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 25, 2019 23:56:40 GMT -6
didn't know where to plunk this but since stan is allegedly involved i guess i'll put it here. Guess we'll have to wait for a couple of the 30 or so former players at rockford to verify this. In his tweet he never says Peters name. And I wonder why not? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 26, 2019 9:21:18 GMT -6
But you got to love the strap on skates. Like old roller skates. You lost me at strap on!!! It won't kill ya to let the old lady drive once in a while!LOL! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2019 10:27:27 GMT -6
You lost me at strap on!!! It won't kill ya to let the old lady drive once in a while!LOL! That would definitely be what they call a hate ****. She’d drive that thing into the ditch. Hahahahaha!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2019 10:38:49 GMT -6
I’ve seen Aliu since his teen years here in Windsor. He’s been a train wreck for everywhere he’s been. I really don’t trust his accounts, it’s always racism why he didn’t make it. He seems like an entitled brat and acts the role perfectly.
I remember some idiot in London Ontario during an exhibition NHL game threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds during the shootout when he was shooting. Wayne was awesome about it and didn’t even talk much about it and let it go. He made one comment that was hilarious, he said “Well, it was the shootout and I was hungry at the time, so thank you”. The fan was dealt with accordingly, he got a couple shots in the head too on his way out. There’s no place for that junk in the game, and we’ll find out soon how much truth there is if any when or if any of his former team mates speak up. I don’t believe he was well liked as a person everywhere he played!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 26, 2019 10:50:27 GMT -6
I’ve seen Aliu since his teen years here in Windsor. He’s been a train wreck for everywhere he’s been. I really don’t trust his accounts, it’s always racism why he didn’t make it. He seems like an entitled brat and acts the role perfectly. I remember some idiot in London Ontario during an exhibition NHL game threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds during the shootout when he was shooting. Wayne was awesome about it and didn’t even talk much about it and let it go. He made one comment that was hilarious, he said “Well, it was the shootout and I was hungry at the time, so thank you”. The fan was dealt with accordingly, he got a couple shots in the head too on his way out. There’s no place for that junk in the game, and we’ll find out soon how much truth there is if any when or if any of his former team mates speak up. I don’t believe he was well liked as a person everywhere he played!!! I'll tell you how stupid this is already, on the Flames forum board they're already calling for Peters to fired over this and the players don't like him being "Mean" to them. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2019 11:49:02 GMT -6
I’ve seen Aliu since his teen years here in Windsor. He’s been a train wreck for everywhere he’s been. I really don’t trust his accounts, it’s always racism why he didn’t make it. He seems like an entitled brat and acts the role perfectly. I remember some idiot in London Ontario during an exhibition NHL game threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds during the shootout when he was shooting. Wayne was awesome about it and didn’t even talk much about it and let it go. He made one comment that was hilarious, he said “Well, it was the shootout and I was hungry at the time, so thank you”. The fan was dealt with accordingly, he got a couple shots in the head too on his way out. There’s no place for that junk in the game, and we’ll find out soon how much truth there is if any when or if any of his former team mates speak up. I don’t believe he was well liked as a person everywhere he played!!! I'll tell you how stupid this is already, on the Flames forum board they're already calling for Peters to fired over this and the players don't like him being "Mean" to them. My very close friend, his cousin s TJ Brodie, they live right beside each other and are very close. TJ said Gulitzan was the worst, and Peters is better, a lot better. Now, I know things can change, but that’s what I heard. Also, TJs agent asked him if he’d e willing to go to Chicago last summer, but they traded Hamilton instead. TJ has a 10 team no trade list, apparently that’s the most allowed when signing an RFA contract. But if Peters was that bad, I think we’d here more of it. If Peters did say those things, he probably will be blackballed from the NHL. But again, take Aliu with a tiny grain of salt!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 26, 2019 17:53:51 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 26, 2019 18:33:38 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2019 19:15:26 GMT -6
I doubt Peters ever works again in the nhl. While I agree right is right and wrong is wrong. I just fear that players will whine abuse or say anything to get at a coach they don’t agree with. I could really see the millennial generation striking!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 26, 2019 19:39:15 GMT -6
I doubt Peters ever works again in the nhl. While I agree right is right and wrong is wrong. I just fear that players will whine abuse or say anything to get at a coach they don’t agree with. I could really see the millennial generation striking!!! stick a fork in him. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2019 20:10:56 GMT -6
I doubt Peters ever works again in the nhl. While I agree right is right and wrong is wrong. I just fear that players will whine abuse or say anything to get at a coach they don’t agree with. I could really see the millennial generation striking!!! stick a fork in him. It sounds like he is guilty, and if so, what an absolute idiot. These coaches try to instil fear in these guys for the sake of their own ego. I heard Cheli and half the Wings speak out against Babs. Now Peters is heavily under fire. Why would they do that, not just to themselves, but to others? I just hope that the media doesn’t make this a bigger issue than it has to be. I hate seeing racism and negative stuff like that get all the press. Let the guy shamefully walk into his setting sun and don’t give him anymore publicity. What Peters did is racist. No other way to construe the facts now, I do hope that this ends coaches or players putting an end to any type of abuse, and I mean real abuse, not a general tongue lashing that happens from time to time!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 27, 2019 6:44:25 GMT -6
I will say one more thing on this subject. Shame on Peters for saying this garbage, and shame on Aliu for for listening to music with that language in it. What Peters said was repeating what he heard in the music. He should have chose his words a lot better and deserves to be punished for it. But if that offends Aliu so much, why listen to music with those words in it? Shame on both guys I say!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 27, 2019 7:30:50 GMT -6
I will say one more thing on this subject. Shame on Peters for saying this garbage, and shame on Aliu for for listening to music with that language in it. What Peters said was repeating what he heard in the music. He should have chose his words a lot better and deserves to be punished for it. But if that offends Aliu so much, why listen to music with those words in it? Shame on both guys I say!!! one guy was 20 or 21 while the other was 43 or 44. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 27, 2019 9:10:23 GMT -6
I will say one more thing on this subject. Shame on Peters for saying this garbage, and shame on Aliu for for listening to music with that language in it. What Peters said was repeating what he heard in the music. He should have chose his words a lot better and deserves to be punished for it. But if that offends Aliu so much, why listen to music with those words in it? Shame on both guys I say!!! one guy was 20 or 21 while the other was 43 or 44. if Bill Peters was referring to the song lyrics that was playing in the locker room, with the alleged N words, then Aliu also have some fault in this. at 20 or 21 or even as a teenager, they know those words are "taboo". Im not on Bill Peters side here, at his age, he is the mentor and the person who is supposedly guiding these young players. he definitely handled this whole thing incorrectly and he will pay for it, but Aliu is no angel either |
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Post by BigT on Nov 27, 2019 11:08:47 GMT -6
one guy was 20 or 21 while the other was 43 or 44. if Bill Peters was referring to the song lyrics that was playing in the locker room, with the alleged N words, then Aliu also have some fault in this. at 20 or 21 or even as a teenager, they know those words are "taboo". Im not on Bill Peters side here, at his age, he is the mentor and the person who is supposedly guiding these young players. he definitely handled this whole thing incorrectly and he will pay for it, but Aliu is no angel either This is exactly what I’m saying. Aliu has a horrible track record as a human. He has just as much blame playing that filth and making him be the victim. Peters never referred to Aliu as the N word. He basically said that it wasn’t acceptable, but yet he still felt the need to say it. Yes Peters is an idiot, but that shouldn’t even be thought about bringing that into the dressing room, yet he fully admits that. I find it hard to believe that Peters has to take 100% of the blame and Aliu listens to filth like that but that’s ok? And also listens to that in public, and that’s fine? I agree with you, lots of blame to go around here!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 11:40:05 GMT -6
I will say one more thing on this subject. Shame on Peters for saying this garbage, and shame on Aliu for for listening to music with that language in it. What Peters said was repeating what he heard in the music. He should have chose his words a lot better and deserves to be punished for it. But if that offends Aliu so much, why listen to music with those words in it? Shame on both guys I say!!! Neither one of us knows how extreme Aliu's music was to be honest,not all rap is gansta crap and some metal is extreme too but he's just a kid listening to the same music a lot of young white kids do too …...right. The HC could tell him to turn that shit down without throwing the N word around. Assigning equal blame is off base IMO but we do live in an era of "good people on both sides" nowadays. Shame on a kid for being racially targeted and shame on those kids for getting their bodies in the way of kicks and punches too? The guy sounds like a mean bully of a coach and I'd bet there's ton's of other examples. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 11:52:53 GMT -6
if Bill Peters was referring to the song lyrics that was playing in the locker room, with the alleged N words, then Aliu also have some fault in this. at 20 or 21 or even as a teenager, they know those words are "taboo". Im not on Bill Peters side here, at his age, he is the mentor and the person who is supposedly guiding these young players. he definitely handled this whole thing incorrectly and he will pay for it, but Aliu is no angel either This is exactly what I’m saying. Aliu has a horrible track record as a human. He has just as much blame playing that filth and making him be the victim. Peters never referred to Aliu as the N word. He basically said that it wasn’t acceptable, but yet he still felt the need to say it. Yes Peters is an idiot, but that shouldn’t even be thought about bringing that into the dressing room, yet he fully admits that. I find it hard to believe that Peters has to take 100% of the blame and Aliu listens to filth like that but that’s ok? And also listens to that in public, and that’s fine? I agree with you, lots of blame to go around here!!! You guys are doing little but running cover for an abhorrent racist who's obviously physically abused young players as well as racially insulted them in front of full locker rooms. Peters isn't an idiot.....he's a worthless jagoff who should go sell poppies on a street corner with Grapes! I'm an old,white dude too with no taste for gansta rap but I do listen to some stuff with pretty tough content and Kid Rock has said terrible things about women and drug references in his songs that would make a sailor blush. White kids listen to that music too! Steve Downey was another piece of shit who preyed on weaker,younger kids in junior......if he told me to get naked and cram myself in a bus bathroom with a bunch of other kids,I'd tell him to fuck off too. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2019 12:03:34 GMT -6
Let's recount the stories Versteeg had about the "abuse" he took from Q, all verbal, not physical as far as we know.
Also the Keenan years that Roenick used to say about the verbal abuse he took from him.
But let's face it, todays "culture" is rainbows and unicorns. I don't want to hear they were just kids either.
20 year olds are not children, hell 18 year old go to war and get shot at. If they think what Peters said to them was bad, they should try the military.
I would be the a$$hole coach who would bring in baby cribs with bottles of milk and pacifiers and tell the players if they want to have a nap between periods.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 12:31:10 GMT -6
Let's recount the stories Versteeg had about the "abuse" he took from Q, all verbal, not physical as far as we know. Also the Keenan years that Roenick used to say about the verbal abuse he took from him. But let's face it, todays "culture" is rainbows and unicorns. I don't want to hear they were just kids either. 20 year olds are not children, hell 18 year old go to war and get shot at. If they think what Peters said to them was bad, they should try the military. I would be the a$$hole coach who would bring in baby cribs with bottles of milk and pacifiers and tell the players if they want to have a nap between periods. Sounds like you're good with the racist abuse too then. Rainbows and unicorns.....are you F'n kidding me? I've always been impressed with how easily my old,white,male counterparts always completely absolve themselves and their brethren of any wrongdoing. Yeah kids get shot at when they volunteer for the military but any drill sergeant would get immediately bounced for using the slurs Peters did. I don't know if Aliu requested cribs or pacifiers...…..maybe just the same respect the white kids got. it seems like a large majority of young hockey players list rappers as their favorite artists too...….old,white guys like us don't have to like it but it is what it is. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 27, 2019 12:57:10 GMT -6
I will say one more thing on this subject. Shame on Peters for saying this garbage, and shame on Aliu for for listening to music with that language in it. What Peters said was repeating what he heard in the music. He should have chose his words a lot better and deserves to be punished for it. But if that offends Aliu so much, why listen to music with those words in it? Shame on both guys I say!!! Neither one of us knows how extreme Aliu's music was to be honest,not all rap is gansta crap and some metal is extreme too but he's just a kid listening to the same music a lot of young white kids do too …...right. The HC could tell him to turn that shit down without throwing the N word around. Assigning equal blame is off base IMO but we do live in an era of "good people on both sides" nowadays. Shame on a kid for being racially targeted and shame on those kids for getting their bodies in the way of kicks and punches too? The guy sounds like a mean bully of a coach and I'd bet there's ton's of other examples. neither of us were defending Bill Peters. What I am saying at least is that Aliu has some responsibilities with his actions too. Imagine if youre in management and one of your employees were listening to the music that Aliu claims he was listening to. Is it appropriate or inappropriate? Ive mentioned already, Bill handled the situation wrong because he is what he is. It doesn't mean that Aliu's action was right either. Just because Bill is wrong, doesn't mean Aliu was right.
Also, I am only speaking about the "music in locker room" incident. Anything else Bill did, its on him and to the other players he did it to.
^ was he being racially targeted though ?
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2019 13:04:45 GMT -6
Let's recount the stories Versteeg had about the "abuse" he took from Q, all verbal, not physical as far as we know. Also the Keenan years that Roenick used to say about the verbal abuse he took from him. But let's face it, todays "culture" is rainbows and unicorns. I don't want to hear they were just kids either. 20 year olds are not children, hell 18 year old go to war and get shot at. If they think what Peters said to them was bad, they should try the military. I would be the a$$hole coach who would bring in baby cribs with bottles of milk and pacifiers and tell the players if they want to have a nap between periods. Sounds like you're good with the racist abuse too then. Rainbows and unicorns.....are you F'n kidding me? I've always been impressed with how easily my old,white,male counterparts always completely absolve themselves and their brethren of any wrongdoing. Yeah kids get shot at when they volunteer for the military but any drill sergeant would get immediately bounced for using the slurs Peters did. I don't know if Aliu requested cribs or pacifiers...…..maybe just the same respect the white kids got. it seems like a large majority of young hockey players list rappers as their favorite artists too...….old,white guys like us don't have to like it but it is what it is. Where did I say I was OK with racism? I have several family members who are from Peru, Mexico, Guatemala and some also are black. We are very close knit. I am Sicilian decent and have been called the N-word of Italians. Water off my back. I ignore morons who talk like that. Also my circle of friends during my running around years included, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans and blacks, irish, as well as other whites. Most of which were former marines. The last company I worked for was owned by a Mexican family and I was called the "Token White Guy", all of which we thought was funny and joked about it for years. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 13:07:15 GMT -6
Neither one of us knows how extreme Aliu's music was to be honest,not all rap is gansta crap and some metal is extreme too but he's just a kid listening to the same music a lot of young white kids do too …...right. The HC could tell him to turn that shit down without throwing the N word around. Assigning equal blame is off base IMO but we do live in an era of "good people on both sides" nowadays. Shame on a kid for being racially targeted and shame on those kids for getting their bodies in the way of kicks and punches too? The guy sounds like a mean bully of a coach and I'd bet there's ton's of other examples. neither of us were defending Bill Peters. What I am saying at least is that Aliu has some responsibilities with his actions too. Imagine if youre in management and one of your employees were listening to the music that Aliu claims he was listening to. Is it appropriate or inappropriate? Ive mentioned already, Bill handled the situation wrong because he is what he is. It doesn't mean that Aliu's action was right either. Just because Bill is wrong, doesn't mean Aliu was right.
Also, I am only speaking about the "music in locker room" incident. Anything else Bill did, its on him and to the other players he did it to.
^ was he being racially targeted though ?
If using the N word on the only black kid in the room isn't racially targeting then what is? A cross burning? A lynching? I'm not at all surprised how many immediately criticized Babcock for what he did but somehow want to put the blame on the player this time...….there's a reason for that. It's not like white kids are playing Christian music in locker rooms these days either,they seem to like the same stuff but then again they're not from Nigeria. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 27, 2019 13:13:03 GMT -6
neither of us were defending Bill Peters. What I am saying at least is that Aliu has some responsibilities with his actions too. Imagine if youre in management and one of your employees were listening to the music that Aliu claims he was listening to. Is it appropriate or inappropriate? Ive mentioned already, Bill handled the situation wrong because he is what he is. It doesn't mean that Aliu's action was right either. Just because Bill is wrong, doesn't mean Aliu was right.
Also, I am only speaking about the "music in locker room" incident. Anything else Bill did, its on him and to the other players he did it to.
^ was he being racially targeted though ?
If using the N word on the only black kid in the room isn't racially targeting then what is? A cross burning? A lynching? I'm not at all surprised how many immediately criticized Babcock for what he did but somehow want to put the blame on the player this time...….there's a reason for that. It's not like white kids are playing Christian music in locker rooms these days either,they seem to like the same stuff but then again they're not from Nigeria. Youre the one who mentioned that none of us knows what music it was. The story says it has the N word in the lyrics. What workplace have you worked in where that is appropriate? If you say that you dont like the ni55a music to a black man, that automatically makes it racial targeting? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 13:25:03 GMT -6
Sounds like you're good with the racist abuse too then. Rainbows and unicorns.....are you F'n kidding me? I've always been impressed with how easily my old,white,male counterparts always completely absolve themselves and their brethren of any wrongdoing. Yeah kids get shot at when they volunteer for the military but any drill sergeant would get immediately bounced for using the slurs Peters did. I don't know if Aliu requested cribs or pacifiers...…..maybe just the same respect the white kids got. it seems like a large majority of young hockey players list rappers as their favorite artists too...….old,white guys like us don't have to like it but it is what it is. Where did I say I was OK with racism? I have several family members who are from Peru, Mexico, Guatemala and some also are black. We are very close knit. I am Sicilian decent and have been called the N-word of Italians. Water off my back. I ignore morons who talk like that. Also my circle of friends during my running around years included, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans and blacks, irish, as well as other whites. Most of which were former marines. The last company I worked for was owned by a Mexican family and I was called the "Token White Guy", all of which we thought was funny and joked about it for years. Comparing overt,racial slurs from a person of authority to unicorns,rainbows,cribs and pacifiers is rationalizing those slurs IMO. Please tell me that a guy like you who's had such a diverse group of friends sees the difference between those friend's good natured,ethnic ribbing and a young player's coach racially brow beating him in front of his all white peers. I know I'm tilting against windmills having this discussion on a hockey message board but I've tilted for years...….decades even. Every single player who's come out against Babcock has been taken at their word for some reason but Aliu is a terrible human being who listens to the same filth the white kids listen to for an all together different reason. |
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Post by irmaks on Nov 27, 2019 13:28:30 GMT -6
I think that thread was much better when we were bashing Stan for everything. 😊
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 13:35:06 GMT -6
If using the N word on the only black kid in the room isn't racially targeting then what is? A cross burning? A lynching? I'm not at all surprised how many immediately criticized Babcock for what he did but somehow want to put the blame on the player this time...….there's a reason for that. It's not like white kids are playing Christian music in locker rooms these days either,they seem to like the same stuff but then again they're not from Nigeria. Youre the one who mentioned that none of us knows what music it was. The story says it has the N word in the lyrics. What workplace have you worked in where that is appropriate? If you say that you dont like the ni55a music to a black man, that automatically makes it racial targeting? YES,using the N word derogatorily on the only black kid on the team on several occasions is racially targeting. If the music bothered Peters then he has to call a meeting and say to the entire team that such language is unacceptable.....end of story. Is the music more tolerable when white kids listen to it,which they do? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2019 13:39:56 GMT -6
I think that thread was much better when we were bashing Stan for everything. 😊 Unfortunately the kid dragged SB in to this and he probably never heard anything about it till now since the kid never said a word till now. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 27, 2019 13:45:13 GMT -6
Youre the one who mentioned that none of us knows what music it was. The story says it has the N word in the lyrics. What workplace have you worked in where that is appropriate? If you say that you dont like the ni55a music to a black man, that automatically makes it racial targeting? YES,using the N word derogatorily on the only black kid on the team on several occasions is racially targeting. If the music bothered Peters then he has to call a meeting and say to the entire team that such language is unacceptable.....end of story. Is the music more tolerable when white kids listen to it,which they do? there has to be a meeting before you can tell someone that N word in music at a workplace is inappropriate? Also, were there reports that the event happened multiple times? If so, then yes thats racially targeting. But reports so far says this is one incident. From what i read, this isnt even the first time Aliu have this kind of music playing. Youre not seriously saying Aliu did nothing inappropriate here? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2019 13:51:46 GMT -6
I think that thread was much better when we were bashing Stan for everything. 😊 Unfortunately the kid dragged SB in to this and he probably never heard anything about it till now since the kid never said a word till now. Babcock's critics didn't say a word about it till now either did they? Why have every one of them been taken at their word around here? If Peters sent a letter to the team's hierarchy demanding Aliu be sent to the ECHL,they were dragged into it then because he was sent to the ECHL. |
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