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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 12, 2023 19:41:04 GMT -6
If the Islanders win tonight, then it comes down to the Hawks screwed the Penguins for the short term (missing the playoffs) while the Penguins may have screwed the Hawks long term depending on where they end up drafting. rest assured that the Pens are screwed long term, too. they are in the beginning stages of what we are going through the last couple years... 16 straight playoff appearances ended tonight, not that they deserved 17 by any means. oldest team in the league by far, average age 30.12 years. going to be some tough decisions to be made in pittsburg. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 12, 2023 21:01:30 GMT -6
I have never liked the Penguins because they often had players who would always try to injure other players. But, I always thought they were quite competent. Now, it is pretty clear that they are clearly in need of either serious counseling or meds; and perhaps both. I don't hate them for losing. I am just totally amazed that they could be so incompetent and such a bunch of assholes. Maybe they are tired of getting their asses kicked out of the playoffs in the first round after their Cups; and just want to go home at the end of the regular season. Maybe, who knows. But if we hold true the same thing for the current 'hawk roster that they are professionals and that as players, and that "throwing the big game is like porking your sister" (to quote the move "Hot Shots"), then there had to be something seriously wrong with the Pens to lose that game. It could be for the very reasons that you said. On paper though the Pens should have taken the 'hawks or at least not looked like they were lollygagging it like they did last night and all of them deserved to be Boo'ed off thew ice. But going back to what mvr stated, it was indeed the job of KD to ensure that for a tank, the team was bad enough. It kinds has me caught because on paper these guys are bad, but at the same time LR is coaching them quite well and instilling good habits--habits the 'hawks could have used from April 20-17 through the start of this season. Maybe my devil's advocate point was correct and some of the better guys couldn't be moved is correct, or maybe mvr is correct that KD was asking too much for guys like Murph. I think at this point the worst we can do is pick 6th--that is if we win and everyone San Jose and worse loses out, plus we lose in the lottery and drop two slots from 4th worst. Best case scenario is that we lose, everyone else wins, and pick 1-3 depending on the lotto. Bottom line for me is that I have never liked the Pens. So, since the Hawks aren't going to be relevant for the next 6 to 10 years, I should be happy that they ended the season of the Pens by whooping their choking asses. Winning that game ain't gonna make no difference to how well the Hawks do in the next 10 years, so I should be happy that the team I used to like the most kicked the pansy asses of the team I have hated the most and I'll let it stand right there. Adios, Pens and your 16 year playoff streak, thanks to the efforts of the lowly Hawks, who used to be a dynamite franchise but are now in a bad way, not soon to be revived. |
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Post by nighbor on Apr 12, 2023 23:26:08 GMT -6
I have never liked the Penguins because they often had players who would always try to injure other players. But, I always thought they were quite competent. Now, it is pretty clear that they are clearly in need of either serious counseling or meds; and perhaps both. I don't hate them for losing. I am just totally amazed that they could be so incompetent and such a bunch of assholes. Maybe they are tired of getting their asses kicked out of the playoffs in the first round after their Cups; and just want to go home at the end of the regular season. Maybe, who knows. But if we hold true the same thing for the current 'hawk roster that they are professionals and that as players, and that "throwing the big game is like porking your sister" (to quote the move "Hot Shots"), then there had to be something seriously wrong with the Pens to lose that game. It could be for the very reasons that you said. On paper though the Pens should have taken the 'hawks or at least not looked like they were lollygagging it like they did last night and all of them deserved to be Boo'ed off thew ice. But going back to what mvr stated, it was indeed the job of KD to ensure that for a tank, the team was bad enough. It kinds has me caught because on paper these guys are bad, but at the same time LR is coaching them quite well and instilling good habits--habits the 'hawks could have used from April 20-17 through the start of this season. Maybe my devil's advocate point was correct and some of the better guys couldn't be moved is correct, or maybe mvr is correct that KD was asking too much for guys like Murph. I think at this point the worst we can do is pick 6th--that is if we win and everyone San Jose and worse loses out, plus we lose in the lottery and drop two slots from 4th worst. Best case scenario is that we lose, everyone else wins, and pick 1-3 depending on the lotto. What is this fascination with giving away players like Murphy for next to nothing. There is no guarantee that even if Murphy and others were traded that the team would have ended up in 32nd. If I told you at the TDL that in the last five games of the season we would travel to play against two teams fighting for their playoff lives and come away with two fairly easy victories you would have had me locked up in a padded room. Lets stop blaming KD for what he had no control over and be thankful that judging from his first draft he knows what he is doing. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 13, 2023 7:51:04 GMT -6
Maybe, who knows. But if we hold true the same thing for the current 'hawk roster that they are professionals and that as players, and that "throwing the big game is like porking your sister" (to quote the move "Hot Shots"), then there had to be something seriously wrong with the Pens to lose that game. It could be for the very reasons that you said. On paper though the Pens should have taken the 'hawks or at least not looked like they were lollygagging it like they did last night and all of them deserved to be Boo'ed off thew ice. But going back to what mvr stated, it was indeed the job of KD to ensure that for a tank, the team was bad enough. It kinds has me caught because on paper these guys are bad, but at the same time LR is coaching them quite well and instilling good habits--habits the 'hawks could have used from April 20-17 through the start of this season. Maybe my devil's advocate point was correct and some of the better guys couldn't be moved is correct, or maybe mvr is correct that KD was asking too much for guys like Murph. I think at this point the worst we can do is pick 6th--that is if we win and everyone San Jose and worse loses out, plus we lose in the lottery and drop two slots from 4th worst. Best case scenario is that we lose, everyone else wins, and pick 1-3 depending on the lotto. Bottom line for me is that I have never liked the Pens. So, since the Hawks aren't going to be relevant for the next 6 to 10 years, I should be happy that they ended the season of the Pens by whooping their choking asses. Winning that game ain't gonna make no difference to how well the Hawks do in the next 10 years, so I should be happy that the team I used to like the most kicked the pansy asses of the team I have hated the most and I'll let it stand right there. Adios, Pens and your 16 year playoff streak, thanks to the efforts of the lowly Hawks, who used to be a dynamite franchise but are now in a bad way, not soon to be revived. I've never liked them either...especially as a kid in 1992. The definite saving grace of winning was indeed making Crosby cry. Maybe, who knows. But if we hold true the same thing for the current 'hawk roster that they are professionals and that as players, and that "throwing the big game is like porking your sister" (to quote the move "Hot Shots"), then there had to be something seriously wrong with the Pens to lose that game. It could be for the very reasons that you said. On paper though the Pens should have taken the 'hawks or at least not looked like they were lollygagging it like they did last night and all of them deserved to be Boo'ed off thew ice. But going back to what mvr stated, it was indeed the job of KD to ensure that for a tank, the team was bad enough. It kinds has me caught because on paper these guys are bad, but at the same time LR is coaching them quite well and instilling good habits--habits the 'hawks could have used from April 20-17 through the start of this season. Maybe my devil's advocate point was correct and some of the better guys couldn't be moved is correct, or maybe mvr is correct that KD was asking too much for guys like Murph. I think at this point the worst we can do is pick 6th--that is if we win and everyone San Jose and worse loses out, plus we lose in the lottery and drop two slots from 4th worst. Best case scenario is that we lose, everyone else wins, and pick 1-3 depending on the lotto. What is this fascination with giving away players like Murphy for next to nothing. There is no guarantee that even if Murphy and others were traded that the team would have ended up in 32nd. If I told you at the TDL that in the last five games of the season we would travel to play against two teams fighting for their playoff lives and come away with two fairly easy victories you would have had me locked up in a padded room. Lets stop blaming KD for what he had no control over and be thankful that judging from his first draft he knows what he is doing. I'm not disagreeing with you, but contracts like Murphy's have got to go in a rebuilding scenario. We're likely stuck with Seth Jones, but the last thing the 'hawks need at this time is longer term contracts for players who are likely not going to be on the roster when the team is good again, and if they are, it's not likely going to be a key driver-type player, but a support role. That has little to do with what the team has one one the ice but more about positioning the 'hawks better to slot kids in better as time goes on. As I stated in past posts, we don't know the details of what the back-room deals were that never came to fruition. For all we know KD had deals in front of him that would have been acceptable to move Murphy out, and he just got greedy. OR, every deal that he could have made to send him out required the 'hawks to give up a piece that they wouldn't have wanted to part with (i.e., maybe a guy like Allan), or it might have meant taking on another mid-tier-at-best player with a long term contract. We just don't know. I think KD did a decent enough job. At best we finish last. At worst we finish 4th worst. We weren't the only squad tanking out and that has to be tempered with the fact that LR had these guys playing more cohesive than they had since 2015. If this draft is supposed to be as deep as it's rumired, even pulling in a 6th OW pick shouldn't be horrible as long as KD does his homework. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 13, 2023 11:49:53 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along.
Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason.
The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right?
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 13, 2023 12:13:39 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along. Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason. The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right? Everything you wrote is too sensible for an organization in complete disarray and is letting Toews go without getting anything for him. Altho, to be fair, maybe they asked Toews where he would accept a trade to and he told them he didn't want to be traded. I have no knowledge so I am not casting any blame in this Toews fiasco. He deserves a fond farewell for all he did for this franchise. It ain't his fault that the management fucked up the franchise. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 13, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along. Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason. The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right? Everything you wrote is too sensible for an organization in complete disarray and is letting Toews go without getting anything for him. Altho, to be fair, maybe they asked Toews where he would accept a trade to and he told them he didn't want to be traded. I have no knowledge so I am not casting any blame in this Toews fiasco. He deserves a fond farewell for all he did for this franchise. It ain't his fault that the management fucked up the franchise. You can't trade a guy on the IR, so KD couldn't do anything. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 13, 2023 18:39:24 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along. Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason. The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right? In theory, good idea. In practice, that idea fell flat in the past for other guys with more talent than either on them (Toews, Keith, and the like) because "they are true competitors" and "would never willingly give up a chance to play". |
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Post by jacksalmon on Apr 13, 2023 20:06:28 GMT -6
Everything you wrote is too sensible for an organization in complete disarray and is letting Toews go without getting anything for him. Altho, to be fair, maybe they asked Toews where he would accept a trade to and he told them he didn't want to be traded. I have no knowledge so I am not casting any blame in this Toews fiasco. He deserves a fond farewell for all he did for this franchise. It ain't his fault that the management fucked up the franchise. You can't trade a guy on the IR, so KD couldn't do anything. Honestly, I did not know that. However, he should have been traded long before he was put on the IR. But, whatever, they didn't get anything for him in the end and they ain't going nowhere as a francbise in the next 10 years anyway, so it doesn't make any difference. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 13, 2023 20:24:05 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along. Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason. The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right? Everything you wrote is too sensible for an organization in complete disarray and is letting Toews go without getting anything for him. Altho, to be fair, maybe they asked Toews where he would accept a trade to and he told them he didn't want to be traded. I have no knowledge so I am not casting any blame in this Toews fiasco. He deserves a fond farewell for all he did for this franchise. It ain't his fault that the management fucked up the franchise. He might have told em 'fuck off,I'm sick' and it hurt the Lil GM's feelings. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 13, 2023 20:43:28 GMT -6
So nobody can go to S Jones and Murphy(both with contract security)a few weeks back and say 'that shot you blocked last night was a lot worse than we thought......right!' Take the last month off and get rested for fuck's sake. No unheard of,rookie goaltenders that needed a few looks? Tyler Johnson's hurt all the God dammed time........why not now? He's stealin' another 5M next year,I'm sure he'd go along. Is a line or D-pair working well? Beak it up......we gotta see how other guys work there too......right? Play guys out of position. Give the wrong guys too much or too little ice time. Forget it,the HC is looking to win every game he can for some reason. The guys doing the Habs' game last night said the Hawks win against the Pens alone gave them a 20% less chance at the #1 overall........God bless Luke Richardson's hard working,veteran team.......right? In theory, good idea. In practice, that idea fell flat in the past for other guys with more talent than either on them (Toews, Keith, and the like) because "they are true competitors" and "would never willingly give up a chance to play". Apples to oranges scenarios though,what fell flat with the great cup winners was the idea of being a healthy scratch or sitting a few at the end of a season to rest up(falls flat with me too and a mistake by Q back in '17' IMO) and none of their teams ever openly tanked........this team is unashamedly looking to do it two consecutive seasons. I just don't see why veteran D-men like Jones and Murph ,who've played big minutes and took some abuse all year wouldn't welcome an early (IR) summer at their ages and with contract stability well above their pay grades. It would be in the best interest of the team but maybe not the HC's. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 13, 2023 21:02:05 GMT -6
In theory, good idea. In practice, that idea fell flat in the past for other guys with more talent than either on them (Toews, Keith, and the like) because "they are true competitors" and "would never willingly give up a chance to play". Apples to oranges scenarios though,what fell flat with the great cup winners was the idea of being a healthy scratch or sitting a few at the end of a season to rest up(falls flat with me too and a mistake by Q back in '17' IMO) and none of their teams ever openly tanked........this team is unashamedly looking to do it two consecutive seasons. I just don't see why veteran D-men like Jones and Murph ,who've played big minutes and took some abuse all year wouldn't welcome an early (IR) summer at their ages and with contract stability well above their pay grades. It would be in the best interest of the team but maybe not the HC's. I'm thinking they might want to play. Just a hunch, but if they wanted time off, they probably would have been off the ice for the past few games. |
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