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Post by angoti on Jan 18, 2023 20:06:30 GMT -6
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Post by angoti on Jan 19, 2023 16:53:54 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jan 19, 2023 17:48:28 GMT -6
You have to "love" these guys like Hradek, always quick to offer their opinion and dumb I might add. Does not want to respect Provorov's beliefs and right away with the personal attacks. Hey ESPN and other media companies just stick to sports and stop with the crazy foolish comments. I watch hockey for the entertainment/skill by these great athletes, not some loser like Hradek to inject his misguided opinion and personal beliefs towards others. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jan 19, 2023 20:58:41 GMT -6
I will let the Mods decide if they want to keep this topic open. If so I will respond tomorrow. Tomorow never comes
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Post by angoti on Jan 20, 2023 20:05:21 GMT -6
Hmmmm …
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Post by angoti on Jan 20, 2023 21:45:00 GMT -6
I would just like to add a little tid bit… Provorov’s Jersey has sold out on the fanatics site… and the NHL shop.. imagine that! .  )) |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 21, 2023 10:48:37 GMT -6
I will let the Mods decide if they want to keep this topic open. If so I will respond tomorrow. Tomorow never comes As long as there aren't any dissenting opinions. |
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Post by angoti on Jan 21, 2023 13:07:30 GMT -6
I will let the Mods decide if they want to keep this topic open. If so I will respond tomorrow. Tomorow never comes As long as there aren't any dissenting opinions. Bob.. this is about Hockey and the NHL.. not to cause anguish, I have no problem with LGBTQ .. absolutely none. I just believe in our rights in America. What’s more offensive is people being coerced/forced into doing something, that’s an empty reason, or forced- if you don’t want to do it and your being mandated to do it. Support should never be forced or it’s indoctrination. The bottom line is… we need more discussion not less.. And this is my personal feelings .. I wear things on my sleeve. I truly welcome any discussion. Ive seen political topics still here in other threads, on another thread I see we can talk about Lenher bankruptcy, this is a rather simple discussion. It’s about the NHL trending moment. All be it a blip in time. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 22, 2023 10:02:14 GMT -6
As long as there aren't any dissenting opinions. Bob.. this is about Hockey and the NHL.. not to cause anguish, I have no problem with LGBTQ .. absolutely none. I just believe in our rights in America. What’s more offensive is people being coerced/forced into doing something, that’s an empty reason, or forced- if you don’t want to do it and your being mandated to do it. Support should never be forced or it’s indoctrination. The bottom line is… we need more discussion not less.. And this is my personal feelings .. I wear things on my sleeve. I truly welcome any discussion. Ive seen political topics still here in other threads, on another thread I see we can talk about Lenher bankruptcy, this is a rather simple discussion. It’s about the NHL trending moment. All be it a blip in time. Was the player asked,let alone "coerced" or "forced" into attending an event or making a public statement in support of this particular 'cause night'? He was obviously not,he was only asked to join his teammates in a 15 minute warm-up in a jersey and w/ a stick in support of this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like he's probably done for every other 'cause night' known to man but couldn't bring himself to do it this PARTICULAR time? He's obviously already indoctrinated. I'll go out on a limb and assume,like me,most if not all of the player's teammates are also baptized Christians who found a way to support this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like they've supported the other dozens of cause nights'. The league started its' inclusion efforts with 'hockey is for everybody' YEARS ago.......the only thing "trending" in this "moment" in time is the pushback against the league's inclusion policies. The player will suffer no career set-back from his views and rightfully so but let me ask you this,could any other player refuse to participate in any other 'cause night' without massive blow-back? How'd it work out for a young QB who took a stand for a cause he believed in a few years back? |
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Post by angoti on Jan 22, 2023 14:05:25 GMT -6
Bob.. this is about Hockey and the NHL.. not to cause anguish, I have no problem with LGBTQ .. absolutely none. I just believe in our rights in America. What’s more offensive is people being coerced/forced into doing something, that’s an empty reason, or forced- if you don’t want to do it and your being mandated to do it. Support should never be forced or it’s indoctrination. The bottom line is… we need more discussion not less.. And this is my personal feelings .. I wear things on my sleeve. I truly welcome any discussion. Ive seen political topics still here in other threads, on another thread I see we can talk about Lenher bankruptcy, this is a rather simple discussion. It’s about the NHL trending moment. All be it a blip in time. Was the player asked,let alone "coerced" or "forced" into attending an event or making a public statement in support of this particular 'cause night'? He was obviously not,he was only asked to join his teammates in a 15 minute warm-up in a jersey and w/ a stick in support of this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like he's probably done for every other 'cause night' known to man but couldn't bring himself to do it this PARTICULAR time? He's obviously already indoctrinated. I'll go out on a limb and assume,like me,most if not all of the player's teammates are also baptized Christians who found a way to support this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like they've supported the other dozens of cause nights'. The league started its' inclusion efforts with 'hockey is for everybody' YEARS ago.......the only thing "trending" in this "moment" in time is the pushback against the league's inclusion policies. The player will suffer no career set-back from his views and rightfully so but let me ask you this,could any other player refuse to participate in any other 'cause night' without massive blow-back? How'd it work out for a young QB who took a stand for a cause he believed in a few years back? I fully understand your point, and thanks for your response BUT, it’s his choice to choose what he wants to be part of, and what he doesn’t “in this county” bottom line. And yes there have been baseball players 5/6 on the Rays who refuse to wear the gay rights patch, much like the NFL players being chastised for “not kneeling”. Regardless of religion or having nothing to do with religion it’s still their right, as far as religion goes I myself am not that religious but who is as a catholic.. )). That said my point is, it’s up to an individual to choose and make his own decision, that’s why the NFL skips the National anthem these days, there’s still players representing their feelings. And that’s the NFL’s decision. Supporting A cause you don't truly believe In, Which is exactly what professional Athletes And other Public Figures are often subject to, And if it turns out that a lot of this is being done is to avoid consequences, and because, It can become mandatory, then that gesture becomes Completely empty. And for these players to be ganged up on by hypocrite media is obnoxious.. most of America is still middle America no matter the politics. I’m all for inclusion the jersey and stick or cause doesn’t bother me one bit.. but as his jersey sold out, I think some of America/Canada totally agreed with him. . “Was the player asked,let alone "coerced" or "forced" into attending an event or making a public statement in support of this particular 'cause night'? He was obviously not,he was only asked to join his teammates in a 15 minute warm-up in a jersey and w/ a stick in support of this PARTICULAR 'cause”… Well in a way yes.. if that jersey and stick where hanging in his locker.. that’s coercion imo, being suggested, this is what “WE” want you to do tonight. But I don’t think he cared or about Maybe consequences, maybe he knew ahead of the game day, doesn’t matter. How'd it work out for a young QB who took a stand for a cause he believed in a few years back? Well that QB did quite well, for himself being GQ’s man of the year and runner for Times man of the year.. did he end up playing another game, no. But has he been given opportunities since yes… but that’s another deeper discussion.. there’s 2 sides to that story.. but he still enjoyed the freedom to kneel as Provorov has the freedom not to pre game skate.. it’s the great thing about America you have choices..maybe everyone will not agree.. but again it’s your choice.. |
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Post by angoti on Jan 22, 2023 14:41:45 GMT -6
.. and what this E.J. Hradek said was completely outta line.. He needs a forced vacation… as the reply’s suggest on twitter. So if you don’t believe in something get out?? ii don’t think I have to elaborate on this ignorant statement.. this is one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard.. there are people who are Americans that are good productive Americans and still haven’t assimilated.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 23, 2023 10:29:40 GMT -6
Was the player asked,let alone "coerced" or "forced" into attending an event or making a public statement in support of this particular 'cause night'? He was obviously not,he was only asked to join his teammates in a 15 minute warm-up in a jersey and w/ a stick in support of this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like he's probably done for every other 'cause night' known to man but couldn't bring himself to do it this PARTICULAR time? He's obviously already indoctrinated. I'll go out on a limb and assume,like me,most if not all of the player's teammates are also baptized Christians who found a way to support this PARTICULAR 'cause night' like they've supported the other dozens of cause nights'. The league started its' inclusion efforts with 'hockey is for everybody' YEARS ago.......the only thing "trending" in this "moment" in time is the pushback against the league's inclusion policies. The player will suffer no career set-back from his views and rightfully so but let me ask you this,could any other player refuse to participate in any other 'cause night' without massive blow-back? How'd it work out for a young QB who took a stand for a cause he believed in a few years back? I fully understand your point, and thanks for your response BUT, it’s his choice to choose what he wants to be part of, and what he doesn’t “in this county” bottom line. And yes there have been baseball players 5/6 on the Rays who refuse to wear the gay rights patch, much like the NFL players being chastised for “not kneeling”. Regardless of religion or having nothing to do with religion it’s still their right, as far as religion goes I myself am not that religious but who is as a catholic.. )). That said my point is, it’s up to an individual to choose and make his own decision, that’s why the NFL skips the National anthem these days, there’s still players representing their feelings. And that’s the NFL’s decision. Supporting A cause you don't truly believe In, Which is exactly what professional Athletes And other Public Figures are often subject to, And if it turns out that a lot of this is being done is to avoid consequences, and because, It can become mandatory, then that gesture becomes Completely empty. And for these players to be ganged up on by hypocrite media is obnoxious.. most of America is still middle America no matter the politics. I’m all for inclusion the jersey and stick or cause doesn’t bother me one bit.. but as his jersey sold out, I think some of America/Canada totally agreed with him. . “Was the player asked,let alone "coerced" or "forced" into attending an event or making a public statement in support of this particular 'cause night'? He was obviously not,he was only asked to join his teammates in a 15 minute warm-up in a jersey and w/ a stick in support of this PARTICULAR 'cause”… Well in a way yes.. if that jersey and stick where hanging in his locker.. that’s coercion imo, being suggested, this is what “WE” want you to do tonight. But I don’t think he cared or about Maybe consequences, maybe he knew ahead of the game day, doesn’t matter. How'd it work out for a young QB who took a stand for a cause he believed in a few years back? Well that QB did quite well, for himself being GQ’s man of the year and runner for Times man of the year.. did he end up playing another game, no. But has he been given opportunities since yes… but that’s another deeper discussion.. there’s 2 sides to that story.. but he still enjoyed the freedom to kneel as Provorov has the freedom not to pre game skate.. it’s the great thing about America you have choices..maybe everyone will not agree.. but again it’s your choice.. Has any other NHL player ever refused to take part in a 'military night',a 'police night',another 'military night',a 'first responder night',another 'military night',a 'this cancer' or 'that cancer night'(I'm a prostrate cancer survivor myself but that's my business)a 'mental health night' or whatever's next on the agenda? Not to my knowledge. Not until this Mongrel blooded/Russian homophobe came along and I'm not at all surprised there're other athletes like him and many more who can't wait to buy his jersey........they should all be proud.......not that kinda proud though! We'll probably see the 'proud boys' wearin' em at their next tiki-torch get together. Hradek is a long time.well respected hockey personality who's been attacked in this thread for holding an opposing viewpoint but "you welcome more discussion"....right? These inclusion efforts have been long accepted with guys like Sopel and other straight hockey players showing open support for the 'community' over a decade ago,it's the push-'back against these accepted inclusion efforts that are recent and somehow acceptable again. Hell,even 'Rue Paul' was a popular,non-threatening celebrity not long ago and his 'Rue Paul's Drag show' was a highly rated TV program. Can't say I caught it but the current push-back demands he's a Vilain that grooms kids now.....WTF! Colin Kaepernick was black-balled out of a profession he trained his entire life for over a stand he took on an issue that was important to him(life or death kind of important)but the Russian will see nothing of the kind........this is a false equivalency. Any hockey personality who disagrees with the Russian's anti-gay stance is a hypocrite or obnoxious because they feel others deserve the same rights and respect you or I do? I never start these 'live wire' threads or discussions and I've stayed out of a few of the others like you calling a situation where a young female,hockey player getting a concussion like all the big,tough men do too a 'woke' situation. I'm not for women competing with men in contact sports but if that young woman had the aspiration and the organization saw fit to give her a chance,who am I to judge? I'll leave that to you. Aren't there other places to post your social/political views...........this place wasn't gonna go that route when it started. |
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Post by angoti on Jan 23, 2023 13:29:19 GMT -6
Bob,
“Not until this Mongrel blooded/Russian homophobe came along and I'm not at all surprised there're other athletes like him and many more who can't wait to buy his jersey........they should all be proud.......not that kinda proud though! We'll probably see the 'proud boys' wearin' em at their next tiki-torch get together.”
This is about your freedoms in this country. With all do respect, I’ll disagree, to call someone a homophobe and a mongrel-Russian because he simply disagrees with a particular cause and lives by his own convictions, and the professional way he handled the situation, I don’t see him being a homophobe or Mongrel. And if a player from USA/Canada doesn’t want to support “ANY” cause….. “it’s his choice”.. and should accept the consequences. We shouldn’t live by what others do or think or expect you to do .. or believe in, isn’t that the wonderful thing about America. And I could care less about the proud boys…
And As you’re talking about the proud boys, as you brought them up. haven’t you seen the latest destruction in Atlanta from “Antifa”. We don’t need any of these groups.. but don’t leave them out. They destroyed plenty of cities in this country… over a 1 1/2.
And to elaborate more on things in which I didn’t want to get into.. there are “some” grammar schools indoctrinating students.. on many things, they shouldn’t be, it’s not their job. And to think, what has happen to a generation of students. With a 1 1/2 of not being educated with reading, math and science, And that’s fact. Wasting time on bullshit.. college/university.. has already taken over free thought.
Look I have no problem with LGBQT it’s 2023.. it’s neither here or there, but when it comes to trampling on peoples rights or persecution for not agreeing with the local gentry.. thats where the problem is. And maybe…. Just maybe Bob.. Rue Paul just didn’t get the ratings.
Well I guess we’ll agree to disagree.. one thing I read in a book about people who made to old age regret… was trying to change peoples mind that don’t want to change. not M.O here.. just voicing my opinion
I hope you are well and healthy, I wish you the best of health. I too have a burden to deal with..
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Post by hsbob on Jan 24, 2023 8:33:51 GMT -6
The only burden at the moment is you politicizing this very enjoyable 'SPORTS' message board with your ideology and threads you know will become toxic.
I've had my say and if I continue,I'll be the bad guy as usual..........I have better uses for my time. Maybe check out 'Truth Social'....LOL!
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Post by BigT on Jan 28, 2023 6:58:42 GMT -6
I’m not going to comment on the social aspect of this. If the team knew he felt that way, why not have him not take part in warmups and say he’s a game time decision? This way no one would’ve know and or cared. Now there’s a shitty issue on hand. Shame on the flyers for letting it get to this level!!!
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