poll #2: do we want to make a keeper league?

[vadarx]

vote here on whether we want to start the process of making the league a keeper league! yes means...yes. no means we just keep it the way it is and everyone picks a new team each season.

[vadarx]

we can also hash it out here if the majority say yes, rather than it cluttering up the season thread.

[T-man2010]

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[shooter61]

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[shooter61]

I'm not in favor, as my 2 dots indicate, I think it's something that has to be decided before the league draft,
in other words if we do go that way then we should all start out fresh next year , not keep players from this year

[T-man2010]

Jan 21, 2023 18:50:42 GMT -6 shooter61 said:

I'm not in favor, as my 2 dots indicate, I think it's something that has to be decided before the league draft,
in other words if we do go that way then we should all start out fresh next year , not keep players from this year

I agree we start from next years draft to make a keeper league, limits TBD later.
We also see if we follow the same procedure for what the draft order will be next season.

[jaty84]

I'm for a keeper league. Never tried before. Starting as of next season, fresh.

[bigbarn27]

It really doesn't matter to me keeper or not so whatever the other 9 decided is fine by me. Shooter does have a good point about when it should start.

[vadarx]

missing some votes in this one here, gents. probably not a huge rush to figure this out unless we are using players from this season (which I would prefer to do if we are doing it), but at the same time it would be a good thing to decide whether we need to go forward with the debate here.

[Nikos]

Just my 2 cents, I think it adds a little more strategy in the next draft with having a roster already to start off with. Thanks for considering it.

[shooter61]

Strategy, I have a hard enough time figuring out what sock to put on my right foot , now you want me to think about this draft,?, but now that i think about it , 3 less players I have to pick next year, lol ,,,,
I don't mind going with a keeper league , if that's the way the vote goes , my only concern , Maybe I pick my team different, thinking about 3 years not just 1, another thing what if we get a couple more suckers ,( no relation to T man) lol. to play from here,

and then theirs, the first pick next year 3 years of the Hawks new rookie, how quick does he go ?

[Nikos]

Feb 20, 2023 21:08:20 GMT -6 shooter61 said:

Strategy, I have a hard enough time figuring out what sock to put on my right foot , now you want me to think about this draft,?, but now that i think about it , 3 less players I have to pick next year, lol ,,,,
I don't mind going with a keeper league , if that's the way the vote goes , my only concern , Maybe I pick my team different, thinking about 3 years not just 1, another thing what if we get a couple more suckers ,( no relation to T man) lol. to play from here,

and then theirs, the first pick next year 3 years of the Hawks new rookie, how quick does he go ?

There is nothing wrong with challenging the mind every once in a while.

[vadarx]

I've thought on this one more and, IMO, the way to go is to keep the league the way it is currently. this will allow everyone to have a chance to have any player in any season, or at least before the draft starts.

imo, if we want to do a keeper league, it would be best to make it a separate league and start from scratch. I know this might turn a few folks off here, having to manage more than one team and all, but I thought this past season was the best one thus far from a competitive standpoint and I'd like to keep it as is going forward.

I am onboard if someone wants to make a separate keeper league and run it or I can set it up and run that one, too.

[Nikos]

Apr 13, 2023 1:26:16 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I've thought on this one more and, IMO, the way to go is to keep the league the way it is currently. this will allow everyone to have a chance to have any player in any season, or at least before the draft starts.

imo, if we want to do a keeper league, it would be best to make it a separate league and start from scratch. I know this might turn a few folks off here, having to manage more than one team and all, but I thought this past season was the best one thus far from a competitive standpoint and I'd like to keep it as is going forward.

I am onboard if someone wants to make a separate keeper league and run it or I can set it up and run that one, too.

First, I appreciate what you did this season as our "commissioner and owner". I have held those roles in other leagues, and it is not always fun, so you should be commended. Count me as one of the folks to be disappointed though. I am not sure why we would have to have two separate leagues. Keeping three guys is not that difficult and it can still be a fun and competitive league IMO.

Essentially you start the draft as round 4. I know you are offering a separate keeper league I just do not think it is necessary. We already know that McDavid will be the #1 pick and the last place team will or should choose him based on the current scoring rules in our league. To me one of the cool things in being a fantasy GM is to continue to build your team and keeping three players and how to draft the rest has some level of excitement and strategy. Think of it as an expansion team, building blocks from year to year.  If that was not the case, we should just the let the computer pick and make it easy for everyone.

Look I am the new guy and respect the other owners and know some might not have the time or interest to try something different and that is ok, I just personally feel a keeper league adds a different element. For one it would be interesting to see who everyone keeps. Sure, McDavid seems obvious, but to you just keep forwards or combination of forwards and dmen, do you keep a goalie? Just going out on a limb I think there might be some surprises who everyone keeps. Two, it allows a GM who has a player that was drafted in the later rounds this year or was traded for or even picked up on waivers and his stock has risen some much that he now would be a top 10 or 20 pick in our draft, or even possibly this GM might have 2 of those guys on his roster now. This allows the GM to be in a more favorable position as he looks to fill out the rest of his team.

Still hope we can do a keeper league, thanks for reading.

[bigbarn27]

Apr 13, 2023 1:26:16 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I've thought on this one more and, IMO, the way to go is to keep the league the way it is currently. this will allow everyone to have a chance to have any player in any season, or at least before the draft starts.

imo, if we want to do a keeper league, it would be best to make it a separate league and start from scratch. I know this might turn a few folks off here, having to manage more than one team and all, but I thought this past season was the best one thus far from a competitive standpoint and I'd like to keep it as is going forward.

I am onboard if someone wants to make a separate keeper league and run it or I can set it up and run that one, too.

Thanks for all the hard work Vad as I said before either way is fine for me dont think Im interested in doing 2 leagues here though. If im needed to make an even number I dont have much of a life so I could do it if needed if that makes any sense

[vadarx]

Apr 13, 2023 10:52:23 GMT -6 Nikos said:

Apr 13, 2023 1:26:16 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I've thought on this one more and, IMO, the way to go is to keep the league the way it is currently. this will allow everyone to have a chance to have any player in any season, or at least before the draft starts.

imo, if we want to do a keeper league, it would be best to make it a separate league and start from scratch. I know this might turn a few folks off here, having to manage more than one team and all, but I thought this past season was the best one thus far from a competitive standpoint and I'd like to keep it as is going forward.

I am onboard if someone wants to make a separate keeper league and run it or I can set it up and run that one, too.

First, I appreciate what you did this season as our "commissioner and owner". I have held those roles in other leagues, and it is not always fun, so you should be commended. Count me as one of the folks to be disappointed though. I am not sure why we would have to have two separate leagues. Keeping three guys is not that difficult and it can still be a fun and competitive league IMO.

Essentially you start the draft as round 4. I know you are offering a separate keeper league I just do not think it is necessary. We already know that McDavid will be the #1 pick and the last place team will or should choose him based on the current scoring rules in our league. To me one of the cool things in being a fantasy GM is to continue to build your team and keeping three players and how to draft the rest has some level of excitement and strategy. Think of it as an expansion team, building blocks from year to year.  If that was not the case, we should just the let the computer pick and make it easy for everyone.

Look I am the new guy and respect the other owners and know some might not have the time or interest to try something different and that is ok, I just personally feel a keeper league adds a different element. For one it would be interesting to see who everyone keeps. Sure, McDavid seems obvious, but to you just keep forwards or combination of forwards and dmen, do you keep a goalie? Just going out on a limb I think there might be some surprises who everyone keeps. Two, it allows a GM who has a player that was drafted in the later rounds this year or was traded for or even picked up on waivers and his stock has risen some much that he now would be a top 10 or 20 pick in our draft, or even possibly this GM might have 2 of those guys on his roster now. This allows the GM to be in a more favorable position as he looks to fill out the rest of his team.

Still hope we can do a keeper league, thanks for reading.

I understand with what you are saying, Nikos. my thought process is that this league is now 3 years in and is now becoming more and more competitive each season. adding keepers adds an element for sure, but is it necessary when the league is humming along now as is?

I think the idea that in any given year you could have any given player is more appealing to everyone involved. now that we've added order of finish to the draft order, it limits that a little, but it doesn't change the idea that if you have a crap season, you will then end up starting the next one with one of the top top players. every year, every team will be different. it also allows for other members here to join in much easier.

I also have a fair amount of questions on transitioning from what it is now to a keeper league. we've already voted on order of finish and decided it was a yes. does that work with starting a different type of league next season or should that all be random to begin with? how many players does everyone get to keep? how many here are that serious about the league to add another layer to it? I've asked about this type of thing (keepers) in these threads since last season and we are still in the same spot with no real consensus and the majority willing to go along with whatever a couple folks decide. that kinda leads me to believe maybe if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

as I said, if there is interest in doing a keeper league here, my proposal is to create a separate league for it. I understand that not everyone is as inclined to have 2 (or 9, in some folks cases 🤪) teams, but I feel like this league is very healthy now and I kinda don't want to tinker with it, at least not now.

now, if everyone else gets on here and says "hey, vadarx, you are an idiot and we all want to do this", well that's a different story.

[shooter61]

hey, vadarx, you are an idiot ,,,, but I agree with what your saying , lol

[vadarx]

Apr 13, 2023 20:54:37 GMT -6 shooter61 said:

hey, vadarx, you are an idiot ,,,, but I agree with what your saying , lol

ya know, after I posted that, I KNEW I was going to get this response. lol.

[jaty84]

Regarding the idea to have two parallel leagues, one keeper, one non-keeper, I won't do two leagues at the same time. I don't have time neither willingness for that. To go forward, I would try the keeper league. Never did before so why not trying something new. If we decide for a non-keeper league in the end, no harm done.

[T-man2010]

[BigT]

Apr 14, 2023 0:13:02 GMT -6 jaty84 said:

Regarding the idea to have two parallel leagues, one keeper, one non-keeper, I won't do two leagues at the same time. I don't have time neither willingness for that. To go forward, I would try the keeper league. Never did before so why not trying something new. If we decide for a non-keeper league in the end, no harm done.

I set my rosters for the week and whatever happens happens. I really don’t have time anymore to look who’s not playing, injured etc. That’s why I don’t like dropping players. Most weeks I don’t do that and the person who has more time will usually win.

I’d rather a keeper league where you pick a team and the only subs are injured guys. Then every year if you suck, you have the chance to get much better with the top picks. I started out last in one I used to be in. I did it on purpose. Got McDavid, Draisaitl, and had Kane, MacKinnon etc to start off with. Due to my strategy. I won like 3 years in a row. Lost the first 4. But it paid off. Then everyone quit because they said I had an unfair advantage. We used to put 50$ down.

Anyways, the day to day stuff is really hard for me, if I forget to do my roster and we’re on one of many tournament weekends. I’m not getting to it. And it’s just not fair to the people playing it serious. If you’re going for the title, and I’m playing your competition, and I don’t do my roster. It just sucks for the people actually trying!!!